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| Started by | Fabian Russell <fb@zen.info> |
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| First post | 2016-04-10 13:51 +0000 |
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Only the Best People Use GNU/Linux Fabian Russell <fb@zen.info> - 2016-04-10 13:51 +0000
Re: Only the Best People Use GNU/Linux Omar <omarsayeed@linuxmail.org> - 2016-04-10 09:56 -0400
Re: Only the Best People Use GNU/Linux John Gohde <john.h.gohde@gmail.com> - 2016-04-10 07:08 -0700
Re: Only the Best People Use GNU/Linux Omar <omarsayeed@linuxmail.org> - 2016-04-10 10:10 -0400
Re: Only the Best People Use GNU/Linux DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2016-04-10 22:33 -0400
Is this normal guy problems..about to cry! :( DFS <nospam@dfs.cum> - 2016-04-11 00:24 -0500
Re: Only the Best People Use GNU/Linux Fabian Russell <fb@zen.info> - 2016-04-11 09:24 +0000
Re: Only the Best People Use GNU/Linux DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2016-04-11 12:44 -0400
Re: Only the Best People Use GNU/Linux sbd <sbd.pambu@safe-mail.net> - 2016-04-10 16:11 -0300
Re: Only the Best People Use GNU/Linux DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2016-04-10 14:22 -0400
Re: Only the Best People Use GNU/Linux sbd <sbd.pambu@safe-mail.net> - 2016-04-10 16:14 -0300
Re: Only the Best People Use GNU/Linux Desk Rabbit <me@example.com> - 2016-04-11 11:03 +0100
Re: Only the Best People Use GNU/Linux Fabian Russell <fb@zen.info> - 2016-04-11 10:48 +0000
Re: Only the Best People Use GNU/Linux Desk Rabbit <me@example.com> - 2016-04-11 13:33 +0100
Re: Only the Best People Use GNU/Linux owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2016-04-11 13:14 +0000
Re: Only the Best People Use GNU/Linux Omar <omarsayeed@linuxmail.org> - 2016-04-11 10:01 -0400
Re: Only the Best People Use GNU/Linux owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2016-04-11 14:38 +0000
Re: Only the Best People Use GNU/Linux Desk Rabbit <me@example.com> - 2016-04-11 15:09 +0100
Re: Only the Best People Use GNU/Linux owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2016-04-11 14:34 +0000
Re: Only the Best People Use GNU/Linux Desk Rabbit <me@example.com> - 2016-04-11 16:34 +0100
Re: Only the Best People Use GNU/Linux owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2016-04-11 18:51 +0000
Re: Only the Best People Use GNU/Linux Desk Rabbit <me@example.com> - 2016-04-12 09:20 +0100
Re: Only the Best People Use GNU/Linux owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2016-04-12 08:39 +0000
Re: Only the Best People Use GNU/Linux vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2016-04-12 08:51 +0000
Re: Only the Best People Use GNU/Linux Desk Rabbit <me@example.com> - 2016-04-12 09:56 +0100
Re: Only the Best People Use GNU/Linux Me Sham <osirus47@yahoo.com> - 2016-04-11 07:57 -0700
Re: Only the Best People Use GNU/Linux Omar <omarsayeed@linuxmail.org> - 2016-04-11 11:22 -0400
Re: Only the Best People Use GNU/Linux Desk Rabbit <me@example.com> - 2016-04-11 13:49 +0100
Re: Only the Best People Use GNU/Linux John Gohde <john.h.gohde@gmail.com> - 2016-04-11 09:07 -0700
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| From | owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> |
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| Date | 2016-04-11 18:51 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <hgjd9e803.a@rooftop.invalid> |
| In reply to | #349366 |
