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| Started by | CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> |
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| First post | 2024-12-19 20:03 -0500 |
| Last post | 2024-12-25 16:19 -0500 |
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The problem with not owning the software CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2024-12-19 20:03 -0500
Re: The problem with not owning the software "Mr. Man-wai Chang" <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> - 2024-12-21 16:52 +0800
Re: The problem with not owning the software CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2024-12-21 07:26 -0500
Re: The problem with not owning the software "Mr. Man-wai Chang" <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> - 2024-12-23 23:15 +0800
Re: The problem with not owning the software ant@zimage.comANT (Ant) - 2024-12-23 23:24 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software "Mr. Man-wai Chang" <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> - 2024-12-25 11:48 +0800
Re: The problem with not owning the software ant@zimage.comANT (Ant) - 2024-12-25 06:54 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-12-25 20:39 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software "Mr. Man-wai Chang" <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> - 2024-12-27 22:23 +0800
Re: The problem with not owning the software Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-12-28 07:04 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software "Mr. Man-wai Chang" <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> - 2024-12-28 16:53 +0800
Re: The problem with not owning the software rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-12-28 19:34 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software Andrzej Matuch <andrzej@matu.ch> - 2024-12-28 15:07 -0500
Re: The problem with not owning the software Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-12-28 15:12 -0500
Re: The problem with not owning the software Andrzej Matuch <andrzej@matu.ch> - 2024-12-28 17:11 -0500
Re: The problem with not owning the software Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-12-28 17:17 -0500
Re: The problem with not owning the software -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2024-12-29 13:16 -0500
Re: The problem with not owning the software Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-12-29 14:24 -0500
Re: The problem with not owning the software -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2024-12-29 15:39 -0500
Re: The problem with not owning the software Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-12-29 16:06 -0500
Re: The problem with not owning the software Andrzej Matuch <andrzej@matu.ch> - 2024-12-29 17:10 -0500
Re: The problem with not owning the software Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-12-29 17:39 -0500
Re: The problem with not owning the software Andrzej Matuch <andrzej@matu.ch> - 2024-12-29 18:58 -0500
Re: The problem with not owning the software Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-12-29 19:10 -0500
Re: The problem with not owning the software Andrzej Matuch <andrzej@matu.ch> - 2024-12-29 19:21 -0500
Re: The problem with not owning the software Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-12-29 22:55 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-12-29 18:02 -0500
Re: The problem with not owning the software sticks <wolverine01@charter.net> - 2024-12-29 18:35 -0600
Re: The problem with not owning the software Andrzej Matuch <andrzej@matu.ch> - 2024-12-29 19:51 -0500
Re: The problem with not owning the software sticks <wolverine01@charter.net> - 2024-12-29 20:00 -0600
Re: The problem with not owning the software knuttle <keith_nuttle@yahoo.com> - 2024-12-29 22:34 -0500
Re: The problem with not owning the software rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-12-30 03:48 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-12-29 19:55 -0500
Re: The problem with not owning the software sticks <wolverine01@charter.net> - 2024-12-29 20:15 -0600
Re: The problem with not owning the software Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-12-29 21:49 -0500
Re: The problem with not owning the software Jack Sovalot <hee-cawkforme@jack.sovalot> - 2024-12-30 04:06 -0500
Re: The problem with not owning the software Andrzej Matuch <andrzej@matu.ch> - 2024-12-30 08:31 -0500
Re: The problem with not owning the software Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2024-12-30 19:12 -0500
Re: The problem with not owning the software Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-12-31 00:53 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software Andrzej Matuch <andrzej@matu.ch> - 2024-12-30 21:06 -0500
Re: The problem with not owning the software Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2024-12-31 11:01 -0500
Re: The problem with not owning the software Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-12-31 19:00 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2024-12-31 19:52 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-01-01 01:46 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software Andrzej Matuch <andrzej@matu.ch> - 2024-12-30 20:52 -0500
Re: The problem with not owning the software Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-01-01 17:02 -0500
Re: The problem with not owning the software sticks <wolverine01@charter.net> - 2025-01-18 11:54 -0600
Re: The problem with not owning the software -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2024-12-29 18:46 -0500
Re: The problem with not owning the software Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-12-30 04:51 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software Andrzej Matuch <andrzej@matu.ch> - 2024-12-30 09:34 -0500
Re: The problem with not owning the software rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-12-29 00:53 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software Mark Lloyd <not.email@all.invalid> - 2024-12-29 19:42 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-12-29 21:09 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software Mark Lloyd <not.email@all.invalid> - 2024-12-29 19:44 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-12-29 21:05 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2024-12-29 23:14 +0100
Re: The problem with not owning the software rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-12-30 03:57 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2024-12-30 08:25 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2024-12-30 08:24 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software Andrzej Matuch <andrzej@matu.ch> - 2024-12-30 10:09 -0500
Re: The problem with not owning the software rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-12-29 00:32 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software ant@zimage.comANT (Ant) - 2024-12-29 01:43 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-12-28 20:52 -0500
Re: The problem with not owning the software rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-12-29 07:05 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-12-29 06:58 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2024-12-29 21:17 +0100
Re: The problem with not owning the software Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2024-12-29 20:41 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2024-12-29 23:31 +0100
Re: The problem with not owning the software Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2024-12-30 10:56 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2024-12-31 03:24 +0100
