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  Linux 30% slower bullshit DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2015-04-24 00:51 -0400
    Re: Linux 30% slower bullshit taka0038@gmail.com - 2015-04-24 01:47 -0700
      Re: Linux 30% slower bullshit Desk Rabbit <me@example.com> - 2015-04-24 10:41 +0100
      DFS 30% slower bullshit Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2015-04-24 06:28 -0400
        Re: DFS 30% slower bullshit -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2015-04-24 03:41 -0700
          Re: DFS 30% slower bullshit Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2015-04-24 13:16 +0200
            Re: DFS 30% slower bullshit -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2015-04-24 04:22 -0700
              Re: DFS 30% slower bullshit Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2015-04-24 13:38 +0200
                Re: DFS 30% slower bullshit Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2015-04-24 08:55 -0400
                  Re: DFS 30% slower bullshit -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2015-04-24 06:29 -0700
                Re: DFS 30% slower bullshit Melzzzzz <mel@zzzzz.com> - 2015-04-24 15:01 +0200
                Re: DFS 30% slower bullshit -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2015-04-24 06:27 -0700
                Re: Linux 30% slower bullshit DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2015-04-24 09:35 -0400
                  Re: Linux 30% slower bullshit Slimer <slvrslmr@lv.c> - 2015-04-24 10:11 -0400
                    Re: Linux 30% slower bullshit Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-04-24 08:53 -0700
              Re: DFS 30% slower bullshit "Ezekiel" <zeke@nosuchemail.com> - 2015-04-24 09:26 -0400
            Re: DFS 30% slower bullshit Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2015-04-24 08:59 -0400
              Re: DFS 30% slower bullshit -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2015-04-24 06:33 -0700
        Re: DFS 30% slower bullshit Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2015-04-24 13:14 +0200
        Re: Linux 30% slower bullshit DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2015-04-24 12:29 -0400
          Re: Linux 30% slower bullshit Tomas <tgif9fri@numo.net> - 2015-04-24 12:33 -0400
            Re: Linux 30% slower bullshit Slimer <slvrslmr@lv.c> - 2015-04-24 17:33 -0400
          Re: Linux 30% slower bullshit Slimer <slvrslmr@lv.c> - 2015-04-24 14:53 -0400
          Re: Linux 30% slower bullshit owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2015-04-24 21:34 +0000
            Re: Linux 30% slower bullshit DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2015-04-28 07:28 -0400
        Re: DFS 30% slower bullshit JEDIDIAH <jedi@nomad.mishnet> - 2015-04-26 18:52 -0500
          Re: DFS 30% slower bullshit chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2015-04-27 07:39 -0500
            Re: DFS 30% slower bullshit DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2015-04-27 08:46 -0400
      Re: Linux 30% slower bullshit Melzzzzz <mel@zzzzz.com> - 2015-04-24 14:53 +0200
        Re: Linux 30% slower bullshit chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2015-04-24 08:08 -0500
          Re: Linux 30% slower bullshit Melzzzzz <mel@zzzzz.com> - 2015-04-24 15:09 +0200
            Re: Linux 30% slower bullshit -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2015-04-24 06:35 -0700
            Re: Linux 30% slower bullshit GreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com> - 2015-04-24 11:54 -0600
              Re: Linux 30% slower bullshit Slimer <slvrslmr@lv.c> - 2015-04-24 17:39 -0400
                Re: Linux 30% slower bullshit GreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com> - 2015-04-24 15:50 -0600
                  Re: Linux 30% slower bullshit Slimer <slvrslmr@lv.c> - 2015-04-24 18:18 -0400
              Re: Linux 30% slower bullshit DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2015-04-25 09:18 -0400
                Re: Linux 30% slower bullshit Slimer <slvrslmr@lv.c> - 2015-04-25 11:12 -0400
                Re: Linux 30% slower bullshit GreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com> - 2015-04-25 11:54 -0600
    Re: Linux 30% slower bullshit taka0038@gmail.com - 2015-04-24 06:44 -0700
      Re: Linux 30% slower bullshit DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2015-04-24 10:07 -0400
        Re: Linux 30% slower bullshit vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2015-04-24 07:52 -0700
          Re: Linux 30% slower bullshit Melzzzzz <mel@zzzzz.com> - 2015-04-24 16:58 +0200
          Re: Linux 30% slower bullshit DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2015-04-24 11:03 -0400
            Re: Linux 30% slower bullshit Melzzzzz <mel@zzzzz.com> - 2015-04-24 17:14 +0200
              Re: Linux 30% slower bullshit taka0038@gmail.com - 2015-04-24 08:55 -0700
                Re: Linux 30% slower bullshit Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2015-04-24 18:07 +0200
                  Re: Linux 30% slower bullshit taka0038@gmail.com - 2015-04-24 09:34 -0700
                Re: Linux 30% slower bullshit Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2015-04-24 12:26 -0400
              Re: Linux 30% slower bullshit DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2015-04-24 12:11 -0400
          Re: Linux 30% slower bullshit Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2015-04-24 12:18 -0400
            Who cares what you have to say, troll. GreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com> - 2015-04-24 11:50 -0600
          Re: Linux 30% slower bullshit Desk Rabbit <me@example.com> - 2015-04-24 17:39 +0100
            Re: Linux 30% slower bullshit vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2015-04-24 10:04 -0700
              Re: Linux 30% slower bullshit GreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com> - 2015-04-24 11:50 -0600
                Re: Linux 30% slower bullshit owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2015-04-24 23:08 +0000
      Re: Linux 30% slower bullshit Slimer <slvrslmr@lv.c> - 2015-04-24 10:18 -0400
        Re: Linux 30% slower bullshit Desk Rabbit <me@example.com> - 2015-04-24 17:42 +0100
          Re: Linux 30% slower bullshit Slimer <slvrslmr@lv.c> - 2015-04-24 17:35 -0400
            Re: Linux 30% slower bullshit Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2015-04-25 00:00 +0200
              Re: Linux 30% slower bullshit Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-04-24 15:44 -0700
                Re: Linux 30% slower bullshit Slimer <slvrslmr@lv.c> - 2015-04-24 20:57 -0400
                  Re: Linux 30% slower bullshit Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-04-24 18:50 -0700
                    Re: Linux 30% slower bullshit Slimer <slvrslmr@lv.c> - 2015-04-25 10:51 -0400
                      Re: Linux 30% slower bullshit Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-04-25 10:02 -0700
                        Re: Linux 30% slower bullshit Slimer <slvrslmr@lv.c> - 2015-04-25 14:34 -0400
                          Re: Linux 30% slower bullshit Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-04-25 15:14 -0700
                            Re: Linux 30% slower bullshit Slimer <slvrslmr@lv.c> - 2015-04-25 20:53 -0400
                              Re: Linux 30% slower bullshit Tomas <tgif9fri@numo.net> - 2015-04-25 21:37 -0400
                                Re: Linux 30% slower bullshit Slimer <slvrslmr@lv.c> - 2015-04-25 21:55 -0400
                                Re: Linux 30% slower bullshit Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-04-25 19:37 -0700
                                  Re: Linux 30% slower bullshit Tomas <tgif9fri@numo.net> - 2015-04-25 22:42 -0400
                                    Re: Linux 30% slower bullshit Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-04-25 19:51 -0700
                                    Re: Linux 30% slower bullshit owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2015-04-26 03:23 +0000
                                      Re: Linux 30% slower bullshit Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-04-25 20:39 -0700
                                        Re: Linux 30% slower bullshit owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2015-04-26 04:29 +0000
                                          Re: Linux 30% slower bullshit Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-04-25 22:55 -0700
                                            Re: Linux 30% slower bullshit Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2015-04-26 10:14 -0700
                                          Re: Linux 30% slower bullshit DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2015-04-26 23:12 -0400
                                            Re: Linux 30% slower bullshit owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2015-04-27 03:28 +0000
                                      Re: Linux 30% slower bullshit Slimer <slvrslmr@lv.c> - 2015-04-26 00:00 -0400
                                        Re: Linux 30% slower bullshit Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-04-25 21:18 -0700
                                        Re: Linux 30% slower bullshit owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2015-04-26 04:48 +0000
                                          Re: Linux 30% slower bullshit Slimer <slvrslmr@lv.c> - 2015-04-26 12:39 -0400
                                            Re: Linux 30% slower bullshit Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-04-26 10:33 -0700
                                          Re: Linux 30% slower bullshit Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2015-04-26 11:45 -0700
                              Re: Linux 30% slower bullshit Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-04-25 19:39 -0700
    One of the stupidest comments on COLA that Moi has ever seen. John Gohde <john.h.gohde@gmail.com> - 2015-04-26 07:22 -0700

