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| First post | 2015-11-15 03:27 +0100 |
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Statistics on 15.11.2015. Melzzzzz <mel@zzzzz.com> - 2015-11-15 03:27 +0100
Re: Statistics on 15.11.2015. Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2015-11-17 10:22 -0800
Re: Statistics on 15.11.2015. Slimer <.m@nsn.s> - 2015-11-17 13:31 -0500
Re: Statistics on 15.11.2015. Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2015-11-17 10:51 -0800
Re: Statistics on 15.11.2015. Slimer <.m@nsn.s> - 2015-11-17 18:37 -0500
Re: Statistics on 15.11.2015. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-11-17 17:00 -0700
Re: Statistics on 15.11.2015. owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2015-11-18 00:29 +0000
Re: Statistics on 15.11.2015. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-11-17 17:40 -0700
Re: Statistics on 15.11.2015. owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2015-11-18 01:22 +0000
Re: Statistics on 15.11.2015. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-11-17 18:35 -0700
Re: Statistics on 15.11.2015. owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2015-11-18 02:54 +0000
Re: Statistics on 15.11.2015. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-11-17 19:59 -0700
Re: Statistics on 15.11.2015. owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2015-11-18 03:27 +0000
Re: Statistics on 15.11.2015. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-11-17 20:35 -0700
Re: Statistics on 15.11.2015. owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2015-11-18 03:52 +0000
Re: Statistics on 15.11.2015. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-11-17 21:09 -0700
Re: Statistics on 15.11.2015. owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2015-11-18 04:57 +0000
Re: Statistics on 15.11.2015. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-11-17 22:33 -0700
Re: Statistics on 15.11.2015. owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2015-11-18 06:28 +0000
Re: Statistics on 15.11.2015. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-11-18 08:49 -0700
Re: Statistics on 15.11.2015. owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2015-11-18 16:37 +0000
Re: Statistics on 15.11.2015. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-11-18 10:30 -0700
Re: Statistics on 15.11.2015. owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2015-11-18 18:07 +0000
Re: Statistics on 15.11.2015. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-11-18 11:18 -0700
Re: Statistics on 15.11.2015. owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2015-11-18 18:29 +0000
Re: Statistics on 15.11.2015. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-11-18 11:40 -0700
Re: Statistics on 15.11.2015. owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2015-11-18 18:54 +0000
Re: Statistics on 15.11.2015. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-11-18 12:09 -0700
Re: Statistics on 15.11.2015. owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2015-11-18 19:18 +0000
Re: Statistics on 15.11.2015. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-11-18 12:31 -0700
Re: Statistics on 15.11.2015. owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2015-11-18 19:41 +0000
Re: Statistics on 15.11.2015. Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2015-11-18 12:14 -0800
Re: Statistics on 15.11.2015. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-11-18 13:26 -0700
Re: Statistics on 15.11.2015. owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2015-11-18 21:10 +0000
Re: Statistics on 15.11.2015. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-11-18 14:20 -0700
Re: Statistics on 15.11.2015. owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2015-11-18 21:26 +0000
Re: Statistics on 15.11.2015. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-11-18 15:18 -0700
Re: Statistics on 15.11.2015. owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2015-11-18 23:37 +0000
Re: Statistics on 15.11.2015. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-11-18 16:41 -0700
Re: Statistics on 15.11.2015. owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2015-11-18 23:51 +0000
Re: Statistics on 15.11.2015. Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2015-11-18 16:06 -0800
Re: Statistics on 15.11.2015. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-11-18 17:13 -0700
Re: Statistics on 15.11.2015. vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2015-11-19 00:01 +0000
Re: Statistics on 15.11.2015. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-11-18 17:11 -0700
Re: Statistics on 15.11.2015. owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2015-11-19 01:06 +0000
Re: Statistics on 15.11.2015. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-11-18 18:18 -0700
Re: Statistics on 15.11.2015. owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2015-11-19 01:27 +0000
Re: Statistics on 15.11.2015. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-11-18 19:19 -0700
Re: Statistics on 15.11.2015. owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2015-11-19 03:15 +0000
Re: Statistics on 15.11.2015. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-11-18 20:32 -0700
Re: Statistics on 15.11.2015. owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2015-11-19 04:07 +0000
Re: Statistics on 15.11.2015. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-11-18 21:31 -0700
Re: Statistics on 15.11.2015. owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2015-11-19 07:43 +0000
Re: Statistics on 15.11.2015. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-11-19 08:31 -0700
Re: Statistics on 15.11.2015. owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2015-11-19 19:12 +0000
Re: Statistics on 15.11.2015. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-11-19 16:06 -0700
Re: Statistics on 15.11.2015. owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2015-11-19 23:12 +0000
Re: Statistics on 15.11.2015. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-11-19 16:19 -0700
Re: Statistics on 15.11.2015. owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2015-11-19 23:53 +0000
Re: Statistics on 15.11.2015. Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2015-11-19 16:04 -0800
Re: Statistics on 15.11.2015. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-11-19 17:07 -0700
Re: Statistics on 15.11.2015. owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2015-11-20 00:28 +0000
Re: Statistics on 15.11.2015. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-11-19 18:56 -0700
Re: Statistics on 15.11.2015. owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2015-11-19 01:04 +0000
Re: Statistics on 15.11.2015. chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2015-11-19 07:56 -0600
Re: Statistics on 15.11.2015. owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2015-11-19 19:52 +0000
Re: Statistics on 15.11.2015. Sandman <mr@sandman.net> - 2015-11-19 08:31 +0000
Re: Statistics on 15.11.2015. Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net> - 2015-11-19 01:51 -0800
Re: Statistics on 15.11.2015. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-11-19 08:33 -0700
Re: Statistics on 15.11.2015. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-11-19 08:15 -0700
Re: Statistics on 15.11.2015. Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2015-11-19 07:46 -0800
Re: Statistics on 15.11.2015. Sandman <mr@sandman.net> - 2015-11-19 08:28 +0000
Re: Statistics on 15.11.2015. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-11-19 08:17 -0700
Re: Statistics on 15.11.2015. Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2015-11-17 22:13 -0800
Re: Statistics on 15.11.2015. Slimer <.m@nsn.s> - 2015-11-18 09:35 -0500
Re: Statistics on 15.11.2015. Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2015-11-18 12:05 -0800
Re: Statistics on 15.11.2015. Slimer <.m@nsn.s> - 2015-11-18 17:13 -0500
Re: Statistics on 15.11.2015. Edward Stansfield <stansfield5REM6@linuxmail.org> - 2015-11-18 17:19 -0500
Re: Statistics on 15.11.2015. Slimer <.m@nsn.s> - 2015-11-18 18:38 -0500
Re: Statistics on 15.11.2015. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-11-18 15:19 -0700
Re: Statistics on 15.11.2015. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-11-17 12:55 -0700
Re: Statistics on 15.11.2015. Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2015-11-17 13:36 -0800
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| From | owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2015-11-18 16:37 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <fhej0q.fap@rooftop.invalid> |
| In reply to | #333502 |
Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote:
> On 11/17/15, 11:28 PM, in article fhe0a.3ra@rooftop.invalid, "owl"
> <owl@rooftop.invalid> wrote:
>
>> Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote:
>>> On 11/17/15, 9:57 PM, in article fhuea93.a3@rooftop.invalid, "owl"
>>> <owl@rooftop.invalid> wrote:
>>>
>>>>> I can read the quote. The question is what is YOUR view? Seems you disagree
>>>>> that the tilde means "the hard drive only", not only as an absolute but as
>>>>> any form of meaningful generalization, statement of a common default, or
>>>>> anything else that would make sense for systems in general (and if so I
>>>>> agree with you!)