Desk Rabbit <me@example.com> wrote: > On 11/04/2016 15:34, owl wrote: >> Desk Rabbit <me@example.com> wrote: >>> On 11/04/2016 14:14, owl wrote: >>>> Desk Rabbit <me@example.com> wrote: >>>>> On 11/04/2016 11:48, Fabian Russell wrote: >>>>>> On Mon, 11 Apr 2016 11:03:32 +0100, Desk Roach wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> https://uit.stanford.edu/service/help/hardwarerec/computers >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha! What a brain-dead moron! >>>>>> >>>>>> That web page is for the rank-and-file office personnel, >>>>>> i.e. the dumb-fuck middle managers and retarded secretaries. >>>>> >>>>> It's under Faculty and Staff which as any schoolboy knows means the >>>>> teachers (Professors) and the admin staff. >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> The REAL research professionals use GNU/Linux only. >>>>> >>>>> Yet you can't actually show one single verifiable example of that beyond >>>>> an open source audio project. >>>>> >>>>> The students don't use Linux Desktop Crapware either, it's Windows and >>>>> Macs all the way. >>>> >>>> .... >>>> >>>>> You are the one desperately flailing around and searching for any small >>>>> crumb of Linux usage. >>>> >>>> https://uit.stanford.edu/service/softwarelic/linux >>> >> >> Snip the truth, because it hurts. >> <quote> >> Linux is an open-source operating system used by many units across >> Stanford. >> </quote> > > Although everything so far including the web site and video evidence has > pointed to the contrary. There might be a few use cases, I'll grant you > that. > >> >>> "On June 1, 2015, University IT's agreement with Red Hat expired, and >>> the centrally managed Red Hat repository (aka Satellite or yum server) >>> is no longer available. View the official announcement for more >>> information." >>> >>> No internal support - you are on your own: >>> >>> "Product Support >>> >>> Debian and Ubuntu Linux >>> >>> Online support may be found through the open source communities, or >>> buying a support contract from a designated professional support service" >>> >>> >>> Yeah, they really believe in Linux....... >>> >> >> Yeah, IT won't have a clue as to how to help with Linux. >> <quote> >> University IT generally works with Debian, and Ubuntu. UIT provides >> local mirrors of these versions of Linux for local Stanford users. >> >> ... >> >> Additional Stanford-specific Software Packages >> >> University IT staff develop a variety of Stanford-specific software >> packages for Linux systems. These include: >> >> filter-syslog >> remctl >> wallet-client > > Three apps. Count 'em. WOW! > >> ... >> >> Add the following to the file '/etc/apt/sources.list': >> deb http://debian.stanford.edu/debian-stanford jessie main >> >> </quote> >> > > And all completely unsupported by internal IT support. You are on your own. > > <quote> > Product Support > > Debian and Ubuntu Linux > > Online support may be found through the open source communities, or > buying a support contract from a designated professional support service > </quote> > > And let's just read that bit again about the most mainstream Linux > server operating system.... > > <quote> > On June 1, 2015, University IT's agreement with Red Hat expired, and the > centrally managed Red Hat repository (aka Satellite or yum server) is no > longer available. View the official announcement for more information. > </quote> > Somebody finally clued management in that they didn't need to waste their money on a "support contract" for their Linux users. And I can guarantee you that IT would far rather help one of their Linux users who might be having trouble with something than to face the malware grind in Windoze land, so this "talk to debian for support" is complete bullshit. > And let's also not forget that the main campus email is Office 365 and > Exchange server, not some half baked Linux solution. Did you have a link to that? I didn't see it.