Re: The problem with not owning the software Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2024-12-31 13:50 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2024-12-31 13:18 -0500
Re: The problem with not owning the software rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-12-31 19:14 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2025-01-01 07:44 -0500
Re: The problem with not owning the software rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-01-02 00:22 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-01-02 12:09 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-01-02 19:36 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-01-04 02:09 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software Farley Flud <fflud@gnu.rocks> - 2024-12-31 19:25 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software DFS <guhnoo-basher@linux.advocaca> - 2025-01-04 11:46 -0500
Re: The problem with not owning the software "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2024-12-31 20:27 +0100
Re: The problem with not owning the software rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-12-29 21:16 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-12-29 22:57 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2024-12-29 18:50 -0500
Re: The problem with not owning the software "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2024-12-30 02:30 +0100
Re: The problem with not owning the software Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-12-30 04:55 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-12-30 07:05 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2024-12-30 08:24 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-12-31 01:00 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2024-12-31 16:15 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2024-12-29 16:39 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-12-29 21:00 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2024-12-29 19:08 -0500
Re: The problem with not owning the software Char Jackson <none@none.invalid> - 2024-12-29 22:30 -0600
Re: The problem with not owning the software rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-12-30 07:00 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2024-12-30 12:53 -0500
Re: The problem with not owning the software Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-12-30 04:52 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2024-12-30 13:01 -0500
Re: The problem with not owning the software Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-12-31 00:56 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2024-12-30 08:25 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-12-31 00:57 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-01-01 16:45 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-01-01 19:31 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software DFS <guhnoo-basher@linux.advocaca> - 2025-01-01 14:50 -0500
Re: The problem with not owning the software Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-01-01 22:03 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-01-02 00:41 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-01-02 00:33 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-01-02 00:15 -0500
Re: The problem with not owning the software Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-01-02 05:33 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-01-02 12:09 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-01-02 22:03 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-01-04 02:32 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-01-04 04:50 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-01-04 08:52 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-01-05 00:42 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-01-05 01:05 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-01-05 02:59 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software Andrzej Matuch <andrzej@matu.ch> - 2025-01-04 10:01 -0500
Re: The problem with not owning the software DFS <guhnoo-basher@linux.advocaca> - 2025-01-04 10:29 -0500
Re: The problem with not owning the software Andrzej Matuch <andrzej@matu.ch> - 2025-01-04 10:38 -0500
Re: The problem with not owning the software DFS <guhnoo-basher@linux.advocaca> - 2025-01-04 11:45 -0500
Re: The problem with not owning the software Andrzej Matuch <andrzej@matu.ch> - 2025-01-04 12:00 -0500
Re: The problem with not owning the software Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2025-01-04 18:01 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software DFS <guhnoo-basher@linux.advocaca> - 2025-01-04 13:59 -0500
Re: The problem with not owning the software Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2025-01-04 20:45 +0000
The Desktop Environment (was: Re: The problem with not owning the software) vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2025-01-05 03:05 +0000
Re: The Desktop Environment (was: Re: The problem with not owning the software) pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> - 2025-01-05 17:28 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-01-04 20:25 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2025-01-04 15:58 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2025-01-04 11:23 -0500
Re: The problem with not owning the software Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2025-01-04 21:13 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software snipeco.2@gmail.com (Sn!pe) - 2025-01-04 21:50 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-01-05 00:39 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-01-05 00:59 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software snipeco.2@gmail.com (Sn!pe) - 2025-01-05 01:52 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-01-05 03:04 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-01-05 16:07 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-01-06 00:22 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-01-06 08:23 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-01-06 22:47 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-01-07 00:12 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-01-07 02:10 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-01-07 02:31 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-01-07 14:12 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-01-08 02:26 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-01-08 13:28 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-01-08 21:28 +0000
[OT] Re: The problem with not owning the software snipeco.2@gmail.com (Sn!pe) - 2025-01-05 01:50 +0000
Re: [OT] Re: The problem with not owning the software Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-01-05 03:01 +0000
Re: [OT] Re: The problem with not owning the software snipeco.2@gmail.com (Sn!pe) - 2025-01-05 03:25 +0000
Re: [OT] Re: The problem with not owning the software Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-01-05 06:47 +0000
Re: [OT] Re: The problem with not owning the software Andrzej Matuch <andrzej@matu.ch> - 2025-01-05 08:20 -0500
Re: [OT] Re: The problem with not owning the software DFS <guhnoo-basher@linux.advocaca> - 2025-01-08 12:21 -0500
Re: [OT] Re: The problem with not owning the software CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-01-08 14:10 -0500
Re: The problem with not owning the software Andrzej Matuch <andrzej@matu.ch> - 2025-01-04 21:18 -0500