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Tilde expansion means exactly what the shell's manpage says it means.
>>>> I don't know what else to tell you.
>>>
>>> Well, a direct answer would be good but you are clearly working hard to
>>> avoid that. It is a game you are playing. No big deal.
>>>
>>
>> No, you are confused. The expansion (if done) is just an expansion to a
>> string. Where that string actually points is not defined. Asking "where
>> it is" is meaningless in a context restricted to the tilde itself and
>> its expansion.
>>
>>> Comes down to you have made it clear you do not think it means "the hard
>>> drive only" nor do you think that is a common default or the like. Fine.
>>>
>>>> Whatever physical or virtual device (or portion thereof) that expansion
>>>> actually points to is outside the scope of the definition. It very well may
>>>> mean "the hard drive only" if for instance /home/snit occupies the entirety
>>>> of
>>>> a hard drive.
>>>
>>> But that is not the norm or the default or anything you have likely ever
>>> encountered.
>>>
>>
>> What do you mean by "the default"?
>>
>>
>>>> What is the point of this question anyway, given that it is a
>>>> question without a real answer?
>>>
>>> The answer is easy: no, it does not mean that and anyone who said so, esp.
>>> in a general sense, would be absurdly wrong and, if they claim to be at all
>>> technically competent, at best it would show a big lacking in their
>>> knowledge if not proof of them being outright liars. :)
>>>
>>
>> Saying "it does not mean that" is just as wrong as saying "it does mean that."
>> The tilde expansion does not address "where it is" at all. And it is not
>> always expanded anyway:
>>
>> anon@lowtide:~/tilde$ ls
>> ~root
>> anon@lowtide:~/tilde$ echo "blah" > ~root/kah
>> bash: /root/kah: Permission denied
>> anon@lowtide:~/tilde$ echo "blah" > '~root'/kah
>> anon@lowtide:~/tilde$ tree
>> .
>>
>> ????????? ~root
>> ????????? kah
>>
>> 1 directory, 1 file
>> anon@lowtide:~/tilde$ cat '~root'/kah
>> blah
>> anon@lowtide:~/tilde$
>
> When I read a tech support article such as this one:
>
> <https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT204215>
> -----
> Find device backups in ~/Library/Application Support/MobileSync/Backup/
> -----
>
> I know EXACTLY which folder they mean (because I know in that context the
> tilde means the user folder). No doubt at all.
>
That's not what you where asking. You were *not* asking what string the
tilde expanded to; you were asking about where it was located *physically*.
("the hard drive only" or whatever it was you said).
> Would you know what folder to go to? If so, how?
>
It is explained in the manpage.
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| From | Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2015-11-18 10:30 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <D27203BB.64875%usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> |
| In reply to | #333516 |
On 11/18/15, 9:37 AM, in article fhej0q.fap@rooftop.invalid, "owl"
<owl@rooftop.invalid> wrote:
>> When I read a tech support article such as this one:
>>
>> <https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT204215>
>> -----
>> Find device backups in ~/Library/Application Support/MobileSync/Backup/
>> -----
>>
>> I know EXACTLY which folder they mean (because I know in that context the
>> tilde means the user folder). No doubt at all.
>
> That's not what you where asking. You were *not* asking what string the
> tilde expanded to; you were asking about where it was located *physically*.
> ("the hard drive only" or whatever it was you said).
1) Do you think the tilde (~) in a path means "the hard drive nly"?
I did not ask where the tilde was located on the hard drive but what you
think it means! And clearly you are unsure.
Me: on seeing that line in a support doc I would know to go to my user
folder, my Library folder, my Application Support folder, etc.
Not even a second of thought needed. Well, I would likely just go directly
there and not traverse the path, but you (maybe) get the idea. A
knowledgeable computer use would. :)
>> Would you know what folder to go to? If so, how?
>
> It is explained in the manpage.
You would need to refer to a manpage! LOL!
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| From | owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2015-11-18 18:07 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <fhje80q.qpr@rooftop.invalid> |
| In reply to | #333524 |
Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote:
> On 11/18/15, 9:37 AM, in article fhej0q.fap@rooftop.invalid, "owl"
> <owl@rooftop.invalid> wrote:
>
>>> When I read a tech support article such as this one:
>>>
>>> <https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT204215>
>>> -----
>>> Find device backups in ~/Library/Application Support/MobileSync/Backup/
>>> -----
>>>
>>> I know EXACTLY which folder they mean (because I know in that context the
>>> tilde means the user folder). No doubt at all.
>>
>> That's not what you where asking. You were *not* asking what string the
>> tilde expanded to; you were asking about where it was located *physically*.
>> ("the hard drive only" or whatever it was you said).
>
> 1) Do you think the tilde (~) in a path means "the hard drive nly"?
>
> I did not ask where the tilde was located on the hard drive but what you
> think it means! And clearly you are unsure.
>
You asked if it means "the hard drive only." That is a physical location.