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| From | Desk Rabbit <me@example.com> |
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| Date | 2016-04-12 09:20 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <neiaum$9tn$1@deskrabbit.motzarella.org> |
| In reply to | #349394 |
On 11/04/2016 19:51, owl wrote: > Desk Rabbit <me@example.com> wrote: >> On 11/04/2016 15:34, owl wrote: >>> Desk Rabbit <me@example.com> wrote: >>>> On 11/04/2016 14:14, owl wrote: >>>>> Desk Rabbit <me@example.com> wrote: >>>>>> On 11/04/2016 11:48, Fabian Russell wrote: >>>>>>> On Mon, 11 Apr 2016 11:03:32 +0100, Desk Roach wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> https://uit.stanford.edu/service/help/hardwarerec/computers >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha! What a brain-dead moron! >>>>>>> >>>>>>> That web page is for the rank-and-file office personnel, >>>>>>> i.e. the dumb-fuck middle managers and retarded secretaries. >>>>>> >>>>>> It's under Faculty and Staff which as any schoolboy knows means the >>>>>> teachers (Professors) and the admin staff. >>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> The REAL research professionals use GNU/Linux only. >>>>>> >>>>>> Yet you can't actually show one single verifiable example of that beyond >>>>>> an open source audio project. >>>>>> >>>>>> The students don't use Linux Desktop Crapware either, it's Windows and >>>>>> Macs all the way. >>>>> >>>>> .... >>>>> >>>>>> You are the one desperately flailing around and searching for any small >>>>>> crumb of Linux usage. >>>>> >>>>> https://uit.stanford.edu/service/softwarelic/linux >>>> >>> >>> Snip the truth, because it hurts. >>> <quote> >>> Linux is an open-source operating system used by many units across >>> Stanford. >>> </quote> >> >> Although everything so far including the web site and video evidence has >> pointed to the contrary. There might be a few use cases, I'll grant you >> that. >> >>> >>>> "On June 1, 2015, University IT's agreement with Red Hat expired, and >>>> the centrally managed Red Hat repository (aka Satellite or yum server) >>>> is no longer available. View the official announcement for more >>>> information." >>>> >>>> No internal support - you are on your own: >>>> >>>> "Product Support >>>> >>>> Debian and Ubuntu Linux >>>> >>>> Online support may be found through the open source communities, or >>>> buying a support contract from a designated professional support service" >>>> >>>> >>>> Yeah, they really believe in Linux....... >>>> >>> >>> Yeah, IT won't have a clue as to how to help with Linux. >>> <quote> >>> University IT generally works with Debian, and Ubuntu. UIT provides >>> local mirrors of these versions of Linux for local Stanford users. >>> >>> ... >>> >>> Additional Stanford-specific Software Packages >>> >>> University IT staff develop a variety of Stanford-specific software >>> packages for Linux systems. These include: >>> >>> filter-syslog >>> remctl >>> wallet-client >> >> Three apps. Count 'em. WOW! >> >>> ... >>> >>> Add the following to the file '/etc/apt/sources.list': >>> deb http://debian.stanford.edu/debian-stanford jessie main >>> >>> </quote> >>> >> >> And all completely unsupported by internal IT support. You are on your own. >> >> <quote> >> Product Support >> >> Debian and Ubuntu Linux >> >> Online support may be found through the open source communities, or >> buying a support contract from a designated professional support service >> </quote> >> >> And let's just read that bit again about the most mainstream Linux >> server operating system.... >> >> <quote> >> On June 1, 2015, University IT's agreement with Red Hat expired, and the >> centrally managed Red Hat repository (aka Satellite or yum server) is no >> longer available. View the official announcement for more information. >> </quote> >> > > Somebody finally clued management in that they didn't need to waste > their money on a "support contract" for their Linux users. And I > can guarantee you that IT would far rather help one of their Linux > users who might be having trouble with something than to face the > malware grind in Windoze land, so this "talk to debian for support" > is complete bullshit. You got a link to that? If you take a look at this link for students getting started there is no mention of Linux https://uit.stanford.edu/service/computing/students Same for faculty https://uit.stanford.edu/service/computing/faculty When it comes to software, no sign of any Linux support https://uit.stanford.edu/service/ess/ > >> And let's also not forget that the main campus email is Office 365 and >> Exchange server, not some half baked Linux solution. > > Did you have a link to that? I didn't see it. > https://uit.stanford.edu/emailcalendar/ And linked from all the links above for students and faculty.