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#291515

On 4/24/15, 3:00 PM, in article mheecj$1l3$2@dont-email.me, "Peter Köhlmann"
<peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> wrote:

> Slimer wrote:
> 
>> On 2015-04-24 12:42 PM, Desk Rabbit wrote:
>>> On 24/04/2015 15:18, Slimer wrote:
>>>> On 2015-04-24 9:44 AM, taka0038@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>> On Friday, April 24, 2015 at 1:51:57 PM UTC+9, DFS wrote:
...
>>> In the server enterprise world, hardware support and drivers are
>>> excellent and as good as Windows. It's the Desktop world where stuff
>>> falls apart.
>> 
>> You would think that if the server hardware is so well supported, so
>> would the desktop counterparts. I guess the manufacturers make sure to
>> support the server hardware well since Linux servers are quite popular
>> and put no effort whatsoever on regular hardware because companies
>> couldn't give Linux away on the desktop if it came on a gold-plated
>> desktop.
> 
> And now the imbecile Snit Slimeball will explain what exactly is different
> on a desktop system compared to a server. Just count on it, he will be
> incredibly detailed

In a recent discussion I was called a liar for saying people come to me to
ask for advice on all sorts of tech topics. Here, though, is a fine
example... you can see the recent people in the discussion. Not me.

In fact, the only post I had made to this thread (at least under this name)
was a silly joke to Slimer. I have no real involvement at all.

But Peter Köhlmann is asking me (and Slimer?) to explain "what exactly is
different on a desktop system compared to a server."

Why me other than that he has faith in my knowledge over most others in
COLA? 



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#291521

On 2015-04-24 6:44 PM, Snit wrote:
> On 4/24/15, 3:00 PM, in article mheecj$1l3$2@dont-email.me, "Peter Köhlmann"
> <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> wrote:
>
>> Slimer wrote:
>>
>>> On 2015-04-24 12:42 PM, Desk Rabbit wrote:
>>>> On 24/04/2015 15:18, Slimer wrote:
>>>>> On 2015-04-24 9:44 AM, taka0038@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>>> On Friday, April 24, 2015 at 1:51:57 PM UTC+9, DFS wrote:
> ...
>>>> In the server enterprise world, hardware support and drivers are
>>>> excellent and as good as Windows. It's the Desktop world where stuff
>>>> falls apart.
>>>
>>> You would think that if the server hardware is so well supported, so
>>> would the desktop counterparts. I guess the manufacturers make sure to
>>> support the server hardware well since Linux servers are quite popular
>>> and put no effort whatsoever on regular hardware because companies
>>> couldn't give Linux away on the desktop if it came on a gold-plated
>>> desktop.
>>
>> And now the imbecile Snit Slimeball will explain what exactly is different
>> on a desktop system compared to a server. Just count on it, he will be
>> incredibly detailed
>
> In a recent discussion I was called a liar for saying people come to me to
> ask for advice on all sorts of tech topics. Here, though, is a fine
> example... you can see the recent people in the discussion. Not me.
>
> In fact, the only post I had made to this thread (at least under this name)
> was a silly joke to Slimer. I have no real involvement at all.
>
> But Peter Köhlmann is asking me (and Slimer?) to explain "what exactly is
> different on a desktop system compared to a server."
>
> Why me other than that he has faith in my knowledge over most others in
> COLA?

Peter Köhlmann, the COLA imbecile who fills his quota of daily lies, is 
annoyed that I didn't bother to explain the difference between a server 
and a desktop. With the complete lack of credibility he has, he wants an 
opportunity to "tear me down" on whatever I say, regardless of how 
accurate and detailed it is.

I'll pass. He's such a worthless entity to me that I have him binned. He 
can look up the difference on his favourite Communist tech site if he 
wishes.


-- 
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Encrypt.

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#291523

On 4/24/15, 5:57 PM, in article mheon4$4tn$1@dont-email.me, "Slimer"
<slvrslmr@lv.c> wrote:

> On 2015-04-24 6:44 PM, Snit wrote:
>> On 4/24/15, 3:00 PM, in article mheecj$1l3$2@dont-email.me, "Peter Köhlmann"
>> <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> wrote:
>> 
>>> Slimer wrote:
>>> 
>>>> On 2015-04-24 12:42 PM, Desk Rabbit wrote:
>>>>> On 24/04/2015 15:18, Slimer wrote:
>>>>>> On 2015-04-24 9:44 AM, taka0038@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>>>> On Friday, April 24, 2015 at 1:51:57 PM UTC+9, DFS wrote:
>> ...
>>>>> In the server enterprise world, hardware support and drivers are
>>>>> excellent and as good as Windows. It's the Desktop world where stuff
>>>>> falls apart.
>>>> 
>>>> You would think that if the server hardware is so well supported, so
>>>> would the desktop counterparts. I guess the manufacturers make sure to
>>>> support the server hardware well since Linux servers are quite popular
>>>> and put no effort whatsoever on regular hardware because companies
>>>> couldn't give Linux away on the desktop if it came on a gold-plated
>>>> desktop.
>>> 
>>> And now the imbecile Snit Slimeball will explain what exactly is different
>>> on a desktop system compared to a server. Just count on it, he will be
>>> incredibly detailed
>> 
>> In a recent discussion I was called a liar for saying people come to me to
>> ask for advice on all sorts of tech topics. Here, though, is a fine
>> example... you can see the recent people in the discussion. Not me.
>> 
>> In fact, the only post I had made to this thread (at least under this name)
>> was a silly joke to Slimer. I have no real involvement at all.
>> 
>> But Peter Köhlmann is asking me (and Slimer?) to explain "what exactly is
>> different on a desktop system compared to a server."
>> 
>> Why me other than that he has faith in my knowledge over most others in
>> COLA?
> 
> Peter Köhlmann, the COLA imbecile who fills his quota of daily lies, is
> annoyed that I didn't bother to explain the difference between a server
> and a desktop. With the complete lack of credibility he has, he wants an
> opportunity to "tear me down" on whatever I say, regardless of how
> accurate and detailed it is.