> Me: on seeing that line in a support doc I would know to go to my user
> folder, my Library folder, my Application Support folder, etc.
>
> Not even a second of thought needed. Well, I would likely just go directly
> there and not traverse the path, but you (maybe) get the idea. A
> knowledgeable computer use would. :)
>
You would be well-advised to give it a second thought.
anon@lowtide:~/usenet$ cat "~/afile"
data
anon@lowtide:~/usenet$ echo "boom" > ~/afile
anon@lowtide:~/usenet$ cat "~/afile"
data
anon@lowtide:~/usenet$ cat ~/afile
boom
anon@lowtide:~/usenet$ ls -l
total 4
drwxr-xr-x 2 anon anon 4096 Nov 18 12:59 ~
anon@lowtide:~/usenet$
>>> Would you know what folder to go to? If so, how?
>>
>> It is explained in the manpage.
>
> You would need to refer to a manpage! LOL!
>
You asked "how" I would know. That's how.
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| From | Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2015-11-18 11:18 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <D2720F11.648AA%usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> |
| In reply to | #333549 |
On 11/18/15, 11:07 AM, in article fhje80q.qpr@rooftop.invalid, "owl"
<owl@rooftop.invalid> wrote:
> Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote:
>> On 11/18/15, 9:37 AM, in article fhej0q.fap@rooftop.invalid, "owl"
>> <owl@rooftop.invalid> wrote:
>>
>>>> When I read a tech support article such as this one:
>>>>
>>>> <https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT204215>
>>>> -----
>>>> Find device backups in ~/Library/Application Support/MobileSync/Backup/
>>>> -----
>>>>
>>>> I know EXACTLY which folder they mean (because I know in that context the
>>>> tilde means the user folder). No doubt at all.
>>>
>>> That's not what you where asking. You were *not* asking what string the
>>> tilde expanded to; you were asking about where it was located *physically*.
>>> ("the hard drive only" or whatever it was you said).
>>
>> 1) Do you think the tilde (~) in a path means "the hard drive only"?
>>
>> I did not ask where the tilde was located on the hard drive but what you
>> think it means! And clearly you are unsure.
>
> You asked if it means "the hard drive only." That is a physical location.
I asked nothing about the physical location of the drive. Could be in the
computer. Could be external. Could be networked. Completely irrelevant.
>> Me: on seeing that line in a support doc I would know to go to my user
>> folder, my Library folder, my Application Support folder, etc.
>>
>> Not even a second of thought needed. Well, I would likely just go directly
>> there and not traverse the path, but you (maybe) get the idea. A
>> knowledgeable computer use would. :)
>
> You would be well-advised to give it a second thought.
Nope. On seeing this: <https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT204215>
-----
Find device backups in ~/Library/Application Support/MobileSync/Backup/
-----
I would know how to get there... and not need a second thought. Thank you
for admitting you would. No shame in not being sure of yourself.
> anon@lowtide:~/usenet$ cat "~/afile"
> data
> anon@lowtide:~/usenet$ echo "boom" > ~/afile
> anon@lowtide:~/usenet$ cat "~/afile"
> data
> anon@lowtide:~/usenet$ cat ~/afile
> boom
> anon@lowtide:~/usenet$ ls -l
> total 4
> drwxr-xr-x 2 anon anon 4096 Nov 18 12:59 ~
> anon@lowtide:~/usenet$
>
>
>>>> Would you know what folder to go to? If so, how?
>>>
>>> It is explained in the manpage.
>>
>> You would need to refer to a manpage! LOL!
>
> You asked "how" I would know. That's how.
Right... where I would know from my own knowledge and experience. I would
not need to go to a manpage to figure out what Apple is talking about here:
<https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT204215>
-----
Find device backups in ~/Library/Application Support/MobileSync/Backup/
-----
As you get more experience with computers maybe you would just know, too,
without having to look it up in a man page (or even have one memorized or
whatever).
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* Mint MATE Trash, Panel, Menu: <http://youtu.be/C0y74FIf7uE>
* Mint KDE working with folders: <http://youtu.be/7C9nvniOoE0>
* Mint KDE creating files: <http://youtu.be/N7-fZJaJUv8>
* Mint KDE help: <http://youtu.be/3ikizUd3sa8>
* Mint KDE general navigation: <http://youtu.be/t9y14yZtQuI>
* Mint KDE bugs or Easter eggs? <http://youtu.be/CU-whJQvtfA>
* Easy on OS X / Hard on Linux: <http://youtu.be/D3BPWANQoIk>
* OS / Word Processor Comparison: <http://youtu.be/w6Qcl-w7s5c>
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| From | owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2015-11-18 18:29 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <fhejao03.a3@rooftop.invalid> |
| In reply to | #333553 |
Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote:
> On 11/18/15, 11:07 AM, in article fhje80q.qpr@rooftop.invalid, "owl"
> <owl@rooftop.invalid> wrote:
>
>> Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote:
>>> On 11/18/15, 9:37 AM, in article fhej0q.fap@rooftop.invalid, "owl"
>>> <owl@rooftop.invalid> wrote:
>>>
>>>>> When I read a tech support article such as this one:
>>>>>
>>>>> <https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT204215>
>>>>> -----
>>>>> Find device backups in ~/Library/Application Support/MobileSync/Backup/
>>>>> -----
>>>>>
>>>>> I know EXACTLY which folder they mean (because I know in that context the
>>>>> tilde means the user folder). No doubt at all.
>>>>
>>>> That's not what you where asking. You were *not* asking what string the
>>>> tilde expanded to; you were asking about where it was located *physically*.
>>>> ("the hard drive only" or whatever it was you said).
>>>
>>> 1) Do you think the tilde (~) in a path means "the hard drive only"?
>>>
>>> I did not ask where the tilde was located on the hard drive but what you
>>> think it means! And clearly you are unsure.
>>
>> You asked if it means "the hard drive only." That is a physical location.
>
> I asked nothing about the physical location of the drive. Could be in the
> computer. Could be external. Could be networked. Completely irrelevant.
>
That's what I told you when you asked. Completely irrelevant.
>>> Me: on seeing that line in a support doc I would know to go to my user
>>> folder, my Library folder, my Application Support folder, etc.
>>>
>>> Not even a second of thought needed. Well, I would likely just go directly
>>> there and not traverse the path, but you (maybe) get the idea. A
>>> knowledgeable computer use would. :)
>>
>> You would be well-advised to give it a second thought.