[OT] Re: The problem with not owning the software snipeco.2@gmail.com (Sn!pe) - 2025-01-05 02:34 +0000
Re: [OT] Re: The problem with not owning the software Andrzej Matuch <andrzej@matu.ch> - 2025-01-04 22:08 -0500
Re: [OT] Re: The problem with not owning the software -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2025-01-04 22:34 -0500
Re: [OT] Re: The problem with not owning the software Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2025-01-05 07:19 -0500
Re: [OT] Re: The problem with not owning the software -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2025-01-05 10:39 -0500
Re: [OT] Re: The problem with not owning the software snipeco.2@gmail.com (Sn!pe) - 2025-01-05 03:39 +0000
Re: [OT] Re: The problem with not owning the software Andrzej Matuch <andrzej@matu.ch> - 2025-01-05 08:13 -0500
Re: [OT] Re: The problem with not owning the software chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2025-01-05 08:52 -0600
Re: The problem with not owning the software Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-01-05 16:32 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-01-04 20:53 -0500
Re: The problem with not owning the software Andrzej Matuch <andrzej@matu.ch> - 2024-12-28 21:26 -0500
Re: The problem with not owning the software rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-12-29 06:38 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software Andrzej Matuch <andrzej@matu.ch> - 2024-12-29 07:17 -0500
Re: The problem with not owning the software Graham J <nobody@nowhere.co.uk> - 2024-12-29 13:19 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software Andrzej Matuch <andrzej@matu.ch> - 2024-12-29 08:48 -0500
Re: The problem with not owning the software chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2024-12-29 08:02 -0600
Re: The problem with not owning the software Andrzej Matuch <andrzej@matu.ch> - 2024-12-29 09:08 -0500
Re: The problem with not owning the software Mark Lloyd <not.email@all.invalid> - 2024-12-29 19:32 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software Mark Lloyd <not.email@all.invalid> - 2024-12-29 19:46 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-12-29 20:56 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software Andrzej Matuch <andrzej@matu.ch> - 2024-12-29 17:03 -0500
Re: The problem with not owning the software Physfitfreak <physfitfreak@gmail.com> - 2024-12-31 23:32 -0600
Re: The problem with not owning the software DFS <guhnoo-basher@linux.advocaca> - 2025-01-05 11:05 -0500
Re: The problem with not owning the software Andrzej Matuch <andrzej@matu.ch> - 2025-01-05 13:29 -0500
Re: The problem with not owning the software -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2025-01-05 13:53 -0500
Re: The problem with not owning the software Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2025-01-05 15:08 -0500
Re: The problem with not owning the software Andrzej Matuch <andrzej@matu.ch> - 2025-01-06 10:17 -0500
Re: The problem with not owning the software Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-01-06 10:28 -0500
Re: The problem with not owning the software Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2025-01-06 11:26 -0500
Re: The problem with not owning the software DFS <guhnoo-basher@linux.advocaca> - 2025-01-06 12:34 -0500
Re: The problem with not owning the software Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-01-06 12:40 -0500
Re: The problem with not owning the software Andrzej Matuch <andrzej@matu.ch> - 2025-01-06 14:23 -0500
Re: The problem with not owning the software Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2025-01-06 16:27 -0500
Re: The problem with not owning the software -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2024-12-29 13:21 -0500
Re: The problem with not owning the software Ken Blake <Ken@invalid.news.com> - 2024-12-29 07:41 -0700
Re: The problem with not owning the software DFS <guhnoo-basher@linux.advocaca> - 2024-12-30 19:05 -0500
Re: The problem with not owning the software Andrzej Matuch <andrzej@matu.ch> - 2024-12-30 20:50 -0500
Re: The problem with not owning the software Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-01-02 12:09 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-01-02 22:05 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-01-03 09:09 -0500
Re: The problem with not owning the software rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-01-03 20:33 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> - 2025-01-03 21:00 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-01-03 23:28 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-01-04 21:17 -0500
Re: The problem with not owning the software Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-01-05 02:57 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2025-01-04 22:25 -0500
Re: The problem with not owning the software Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-01-04 02:19 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-01-04 04:49 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-01-05 01:10 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-01-05 02:52 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-01-05 15:55 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-01-06 00:20 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-01-06 08:11 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software DFS <guhnoo-basher@linux.advocaca> - 2025-01-06 16:16 -0500
Re: The problem with not owning the software Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-01-06 22:46 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2025-01-11 11:36 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software Physfitfreak <physfitfreak@gmail.com> - 2024-12-31 23:20 -0600
Re: The problem with not owning the software DFS <guhnoo-basher@linux.advocaca> - 2024-12-30 18:58 -0500
Re: The problem with not owning the software Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-12-31 00:59 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software DFS <guhnoo-basher@linux.advocaca> - 2024-12-31 02:18 -0500
Re: The problem with not owning the software Andrzej Matuch <andrzej@matu.ch> - 2024-12-31 08:41 -0500
Re: The problem with not owning the software Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2024-12-31 13:08 -0500
Re: The problem with not owning the software DFS <guhnoo-basher@linux.advocaca> - 2024-12-31 13:54 -0500
Re: The problem with not owning the software rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-12-31 19:26 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2025-01-01 07:43 -0500
Re: The problem with not owning the software DFS <guhnoo-basher@linux.advocaca> - 2025-01-04 10:32 -0500
Re: The problem with not owning the software Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-01-05 00:37 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software DFS <guhnoo-basher@linux.advocaca> - 2025-01-04 19:43 -0500
Re: The problem with not owning the software Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-01-05 02:47 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-12-31 18:58 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-12-31 19:25 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software DFS <guhnoo-basher@linux.advocaca> - 2024-12-31 19:32 -0500
Re: The problem with not owning the software rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-01-01 01:43 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software "Mr. Man-wai Chang" <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> - 2024-12-25 11:53 +0800
