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Re: Only the Best People Use GNU/Linux

From owl <owl@rooftop.invalid>
Newsgroups comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject Re: Only the Best People Use GNU/Linux
Date 2016-04-12 08:39 +0000
Organization O.W.L.
Message-ID <ghjdia03.ag42@rooftop.invalid> (permalink)
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Desk Rabbit <me@example.com> wrote:
> On 11/04/2016 19:51, owl wrote:
>> Desk Rabbit <me@example.com> wrote:
>>> On 11/04/2016 15:34, owl wrote:
>>>> Desk Rabbit <me@example.com> wrote:
>>>>> On 11/04/2016 14:14, owl wrote:
>>>>>> Desk Rabbit <me@example.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> On 11/04/2016 11:48, Fabian Russell wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Mon, 11 Apr 2016 11:03:32 +0100, Desk Roach wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> https://uit.stanford.edu/service/help/hardwarerec/computers
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha!  What a brain-dead moron!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> That web page is for the rank-and-file office personnel,
>>>>>>>> i.e. the dumb-fuck middle managers and retarded secretaries.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It's under Faculty and Staff which as any schoolboy knows means the
>>>>>>> teachers (Professors) and the admin staff.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The REAL research professionals use GNU/Linux only.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Yet you can't actually show one single verifiable example of that beyond
>>>>>>> an open source audio project.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The students don't use Linux Desktop Crapware either, it's Windows and
>>>>>>> Macs all the way.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ....
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> You are the one desperately flailing around and searching for any small
>>>>>>> crumb of Linux usage.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> https://uit.stanford.edu/service/softwarelic/linux
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Snip the truth, because it hurts.
>>>> <quote>
>>>> Linux is an open-source operating system used by many units across
>>>> Stanford.
>>>> </quote>
>>>
>>> Although everything so far including the web site and video evidence has
>>> pointed to the contrary. There might be a few use cases, I'll grant you
>>> that.
>>>
>>>>
>>>>> "On June 1, 2015, University IT's agreement with Red Hat expired, and
>>>>> the centrally managed Red Hat repository (aka Satellite or yum server)
>>>>> is no longer available. View the official announcement for more
>>>>> information."
>>>>>
>>>>> No internal support - you are on your own:
>>>>>
>>>>> "Product Support
>>>>>
>>>>> Debian and Ubuntu Linux
>>>>>
>>>>> Online support may be found through the open source communities, or
>>>>> buying a support contract from a designated professional support service"
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Yeah, they really believe in Linux.......
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Yeah, IT won't have a clue as to how to help with Linux.
>>>> <quote>
>>>> University IT generally works with Debian, and Ubuntu. UIT provides
>>>> local mirrors of these versions of Linux for local Stanford users.
>>>>
>>>> ...
>>>>
>>>> Additional Stanford-specific Software Packages
>>>>
>>>> University IT staff develop a variety of Stanford-specific software
>>>> packages for Linux systems. These include:
>>>>
>>>> filter-syslog
>>>> remctl
>>>> wallet-client
>>>
>>> Three apps. Count 'em. WOW!
>>>
>>>> ...
>>>>
>>>> Add the following to the file '/etc/apt/sources.list':
>>>> deb http://debian.stanford.edu/debian-stanford jessie main
>>>>
>>>> </quote>
>>>>
>>>
>>> And all completely unsupported by internal IT support. You are on your own.
>>>
>>> <quote>
>>> Product Support
>>>
>>> Debian and Ubuntu Linux
>>>
>>> Online support may be found through the open source communities, or
>>> buying a support contract from a designated professional support service
>>> </quote>
>>>
>>> And let's just read that bit again about the most mainstream Linux
>>> server operating system....
>>>
>>> <quote>
>>> On June 1, 2015, University IT's agreement with Red Hat expired, and the
>>> centrally managed Red Hat repository (aka Satellite or yum server) is no
>>> longer available. View the official announcement for more information.
>>> </quote>
>>>
>>
>> Somebody finally clued management in that they didn't need to waste
>> their money on a "support contract" for their Linux users.  And I
>> can guarantee you that IT would far rather help one of their Linux
>> users who might be having trouble with something than to face the
>> malware grind in Windoze land, so this "talk to debian for support"
>> is complete bullshit.
> 
> You got a link to that?

The link is experience.  Redhat "support" is a waste of money.
They force you to buy it.  Nobody needs it.  It's only ever
bought by managers who are required to have a support contract
in place.  That's why there are so many CentOS installations.  
Redhat support squad is like the Maytag repairman.