>
> Nope. On seeing this: <https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT204215>
> -----
> Find device backups in ~/Library/Application Support/MobileSync/Backup/
> -----
>
> I would know how to get there... and not need a second thought. Thank you
> for admitting you would. No shame in not being sure of yourself.
>
>> anon@lowtide:~/usenet$ cat "~/afile"
>> data
>> anon@lowtide:~/usenet$ echo "boom" > ~/afile
>> anon@lowtide:~/usenet$ cat "~/afile"
>> data
>> anon@lowtide:~/usenet$ cat ~/afile
>> boom
>> anon@lowtide:~/usenet$ ls -l
>> total 4
>> drwxr-xr-x 2 anon anon 4096 Nov 18 12:59 ~
>> anon@lowtide:~/usenet$
>>
>>
So you just ignored that warning.
>>>>> Would you know what folder to go to? If so, how?
>>>>
>>>> It is explained in the manpage.
>>>
>>> You would need to refer to a manpage! LOL!
>>
>> You asked "how" I would know. That's how.
>
> Right... where I would know from my own knowledge and experience. I would
> not need to go to a manpage to figure out what Apple is talking about here:
> <https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT204215>
> -----
> Find device backups in ~/Library/Application Support/MobileSync/Backup/
> -----
>
> As you get more experience with computers maybe you would just know, too,
> without having to look it up in a man page (or even have one memorized or
> whatever).
>
Here's another warning, showing why you might want to read manpages
before assuming you know everything:
anon@lowtide:~/usenet$ cd "/usr/bin"
anon@lowtide:/usr/bin$ cd ~/usenet
anon@lowtide:~/usenet$ cd "/usr/bin"
anon@lowtide:/usr/bin$ cd "~/usenet"
bash: cd: ~/usenet: No such file or directory
anon@lowtide:/usr/bin$
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| From | Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2015-11-18 11:40 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <D2721433.648BB%usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> |
| In reply to | #333559 |
On 11/18/15, 11:29 AM, in article fhejao03.a3@rooftop.invalid, "owl" <owl@rooftop.invalid> wrote: >> Right... where I would know from my own knowledge and experience. I would >> not need to go to a manpage to figure out what Apple is talking about here: >> <https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT204215> >> ----- >> Find device backups in ~/Library/Application Support/MobileSync/Backup/ >> ----- >> >> As you get more experience with computers maybe you would just know, too, >> without having to look it up in a man page (or even have one memorized or >> whatever). >> > > Here's another warning, showing why you might want to read manpages > before assuming you know everything: I never said I know everything. I said I knew the where Apple is referencing even without going to a manpage. And I do. :) As you get more experience with computers you likely will, too. -- * OS X / Linux: What is a file? <http://youtu.be/_dMbXGLW9PI> * Mint MATE Trash, Panel, Menu: <http://youtu.be/C0y74FIf7uE> * Mint KDE working with folders: <http://youtu.be/7C9nvniOoE0> * Mint KDE creating files: <http://youtu.be/N7-fZJaJUv8> * Mint KDE help: <http://youtu.be/3ikizUd3sa8> * Mint KDE general navigation: <http://youtu.be/t9y14yZtQuI> * Mint KDE bugs or Easter eggs? <http://youtu.be/CU-whJQvtfA> * Easy on OS X / Hard on Linux: <http://youtu.be/D3BPWANQoIk> * OS / Word Processor Comparison: <http://youtu.be/w6Qcl-w7s5c>
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| From | owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2015-11-18 18:54 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <fheja0.0a3f@rooftop.invalid> |
| In reply to | #333561 |
Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote: > On 11/18/15, 11:29 AM, in article fhejao03.a3@rooftop.invalid, "owl" > <owl@rooftop.invalid> wrote: > >>> Right... where I would know from my own knowledge and experience. I would >>> not need to go to a manpage to figure out what Apple is talking about here: >>> <https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT204215> >>> ----- >>> Find device backups in ~/Library/Application Support/MobileSync/Backup/ >>> ----- >>> >>> As you get more experience with computers maybe you would just know, too, >>> without having to look it up in a man page (or even have one memorized or >>> whatever). >>> >> >> Here's another warning, showing why you might want to read manpages >> before assuming you know everything: > > I never said I know everything. I said I knew the where Apple is referencing > even without going to a manpage. > > And I do. :) > > As you get more experience with computers you likely will, too. > Then maybe you can explain how you know, without reading a manpage, that the following are equivalent: cd "/usr/bin" cd /usr/bin but the following are not equivalent: cd "~/foo" cd ~/foo
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| From | Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2015-11-18 12:09 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <D2721AFC.648CE%usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> |
| In reply to | #333564 |
On 11/18/15, 11:54 AM, in article fheja0.0a3f@rooftop.invalid, "owl"
<owl@rooftop.invalid> wrote:
> Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote:
>> On 11/18/15, 11:29 AM, in article fhejao03.a3@rooftop.invalid, "owl"
>> <owl@rooftop.invalid> wrote:
>>
>>>> Right... where I would know from my own knowledge and experience. I would
>>>> not need to go to a manpage to figure out what Apple is talking about here:
>>>> <https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT204215>
>>>> -----
>>>> Find device backups in ~/Library/Application Support/MobileSync/Backup/
>>>> -----
>>>>
>>>> As you get more experience with computers maybe you would just know, too,
>>>> without having to look it up in a man page (or even have one memorized or
>>>> whatever).
>>>>
>>>
>>> Here's another warning, showing why you might want to read manpages
>>> before assuming you know everything:
>>
>> I never said I know everything. I said I knew the where Apple is referencing
>> even without going to a manpage.
>>
>> And I do. :)
>>
>> As you get more experience with computers you likely will, too.
>
> Then maybe you can explain how you know, without reading a manpage,
> that the following are equivalent:
>
> cd "/usr/bin"
> cd /usr/bin
>
> but the following are not equivalent:
>
> cd "~/foo"
> cd ~/foo
Never said if I do or do not know that, esp. when you are going out of your
way to alter your system so it is non-standard.
What I said is I know, without referencing any manpage, what directory Apple
is referencing here:
<https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT204215>
-----
Find device backups in ~/Library/Application Support/MobileSync/Backup/
-----
As you get more experience maybe you will be able to know, too, without even
having to think of a manpage, no less look one up.