Re: The problem with not owning the software Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2024-12-30 08:24 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software Andrzej Matuch <andrzej@matu.ch> - 2024-12-30 10:08 -0500
Re: The problem with not owning the software "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2024-12-31 20:32 +0100
Re: The problem with not owning the software Andrzej Matuch <andrzej@matu.ch> - 2024-12-31 21:34 -0500
Re: The problem with not owning the software Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-01-01 16:47 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-01-01 19:29 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-01-02 12:09 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-01-02 21:59 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software Andrzej Matuch <andrzej@matu.ch> - 2025-01-02 18:01 -0500
Re: The problem with not owning the software Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2025-01-03 11:26 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software Andrzej Matuch <andrzej@matu.ch> - 2025-01-03 08:55 -0500
Re: The problem with not owning the software Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2025-01-03 14:33 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-01-04 19:32 -0500
Re: The problem with not owning the software Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-01-05 02:46 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2025-01-05 15:46 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-01-06 00:17 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2025-01-06 14:57 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-01-05 02:47 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-01-04 02:14 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-01-04 02:09 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software DFS <guhnoo-basher@linux.advocaca> - 2024-12-30 19:02 -0500
Re: The problem with not owning the software Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2024-12-31 10:10 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software Andrzej Matuch <andrzej@matu.ch> - 2024-12-31 08:50 -0500
Re: The problem with not owning the software DFS <guhnoo-basher@linux.advocaca> - 2024-12-31 12:09 -0500
Re: The problem with not owning the software Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2025-01-04 10:31 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software bad sector <forgetski@_INVALID.net> - 2024-12-25 16:19 -0500
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| From | Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> |
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| Date | 2025-01-05 15:08 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <vleosk$15tc6$9@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #682996 |
-hh wrote this post while blinking in Morse code: > <snip> > > And Canon does provide some support for Linux printer drivers, but as > per their website's language, it is apparently quite limited: > > "Canon currently only provides support for PIXMA products and the Linux > operating system by providing basic drivers in a limited amount of > languages. > > These basic drivers may not encompass the full range of functionalities > for all printer and all-in-one products but they will allow basic > printing and scanning operation. > > Linux drivers are not supplied as part of Canon’s installation CD-ROM > and these are instead made available via our support area. Please select > your product and filter the results based on language and operating system. > > Canon does not offer specific after care support for Linux related > issues beyond the provision of the initial drivers." > > <https://www.canon-europe.com/support/operating-system-information/> I bought a Canoscan LiDE scanner and it worked out of the box with xsane and skanlite. Never needed to find their "drivers". The scanner has copy and other buttons to press, but those are not relevant to getting the job of scanning done. -- I just know I'm a better manager when I have Joe DiMaggio in center field. -- Casey Stengel
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| From | Andrzej Matuch <andrzej@matu.ch> |
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| Date | 2025-01-06 10:17 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <PtSeP.29019$nlJ1.11228@fx41.iad> |
| In reply to | #683015 |
On 2025-01-05 15:08, Chris Ahlstrom wrote: > -hh wrote this post while blinking in Morse code: > >> <snip> >> >> And Canon does provide some support for Linux printer drivers, but as >> per their website's language, it is apparently quite limited: >> >> "Canon currently only provides support for PIXMA products and the Linux >> operating system by providing basic drivers in a limited amount of >> languages. >> >> These basic drivers may not encompass the full range of functionalities >> for all printer and all-in-one products but they will allow basic >> printing and scanning operation. >> >> Linux drivers are not supplied as part of Canon’s installation CD-ROM >> and these are instead made available via our support area. Please select >> your product and filter the results based on language and operating system. >> >> Canon does not offer specific after care support for Linux related >> issues beyond the provision of the initial drivers." >> >> <https://www.canon-europe.com/support/operating-system-information/> > > I bought a Canoscan LiDE scanner and it worked out of the box with > xsane and skanlite. Never needed to find their "drivers". > > The scanner has copy and other buttons to press, but those are not > relevant to getting the job of scanning done. I have a Canon scanner myself here at work. With Windows, I can get it working but it requires a driver to be installed. Windows Update will offer it, but not immediately after you plug it in, for whatever reason. You have to wait for it to offer you the update later, still in Windows Update. Yes, I tried forcing it to check for update and it did not find a driver until I rebooted. In Linux, it works out of the box. -- Andrzej (Andre) Matuch Telegram: @AndrzejMatuch Zephyrus G14 GA401QM on Fedora 41 KDE supporting member
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| From | Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2025-01-06 10:28 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <kctnnjphg01s6g0c83c0b03sskcmu9m5mr@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #683126 |
Andrzej Matuch <andrzej@matu.ch> wrote: >On 2025-01-05 15:08, Chris Ahlstrom wrote: >> >> I bought a Canoscan LiDE scanner and it worked out of the box with >> xsane and skanlite. Never needed to find their "drivers". >> >> The scanner has copy and other buttons to press, but those are not >> relevant to getting the job of scanning done. > >I have a Canon scanner myself here at work. With Windows, I can get it >working but it requires a driver to be installed. Windows Update will >offer it, but not immediately after you plug it in, for whatever reason. >You have to wait for it to offer you the update later, still in Windows >Update. Yes, I tried forcing it to check for update and it did not find >a driver until I rebooted. > >In Linux, it works out of the box. My Epson has Linux support from their downloads, tried to deposit a Christmas check over the Web but a hard crease in the paper made it unreadable, the ATM choked too. Will have to go in person to the bank when the snow melts. -- Joel W. Crump Amendment XIV Section 1. [...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws. Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent. States are liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.
