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| From | vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> |
|---|---|
| Newsgroups | comp.os.linux.advocacy |
| Subject | Re: Only the Best People Use GNU/Linux |
| Date | 2016-04-12 08:51 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <dn3r8cFtekmU2@mid.individual.net> (permalink) |
| References | (6 earlier) <ghjdv93.gjieuq@rooftop.invalid> <negg0r$7l6$1@deskrabbit.motzarella.org> <hgjd9e803.a@rooftop.invalid> <neiaum$9tn$1@deskrabbit.motzarella.org> <ghjdia03.ag42@rooftop.invalid> |
On Tue, 12 Apr 2016 08:39:34 +0000, owl wrote: > Desk Rabbit <me@example.com> wrote: >> On 11/04/2016 19:51, owl wrote: >>> Desk Rabbit <me@example.com> wrote: >>>> On 11/04/2016 15:34, owl wrote: >>>>> Desk Rabbit <me@example.com> wrote: >>>>>> On 11/04/2016 14:14, owl wrote: >>>>>>> Desk Rabbit <me@example.com> wrote: >>>>>>>> On 11/04/2016 11:48, Fabian Russell wrote: >>>>>>>>> On Mon, 11 Apr 2016 11:03:32 +0100, Desk Roach wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> https://uit.stanford.edu/service/help/hardwarerec/computers >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha! What a brain-dead moron! >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> That web page is for the rank-and-file office personnel, i.e. >>>>>>>>> the dumb-fuck middle managers and retarded secretaries. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> It's under Faculty and Staff which as any schoolboy knows means >>>>>>>> the teachers (Professors) and the admin staff. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> The REAL research professionals use GNU/Linux only. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Yet you can't actually show one single verifiable example of that >>>>>>>> beyond an open source audio project. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> The students don't use Linux Desktop Crapware either, it's >>>>>>>> Windows and Macs all the way. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> .... >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> You are the one desperately flailing around and searching for any >>>>>>>> small crumb of Linux usage. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> https://uit.stanford.edu/service/softwarelic/linux >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> Snip the truth, because it hurts. >>>>> <quote> >>>>> Linux is an open-source operating system used by many units across >>>>> Stanford. >>>>> </quote> >>>> >>>> Although everything so far including the web site and video evidence >>>> has pointed to the contrary. There might be a few use cases, I'll >>>> grant you that. >>>> >>>> >>>>>> "On June 1, 2015, University IT's agreement with Red Hat expired, >>>>>> and the centrally managed Red Hat repository (aka Satellite or yum >>>>>> server) is no longer available. View the official announcement for >>>>>> more information." >>>>>> >>>>>> No internal support - you are on your own: >>>>>> >>>>>> "Product Support >>>>>> >>>>>> Debian and Ubuntu Linux >>>>>> >>>>>> Online support may be found through the open source communities, or >>>>>> buying a support contract from a designated professional support >>>>>> service" >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Yeah, they really believe in Linux....... >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> Yeah, IT won't have a clue as to how to help with Linux. >>>>> <quote> >>>>> University IT generally works with Debian, and Ubuntu. UIT provides >>>>> local mirrors of these versions of Linux for local Stanford users. >>>>> >>>>> ... >>>>> >>>>> Additional Stanford-specific Software Packages >>>>> >>>>> University IT staff develop a variety of Stanford-specific software >>>>> packages for Linux systems. These include: >>>>> >>>>> filter-syslog remctl wallet-client >>>> >>>> Three apps. Count 'em. WOW! >>>> >>>>> ... >>>>> >>>>> Add the following to the file '/etc/apt/sources.list': >>>>> deb http://debian.stanford.edu/debian-stanford jessie main >>>>> >>>>> </quote> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> And all completely unsupported by internal IT support. You are on >>>> your own. >>>> >>>> <quote> >>>> Product Support >>>> >>>> Debian and Ubuntu Linux >>>> >>>> Online support may be found through the open source communities, or >>>> buying a support contract from a designated professional support >>>> service </quote> >>>> >>>> And let's just read that bit again about the most mainstream Linux >>>> server operating system.... >>>> >>>> <quote> >>>> On June 1, 2015, University IT's agreement with Red Hat expired, and >>>> the centrally managed Red Hat repository (aka Satellite or yum >>>> server) is no longer available. View the official announcement for >>>> more information. </quote> >>>> >>>> >>> Somebody finally clued management in that they didn't need to waste >>> their money on a "support contract" for their Linux users. And I can >>> guarantee you that IT would far rather help one of their Linux users >>> who might be having trouble with something than to face the malware >>> grind in Windoze land, so this "talk to debian for support" >>> is complete bullshit. >> >> You got a link to that? > > The link is experience. Redhat "support" is a waste of money. > They force you to buy it. Nobody needs it. It's only ever bought by > managers who are required to have a support contract in place. That's > why there