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| From | owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> |
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| Date | 2016-04-12 08:39 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <ghjdia03.ag42@rooftop.invalid> |
| In reply to | #349478 |
Desk Rabbit <me@example.com> wrote: > On 11/04/2016 19:51, owl wrote: >> Desk Rabbit <me@example.com> wrote: >>> On 11/04/2016 15:34, owl wrote: >>>> Desk Rabbit <me@example.com> wrote: >>>>> On 11/04/2016 14:14, owl wrote: >>>>>> Desk Rabbit <me@example.com> wrote: >>>>>>> On 11/04/2016 11:48, Fabian Russell wrote: >>>>>>>> On Mon, 11 Apr 2016 11:03:32 +0100, Desk Roach wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> https://uit.stanford.edu/service/help/hardwarerec/computers >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha! What a brain-dead moron! >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> That web page is for the rank-and-file office personnel, >>>>>>>> i.e. the dumb-fuck middle managers and retarded secretaries. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> It's under Faculty and Staff which as any schoolboy knows means the >>>>>>> teachers (Professors) and the admin staff. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> The REAL research professionals use GNU/Linux only. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Yet you can't actually show one single verifiable example of that beyond >>>>>>> an open source audio project. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> The students don't use Linux Desktop Crapware either, it's Windows and >>>>>>> Macs all the way. >>>>>> >>>>>> .... >>>>>> >>>>>>> You are the one desperately flailing around and searching for any small >>>>>>> crumb of Linux usage. >>>>>> >>>>>> https://uit.stanford.edu/service/softwarelic/linux >>>>> >>>> >>>> Snip the truth, because it hurts. >>>> <quote> >>>> Linux is an open-source operating system used by many units across >>>> Stanford. >>>> </quote> >>> >>> Although everything so far including the web site and video evidence has >>> pointed to the contrary. There might be a few use cases, I'll grant you >>> that. >>> >>>> >>>>> "On June 1, 2015, University IT's agreement with Red Hat expired, and >>>>> the centrally managed Red Hat repository (aka Satellite or yum server) >>>>> is no longer available. View the official announcement for more >>>>> information." >>>>> >>>>> No internal support - you are on your own: >>>>> >>>>> "Product Support >>>>> >>>>> Debian and Ubuntu Linux >>>>> >>>>> Online support may be found through the open source communities, or >>>>> buying a support contract from a designated professional support service" >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Yeah, they really believe in Linux....... >>>>> >>>> >>>> Yeah, IT won't have a clue as to how to help with Linux. >>>> <quote> >>>> University IT generally works with Debian, and Ubuntu. UIT provides >>>> local mirrors of these versions of Linux for local Stanford users. >>>> >>>> ... >>>> >>>> Additional Stanford-specific Software Packages >>>> >>>> University IT staff develop a variety of Stanford-specific software >>>> packages for Linux systems. These include: >>>> >>>> filter-syslog >>>> remctl >>>> wallet-client >>> >>> Three apps. Count 'em. WOW! >>> >>>> ... >>>> >>>> Add the following to the file '/etc/apt/sources.list': >>>> deb http://debian.stanford.edu/debian-stanford jessie main >>>> >>>> </quote> >>>> >>> >>> And all completely unsupported by internal IT support. You are on your own. >>> >>> <quote> >>> Product Support >>> >>> Debian and Ubuntu Linux >>> >>> Online support may be found through the open source communities, or >>> buying a support contract from a designated professional support service >>> </quote> >>> >>> And let's just read that bit again about the most mainstream Linux >>> server operating system.... >>> >>> <quote> >>> On June 1, 2015, University IT's agreement with Red Hat expired, and the >>> centrally managed Red Hat repository (aka Satellite or yum server) is no >>> longer available. View the official announcement for more information. >>> </quote> >>> >> >> Somebody finally clued management in that they didn't need to waste >> their money on a "support contract" for their Linux users. And I >> can guarantee you that IT would far rather help one of their Linux >> users who might be having trouble with something than to face the >> malware grind in Windoze land, so this "talk to debian for support" >> is complete bullshit. > > You got a link to that? The link is experience. Redhat "support" is a waste of money. They force you to buy it. Nobody needs it. It's only ever bought by managers who are required to have a support contract in place. That's why there are so many CentOS installations. Redhat support squad is like the Maytag repairman. > If you take a look at this link for students > getting started there is no mention of Linux > https://uit.stanford.edu/service/computing/students > > Same for faculty > https://uit.stanford.edu/service/computing/faculty > > When it comes to software, no sign of any Linux support > https://uit.stanford.edu/service/ess/ > >> >>> And let's also not forget that the main campus email is Office 365 and >>> Exchange server, not some half baked Linux solution. >> >> Did you have a link to that? I didn't see it. >> > > https://uit.stanford.edu/emailcalendar/ > > And linked from all the links above for students and faculty. > Do you think that IT does not support all the Linux installations on the University systems? Who does, then? If you bothered to read the links I posted, you would realize that much of the software is licensed *only* for use on University computers. That means IT supports it. It is also stated that their campus is full of Linux. Don't be a moron. This is not even worth arguing about. Once again (read it this time)... https://uit.stanford.edu/service/softwarelic/linux <quote> Linux is an open-source operating system used by many units across Stanford. There are a large variety of "flavors" of Linux; University IT generally works with Debian, and Ubuntu. UIT provides local mirrors of these versions of Linux for local Stanford users. </quote> If "IT generally works with Debian" I'm sure they are capable of helping a professor out when needed. I also know from experience as as a former Linux/Windoze admin that solving Linux problems is *much* less of a headache than solving Windoze problems, so their IT guys are not as likely to be "too busy" to help out a fellow Linux user.