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| From | Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> |
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| Date | 2025-01-06 11:26 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <vlh073$1mj9q$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #683126 |
Andrzej Matuch wrote this post while blinking in Morse code: > On 2025-01-05 15:08, Chris Ahlstrom wrote: >> -hh wrote this post while blinking in Morse code: >> >>> <snip> >>> >>> And Canon does provide some support for Linux printer drivers, but as >>> per their website's language, it is apparently quite limited: >>> >>> "Canon currently only provides support for PIXMA products and the Linux >>> operating system by providing basic drivers in a limited amount of >>> languages. >>> >>> These basic drivers may not encompass the full range of functionalities >>> for all printer and all-in-one products but they will allow basic >>> printing and scanning operation. >>> >>> Linux drivers are not supplied as part of Canon’s installation CD-ROM >>> and these are instead made available via our support area. Please select >>> your product and filter the results based on language and operating system. >>> >>> Canon does not offer specific after care support for Linux related >>> issues beyond the provision of the initial drivers." >>> >>> <https://www.canon-europe.com/support/operating-system-information/> >> >> I bought a Canoscan LiDE scanner and it worked out of the box with >> xsane and skanlite. Never needed to find their "drivers". >> >> The scanner has copy and other buttons to press, but those are not >> relevant to getting the job of scanning done. > > I have a Canon scanner myself here at work. With Windows, I can get it > working but it requires a driver to be installed. Windows Update will > offer it, but not immediately after you plug it in, for whatever reason. > You have to wait for it to offer you the update later, still in Windows > Update. Yes, I tried forcing it to check for update and it did not find > a driver until I rebooted. > > In Linux, it works out of the box. I just noticed in aptitude there's a daemon called scanbd. Might be "fun" to look into it at some point. -- There is hopeful symbolism in the fact that flags do not wave in a vacuum. -- Arthur C. Clarke
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| From | DFS <guhnoo-basher@linux.advocaca> |
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| Date | 2025-01-06 12:34 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <vlh46p$1nbhc$2@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #683126 |
On 1/6/2025 10:17 AM, Andrzej Matuch wrote: > I have a Canon scanner myself here at work. With Windows, I can get it > working but it requires a driver to be installed. Windows Update will > offer it, but not immediately after you plug it in, for whatever reason. > You have to wait for it to offer you the update later, still in Windows > Update. Yes, I tried forcing it to check for update and it did not find > a driver until I rebooted. > > In Linux, it works out of the box. A screenshot of the scanner options/properties under Windows vs under Linux is usually good for a laugh.
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| From | Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2025-01-06 12:40 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <n65onjpngdiep41lumluq89bsgafdsuilq@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #683137 |
DFS <guhnoo-basher@linux.advocaca> wrote: >On 1/6/2025 10:17 AM, Andrzej Matuch wrote: > >> I have a Canon scanner myself here at work. With Windows, I can get it >> working but it requires a driver to be installed. Windows Update will >> offer it, but not immediately after you plug it in, for whatever reason. >> You have to wait for it to offer you the update later, still in Windows >> Update. Yes, I tried forcing it to check for update and it did not find >> a driver until I rebooted. >> >> In Linux, it works out of the box. > >A screenshot of the scanner options/properties under Windows vs under >Linux is usually good for a laugh. Maybe I just bought a better brand of scanner, 'cause my Epson supports Linux out of the box. Not sure I'd claim the software is identical, but had no issues utilizing it. -- Joel W. Crump Amendment XIV Section 1. [...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws. Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent. States are liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.