--
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| From | owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2015-11-18 19:18 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <fheua01203p.x@rooftop.invalid> |
| In reply to | #333569 |
Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote: > On 11/18/15, 11:54 AM, in article fheja0.0a3f@rooftop.invalid, "owl" > <owl@rooftop.invalid> wrote: > >> Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote: >>> On 11/18/15, 11:29 AM, in article fhejao03.a3@rooftop.invalid, "owl" >>> <owl@rooftop.invalid> wrote: >>> >>>>> Right... where I would know from my own knowledge and experience. I would >>>>> not need to go to a manpage to figure out what Apple is talking about here: >>>>> <https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT204215> >>>>> ----- >>>>> Find device backups in ~/Library/Application Support/MobileSync/Backup/ >>>>> ----- >>>>> >>>>> As you get more experience with computers maybe you would just know, too, >>>>> without having to look it up in a man page (or even have one memorized or >>>>> whatever). >>>>> >>>> >>>> Here's another warning, showing why you might want to read manpages >>>> before assuming you know everything: >>> >>> I never said I know everything. I said I knew the where Apple is referencing >>> even without going to a manpage. >>> >>> And I do. :) >>> >>> As you get more experience with computers you likely will, too. >> >> Then maybe you can explain how you know, without reading a manpage, >> that the following are equivalent: >> >> cd "/usr/bin" >> cd /usr/bin >> >> but the following are not equivalent: >> >> cd "~/foo" >> cd ~/foo > > Never said if I do or do not know that So do you know it or not? And if so, how did you come by that knowledge without referring to a manpage? >, esp. when you are going out of your > way to alter your system so it is non-standard. > What do you mean by "non-standard"? You also never answered what you meant by "default" in regards to the tilde.
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| From | Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2015-11-18 12:31 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <D2722026.648E7%usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> |
| In reply to | #333572 |
On 11/18/15, 12:18 PM, in article fheua01203p.x@rooftop.invalid, "owl" <owl@rooftop.invalid> wrote: > Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote: >> On 11/18/15, 11:54 AM, in article fheja0.0a3f@rooftop.invalid, "owl" >> <owl@rooftop.invalid> wrote: >> >>> Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote: >>>> On 11/18/15, 11:29 AM, in article fhejao03.a3@rooftop.invalid, "owl" >>>> <owl@rooftop.invalid> wrote: >>>> >>>>>> Right... where I would know from my own knowledge and experience. I would >>>>>> not need to go to a manpage to figure out what Apple is talking about >>>>>> here: >>>>>> <https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT204215> >>>>>> ----- >>>>>> Find device backups in ~/Library/Application >>>>>> Support/MobileSync/Backup/ >>>>>> ----- >>>>>> >>>>>> As you get more experience with computers maybe you would just know, too, >>>>>> without having to look it up in a man page (or even have one memorized or >>>>>> whatever). >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Here's another warning, showing why you might want to read manpages >>>>> before assuming you know everything: >>>> >>>> I never said I know everything. I said I knew the where Apple is >>>> referencing >>>> even without going to a manpage. >>>> >>>> And I do. :) >>>> >>>> As you get more experience with computers you likely will, too. >>> >>> Then maybe you can explain how you know, without reading a manpage, >>> that the following are equivalent: >>> >>> cd "/usr/bin" >>> cd /usr/bin >>> >>> but the following are not equivalent: >>> >>> cd "~/foo" >>> cd ~/foo >> >> Never said if I do or do not know that > > So do you know it or not? And if so, how did you come by that knowledge > without referring to a manpage? > >> , esp. when you are going out of your >> way to alter your system so it is non-standard. >> > > What do you mean by "non-standard"? You also never answered what you > meant by "default" in regards to the tilde. Read the post you responded to, without snipping it. Your questions are answered there... or at least made apparent by the context. -- * OS X / Linux: What is a file? <http://youtu.be/_dMbXGLW9PI> * Mint MATE Trash, Panel, Menu: <http://youtu.be/C0y74FIf7uE> * Mint KDE working with folders: <http://youtu.be/7C9nvniOoE0> * Mint KDE creating files: <http://youtu.be/N7-fZJaJUv8> * Mint KDE help: <http://youtu.be/3ikizUd3sa8> * Mint KDE general navigation: <http://youtu.be/t9y14yZtQuI> * Mint KDE bugs or Easter eggs? <http://youtu.be/CU-whJQvtfA> * Easy on OS X / Hard on Linux: <http://youtu.be/D3BPWANQoIk> * OS / Word Processor Comparison: <http://youtu.be/w6Qcl-w7s5c>
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| From | owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2015-11-18 19:41 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <fhejq03.a@rooftop.invalid> |
| In reply to | #333574 |
Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote: > On 11/18/15, 12:18 PM, in article fheua01203p.x@rooftop.invalid, "owl" > <owl@rooftop.invalid> wrote: > >> Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote: >>> On 11/18/15, 11:54 AM, in article fheja0.0a3f@rooftop.invalid, "owl" >>> <owl@rooftop.invalid> wrote: >>> >>>> Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote: >>>>> On 11/18/15, 11:29 AM, in article fhejao03.a3@rooftop.invalid, "owl" >>>>> <owl@rooftop.invalid> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>> Right... where I would know from my own knowledge and experience. I would >>>>>>> not need to go to a manpage to figure out what Apple is talking about >>>>>>> here: >>>>>>> <https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT204215> >>>>>>> ----- >>>>>>> Find device backups in ~/Library/Application >>>>>>> Support/MobileSync/Backup/ >>>>>>> ----- >>>>>>> >>>>>>> As you get more experience with computers maybe you would just know, too, >>>>>>> without having to look it up in a man page (or even have one memorized or >>>>>>> whatever). >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Here's another warning, showing why you might want to read manpages >>>>>> before assuming you know everything: >>>>> >>>>> I never said I know everything. I said I knew the where Apple is >>>>> referencing >>>>> even without going to a manpage. >>>>> >>>>> And I do. :) >>>>> >>>>> As you get more experience with computers you likely will, too. >>>> >>>> Then maybe you can explain how you know, without reading a manpage, >>>> that the following are equivalent: >>>> >>>> cd "/usr/bin" >>>> cd /usr/bin >>>> >>>> but the following are not equivalent: >>>> >>>> cd "~/foo" >>>> cd ~/foo >>> >>> Never said if I do or do not know that >> >> So do you know it or not? And if so, how did you come by that knowledge >> without referring to a manpage? >> So, no answer. I take it you either do not know it, or if you do then you don't have any idea how you know it -- you just do. >>> , esp. when you are going out of your >>> way to alter your system so it is non-standard. >>> >> >> What do you mean by "non-standard"? You also never answered what you >> meant by "default" in regards to the tilde. > > Read the post you responded to, without snipping it. Your questions are > answered there... or at least made apparent by the context. > Just answer the question. I'm not digging back in this thread just to see your initial dodge once again. You are the one who made the claim about "default" meaning. So what is the "default" meaning?