And he insults me and attacks me non-stop... but also comes to me, when I
was not even involved in the conversation, to get knowledge about Linux and
its usage.

> I'll pass. He's such a worthless entity to me that I have him binned. He
> can look up the difference on his favourite Communist tech site if he
> wishes.

His next game will be to insist he never asked us for what he asked us for.

And his herd will back him.

Count on it. 



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#291543

On 2015-04-24 9:50 PM, Snit wrote:
> On 4/24/15, 5:57 PM, in article mheon4$4tn$1@dont-email.me, "Slimer"
> <slvrslmr@lv.c> wrote:
>
>> On 2015-04-24 6:44 PM, Snit wrote:
>>> On 4/24/15, 3:00 PM, in article mheecj$1l3$2@dont-email.me, "Peter Köhlmann"
>>> <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Slimer wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 2015-04-24 12:42 PM, Desk Rabbit wrote:
>>>>>> On 24/04/2015 15:18, Slimer wrote:
>>>>>>> On 2015-04-24 9:44 AM, taka0038@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Friday, April 24, 2015 at 1:51:57 PM UTC+9, DFS wrote:
>>> ...
>>>>>> In the server enterprise world, hardware support and drivers are
>>>>>> excellent and as good as Windows. It's the Desktop world where stuff
>>>>>> falls apart.
>>>>>
>>>>> You would think that if the server hardware is so well supported, so
>>>>> would the desktop counterparts. I guess the manufacturers make sure to
>>>>> support the server hardware well since Linux servers are quite popular
>>>>> and put no effort whatsoever on regular hardware because companies
>>>>> couldn't give Linux away on the desktop if it came on a gold-plated
>>>>> desktop.
>>>>
>>>> And now the imbecile Snit Slimeball will explain what exactly is different
>>>> on a desktop system compared to a server. Just count on it, he will be
>>>> incredibly detailed
>>>
>>> In a recent discussion I was called a liar for saying people come to me to
>>> ask for advice on all sorts of tech topics. Here, though, is a fine
>>> example... you can see the recent people in the discussion. Not me.
>>>
>>> In fact, the only post I had made to this thread (at least under this name)
>>> was a silly joke to Slimer. I have no real involvement at all.
>>>
>>> But Peter Köhlmann is asking me (and Slimer?) to explain "what exactly is
>>> different on a desktop system compared to a server."
>>>
>>> Why me other than that he has faith in my knowledge over most others in
>>> COLA?
>>
>> Peter Köhlmann, the COLA imbecile who fills his quota of daily lies, is
>> annoyed that I didn't bother to explain the difference between a server
>> and a desktop. With the complete lack of credibility he has, he wants an
>> opportunity to "tear me down" on whatever I say, regardless of how
>> accurate and detailed it is.
>
> And he insults me and attacks me non-stop... but also comes to me, when I
> was not even involved in the conversation, to get knowledge about Linux and
> its usage.

The guy has exactly one strategy to play: bait a person into making 
statement and then attack them for whatever they said. Whether I said 
that a server is a kitchen appliance or specialized computer hardware to 
serve data, the result would be the same. The guy's not worth dealing 
with. He's worth about as much as cow dung and smells worse.

>> I'll pass. He's such a worthless entity to me that I have him binned. He
>> can look up the difference on his favourite Communist tech site if he
>> wishes.
>
> His next game will be to insist he never asked us for what he asked us for.
>
> And his herd will back him.
>
> Count on it.

The moment I get an apology for one of the many things I corrected him 
on, I might consider giving him what he wanted.


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#291553

On 4/25/15, 7:51 AM, in article mhg9kg$g0p$1@dont-email.me, "Slimer"
<slvrslmr@lv.c> wrote:

...
>>>> But Peter Köhlmann is asking me (and Slimer?) to explain "what exactly is
>>>> different on a desktop system compared to a server."
>>>> 
>>>> Why me other than that he has faith in my knowledge over most others in
>>>> COLA?
>>> 
>>> Peter Köhlmann, the COLA imbecile who fills his quota of daily lies, is
>>> annoyed that I didn't bother to explain the difference between a server
>>> and a desktop. With the complete lack of credibility he has, he wants an
>>> opportunity to "tear me down" on whatever I say, regardless of how
>>> accurate and detailed it is.
>> 
>> And he insults me and attacks me non-stop... but also comes to me, when I
>> was not even involved in the conversation, to get knowledge about Linux and
>> its usage.
> 
> The guy has exactly one strategy to play: bait a person into making
> statement and then attack them for whatever they said. Whether I said
> that a server is a kitchen appliance or specialized computer hardware to
> serve data, the result would be the same. The guy's not worth dealing
> with. He's worth about as much as cow dung and smells worse.

Exactly. And he is too dim to realize that by begging me to come join a
conversation I was not already in and explain this to him, he is
demonstrating he believes I have more and better knowledge than he does.

>>> I'll pass. He's such a worthless entity to me that I have him binned. He
>>> can look up the difference on his favourite Communist tech site if he
>>> wishes.
>> 
>> His next game will be to insist he never asked us for what he asked us for.
>> 
>> And his herd will back him.
>> 
>> Count on it.
> 
> The moment I get an apology for one of the many things I corrected him
> on, I might consider giving him what he wanted.

Just an admission of each of the quotes I have shown about him where I prove
him to be wrong would be sufficient for me. He is incapable of admitting
when he wrong though.



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#291561

On 2015-04-25 1:02 PM, Snit wrote:
> On 4/25/15, 7:51 AM, in article mhg9kg$g0p$1@dont-email.me, "Slimer"
> <slvrslmr@lv.c> wrote:
>
> ...
>>>>> But Peter Köhlmann is asking me (and Slimer?) to explain "what exactly is
>>>>> different on a desktop system compared to a server."
>>>>>
>>>>> Why me other than that he has faith in my knowledge over most others in
>>>>> COLA?
>>>>
>>>> Peter Köhlmann, the COLA imbecile who fills his quota of daily lies, is
>>>> annoyed that I didn't bother to explain the difference between a server
>>>> and a desktop. With the complete lack of credibility he has, he wants an
>>>> opportunity to "tear me down" on whatever I say, regardless of how
>>>> accurate and detailed it is.
>>>
>>> And he insults me and attacks me non-stop... but also comes to me, when I
>>> was not even involved in the conversation, to get knowledge about Linux and
>>> its usage.
>>
>> The guy has exactly one strategy to play: bait a person into making
>> statement and then attack them for whatever they said. Whether I said
>> that a server is a kitchen appliance or specialized computer hardware to
>> serve data, the result would be the same. The guy's not worth dealing
>> with. He's worth about as much as cow dung and smells worse.
>
> Exactly. And he is too dim to realize that by begging me to come join a
> conversation I was not already in and explain this to him, he is
> demonstrating he believes I have more and better knowledge than he does.

Actually, considering how often Peter Köhlmann is wrong, you _ARE_ more 
knowledgeable than he is. Let me say that again so that chrisv can put 
it in his list of quotes, context and all:

"Snit is a lot more knowledgeable than Peter Köhlmann. That comment is 
sincere and shows no sarcasm whatsoever." - Slimer, April 25th, 2015.