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| From | Andrzej Matuch <andrzej@matu.ch> |
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| Date | 2025-01-06 14:23 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <85WeP.16105$q1_9.3471@fx03.iad> |
| In reply to | #683137 |
On 2025-01-06 12:34, DFS wrote: > On 1/6/2025 10:17 AM, Andrzej Matuch wrote: > > >> I have a Canon scanner myself here at work. With Windows, I can get it >> working but it requires a driver to be installed. Windows Update will >> offer it, but not immediately after you plug it in, for whatever >> reason. You have to wait for it to offer you the update later, still >> in Windows Update. Yes, I tried forcing it to check for update and it >> did not find a driver until I rebooted. >> >> In Linux, it works out of the box. > > > A screenshot of the scanner options/properties under Windows vs under > Linux is usually good for a laugh. The scanning application in Windows didn't even allow me to scan in a sequence (like 40 pages of one book inside of the same file). I had to download another application in the Windows Store to get that functionality. Meanwhile, even the default Skanpage gives me that feature out of the box. -- Andrzej (Andre) Matuch Telegram: @AndrzejMatuch Zephyrus G14 GA401QM on Fedora 41 KDE supporting member
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| From | Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> |
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| Date | 2025-01-06 16:27 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <vlhhso$1q4t2$3@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #683167 |
Andrzej Matuch wrote this post while blinking in Morse code:
> On 2025-01-06 12:34, DFS wrote:
>> On 1/6/2025 10:17 AM, Andrzej Matuch wrote:
>>
>>
>>> I have a Canon scanner myself here at work. With Windows, I can get it
>>> working but it requires a driver to be installed. Windows Update will
>>> offer it, but not immediately after you plug it in, for whatever
>>> reason. You have to wait for it to offer you the update later, still
>>> in Windows Update. Yes, I tried forcing it to check for update and it
>>> did not find a driver until I rebooted.
>>>
>>> In Linux, it works out of the box.
>>
>> A screenshot of the scanner options/properties under Windows vs under
>> Linux is usually good for a laugh.
Why no screenshot to buttress the claim?
Depends on the scanner app you're using. Skanlite, easy with a few options,
or xsane, with an insane number of options.
Xsane:
https://www.maths.cam.ac.uk/computing/printing/xsane
> The scanning application in Windows didn't even allow me to scan in a
> sequence (like 40 pages of one book inside of the same file). I had to
> download another application in the Windows Store to get that
> functionality. Meanwhile, even the default Skanpage gives me that
> feature out of the box.
Windows includes basic webcam, scanner, photo software. I don't know why
DFS is so boastful about Windows.
--
There are no manifestos like cannon and musketry.
-- The Duke of Wellington
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| From | -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> |
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| Date | 2024-12-29 13:21 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <vks3us$12a03$3@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #681564 |
On 12/29/24 1:38 AM, rbowman wrote: > On Sat, 28 Dec 2024 21:26:49 -0500, Andrzej Matuch wrote: > >> The only thing I've ever used Office for is essays and the occasional >> presentation. I've said it before: even AbiWord is more than enough for >> me. If I recall correctly, AbiWord had every feature I needed to write >> university essays and I actually became quite loyal to the program >> because it bailed me out when I had no other program to write with. It's >> pretty useless for the advanced Office files we all receive from others, >> but it's spectacular with any new document you might want to produce. >> The bonus is that it's fast as heck in 2024. Hell, it was fast and light >> as heck even in 2002 or whatever year it was. > > Essays in my school days generally involve a pen and 'blue book' for exams > or a cheap manual typewriter in some cases. We are all very quickly dating ourselves to the pre-digital era. > The first word processor I was > exposed to was WordStar that was bundled on a CP/M system, over ten years > later. It was serviceable as a programming editor. Vim was in the future > and vi, prior to improvement, was primitive. For mainframe based, I migrated to JOVE over VI, as it wasn't for programming and JOVE was IMO better suited for business communications. > In later years any documentation I did was with Vim. The process was we > would try to dig up a past document that was sort of like the new > interface. I'd make notes on it, the tech writer would make it pretty, I > would review it, rinse and repeat. Over time I became convinced the > clients seldom read the final product anyway. I'm oversimplifying, but as a broad sweeping statement, I'd say that monospaced fonts are better for writing code, whereas proportional fonts are better for human-based reading of narrative. -hh
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| From | Ken Blake <Ken@invalid.news.com> |
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| Date | 2024-12-29 07:41 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <non2njlqejlhbhce6ph5c5v4k9h1db0vfu@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #681494 |
On Sat, 28 Dec 2024 15:07:39 -0500, Andrzej Matuch <andrzej@matu.ch> wrote: >On 2024-12-28 14:34, rbowman wrote: >> On Sat, 28 Dec 2024 07:04:57 -0000 (UTC), Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote: >> >>> On Fri, 27 Dec 2024 22:23:49 +0800, Mr. Man-wai Chang wrote: >>> >>>> On 26/12/2024 4:39 am, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote: >>>>> >>>>> As a programmer, I like to use powerful and versatile tools. That >>>>> includes the ability to automate workflow. >>>>> >>>>> Tools exist for this purpose, like odfpy for ISO 26300 files, which >>>>> are the native format of LibreOffice. And LibreOffice itself can run >>>>> Python code. >>>> >>>> My programming tasks has never ever needed to automate Office using >>>> VBA. >>> >>> So your needs are fairly simple. That’s nothing to be ashamed of. >> >> You do realize there is a whole world outside of Office? > >Yeah, it sometimes pains me that it is brought up as often as it is as >some sort of must-have piece of software. It suggests that people don't >do much other than open up Word and Excel. Not must-have to me. I never open Word (I greatly prefer WordPerfect) and open Excel very rarely.