are so many CentOS installations. > Redhat support squad is like the Maytag repairman. > > >> If you take a look at this link for students getting started there is >> no mention of Linux https://uit.stanford.edu/service/computing/students >> >> Same for faculty https://uit.stanford.edu/service/computing/faculty >> >> When it comes to software, no sign of any Linux support >> https://uit.stanford.edu/service/ess/ >> >> >>>> And let's also not forget that the main campus email is Office 365 >>>> and Exchange server, not some half baked Linux solution. >>> >>> Did you have a link to that? I didn't see it. >>> >>> >> https://uit.stanford.edu/emailcalendar/ >> >> And linked from all the links above for students and faculty. >> >> > Do you think that IT does not support all the Linux installations on the > University systems? Who does, then? If you bothered to read the links > I posted, you would realize that much of the software is licensed *only* > for use on University computers. That means IT supports it. > It is also stated that their campus is full of Linux. Don't be a moron. > This is not even worth arguing about. > > Once again (read it this time)... > https://uit.stanford.edu/service/softwarelic/linux <quote> > Linux is an open-source operating system used by many units across > Stanford. There are a large variety of "flavors" of Linux; University IT > generally works with Debian, and Ubuntu. UIT provides local mirrors of > these versions of Linux for local Stanford users. > </quote> > > If "IT generally works with Debian" I'm sure they are capable of helping > a professor out when needed. I also know from experience as as a former > Linux/Windoze admin that solving Linux problems is *much* less of a > headache than solving Windoze problems, so their IT guys are not as > likely to be "too busy" to help out a fellow Linux user. Our Linux desktops need nothing like the support of our Windows desktops. On the other hand, there's a lot more Windows desktops around, because we are largely a service company -- and it's kind of tough for one to give tech support to a Windows user without sitting at a Windows desktop oneself. I like the idea of RH being like "the Maytag repairman". Hopefully they can sustain it as a business model for those who truly need it, since CentOS is so danged useful... -- -v Kernel:4.6.0-rc2-sd Desktop:Xfce 4.12.2 Distro:Linux Mint 17.3 Rosa
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Only the Best People Use GNU/Linux Fabian Russell <fb@zen.info> - 2016-04-10 13:51 +0000
Re: Only the Best People Use GNU/Linux Omar <omarsayeed@linuxmail.org> - 2016-04-10 09:56 -0400
Re: Only the Best People Use GNU/Linux John Gohde <john.h.gohde@gmail.com> - 2016-04-10 07:08 -0700
Re: Only the Best People Use GNU/Linux Omar <omarsayeed@linuxmail.org> - 2016-04-10 10:10 -0400
Re: Only the Best People Use GNU/Linux DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2016-04-10 22:33 -0400
Is this normal guy problems..about to cry! :( DFS <nospam@dfs.cum> - 2016-04-11 00:24 -0500
Re: Only the Best People Use GNU/Linux Fabian Russell <fb@zen.info> - 2016-04-11 09:24 +0000
Re: Only the Best People Use GNU/Linux DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2016-04-11 12:44 -0400
Re: Only the Best People Use GNU/Linux sbd <sbd.pambu@safe-mail.net> - 2016-04-10 16:11 -0300
Re: Only the Best People Use GNU/Linux DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2016-04-10 14:22 -0400
Re: Only the Best People Use GNU/Linux sbd <sbd.pambu@safe-mail.net> - 2016-04-10 16:14 -0300
Re: Only the Best People Use GNU/Linux Desk Rabbit <me@example.com> - 2016-04-11 11:03 +0100
Re: Only the Best People Use GNU/Linux Fabian Russell <fb@zen.info> - 2016-04-11 10:48 +0000
Re: Only the Best People Use GNU/Linux Desk Rabbit <me@example.com> - 2016-04-11 13:33 +0100
Re: Only the Best People Use GNU/Linux owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2016-04-11 13:14 +0000
Re: Only the Best People Use GNU/Linux Omar <omarsayeed@linuxmail.org> - 2016-04-11 10:01 -0400
Re: Only the Best People Use GNU/Linux owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2016-04-11 14:38 +0000
Re: Only the Best People Use GNU/Linux Desk Rabbit <me@example.com> - 2016-04-11 15:09 +0100
Re: Only the Best People Use GNU/Linux owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2016-04-11 14:34 +0000
Re: Only the Best People Use GNU/Linux Desk Rabbit <me@example.com> - 2016-04-11 16:34 +0100
Re: Only the Best People Use GNU/Linux owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2016-04-11 18:51 +0000
Re: Only the Best People Use GNU/Linux Desk Rabbit <me@example.com> - 2016-04-12 09:20 +0100
Re: Only the Best People Use GNU/Linux owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2016-04-12 08:39 +0000
Re: Only the Best People Use GNU/Linux vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2016-04-12 08:51 +0000
Re: Only the Best People Use GNU/Linux Desk Rabbit <me@example.com> - 2016-04-12 09:56 +0100
Re: Only the Best People Use GNU/Linux Me Sham <osirus47@yahoo.com> - 2016-04-11 07:57 -0700
Re: Only the Best People Use GNU/Linux Omar <omarsayeed@linuxmail.org> - 2016-04-11 11:22 -0400
Re: Only the Best People Use GNU/Linux Desk Rabbit <me@example.com> - 2016-04-11 13:49 +0100
Re: Only the Best People Use GNU/Linux John Gohde <john.h.gohde@gmail.com> - 2016-04-11 09:07 -0700
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