>>>> I'll pass. He's such a worthless entity to me that I have him binned. He
>>>> can look up the difference on his favourite Communist tech site if he
>>>> wishes.
>>>
>>> His next game will be to insist he never asked us for what he asked us for.
>>>
>>> And his herd will back him.
>>>
>>> Count on it.
>>
>> The moment I get an apology for one of the many things I corrected him
>> on, I might consider giving him what he wanted.
>
> Just an admission of each of the quotes I have shown about him where I prove
> him to be wrong would be sufficient for me. He is incapable of admitting
> when he wrong though.

I'm sure that he also refuses to apologize for the holocaust his family 
participated in... y'know, the one where Linux company IBM built the 
hardware necessary to make a list of all of the Jews.

-- 
Slimer
Encrypt.

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#291577

On 4/25/15, 11:34 AM, in article mhgmlp$7bv$1@dont-email.me, "Slimer"
<slvrslmr@lv.c> wrote:

> On 2015-04-25 1:02 PM, Snit wrote:
>> On 4/25/15, 7:51 AM, in article mhg9kg$g0p$1@dont-email.me, "Slimer"
>> <slvrslmr@lv.c> wrote:
>> 
>> ...
>>>>>> But Peter Köhlmann is asking me (and Slimer?) to explain "what exactly is
>>>>>> different on a desktop system compared to a server."
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Why me other than that he has faith in my knowledge over most others in
>>>>>> COLA?
>>>>> 
>>>>> Peter Köhlmann, the COLA imbecile who fills his quota of daily lies, is
>>>>> annoyed that I didn't bother to explain the difference between a server
>>>>> and a desktop. With the complete lack of credibility he has, he wants an
>>>>> opportunity to "tear me down" on whatever I say, regardless of how
>>>>> accurate and detailed it is.
>>>> 
>>>> And he insults me and attacks me non-stop... but also comes to me, when I
>>>> was not even involved in the conversation, to get knowledge about Linux and
>>>> its usage.
>>> 
>>> The guy has exactly one strategy to play: bait a person into making
>>> statement and then attack them for whatever they said. Whether I said
>>> that a server is a kitchen appliance or specialized computer hardware to
>>> serve data, the result would be the same. The guy's not worth dealing
>>> with. He's worth about as much as cow dung and smells worse.
>> 
>> Exactly. And he is too dim to realize that by begging me to come join a
>> conversation I was not already in and explain this to him, he is
>> demonstrating he believes I have more and better knowledge than he does.
> 
> Actually, considering how often Peter Köhlmann is wrong, you _ARE_ more
> knowledgeable than he is.

Of course. Even with programming, where he claims to be an expert (and I
most certainly am not) he claimed the output of my bot code was "doctored"
even when he had full access to the code.

Just insane.

> Let me say that again so that chrisv can put
> it in his list of quotes, context and all:
> 
> "Snit is a lot more knowledgeable than Peter Köhlmann. That comment is
> sincere and shows no sarcasm whatsoever." - Slimer, April 25th, 2015.

:)

And the herd will pretend it is not true. Let me guess, RonB will insist
since I have talked about how some people have difficulty working with the
concept of computer files and folders this means I am saying I do.

...


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#291587

On 2015-04-25 6:14 PM, Snit wrote:
> On 4/25/15, 11:34 AM, in article mhgmlp$7bv$1@dont-email.me, "Slimer"
> <slvrslmr@lv.c> wrote:
>
>> On 2015-04-25 1:02 PM, Snit wrote:
>>> On 4/25/15, 7:51 AM, in article mhg9kg$g0p$1@dont-email.me, "Slimer"
>>> <slvrslmr@lv.c> wrote:
>>>
>>> ...
>>>>>>> But Peter Köhlmann is asking me (and Slimer?) to explain "what exactly is
>>>>>>> different on a desktop system compared to a server."
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Why me other than that he has faith in my knowledge over most others in
>>>>>>> COLA?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Peter Köhlmann, the COLA imbecile who fills his quota of daily lies, is
>>>>>> annoyed that I didn't bother to explain the difference between a server
>>>>>> and a desktop. With the complete lack of credibility he has, he wants an
>>>>>> opportunity to "tear me down" on whatever I say, regardless of how
>>>>>> accurate and detailed it is.
>>>>>
>>>>> And he insults me and attacks me non-stop... but also comes to me, when I
>>>>> was not even involved in the conversation, to get knowledge about Linux and
>>>>> its usage.
>>>>
>>>> The guy has exactly one strategy to play: bait a person into making
>>>> statement and then attack them for whatever they said. Whether I said
>>>> that a server is a kitchen appliance or specialized computer hardware to
>>>> serve data, the result would be the same. The guy's not worth dealing
>>>> with. He's worth about as much as cow dung and smells worse.
>>>
>>> Exactly. And he is too dim to realize that by begging me to come join a
>>> conversation I was not already in and explain this to him, he is
>>> demonstrating he believes I have more and better knowledge than he does.
>>
>> Actually, considering how often Peter Köhlmann is wrong, you _ARE_ more
>> knowledgeable than he is.
>
> Of course. Even with programming, where he claims to be an expert (and I
> most certainly am not) he claimed the output of my bot code was "doctored"
> even when he had full access to the code.
>
> Just insane.

I still recall how he said that your bot was sorcery, called you a witch 
and called for you to be burned at the stake. This, after BEGGING you to 
help him understand technological concepts! The thankless pig!

-- 
Slimer
Encrypt.

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#291589

On Sat, 25 Apr 2015 20:53:44 -0400, Slimer wrote:

> On 2015-04-25 6:14 PM, Snit wrote:
>> On 4/25/15, 11:34 AM, in article mhgmlp$7bv$1@dont-email.me, "Slimer"
>> <slvrslmr@lv.c> wrote:
>>
>>> On 2015-04-25 1:02 PM, Snit wrote:
>>>> On 4/25/15, 7:51 AM, in article mhg9kg$g0p$1@dont-email.me, "Slimer"
>>>> <slvrslmr@lv.c> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> ...
>>>>>>>> But Peter Köhlmann is asking me (and Slimer?) to explain "what exactly is
>>>>>>>> different on a desktop system compared to a server."
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Why me other than that he has faith in my knowledge over most others in
>>>>>>>> COLA?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Peter Köhlmann, the COLA imbecile who fills his quota of daily lies, is
>>>>>>> annoyed that I didn't bother to explain the difference between a server
>>>>>>> and a desktop. With the complete lack of credibility he has, he wants an
>>>>>>> opportunity to "tear me down" on whatever I say, regardless of how
>>>>>>> accurate and detailed it is.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> And he insults me and attacks me non-stop... but also comes to me, when I
>>>>>> was not even involved in the conversation, to get knowledge about Linux and
>>>>>> its usage.
>>>>>
>>>>> The guy has exactly one strategy to play: bait a person into making
>>>>> statement and then attack them for whatever they said. Whether I said
>>>>> that a server is a kitchen appliance or specialized computer hardware to
>>>>> serve data, the result would be the same. The guy's not worth dealing
>>>>> with. He's worth about as much as cow dung and smells worse.
>>>>
>>>> Exactly. And he is too dim to realize that by begging me to come join a
>>>> conversation I was not already in and explain this to him, he is
>>>> demonstrating he believes I have more and better knowledge than he does.
>>>
>>> Actually, considering how often Peter Köhlmann is wrong, you _ARE_ more
>>> knowledgeable than he is.
>>
>> Of course. Even with programming, where he claims to be an expert (and I
>> most certainly am not) he claimed the output of my bot code was "doctored"
>> even when he had full access to the code.
>>
>> Just insane.
> 
> I still recall how he said that your bot was sorcery, called you a witch 
> and called for you to be burned at the stake. This, after BEGGING you to 
> help him understand technological concepts! The thankless pig!