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| From | Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2015-11-18 12:14 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <0144f2ff-7873-45dd-b2c5-636b189348b1@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #333575 |
On Wednesday, November 18, 2015 at 12:41:09 PM UTC-7, owl wrote: > Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote: > > On 11/18/15, 12:18 PM, in article fheua01203p.x@rooftop.invalid, "owl" > > <owl@rooftop.invalid> wrote: > > > >> Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote: > >>> On 11/18/15, 11:54 AM, in article fheja0.0a3f@rooftop.invalid, "owl" > >>> <owl@rooftop.invalid> wrote: > >>> > >>>> Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote: > >>>>> On 11/18/15, 11:29 AM, in article fhejao03.a3@rooftop.invalid, "owl" > >>>>> <owl@rooftop.invalid> wrote: > >>>>> > >>>>>>> Right... where I would know from my own knowledge and experience. I would > >>>>>>> not need to go to a manpage to figure out what Apple is talking about > >>>>>>> here: > >>>>>>> <https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT204215> > >>>>>>> ----- > >>>>>>> Find device backups in ~/Library/Application > >>>>>>> Support/MobileSync/Backup/ > >>>>>>> ----- > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> As you get more experience with computers maybe you would just know, too, > >>>>>>> without having to look it up in a man page (or even have one memorized or > >>>>>>> whatever). > >>>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Here's another warning, showing why you might want to read manpages > >>>>>> before assuming you know everything: > >>>>> > >>>>> I never said I know everything. I said I knew the where Apple is > >>>>> referencing > >>>>> even without going to a manpage. > >>>>> > >>>>> And I do. :) > >>>>> > >>>>> As you get more experience with computers you likely will, too. > >>>> > >>>> Then maybe you can explain how you know, without reading a manpage, > >>>> that the following are equivalent: > >>>> > >>>> cd "/usr/bin" > >>>> cd /usr/bin > >>>> > >>>> but the following are not equivalent: > >>>> > >>>> cd "~/foo" > >>>> cd ~/foo > >>> > >>> Never said if I do or do not know that > >> > >> So do you know it or not? And if so, how did you come by that knowledge > >> without referring to a manpage? > >> > > So, no answer. I take it you either do not know it, or if you do then > you don't have any idea how you know it -- you just do. > > >>> , esp. when you are going out of your > >>> way to alter your system so it is non-standard. > >>> > >> > >> What do you mean by "non-standard"? You also never answered what you > >> meant by "default" in regards to the tilde. > > > > Read the post you responded to, without snipping it. Your questions are > > answered there... or at least made apparent by the context. > > > > Just answer the question. I'm not digging back in this thread just to > see your initial dodge once again. You are the one who made the claim > about "default" meaning. So what is the "default" meaning? https://groups.google.com/forum/#!original/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/tmpZX0swHVs/5qJLJOMrAAAJ
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| From | Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2015-11-18 13:26 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <D2722D01.648FF%usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> |
| In reply to | #333575 |
On 11/18/15, 12:41 PM, in article fhejq03.a@rooftop.invalid, "owl"
<owl@rooftop.invalid> wrote:
> Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote:
>> On 11/18/15, 12:18 PM, in article fheua01203p.x@rooftop.invalid, "owl"
>> <owl@rooftop.invalid> wrote:
>>
>>> Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote:
>>>> On 11/18/15, 11:54 AM, in article fheja0.0a3f@rooftop.invalid, "owl"
>>>> <owl@rooftop.invalid> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote:
>>>>>> On 11/18/15, 11:29 AM, in article fhejao03.a3@rooftop.invalid, "owl"
>>>>>> <owl@rooftop.invalid> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Right... where I would know from my own knowledge and experience. I
>>>>>>>> would
>>>>>>>> not need to go to a manpage to figure out what Apple is talking about
>>>>>>>> here:
>>>>>>>> <https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT204215>
>>>>>>>> -----
>>>>>>>> Find device backups in ~/Library/Application
>>>>>>>> Support/MobileSync/Backup/
>>>>>>>> -----
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> As you get more experience with computers maybe you would just know,
>>>>>>>> too,
>>>>>>>> without having to look it up in a man page (or even have one memorized
>>>>>>>> or
>>>>>>>> whatever).
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Here's another warning, showing why you might want to read manpages
>>>>>>> before assuming you know everything:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I never said I know everything. I said I knew the where Apple is
>>>>>> referencing
>>>>>> even without going to a manpage.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> And I do. :)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> As you get more experience with computers you likely will, too.
>>>>>
>>>>> Then maybe you can explain how you know, without reading a manpage,
>>>>> that the following are equivalent:
>>>>>
>>>>> cd "/usr/bin"
>>>>> cd /usr/bin
>>>>>
>>>>> but the following are not equivalent:
>>>>>
>>>>> cd "~/foo"
>>>>> cd ~/foo
>>>>
>>>> Never said if I do or do not know that
>>>
>>> So do you know it or not? And if so, how did you come by that knowledge
>>> without referring to a manpage?
>>>
>
> So, no answer. I take it you either do not know it, or if you do then
> you don't have any idea how you know it -- you just do.
>
>>>> , esp. when you are going out of your
>>>> way to alter your system so it is non-standard.
>>>>
>>>
>>> What do you mean by "non-standard"? You also never answered what you
>>> meant by "default" in regards to the tilde.
>>
>> Read the post you responded to, without snipping it. Your questions are
>> answered there... or at least made apparent by the context.
>>
>
> Just answer the question. I'm not digging back in this thread just to
> see your initial dodge once again. You are the one who made the claim
> about "default" meaning. So what is the "default" meaning?