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| From | DFS <guhnoo-basher@linux.advocaca> |
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| Date | 2024-12-30 19:05 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <vkvcfv$1rt3s$4@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #681494 |
On 12/28/2024 3:07 PM, Andrzej Matuch wrote: > Yeah, it sometimes pains me that it is brought up as often as it is as > some sort of must-have piece of software. It suggests that people don't > do much other than open up Word and Excel. Why are you whining about MS Office, when Larry Duh brought up LibreOffice first (in this thread)? Besides which, hundreds of millions of people live and die by MS Office at work.
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| From | Andrzej Matuch <andrzej@matu.ch> |
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| Date | 2024-12-30 20:50 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <c5IcP.24114$DPp5.1510@fx01.iad> |
| In reply to | #681802 |
On 2024-12-30 19:05, DFS wrote: > On 12/28/2024 3:07 PM, Andrzej Matuch wrote: > > >> Yeah, it sometimes pains me that it is brought up as often as it is as >> some sort of must-have piece of software. It suggests that people >> don't do much other than open up Word and Excel. > > > Why are you whining about MS Office, when Larry Duh brought up > LibreOffice first (in this thread)? > > > Besides which, hundreds of millions of people live and die by MS Office > at work. And hundreds of millions of people also worship a murderous pedophile but that hasn't managed to sway me. -- Andrzej (Andre) Matuch Telegram: @AndrzejMatuch Zephyrus G14 GA401QM on Fedora 41 KDE supporting member
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| From | Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2025-01-02 12:09 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <vl5vln$3b63u$3@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #681494 |
Andrzej Matuch <andrzej@matu.ch> wrote: > On 2024-12-28 14:34, rbowman wrote: >> On Sat, 28 Dec 2024 07:04:57 -0000 (UTC), Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote: >> >>> On Fri, 27 Dec 2024 22:23:49 +0800, Mr. Man-wai Chang wrote: >>> >>>> On 26/12/2024 4:39 am, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote: >>>>> >>>>> As a programmer, I like to use powerful and versatile tools. That >>>>> includes the ability to automate workflow. >>>>> >>>>> Tools exist for this purpose, like odfpy for ISO 26300 files, which >>>>> are the native format of LibreOffice. And LibreOffice itself can run >>>>> Python code. >>>> >>>> My programming tasks has never ever needed to automate Office using >>>> VBA. >>> >>> So your needs are fairly simple. That’s nothing to be ashamed of. >> >> You do realize there is a whole world outside of Office? > > Yeah, it sometimes pains me that it is brought up as often as it is as > some sort of must-have piece of software. It suggests that people don't > do much other than open up Word and Excel. In the professional world that's pretty accurate. If you include outlook then you've got 95% of people's "productivity".
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| From | Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-01-02 22:05 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <vl72j1$3h9eh$7@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #682249 |
On Thu, 2 Jan 2025 12:09:28 -0000 (UTC), Chris wrote: >> ... suggests that people don't do much other than open up Word and >> Excel. > > In the professional world that's pretty accurate. Doesn’t sound like that adjective “professional” extends to the actual quality of results, then.
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| From | Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-01-03 09:09 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <vl8r30$3u9jq$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #682393 |
On Thu, 1/2/2025 5:05 PM, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote: > On Thu, 2 Jan 2025 12:09:28 -0000 (UTC), Chris wrote: > >>> ... suggests that people don't do much other than open up Word and >>> Excel. >> >> In the professional world that's pretty accurate. > > Doesn’t sound like that adjective “professional” extends to the actual > quality of results, then. > People using Office, there is an amazing range of skills. We make fun of the people, who can barely tie their own shoe laces using computers. But there are also those, who win programming contests, who can run circles around you. Sales people sending materials to me at work, they always sent them in .docx (not PDF) and the documents were always three pages long. You had to wonder why all the documents were three pages long... I bet there is a funny story involved there. We had a senior manager, who could rewrite any procedural language problem you brought to him, in Excel. One of our guys, a masters grad, was using Fortran and Numerical Recipes and had been at that for six weeks, and was having trouble finishing it. The senior manager overheard the conversation, about how hard this was to do in Fortran, he came out of his office, got the details (he's actually a Radio/Microwave engineer) and in *two days* he wrote an Excel spreadsheet following the requirements, and the spreadsheet added datapoints to an electrical waveform plot, as the program calculated them (in real time). I didn't watch this, but someone who got a demo of this, was blown away by it. These are the people we waste in offices, shuffling papers. That's also the kind of person, who could put an AI into an Excel spreadsheet. That would be a perfect problem for our guy. I bet he'd enjoy that. (There was a Tomshardware article about someone releasing an AI demo, which was controlled from Excel, but it used VBA so I couldn't run it in LO.) Portions of Excel, can run on more than one thread, so you can get a slight speedup from your multi-core processor. But it can't use all your cores, so it does not have infinite scaling. As far as I know, the capability is "two core max". It then depends on the characteristics of the spreadsheet (VBA or no VBA maybe), as to whether it will switch to two core mode. Paul
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| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
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| Date | 2025-01-03 20:33 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <ltqvtlFbm03U1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #682529 |
On Fri, 3 Jan 2025 09:09:35 -0500, Paul wrote: > Sales people sending materials to me at work, they always sent them in > .docx (not PDF) and the documents were always three pages long. You had > to wonder why all the documents were three pages long... I bet there is > a funny story involved there. A little paranoid but our FSDs were docx in house but were converted to a read-only PDF when sent to the clients. I'm not sure anyone read them let alone tried to alter them. That fight came later when what we said we were going to provide wasn't what they thought we were going to do.