Snit is correct.
The problem with Linux advocacy in general is that it is built upon
lies. 
It's not possible to accurately and honestly present one's position
with Linux or even Windows or osx for that matter.

The minute a person makes a negative comment about Linux or a
positive comment about Windows/osx, the herd will vehemently object
and call the person a troll.

It's all very obtuse.

Personally I used Windows since DOS days and Linux since day one, off
and on, and the fact is Linux just doesn't measure up to Windows.
It doesn't.
Maybe for a server farm or a super computer Linux is the way to go,
and I suspect it is, but for the typical end user moving to Linux it
does nothing but create problems and leave the user with an inferior
system.

For years I've been asking Linux users to tell me, specifically,
accurately and honestly why Linux is superior to Windows and for
years I have yet to hear an honest answer.

1. Linux is faster.
Nope. Not my experience on same hardware.
Maybe on old iron with light distributions, but on current hardware,
Linux with something like KDE is sluggish.
2. Linux is free. Ok, you got me there. So what is free that is
valuable?
3. Open source applications have source code. Who cares?
4. Linux is less likely to be compromised. True. Why target the 1
percenters?
5. Package management. Sure, when it works. My Windows software lets
me know when updates are available, applications included, just not
all in one place. And it works. Linux? Good luck. Great on paper,
horrible in practice.

So in conclusion, what's the reason why a person would leave Windows
or OSX and switch to Linux?

I sure can't find a single one.

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#291592

On 2015-04-25 9:37 PM, Tomas wrote:
> On Sat, 25 Apr 2015 20:53:44 -0400, Slimer wrote:
>
>> On 2015-04-25 6:14 PM, Snit wrote:
>>> On 4/25/15, 11:34 AM, in article mhgmlp$7bv$1@dont-email.me, "Slimer"
>>> <slvrslmr@lv.c> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 2015-04-25 1:02 PM, Snit wrote:
>>>>> On 4/25/15, 7:51 AM, in article mhg9kg$g0p$1@dont-email.me, "Slimer"
>>>>> <slvrslmr@lv.c> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> ...
>>>>>>>>> But Peter Köhlmann is asking me (and Slimer?) to explain "what exactly is
>>>>>>>>> different on a desktop system compared to a server."
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Why me other than that he has faith in my knowledge over most others in
>>>>>>>>> COLA?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Peter Köhlmann, the COLA imbecile who fills his quota of daily lies, is
>>>>>>>> annoyed that I didn't bother to explain the difference between a server
>>>>>>>> and a desktop. With the complete lack of credibility he has, he wants an
>>>>>>>> opportunity to "tear me down" on whatever I say, regardless of how
>>>>>>>> accurate and detailed it is.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> And he insults me and attacks me non-stop... but also comes to me, when I
>>>>>>> was not even involved in the conversation, to get knowledge about Linux and
>>>>>>> its usage.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The guy has exactly one strategy to play: bait a person into making
>>>>>> statement and then attack them for whatever they said. Whether I said
>>>>>> that a server is a kitchen appliance or specialized computer hardware to
>>>>>> serve data, the result would be the same. The guy's not worth dealing
>>>>>> with. He's worth about as much as cow dung and smells worse.
>>>>>
>>>>> Exactly. And he is too dim to realize that by begging me to come join a
>>>>> conversation I was not already in and explain this to him, he is
>>>>> demonstrating he believes I have more and better knowledge than he does.
>>>>
>>>> Actually, considering how often Peter Köhlmann is wrong, you _ARE_ more
>>>> knowledgeable than he is.
>>>
>>> Of course. Even with programming, where he claims to be an expert (and I
>>> most certainly am not) he claimed the output of my bot code was "doctored"
>>> even when he had full access to the code.
>>>
>>> Just insane.
>>
>> I still recall how he said that your bot was sorcery, called you a witch
>> and called for you to be burned at the stake. This, after BEGGING you to
>> help him understand technological concepts! The thankless pig!
>
> Snit is correct.
> The problem with Linux advocacy in general is that it is built upon
> lies.
> It's not possible to accurately and honestly present one's position
> with Linux or even Windows or osx for that matter.
>
> The minute a person makes a negative comment about Linux or a
> positive comment about Windows/osx, the herd will vehemently object
> and call the person a troll.
>
> It's all very obtuse.
>
> Personally I used Windows since DOS days and Linux since day one, off
> and on, and the fact is Linux just doesn't measure up to Windows.
> It doesn't.
> Maybe for a server farm or a super computer Linux is the way to go,
> and I suspect it is, but for the typical end user moving to Linux it
> does nothing but create problems and leave the user with an inferior
> system.

My history is similar to yours. I tried Linux out early on, was 
unimpressed and then waited for it to improve. Every so often, I would 
be told that it was "better than Windows" and therefore tried it out, 
over and over, only to end up disappointed.

Realistically, I COULD use Linux exclusively, especially since I love 
some of the open-source projects like GNOME, VLC, OGG Vorbis and FLAC. 
However, I'm unwilling to tinker incessantly in the hope that it might 
continue to work right.

Still, I advocate its use with people at work who refuse to upgrade 
their machines or who want to get a second life out of them. Machines 
from 2006 for instance thrive on Linux so long as you choose the right 
distribution.

> For years I've been asking Linux users to tell me, specifically,
> accurately and honestly why Linux is superior to Windows and for
> years I have yet to hear an honest answer.
>
> 1. Linux is faster.
> Nope. Not my experience on same hardware.
> Maybe on old iron with light distributions, but on current hardware,
> Linux with something like KDE is sluggish.

Agreed here. The very capable desktop environments like GNOME and KDE 
aren't at all faster than Windows. In fact, they feel very clunky and 
choppy. However, environments like XFCE are great on older machines 
while providing a very familiar experience to would-be Windows converts.

> 2. Linux is free. Ok, you got me there. So what is free that is
> valuable?

Honestly, the people behind VLC could easily charge money for it. The 
same goes for applications like Audacity, LibreOffice and GIMP. The fact 
that they don't is commendable although stupid.

> 3. Open source applications have source code. Who cares?

If you want to learn how the features of that program work or need to 
improve something, you can because of the availability of the source 
code. People CAN, if they want, fix their own bugs though I can't 
imagine that it would be easy unless the developers really made sure to 
leave notes everywhere to make sure that _anyone_ can modify the code 
and know how. As far as I know, this is the case but I have to admit 
that I never looked at Linux's source.

> 4. Linux is less likely to be compromised. True. Why target the 1
> percenters?

It has more to do with how the system works than how few people use it. 
The Linux losers DO have a point when they say that Linux doesn't easily 
give away root access. That fact alone protects the system. In the case 
of Windows, you CAN have the system require user intervention whenever 
an application requests administrator access but that seems to break 
functionality in Windows 8 for whatever reason. In Windows 7, I kept 
User Access Control at the very top as a security measure. However, it 
doesn't ask for a password the way Linux does, so an impatient user 
might just go ahead and provide access to malware without having had the 
chance to think about what he just did.