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| From | vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> |
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| Date | 2016-04-12 08:51 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <dn3r8cFtekmU2@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #349480 |
On Tue, 12 Apr 2016 08:39:34 +0000, owl wrote: > Desk Rabbit <me@example.com> wrote: >> On 11/04/2016 19:51, owl wrote: >>> Desk Rabbit <me@example.com> wrote: >>>> On 11/04/2016 15:34, owl wrote: >>>>> Desk Rabbit <me@example.com> wrote: >>>>>> On 11/04/2016 14:14, owl wrote: >>>>>>> Desk Rabbit <me@example.com> wrote: >>>>>>>> On 11/04/2016 11:48, Fabian Russell wrote: >>>>>>>>> On Mon, 11 Apr 2016 11:03:32 +0100, Desk Roach wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> https://uit.stanford.edu/service/help/hardwarerec/computers >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha! What a brain-dead moron! >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> That web page is for the rank-and-file office personnel, i.e. >>>>>>>>> the dumb-fuck middle managers and retarded secretaries. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> It's under Faculty and Staff which as any schoolboy knows means >>>>>>>> the teachers (Professors) and the admin staff. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> The REAL research professionals use GNU/Linux only. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Yet you can't actually show one single verifiable example of that >>>>>>>> beyond an open source audio project. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> The students don't use Linux Desktop Crapware either, it's >>>>>>>> Windows and Macs all the way. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> .... >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> You are the one desperately flailing around and searching for any >>>>>>>> small crumb of Linux usage. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> https://uit.stanford.edu/service/softwarelic/linux >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> Snip the truth, because it hurts. >>>>> <quote> >>>>> Linux is an open-source operating system used by many units across >>>>> Stanford. >>>>> </quote> >>>> >>>> Although everything so far including the web site and video evidence >>>> has pointed to the contrary. There might be a few use cases, I'll >>>> grant you that. >>>> >>>> >>>>>> "On June 1, 2015, University IT's agreement with Red Hat expired, >>>>>> and the centrally managed Red Hat repository (aka Satellite or yum >>>>>> server) is no longer available. View the official announcement for >>>>>> more information." >>>>>> >>>>>> No internal support - you are on your own: >>>>>> >>>>>> "Product Support >>>>>> >>>>>> Debian and Ubuntu Linux >>>>>> >>>>>> Online support may be found through the open source communities, or >>>>>> buying a support contract from a designated professional support >>>>>> service" >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Yeah, they really believe in Linux....... >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> Yeah, IT won't have a clue as to how to help with Linux. >>>>> <quote> >>>>> University IT generally works with Debian, and Ubuntu. UIT provides >>>>> local mirrors of these versions of Linux for local Stanford users. >>>>> >>>>> ... >>>>> >>>>> Additional Stanford-specific Software Packages >>>>> >>>>> University IT staff develop a variety of Stanford-specific software >>>>> packages for Linux systems. These include: >>>>> >>>>> filter-syslog remctl wallet-client >>>> >>>> Three apps. Count 'em. WOW! >>>> >>>>> ... >>>>> >>>>> Add the following to the file '/etc/apt/sources.list': >>>>> deb http://debian.stanford.edu/debian-stanford jessie main >>>>> >>>>> </quote> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> And all completely unsupported by internal IT support. You are on >>>> your own. >>>> >>>> <quote> >>>> Product Support >>>> >>>> Debian and Ubuntu Linux >>>> >>>> Online support may be found through the open source communities, or >>>> buying a support contract from a designated professional support >>>> service </quote> >>>> >>>> And let's just read that bit again about the most mainstream Linux >>>> server operating system.... >>>> >>>> <quote> >>>> On June 1, 2015, University IT's agreement with Red Hat expired, and >>>> the centrally managed Red Hat repository (aka Satellite or yum >>>> server) is no longer available. View the official announcement for >>>> more information. </quote> >>>> >>>> >>> Somebody finally clued management in that they didn't need to