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| From | pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> |
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| Date | 2025-01-03 21:00 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <vl9j50$2ofr$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #682570 |
On 2025-01-03, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote: > On Fri, 3 Jan 2025 09:09:35 -0500, Paul wrote: > >> Sales people sending materials to me at work, they always sent them in >> .docx (not PDF) and the documents were always three pages long. You had >> to wonder why all the documents were three pages long... I bet there is >> a funny story involved there. > > A little paranoid but our FSDs were docx in house but were converted to a > read-only PDF when sent to the clients. I'm not sure anyone read them let > alone tried to alter them. That fight came later when what we said we were > going to provide wasn't what they thought we were going to do. Everything I have ever had to do regarding lawyers and legal or government documents was requested to be in PDF. I haven't done anything like this in a few years so maybe things have changed. -- pothead "Give a man a fish and you turn him into a Democrat for life" "Teach a man to fish and he might become a self-sufficient conservative Republican" "Don't underestimate Joe's ability to fuck things up," --- Barack H. Obama
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| From | Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-01-03 23:28 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <vl9rq0$484n$6@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #682529 |
On Fri, 3 Jan 2025 09:09:35 -0500, Paul wrote: > People using Office, there is an amazing range of skills. > > We make fun of the people, who can barely tie their own shoe laces using > computers. But there are also those, who win programming contests, who > can run circles around you. Using Excel? I’d go up against a champion Excel user, armed only with Python and Jupyter, and I would likely show them a thing or two.
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| From | Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-01-04 21:17 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <vlcq4b$nh5m$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #682617 |
On Fri, 1/3/2025 6:28 PM, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote: > On Fri, 3 Jan 2025 09:09:35 -0500, Paul wrote: > >> People using Office, there is an amazing range of skills. >> >> We make fun of the people, who can barely tie their own shoe laces using >> computers. But there are also those, who win programming contests, who >> can run circles around you. > > Using Excel? I’d go up against a champion Excel user, armed only with > Python and Jupyter, and I would likely show them a thing or two. > The masters graduate had been working on some sort of behavioral electrical model and doing convolution, and had been at it for six weeks. The senior manager, finished the project in two days and had the program deliver the results as a graph with the electrical waveform in it. And the waveform was updating as the data became available in the spreadsheet. I doubt the objective of the Fortran program, was to draw a graph of the results. It was just to calculate the data points for further post-analysis. One of the reasons we occasionally wrote things in Fortran, was hardware engineers would get together and compare notes, and if they needed to collaborate on programming something, many times Fortran was the only thing they had in common. This happened, because the Universities at the time, taught Fortran. We were the Fortran generation. And we used to laugh about this, the absurdity of "well, we don't have any language other than Fortran, so Fortran it is". At another place I worked, it was PERL. The CAD tools had a few shortcomings, and on some days, if you walked by desks, everyone was coding in PERL to make up for the productivity shortfall of the CAD tool. The funny part, was when one of our engineers won the award with that brand of software, for the "most complex design of the year" using the stuff. The potential customers would think the CAD tool had done the work, when it was something like a hundred individual PERL scripts that managed the design (the PERL updated signal lists on wide buses in the design -- the CAD tool expected you to "click each one and edit it", which is idiotic). Necessity is the mother of invention. The people I worked with, didn't care what they had for tools. If a manager didn't "enable" your productivity, then tough. You'd "find a way". Like one day, I was doing something at work, with a 6MHz PC from the warehouse (in other words, worn out computer from storage). I didn't particularly care how fast it was, as long as the answers kept coming out of the thing. Nobody is going to be curious later, how you got the job done, just that the job was finished. Paul
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| From | Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-01-05 02:57 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <vlcsf3$nnc8$4@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #682887 |
On Sat, 4 Jan 2025 21:17:47 -0500, Paul wrote: > At another place I worked, it was PERL. The CAD tools had a few > shortcomings, and on some days, if you walked by desks, everyone > was coding in PERL to make up for the productivity shortfall of > the CAD tool. The funny part, was when one of our engineers won > the award with that brand of software, for the "most complex design > of the year" using the stuff. The potential customers would think > the CAD tool had done the work, when it was something like a hundred > individual PERL scripts that managed the design (the PERL updated > signal lists on wide buses in the design -- the CAD tool expected > you to "click each one and edit it", which is idiotic). Were your Perl scripts able to access the CAD files directly? Were they in some non-proprietary format? On the one hand, this kind of labour-saving operation is exactly why programmable computers were invented. On the other hand, as you mentioned, too much of the credit tends to go to the name-brand proprietary tool at the most conspicuous point of your workflow, instead of the generalized open-source toolkit operating in the background, that greatly simplified the major part of the work.
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