> 5. Package management. Sure, when it works. My Windows software lets
> me know when updates are available, applications included, just not
> all in one place. And it works. Linux? Good luck. Great on paper,
> horrible in practice.

The idea is excellent, but it tends to break things way too often. THAT 
is one of the biggest issues I have with Linux, but I have a few.

> So in conclusion, what's the reason why a person would leave Windows
> or OSX and switch to Linux?
>
> I sure can't find a single one.

The cost tends to attract a lot of people whereas the software itself 
tends to alienate them.

-- 
Slimer
Encrypt.

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#291600

On 4/25/15, 6:37 PM, in article rld60l0ab45r$.1ibjzzi0yxbyv.dlg@40tude.net,
"Tomas" <tgif9fri@numo.net> wrote:

...
> For years I've been asking Linux users to tell me, specifically,
> accurately and honestly why Linux is superior to Windows and for
> years I have yet to hear an honest answer.
> 
> 1. Linux is faster.
> Nope. Not my experience on same hardware.
> Maybe on old iron with light distributions, but on current hardware,
> Linux with something like KDE is sluggish.
> 2. Linux is free. Ok, you got me there. So what is free that is
> valuable?
> 3. Open source applications have source code. Who cares?
> 4. Linux is less likely to be compromised. True. Why target the 1
> percenters?
> 5. Package management. Sure, when it works. My Windows software lets
> me know when updates are available, applications included, just not
> all in one place. And it works. Linux? Good luck. Great on paper,
> horrible in practice.
> 
> So in conclusion, what's the reason why a person would leave Windows
> or OSX and switch to Linux?
> 
> I sure can't find a single one.

My challenge has been to show a task that is handled better on desktop Linux
- pick your distro - better than the competition.

I show examples comparing different OSs below. I ask for nothing I am not
providing.

So far, even with Peter's Voldermort software, none of the herd can figure
out anything to show.


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* Mint KDE bugs or Easter eggs?     <http://youtu.be/CU-whJQvtfA>
* Mint KDE working with folders:    <http://youtu.be/7C9nvniOoE0>
* Mint KDE creating files:          <http://youtu.be/N7-fZJaJUv8>
* Mint KDE help:                    <http://youtu.be/3ikizUd3sa8>
* Mint KDE general navigation:      <http://youtu.be/t9y14yZtQuI>
* Mavericks / Pages 5.1:            <http://youtu.be/D3BPWANQoIk>
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#291604

On Sat, 25 Apr 2015 19:37:54 -0700, Snit wrote:

> On 4/25/15, 6:37 PM, in article rld60l0ab45r$.1ibjzzi0yxbyv.dlg@40tude.net,
> "Tomas" <tgif9fri@numo.net> wrote:
> 
> ...
>> For years I've been asking Linux users to tell me, specifically,
>> accurately and honestly why Linux is superior to Windows and for
>> years I have yet to hear an honest answer.
>> 
>> 1. Linux is faster.
>> Nope. Not my experience on same hardware.
>> Maybe on old iron with light distributions, but on current hardware,
>> Linux with something like KDE is sluggish.
>> 2. Linux is free. Ok, you got me there. So what is free that is
>> valuable?
>> 3. Open source applications have source code. Who cares?
>> 4. Linux is less likely to be compromised. True. Why target the 1
>> percenters?
>> 5. Package management. Sure, when it works. My Windows software lets
>> me know when updates are available, applications included, just not
>> all in one place. And it works. Linux? Good luck. Great on paper,
>> horrible in practice.
>> 
>> So in conclusion, what's the reason why a person would leave Windows
>> or OSX and switch to Linux?
>> 
>> I sure can't find a single one.
> 
> My challenge has been to show a task that is handled better on desktop Linux
> - pick your distro - better than the competition.

Maybe free development tools but other than that and highly
specialized applications like super computers, Linux is a huge step
backwards.

And they know this.
This is the reason they run from challenges like yours.
The herd prefers to spout on and on about how Linux is superior but
they run like hell when asked to back up their claims.

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#291605

On 4/25/15, 7:42 PM, in article 492kdar32s6x$.1q36i0g92cgu0.dlg@40tude.net,
"Tomas" <tgif9fri@numo.net> wrote:

> On Sat, 25 Apr 2015 19:37:54 -0700, Snit wrote:
> 
>> On 4/25/15, 6:37 PM, in article rld60l0ab45r$.1ibjzzi0yxbyv.dlg@40tude.net,
>> "Tomas" <tgif9fri@numo.net> wrote:
>> 
>> ...
>>> For years I've been asking Linux users to tell me, specifically,
>>> accurately and honestly why Linux is superior to Windows and for
>>> years I have yet to hear an honest answer.
>>> 
>>> 1. Linux is faster.
>>> Nope. Not my experience on same hardware.
>>> Maybe on old iron with light distributions, but on current hardware,
>>> Linux with something like KDE is sluggish.
>>> 2. Linux is free. Ok, you got me there. So what is free that is
>>> valuable?
>>> 3. Open source applications have source code. Who cares?
>>> 4. Linux is less likely to be compromised. True. Why target the 1
>>> percenters?
>>> 5. Package management. Sure, when it works. My Windows software lets
>>> me know when updates are available, applications included, just not
>>> all in one place. And it works. Linux? Good luck. Great on paper,
>>> horrible in practice.
>>> 
>>> So in conclusion, what's the reason why a person would leave Windows
>>> or OSX and switch to Linux?
>>> 
>>> I sure can't find a single one.
>> 
>> My challenge has been to show a task that is handled better on desktop Linux
>> - pick your distro - better than the competition.
> 
> Maybe free development tools but other than that and highly
> specialized applications like super computers, Linux is a huge step
> backwards.

Oh, on super computers and servers and *many* other areas Linux is awesome.

I am speaking on the desktop.

> And they know this.
> This is the reason they run from challenges like yours.

Pretty much. That and Peter's Voldermort software is a lie... still, they
could do a basic screen recording.

> The herd prefers to spout on and on about how Linux is superior but
> they run like hell when asked to back up their claims.

Pretty much.

-- 
* Mint MATE Trash, Panel, Menu:     <http://youtu.be/C0y74FIf7uE>
* Mint KDE bugs or Easter eggs?     <http://youtu.be/CU-whJQvtfA>
* Mint KDE working with folders:    <http://youtu.be/7C9nvniOoE0>
* Mint KDE creating files:          <http://youtu.be/N7-fZJaJUv8>
* Mint KDE help:                    <http://youtu.be/3ikizUd3sa8>
* Mint KDE general navigation:      <http://youtu.be/t9y14yZtQuI>
* Mavericks / Pages 5.1:            <http://youtu.be/D3BPWANQoIk>
* OS / Word Processor Comparison:   <http://youtu.be/w6Qcl-w7s5c>

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#291608

Tomas <tgif9fri@numo.net> wrote:
> On Sat, 25 Apr 2015 19:37:54 -0700, Snit wrote:

>> On 4/25/15, 6:37 PM, in article rld60l0ab45r$.1ibjzzi0yxbyv.dlg@40tude.net,
>> "Tomas" <tgif9fri@numo.net> wrote:
>> 
>> ...
>>> For years I've been asking Linux users to tell me, specifically,
>>> accurately and honestly why Linux is superior to Windows and for
>>> years I have yet to hear an honest answer.
>>> 
>>> 1. Linux is faster.
>>> Nope. Not my experience on same hardware.
>>> Maybe on old iron with light distributions, but on current hardware,
>>> Linux with something like KDE is sluggish.
>>> 2. Linux is free. Ok, you got me there. So what is free that is
>>> valuable?
>>> 3. Open source applications have source code. Who cares?
>>> 4. Linux is less likely to be compromised. True. Why target the 1
>>> percenters?
>>> 5. Package management. Sure, when it works. My Windows software lets
>>> me know when updates are available, applications included, just not
>>> all in one place. And it works. Linux? Good luck. Great on paper,
>>> horrible in practice.
>>> 
>>> So in conclusion, what's the reason why a person would leave Windows
>>> or OSX and switch to Linux?
>>> 
>>> I sure can't find a single one.
>> 
>> My challenge has been to show a task that is handled better on desktop Linux
>> - pick your distro - better than the competition.