> If you take a look at this link for students 
> getting started there is no mention of Linux
> https://uit.stanford.edu/service/computing/students
> 
> Same for faculty
> https://uit.stanford.edu/service/computing/faculty
> 
> When it comes to software, no sign of any Linux support
> https://uit.stanford.edu/service/ess/
> 
>>
>>> And let's also not forget that the main campus email is Office 365 and
>>> Exchange server, not some half baked Linux solution.
>>
>> Did you have a link to that?  I didn't see it.
>>
> 
> https://uit.stanford.edu/emailcalendar/
> 
> And linked from all the links above for students and faculty.
> 

Do you think that IT does not support all the Linux installations on
the University systems?  Who does, then?  If you bothered to read the
links I posted, you would realize that much of the software is licensed
*only* for use on University computers.  That means IT supports it.
It is also stated that their campus is full of Linux.  Don't be a moron.
This is not even worth arguing about.

Once again (read it this time)...
https://uit.stanford.edu/service/softwarelic/linux
<quote>
Linux is an open-source operating system used by many units across
Stanford. There are a large variety of "flavors" of Linux; University
IT generally works with Debian, and Ubuntu. UIT provides local mirrors
of these versions of Linux for local Stanford users.
</quote>

If "IT generally works with Debian" I'm sure they are capable of
helping a professor out when needed.  I also know from experience
as as a former Linux/Windoze admin that solving Linux problems is 
*much* less of a headache than solving Windoze problems, so their
IT guys are not as likely to be "too busy" to help out a fellow
Linux user.

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Only the Best People Use GNU/Linux Fabian Russell <fb@zen.info> - 2016-04-10 13:51 +0000
  Re: Only the Best People Use GNU/Linux Omar <omarsayeed@linuxmail.org> - 2016-04-10 09:56 -0400
    Re: Only the Best People Use GNU/Linux John Gohde <john.h.gohde@gmail.com> - 2016-04-10 07:08 -0700
      Re: Only the Best People Use GNU/Linux Omar <omarsayeed@linuxmail.org> - 2016-04-10 10:10 -0400
        Re: Only the Best People Use GNU/Linux DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2016-04-10 22:33 -0400
          Is this normal guy problems..about to cry! :( DFS <nospam@dfs.cum> - 2016-04-11 00:24 -0500
          Re: Only the Best People Use GNU/Linux Fabian Russell <fb@zen.info> - 2016-04-11 09:24 +0000
            Re: Only the Best People Use GNU/Linux DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2016-04-11 12:44 -0400
    Re: Only the Best People Use GNU/Linux sbd <sbd.pambu@safe-mail.net> - 2016-04-10 16:11 -0300
  Re: Only the Best People Use GNU/Linux DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2016-04-10 14:22 -0400
    Re: Only the Best People Use GNU/Linux sbd <sbd.pambu@safe-mail.net> - 2016-04-10 16:14 -0300
  Re: Only the Best People Use GNU/Linux Desk Rabbit <me@example.com> - 2016-04-11 11:03 +0100
    Re: Only the Best People Use GNU/Linux Fabian Russell <fb@zen.info> - 2016-04-11 10:48 +0000
      Re: Only the Best People Use GNU/Linux Desk Rabbit <me@example.com> - 2016-04-11 13:33 +0100
        Re: Only the Best People Use GNU/Linux owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2016-04-11 13:14 +0000
          Re: Only the Best People Use GNU/Linux Omar <omarsayeed@linuxmail.org> - 2016-04-11 10:01 -0400
            Re: Only the Best People Use GNU/Linux owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2016-04-11 14:38 +0000
          Re: Only the Best People Use GNU/Linux Desk Rabbit <me@example.com> - 2016-04-11 15:09 +0100
            Re: Only the Best People Use GNU/Linux owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2016-04-11 14:34 +0000
              Re: Only the Best People Use GNU/Linux Desk Rabbit <me@example.com> - 2016-04-11 16:34 +0100
                Re: Only the Best People Use GNU/Linux owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2016-04-11 18:51 +0000
                Re: Only the Best People Use GNU/Linux Desk Rabbit <me@example.com> - 2016-04-12 09:20 +0100
                Re: Only the Best People Use GNU/Linux owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2016-04-12 08:39 +0000
                Re: Only the Best People Use GNU/Linux vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2016-04-12 08:51 +0000
                Re: Only the Best People Use GNU/Linux Desk Rabbit <me@example.com> - 2016-04-12 09:56 +0100
            Re: Only the Best People Use GNU/Linux Me Sham <osirus47@yahoo.com> - 2016-04-11 07:57 -0700
              Re: Only the Best People Use GNU/Linux Omar <omarsayeed@linuxmail.org> - 2016-04-11 11:22 -0400
      Re: Only the Best People Use GNU/Linux Desk Rabbit <me@example.com> - 2016-04-11 13:49 +0100
        Re: Only the Best People Use GNU/Linux John Gohde <john.h.gohde@gmail.com> - 2016-04-11 09:07 -0700

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