>
>
The one Apple uses here:
<https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT204215>
-----
Find device backups in ~/Library/Applicatio Support/MobileSync/Backup/
-----
In other words: the user's home folder.
--
* OS X / Linux: What is a file? <http://youtu.be/_dMbXGLW9PI>
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* Mint KDE working with folders: <http://youtu.be/7C9nvniOoE0>
* Mint KDE creating files: <http://youtu.be/N7-fZJaJUv8>
* Mint KDE help: <http://youtu.be/3ikizUd3sa8>
* Mint KDE general navigation: <http://youtu.be/t9y14yZtQuI>
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* Easy on OS X / Hard on Linux: <http://youtu.be/D3BPWANQoIk>
* OS / Word Processor Comparison: <http://youtu.be/w6Qcl-w7s5c>
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| From | owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2015-11-18 21:10 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <nvjug83.ar3@rooftop.invalid> |
| In reply to | #333580 |
Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote: > On 11/18/15, 12:41 PM, in article fhejq03.a@rooftop.invalid, "owl" > <owl@rooftop.invalid> wrote: > >> Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote: >>> On 11/18/15, 12:18 PM, in article fheua01203p.x@rooftop.invalid, "owl" >>> <owl@rooftop.invalid> wrote: >>> >>>> Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote: >>>>> On 11/18/15, 11:54 AM, in article fheja0.0a3f@rooftop.invalid, "owl" >>>>> <owl@rooftop.invalid> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote: >>>>>>> On 11/18/15, 11:29 AM, in article fhejao03.a3@rooftop.invalid, "owl" >>>>>>> <owl@rooftop.invalid> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Right... where I would know from my own knowledge and experience. I >>>>>>>>> would >>>>>>>>> not need to go to a manpage to figure out what Apple is talking about >>>>>>>>> here: >>>>>>>>> <https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT204215> >>>>>>>>> ----- >>>>>>>>> Find device backups in ~/Library/Application >>>>>>>>> Support/MobileSync/Backup/ >>>>>>>>> ----- >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> As you get more experience with computers maybe you would just know, >>>>>>>>> too, >>>>>>>>> without having to look it up in a man page (or even have one memorized >>>>>>>>> or >>>>>>>>> whatever). >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Here's another warning, showing why you might want to read manpages >>>>>>>> before assuming you know everything: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I never said I know everything. I said I knew the where Apple is >>>>>>> referencing >>>>>>> even without going to a manpage. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> And I do. :) >>>>>>> >>>>>>> As you get more experience with computers you likely will, too. >>>>>> >>>>>> Then maybe you can explain how you know, without reading a manpage, >>>>>> that the following are equivalent: >>>>>> >>>>>> cd "/usr/bin" >>>>>> cd /usr/bin >>>>>> >>>>>> but the following are not equivalent: >>>>>> >>>>>> cd "~/foo" >>>>>> cd ~/foo >>>>> >>>>> Never said if I do or do not know that >>>> >>>> So do you know it or not? And if so, how did you come by that knowledge >>>> without referring to a manpage? >>>> >> >> So, no answer. I take it you either do not know it, or if you do then >> you don't have any idea how you know it -- you just do. >> >>>>> , esp. when you are going out of your >>>>> way to alter your system so it is non-standard. >>>>> >>>> >>>> What do you mean by "non-standard"? You also never answered what you >>>> meant by "default" in regards to the tilde. >>> >>> Read the post you responded to, without snipping it. Your questions are >>> answered there... or at least made apparent by the context. >>> >> >> Just answer the question. I'm not digging back in this thread just to >> see your initial dodge once again. You are the one who made the claim >> about "default" meaning. So what is the "default" meaning? >> >> > > The one Apple uses here: > > <https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT204215> > ----- > Find device backups in ~/Library/Applicatio Support/MobileSync/Backup/ > ----- > > In other words: the user's home folder. > If the tilde refers to "the user's home folder", can you explain the following without referring to the manpage? anon@lowtide:~$ echo ~ # OK, that's my home directory /home/anon anon@lowtide:~$ echo ~anon # why is this not /home/anonanon? /home/anon anon@lowtide:~$ echo ~anona # why is this not /home/anonanona? ~anona anon@lowtide:~$ echo ~root # why is this not /home/anonroot? /root anon@lowtide:~$
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| From | Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2015-11-18 14:20 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <D27239AF.64923%usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> |
| In reply to | #333592 |
On 11/18/15, 2:10 PM, in article nvjug83.ar3@rooftop.invalid, "owl" <owl@rooftop.invalid> wrote: >> The one Apple uses here: >> >> <https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT204215> >> ----- >> Find device backups in ~/Library/Applicatio Support/MobileSync/Backup/ >> ----- >> >> In other words: the user's home folder. >> > > If the tilde refers to "the user's home folder", can you explain the following > without referring to the manpage? > > anon@lowtide:~$ echo ~ # OK, that's my home directory > /home/anon > anon@lowtide:~$ echo ~anon # why is this not /home/anonanon? > /home/anon > anon@lowtide:~$ echo ~anona # why is this not /home/anonanona? > ~anona > anon@lowtide:~$ echo ~root # why is this not /home/anonroot? > /root > anon@lowtide:~$ You changed your defaults. So? -- * OS X / Linux: What is a file? <http://youtu.be/_dMbXGLW9PI> * Mint MATE Trash, Panel, Menu: <http://youtu.be/C0y74FIf7uE> * Mint KDE working with folders: <http://youtu.be/7C9nvniOoE0> * Mint KDE creating files: <http://youtu.be/N7-fZJaJUv8> * Mint KDE help: <http://youtu.be/3ikizUd3sa8> * Mint KDE general navigation: <http://youtu.be/t9y14yZtQuI> * Mint KDE bugs or Easter eggs? <http://youtu.be/CU-whJQvtfA> * Easy on OS X / Hard on Linux: <http://youtu.be/D3BPWANQoIk> * OS / Word Processor Comparison: <http://youtu.be/w6Qcl-w7s5c>
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| From | owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> |
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| Date | 2015-11-18 21:26 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <fhenfaua30.ae@rooftop.invalid> |
| In reply to | #333595 |
Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote: > On 11/18/15, 2:10 PM, in article nvjug83.ar3@rooftop.invalid, "owl" > <owl@rooftop.invalid> wrote: > >>> The one Apple uses here: >>> >>> <https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT204215> >>> ----- >>> Find device backups in ~/Library/Applicatio Support/MobileSync/Backup/ >>> ----- >>> >>> In other words: the user's home folder. >>> >> >> If the tilde refers to "the user's home folder", can you explain the following >> without referring to the manpage? >> >> anon@lowtide:~$ echo ~ # OK, that's my home directory >> /home/anon >> anon@lowtide:~$ echo ~anon # why is this not /home/anonanon? >> /home/anon >> anon@lowtide:~$ echo ~anona # why is this not /home/anonanona? >> ~anona >> anon@lowtide:~$ echo ~root # why is this not /home/anonroot? >> /root >> anon@lowtide:~$ > > You changed your defaults. So? > What are you talking about? I didn't change anything. Read the manpage for bash like I told you.