> Maybe free development tools but other than that and highly
> specialized applications like super computers, Linux is a huge step
> backwards.

> And they know this.
> This is the reason they run from challenges like yours.
> The herd prefers to spout on and on about how Linux is superior but
> they run like hell when asked to back up their claims.

For me, the desktop is one of the major *draws* of Linux (or *BSD).
Not for available commercial apps, or for some newfangled way of arranging
pretty icons, or whatever the hell MS has on their mind at the moment; but
the way the X desktop suits my workflow much better than windows or mack.
I would not want to do without virtual desktops or X copy/paste or the
availability of a wide assortment of window managers.

Seriously, every time I have to go into windows for whatever reason, I
feel like I'm wearing leg irons.  What?  I have to paint, right-click,
select copy, right-click, select paste?  That SUCKS!  I painted it.
Obviously I want to do something with it, so buffer it already.  So yeah,
middle-click paste.  I don't need some super middle wheel with knobby
tires and a gyro.  Just a plain old button will do thank you very much.

Bitch about Linux being retro nineties or whatever.  The nineties were
actually the pinnacle of desktop computing design.  Ever since, it's all
been about "What can we change for no reason so we can force them to buy
something new?"  Computers certainly don't feel any faster today than
they did then.  If anything, they are slower.  And the anti-logic that's
been put into the desktop from both windoze and mack, well you can have
that shit.

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#291610

On 4/25/15, 8:23 PM, in article nvbhf93.gjjoe@rooftop.invalid, "owl"
<owl@rooftop.invalid> wrote:

...
 
>>>> I sure can't find a single one.
>>> 
>>> My challenge has been to show a task that is handled better on desktop Linux
>>> - pick your distro - better than the competition.
> 
>> Maybe free development tools but other than that and highly
>> specialized applications like super computers, Linux is a huge step
>> backwards.
> 
>> And they know this.
>> This is the reason they run from challenges like yours.
>> The herd prefers to spout on and on about how Linux is superior but
>> they run like hell when asked to back up their claims.
> 
> For me, the desktop is one of the major *draws* of Linux (or *BSD).
> Not for available commercial apps, or for some newfangled way of arranging
> pretty icons, or whatever the hell MS has on their mind at the moment; but
> the way the X desktop suits my workflow much better than windows or mack.

Mack makes trucks... not computers.

But seriously, I would love to see some of these things desktop Linux does
so well.

> I would not want to do without virtual desktops or X copy/paste or the
> availability of a wide assortment of window managers.

Why not show the advantage of this as you use it. I use full screen on OS X
which is tied to virtual desktops. That integration works well. I do not
think it exists on any Linux system.

One thing I do like from many of the Window managers on Linux is the ability
to have windows "snap" to each other. Wish OS X had that.
 
> Seriously, every time I have to go into windows for whatever reason, I
> feel like I'm wearing leg irons.  What?  I have to paint, right-click,
> select copy, right-click, select paste?  That SUCKS!  I painted it.

You can get this ability on OS X... though certainly not what I would want.
And do not want my middle-click functionality taken over by paste. Yuck. But
to each their own.

> Obviously I want to do something with it, so buffer it already.

Again, to each their own, but why put something I want to drag and drop or
change the font of or otherwise modify in my clipboard? Seems absurd to me.

> So yeah, middle-click paste.

Taking away my middle-click functionality would be nasty...

> I don't need some super middle wheel with knobby
> tires and a gyro.  Just a plain old button will do thank you very much.

Right... to open links in new tabs, for example.

> Bitch about Linux being retro nineties or whatever.  The nineties were
> actually the pinnacle of desktop computing design.  Ever since, it's all
> been about "What can we change for no reason so we can force them to buy
> something new?"  Computers certainly don't feel any faster today than
> they did then.  If anything, they are slower.  And the anti-logic that's
> been put into the desktop from both windoze and mack, well you can have
> that shit.
> 
> 



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#291613

Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote:
> On 4/25/15, 8:23 PM, in article nvbhf93.gjjoe@rooftop.invalid, "owl"
> <owl@rooftop.invalid> wrote:

> ...
>  
>>>>> I sure can't find a single one.
>>>> 
>>>> My challenge has been to show a task that is handled better on desktop Linux
>>>> - pick your distro - better than the competition.
>> 
>>> Maybe free development tools but other than that and highly
>>> specialized applications like super computers, Linux is a huge step
>>> backwards.
>> 
>>> And they know this.
>>> This is the reason they run from challenges like yours.
>>> The herd prefers to spout on and on about how Linux is superior but
>>> they run like hell when asked to back up their claims.
>> 
>> For me, the desktop is one of the major *draws* of Linux (or *BSD).
>> Not for available commercial apps, or for some newfangled way of arranging
>> pretty icons, or whatever the hell MS has on their mind at the moment; but
>> the way the X desktop suits my workflow much better than windows or mack.

> Mack makes trucks... not computers.

> But seriously, I would love to see some of these things desktop Linux does
> so well.

Well, it's not all just about Linux.  I use vi as my editor.  That's
not so much a linux thing as a unix thing, but vi is available for
Win and Mac too, so it's not just Linux.  But it's just always there
under Linux; if it's not there for whatever reason, all hell breaks
loose on the internet and pretty soon it's there again :) But anyway,
vi navigation is fantastic.  And that carries over to my newsreader (tin),
which has similar vi navigation by default, and integrates vi itself
as the newsreader's editor. 

>> I would not want to do without virtual desktops or X copy/paste or the
>> availability of a wide assortment of window managers.

> Why not show the advantage of this as you use it. I use full screen on OS X
> which is tied to virtual desktops.  That integration works well. I do not
> think it exists on any Linux system.

I can full-screen an app and still use ctrl + left/right arrow to switch
virtual desktops, if that's what you mean.

> One thing I do like from many of the Window managers on Linux is the ability
> to have windows "snap" to each other. Wish OS X had that.
>  
>> Seriously, every time I have to go into windows for whatever reason, I
>> feel like I'm wearing leg irons.  What?  I have to paint, right-click,
>> select copy, right-click, select paste?  That SUCKS!  I painted it.

> You can get this ability on OS X... though certainly not what I would want.
> And do not want my middle-click functionality taken over by paste. Yuck. But
> to each their own.

What functionality would be taken over?  I have a crap wheel mouse, since
you can't really find simple 3-button mice any more.  The wheel still works
for scrolling.

>> Obviously I want to do something with it, so buffer it already.

> Again, to each their own, but why put something I want to drag and drop or
> change the font of or otherwise modify in my clipboard? Seems absurd to me.