waste >>> their money on a "support contract" for their Linux users. And I can >>> guarantee you that IT would far rather help one of their Linux users >>> who might be having trouble with something than to face the malware >>> grind in Windoze land, so this "talk to debian for support" >>> is complete bullshit. >> >> You got a link to that? > > The link is experience. Redhat "support" is a waste of money. > They force you to buy it. Nobody needs it. It's only ever bought by > managers who are required to have a support contract in place. That's > why there are so many CentOS installations. > Redhat support squad is like the Maytag repairman. > > >> If you take a look at this link for students getting started there is >> no mention of Linux https://uit.stanford.edu/service/computing/students >> >> Same for faculty https://uit.stanford.edu/service/computing/faculty >> >> When it comes to software, no sign of any Linux support >> https://uit.stanford.edu/service/ess/ >> >> >>>> And let's also not forget that the main campus email is Office 365 >>>> and Exchange server, not some half baked Linux solution. >>> >>> Did you have a link to that? I didn't see it. >>> >>> >> https://uit.stanford.edu/emailcalendar/ >> >> And linked from all the links above for students and faculty. >> >> > Do you think that IT does not support all the Linux installations on the > University systems? Who does, then? If you bothered to read the links > I posted, you would realize that much of the software is licensed *only* > for use on University computers. That means IT supports it. > It is also stated that their campus is full of Linux. Don't be a moron. > This is not even worth arguing about. > > Once again (read it this time)... > https://uit.stanford.edu/service/softwarelic/linux <quote> > Linux is an open-source operating system used by many units across > Stanford. There are a large variety of "flavors" of Linux; University IT > generally works with Debian, and Ubuntu. UIT provides local mirrors of > these versions of Linux for local Stanford users. > </quote> > > If "IT generally works with Debian" I'm sure they are capable of helping > a professor out when needed. I also know from experience as as a former > Linux/Windoze admin that solving Linux problems is *much* less of a > headache than solving Windoze problems, so their IT guys are not as > likely to be "too busy" to help out a fellow Linux user. Our Linux desktops need nothing like the support of our Windows desktops. On the other hand, there's a lot more Windows desktops around, because we are largely a service company -- and it's kind of tough for one to give tech support to a Windows user without sitting at a Windows desktop oneself. I like the idea of RH being like "the Maytag repairman". Hopefully they can sustain it as a business model for those who truly need it, since CentOS is so danged useful... -- -v Kernel:4.6.0-rc2-sd Desktop:Xfce 4.12.2 Distro:Linux Mint 17.3 Rosa
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| From | Desk Rabbit <me@example.com> |
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| Date | 2016-04-12 09:56 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <neid1p$gfm$1@deskrabbit.motzarella.org> |
| In reply to | #349480 |
On 12/04/2016 09:39, owl wrote: > Desk Rabbit <me@example.com> wrote: >> On 11/04/2016 19:51, owl wrote: >>> Desk Rabbit <me@example.com> wrote: >>>> On 11/04/2016 15:34, owl wrote: >>>>> Desk Rabbit <me@example.com> wrote: >>>>>> On 11/04/2016 14:14, owl wrote: >>>>>>> Desk Rabbit <me@example.com> wrote: >>>>>>>> On 11/04/2016 11:48, Fabian Russell wrote: >>>>>>>>> On Mon, 11 Apr 2016 11:03:32 +0100, Desk Roach wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> https://uit.stanford.edu/service/help/hardwarerec/computers >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha! What a brain-dead moron! >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> That web page is for the rank-and-file office personnel, >>>>>>>>> i.e. the dumb-fuck middle managers and retarded secretaries. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> It's under Faculty and Staff which as any schoolboy knows means the >>>>>>>> teachers (Professors) and the admin staff. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> The REAL research professionals use GNU/Linux only. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Yet you can't actually show one single verifiable example of that beyond >>>>>>>> an open source audio project. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> The students don't use Linux Desktop Crapware either, it's Windows and >>>>>>>> Macs all the way. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> .... >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> You are the one desperately flailing around and searching for any small >>>>>>>> crumb of Linux usage. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> https://uit.stanford.edu/service/softwarelic/linux >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Snip the truth, because it hurts. >>>>> <quote> >>>>> Linux is an open-source operating system used by many units across >>>>> Stanford. >>>>> </quote> >>>> >>>> Although everything so far including the web site and video evidence has >>>> pointed to the contrary. There might be a few use cases, I'll grant you >>>> that. >>>> >>>>> >>>>>> "On June 1, 2015, University IT's agreement with Red Hat expired, and >>>>>> the centrally managed Red Hat repository (aka Satellite or yum server) >>>>>> is no longer available. View the official announcement for more >>>>>> information." >>>>>> >>>>>> No internal support - you are on your own: >>>>>> >>>>>> "Product Support >>>>>> >>>>>> Debian and Ubuntu Linux >>>>>> >>>>>> Online support may be found through the open source communities, or >>>>>> buying a support contract from a designated professional support service" >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Yeah, they really believe in Linux....... >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Yeah, IT won't have a clue as to how to help with Linux. >>>>> <quote> >>>>> University IT generally works with Debian, and Ubuntu. UIT provides >>>>> local mirrors of these versions of Linux for local Stanford users. >>>>> >>>>> ... >>>>> >>>>> Additional Stanford-specific Software Packages >>>>> >>>>> University IT staff develop a variety of Stanford-specific software >>>>> packages for Linux systems. These include: >>>>> >>>>> filter-syslog >>>>> remctl >>>>> wallet-client >>>> >>>> Three apps. Count 'em. WOW! >>>> >>>>> ... >>>>> >>>>> Add the following to the file '/etc/apt/sources.list': >>>>> deb http://debian.stanford.edu/debian-stanford jessie main >>>>> >>>>> </quote> >>>>> >>>> >>>> And all completely unsupported by internal IT support. You are on your own. >>>> >>>> <quote> >>>> Product Support >>>> >>>> Debian and Ubuntu Linux >>>> >>>> Online support may be found through the open source communities, or >>>> buying a support contract from a designated professional support service >>>> </quote> >>>> >>>> And let's just read that bit again about the most mainstream Linux >>>> server operating system.... >>>> >>>> <quote> >>>> On June 1, 2015, University IT's agreement with Red Hat expired, and the >>>> centrally managed Red Hat repository (aka Satellite or yum server) is no >>>> longer available. View the official announcement for more information. >>>> </quote> >>>> >>> >>> Somebody finally clued management in that they didn't need to waste >>> their money on a "support contract" for their Linux users. And I >>> can guarantee you that IT would far rather help one of their Linux >>> users who might be having trouble with something than to face the >>> malware grind in Windoze land, so this "talk to debian for support" >>> is complete bullshit. >> >> You got a link to that? > > The link is experience. Redhat "support" is a waste of money. > They force you to buy it. Nobody needs it. It's only ever > bought by managers who are required to have a support contract > in place. That's why there are so many CentOS installations. > Redhat support squad is like the Maytag repairman. I've said it before and I'll say it again, RedHat is more of a support company than a Linux distributor. Critical systems will require vendor support, clearly Stanford aren't using anything critical or they are not using RedHat - but they don't really say what they are using, the critical email system seems to be running Microsoft products leaving Linux doing a bit of web & database work I'd guess. > > >> If you take a look at this link for students >> getting started there is no mention of Linux >> https://uit.stanford.edu/service/computing/students >> >> Same for faculty >> https://uit.stanford.edu/service/computing/faculty >> >> When it comes to software, no sign of any Linux support >> https://uit.stanford.edu/service/ess/ >> >>> >>>> And let's also not forget that the main campus email is Office 365 and >>>> Exchange server, not some half baked Linux solution. >>> >>> Did you have a link to that? I didn't see it. >>> >> >> https://uit.stanford.edu/emailcalendar/ >> >> And linked from all the links above for students and faculty. >> > > Do you think that IT does not support all the Linux installations on > the University systems? Who does, then? If you bothered to read the > links I posted, you would realize that much of the software is licensed > *only* for use on University computers. That means IT supports it. > It is also stated that their campus is full of Linux. Don't be a moron. > This is not even worth arguing about. > > Once again (read it this time)... > https://uit.stanford.edu/service/softwarelic/linux > <quote> > Linux is an open-source operating system used by many units across > Stanford. There are a large variety of "flavors" of Linux; University > IT generally works with Debian, and Ubuntu. UIT provides local mirrors > of these versions of Linux for local Stanford users. > </quote> > > If "IT generally works with Debian" I'm sure they are capable of > helping a professor out when needed. I also know from experience > as as a former Linux/Windoze admin that solving Linux problems is > *much* less of a headache than solving Windoze problems, so their > IT guys are not as likely to be "too busy" to help out a fellow > Linux user. > If, they support Linux, and it's a big if, their line on support would not read: <quote> Product Support Debian and Ubuntu Linux Online support may be found through the open source communities, or buying a support contract from a designated professional support service Free Support: Debian support Ubuntu support Paid Support: Debian US consultants Ubuntu services </quote> It would at the very least have some pointer to getting support from the campus IT department, as it stands all they say is "Go get free support from the forums or buy support because we don't support it"
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| From | Me Sham <osirus47@yahoo.com> |
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| Date | 2016-04-11 07:57 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <f346ac6e-3086-43e6-a889-1ada3ab9b9d5@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #349346 |
On Monday, April 11, 2016 at 9:09:07 AM UTC-5, Desk Rabbit wrote: > Online support may be found through the open source communities They tell students unfortunate enough to use Linux that they are on their own and direct them to one of the most hostile communities known to exist on the internet.
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| From | Omar <omarsayeed@linuxmail.org> |
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| Date | 2016-04-11 11:22 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <negfa3$433$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #349356 |
On Mon, 11 Apr 2016 07:57:12 -0700 (PDT), Me Sham wrote: > On Monday, April 11, 2016 at 9:09:07 AM UTC-5, Desk Rabbit wrote: >> Online support may be found through the open source communities > > They tell students unfortunate enough to use Linux that they are on > their own and direct them to one of the most hostile communities > known to exist on the internet. The poor lack of Linux penetration into the desktop market is a direct result of the Linux community and it's antics, lies and odd behavior.
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| From | Desk Rabbit <me@example.com> |
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| Date | 2016-04-11 13:49 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <neg6aq$vmr$1@deskrabbit.motzarella.org> |
| In reply to | #349305 |
On 11/04/2016 11:48, Fabian Russell wrote: >Some junk And here's the Stanford Laptop Orchestra (A CCRMA project) playing some of their wailing noises. https://vimeo.com/100624271 Note that they are all using Mac laptops. Not a single bit of Linux in sight. So much for your claim "CCRMA, an internationally renowned sound and music research organization at Stanford, uses GNU/Linux exclusively" Now crawl back down into your basement and play with your command line and pretend you are in the 1980s, I'm sure there must be some more lies and untruths you can come up with to amuse us.
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| From | John Gohde <john.h.gohde@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2016-04-11 09:07 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <bf54cc82-23d8-4345-8994-81572e275be2@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #349319 |
On Monday, April 11, 2016 at 8:49:40 AM UTC-4, Desk Rabbit wrote: > On 11/04/2016 11:48, Fabian Russell wrote: > >Some junk > > And here's the Stanford Laptop Orchestra (A CCRMA project) playing some > of their wailing noises. https://vimeo.com/100624271 No contest ... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N5TEI7hizN4
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