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| From | Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> |
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| Date | 2015-11-18 15:18 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <D2724759.64939%usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> |
| In reply to | #333597 |
On 11/18/15, 2:26 PM, in article fhenfaua30.ae@rooftop.invalid, "owl"
<owl@rooftop.invalid> wrote:
> Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote:
>> On 11/18/15, 2:10 PM, in article nvjug83.ar3@rooftop.invalid, "owl"
>> <owl@rooftop.invalid> wrote:
>>
>>>> The one Apple uses here:
>>>>
>>>> <https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT204215>
>>>> -----
>>>> Find device backups in ~/Library/Applicatio Support/MobileSync/Backup/
>>>> -----
>>>>
>>>> In other words: the user's home folder.
>>>>
>>>
>>> If the tilde refers to "the user's home folder", can you explain the
>>> following
>>> without referring to the manpage?
>>>
>>> anon@lowtide:~$ echo ~ # OK, that's my home directory
>>> /home/anon
>>> anon@lowtide:~$ echo ~anon # why is this not /home/anonanon?
>>> /home/anon
>>> anon@lowtide:~$ echo ~anona # why is this not /home/anonanona?
>>> ~anona
>>> anon@lowtide:~$ echo ~root # why is this not /home/anonroot?
>>> /root
>>> anon@lowtide:~$
>>
>> You changed your defaults. So?
>>
>
> What are you talking about? I didn't change anything. Read the manpage
> for bash like I told you.
>
Comes down to when I see what Apple shows in their tech doc:
<https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT204215>
-----
Find device backups in ~/Library/Applicatio Support/MobileSync/Backup/
-----
Unlike you, without using any manpage or anything else I know they mean a
folder in the user's home folder.
Now you can also name files with a tilde in them. Looks like you may have
done that. Whatever. Not really interested right now in edge cases and
puzzles... though I admit at times those can be fun. :)
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| From | owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> |
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| Date | 2015-11-18 23:37 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <fhem.zoa91afa@rooftop.invalid> |
| In reply to | #333606 |
Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote: > On 11/18/15, 2:26 PM, in article fhenfaua30.ae@rooftop.invalid, "owl" > <owl@rooftop.invalid> wrote: > >> Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote: >>> On 11/18/15, 2:10 PM, in article nvjug83.ar3@rooftop.invalid, "owl" >>> <owl@rooftop.invalid> wrote: >>> >>>>> The one Apple uses here: >>>>> >>>>> <https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT204215> >>>>> ----- >>>>> Find device backups in ~/Library/Applicatio Support/MobileSync/Backup/ >>>>> ----- >>>>> >>>>> In other words: the user's home folder. >>>>> >>>> >>>> If the tilde refers to "the user's home folder", can you explain the >>>> following >>>> without referring to the manpage? >>>> >>>> anon@lowtide:~$ echo ~ # OK, that's my home directory >>>> /home/anon >>>> anon@lowtide:~$ echo ~anon # why is this not /home/anonanon? >>>> /home/anon >>>> anon@lowtide:~$ echo ~anona # why is this not /home/anonanona? >>>> ~anona >>>> anon@lowtide:~$ echo ~root # why is this not /home/anonroot? >>>> /root >>>> anon@lowtide:~$ >>> >>> You changed your defaults. So? >>> >> >> What are you talking about? I didn't change anything. Read the manpage >> for bash like I told you. >> > Comes down to when I see what Apple shows in their tech doc: > > <https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT204215> > ----- > Find device backups in ~/Library/Applicatio Support/MobileSync/Backup/ > ----- > > Unlike you, without using any manpage or anything else I know they mean a > folder in the user's home folder. > > Now you can also name files with a tilde in them. Looks like you may have > done that. Whatever. Not really interested right now in edge cases and > puzzles... though I admit at times those can be fun. :) > You are an idiot. The explanation for what is happening is right there in the bash manpage, under the "Tilde Expansion" heading. I posted this already about six or eight levels above in this thread, but even with it staring you right in the face you resist understanding. Congratulations. It takes a championship caliber narcissistic stupidity to cling to a mistaken position with such intensity.
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| From | Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> |
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| Date | 2015-11-18 16:41 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <D2725AAB.6497A%usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> |
| In reply to | #333618 |
On 11/18/15, 4:37 PM, in article fhem.zoa91afa@rooftop.invalid, "owl"
<owl@rooftop.invalid> wrote:
...
> You are an idiot.
Your view of me is irrelevant. I, though, unlike you can figure out, without
looking at any manpage, what Apple means by:
~/Library/Application Support/MobileSync/Backup/
It is simple: the tilde means the users folder and then go from there.
So very, very easy... but you cannot quite get the grasp of it (at least not
without referring to a manpage).
...
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* Mint KDE help: <http://youtu.be/3ikizUd3sa8>
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* Easy on OS X / Hard on Linux: <http://youtu.be/D3BPWANQoIk>
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| From | owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> |
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| Date | 2015-11-18 23:51 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <fe03af.ap@rooftop.invalid> |
| In reply to | #333621 |
Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote: > On 11/18/15, 4:37 PM, in article fhem.zoa91afa@rooftop.invalid, "owl" > <owl@rooftop.invalid> wrote: > > ... >> You are an idiot. > > Your view of me is irrelevant. I, though, unlike you can figure out, without > looking at any manpage, what Apple means by: > > ~/Library/Application Support/MobileSync/Backup/ > > It is simple: the tilde means the users folder and then go from there. > > So very, very easy... but you cannot quite get the grasp of it (at least not > without referring to a manpage). > Waaaaa repost loop
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