You don't lose that ability.  The select==copy is just for text.  But you
don't lose the ability to right-click selected text and change its font
or whatever, while still being able to paste the same selected (and
reformatted) text somewhere with a middle click. 

>> So yeah, middle-click paste.

> Taking away my middle-click functionality would be nasty...

Explain.

>> I don't need some super middle wheel with knobby
>> tires and a gyro.  Just a plain old button will do thank you very much.

> Right... to open links in new tabs, for example.

Middle click still works fine for opening links in new tabs, while also
working for pasting when in an input context such as a form field or an
editor window or command line.  Some apps are broken of course, and don't
make use of it, but most seem to work ok.

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#291615

On 4/25/15, 9:29 PM, in article bbvhu93.fp3w@rooftop.invalid, "owl"
<owl@rooftop.invalid> wrote:

> Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote:
>> On 4/25/15, 8:23 PM, in article nvbhf93.gjjoe@rooftop.invalid, "owl"
>> <owl@rooftop.invalid> wrote:
> 
>> ...
>>  
>>>>>> I sure can't find a single one.
>>>>> 
>>>>> My challenge has been to show a task that is handled better on desktop
>>>>> Linux
>>>>> - pick your distro - better than the competition.
>>> 
>>>> Maybe free development tools but other than that and highly
>>>> specialized applications like super computers, Linux is a huge step
>>>> backwards.
>>> 
>>>> And they know this.
>>>> This is the reason they run from challenges like yours.
>>>> The herd prefers to spout on and on about how Linux is superior but
>>>> they run like hell when asked to back up their claims.
>>> 
>>> For me, the desktop is one of the major *draws* of Linux (or *BSD).
>>> Not for available commercial apps, or for some newfangled way of arranging
>>> pretty icons, or whatever the hell MS has on their mind at the moment; but
>>> the way the X desktop suits my workflow much better than windows or mack.
> 
>> Mack makes trucks... not computers.
> 
>> But seriously, I would love to see some of these things desktop Linux does
>> so well.
> 
> Well, it's not all just about Linux.  I use vi as my editor.  That's
> not so much a linux thing as a unix thing, but vi is available for
> Win and Mac too, so it's not just Linux.

I used to use vi back in the late '80s and early '90s. I realize vi is a
text editor, but I could never understand why the Unix machines did not have
a word processor even half as decent as AppleWorks on the Apple IIe. Always
seemed weird to me.

> But it's just always there under Linux; if it's not there for whatever reason,
> all hell breaks loose on the internet and pretty soon it's there again :) But
> anyway, vi navigation is fantastic.  And that carries over to my newsreader
> (tin), which has similar vi navigation by default, and integrates vi itself as
> the newsreader's editor.

Used to use tin, too. Just checked: tin does not come with OS X. Drats.
Could always get it if I wanted though.

Vim comes with OS X. Never use it though.

>>> I would not want to do without virtual desktops or X copy/paste or the
>>> availability of a wide assortment of window managers.
> 
>> Why not show the advantage of this as you use it. I use full screen on OS X
>> which is tied to virtual desktops.  That integration works well. I do not
>> think it exists on any Linux system.
> 
> I can full-screen an app and still use ctrl + left/right arrow to switch
> virtual desktops, if that's what you mean.

With OS X, when you full screen an app it becomes its own "Space", the term
for virtual desktops.

By default my only complaint with OS X "Spaces" is you cannot name the
Spaces - but third party support exists for that. And, really, the complaint
is on principle - it is not as if I use virtual desktops that way.

>> One thing I do like from many of the Window managers on Linux is the ability
>> to have windows "snap" to each other. Wish OS X had that.
>>  
>>> Seriously, every time I have to go into windows for whatever reason, I
>>> feel like I'm wearing leg irons.  What?  I have to paint, right-click,
>>> select copy, right-click, select paste?  That SUCKS!  I painted it.
> 
>> You can get this ability on OS X... though certainly not what I would want.
>> And do not want my middle-click functionality taken over by paste. Yuck. But
>> to each their own.
> 
> What functionality would be taken over?  I have a crap wheel mouse, since
> you can't really find simple 3-button mice any more.  The wheel still works
> for scrolling.

Middle-click to open a link in a new tab. That is default.

I also have a programmable mouse so I use the middle click for all sorts of
other things: mostly show / hide in different software (showing or hiding
read / unread posts, or guilds and the like in graphic programs, etc.). In
video editors I generally have it set to show the whole timeline.

>>> Obviously I want to do something with it, so buffer it already.
> 
>> Again, to each their own, but why put something I want to drag and drop or
>> change the font of or otherwise modify in my clipboard? Seems absurd to me.
> 
> You don't lose that ability.  The select==copy is just for text.  But you
> don't lose the ability to right-click selected text and change its font
> or whatever, while still being able to paste the same selected (and
> reformatted) text somewhere with a middle click.

Oh, I get you can still do the other things... just would not want to
clutter my clipboard with every selection. I have a clipboard manager and
use it to find old things I copied. Good to have it so I only have things go
in there if I actually want to copy them.

To be clear: not putting down your usage - to each their own. Just
describing mine. 

>>> So yeah, middle-click paste.
> 
>> Taking away my middle-click functionality would be nasty...
> 
> Explain.

See above... use the middle click for many things. And the other buttons on
my 8-button mouse. 

>>> I don't need some super middle wheel with knobby
>>> tires and a gyro.  Just a plain old button will do thank you very much.
> 
>> Right... to open links in new tabs, for example.
> 
> Middle click still works fine for opening links in new tabs, while also
> working for pasting when in an input context such as a form field or an
> editor window or command line.

Ah, good. I knew it worked in my VM but was not sure if that was from some
translation of keys (could have checked... just didn't). That is a key usage
for middle click and would suck to have it go away.

> Some apps are broken of course, and don't
> make use of it, but most seem to work ok.

Middle click works in all browsers I know of on OS X, but some also use it
to have the stupid scroll thingy some browsers push on you. Firefox, for
example. Ick. I am sure I could turn it off if I used Firefox more and cared
to.



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#291630

On Saturday, April 25, 2015 at 11:55:39 PM UTC-6, Snit wrote:
> On 4/25/15, 9:29 PM, in article bbvhu93.fp3w@rooftop.invalid, "owl"
> <owl@rooftop.invalid> wrote:
> 
> > Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote:
> >> On 4/25/15, 8:23 PM, in article nvbhf93.gjjoe@rooftop.invalid, "owl"
> >> <owl@rooftop.invalid> wrote:
> > 
> >> ...
> >>  
> >>>>>> I sure can't find a single one.
> >>>>> 
> >>>>> My challenge has been to show a task that is handled better on desktop
> >>>>> Linux
> >>>>> - pick your distro - better than the competition.
> >>> 
> >>>> Maybe free development tools but other than that and highly
> >>>> specialized applications like super computers, Linux is a huge step
> >>>> backwards.
> >>> 
> >>>> And they know this.
> >>>> This is the reason they run from challenges like yours.
> >>>> The herd prefers to spout on and on about how Linux is superior but
> >>>> they run like hell when asked to back up their claims.
> >>> 
> >>> For me, the desktop is one of the major *draws* of Linux (or *BSD).
> >>> Not for available commercial apps, or for some newfangled way of arranging
> >>> pretty icons, or whatever the hell MS has on their mind at the moment; but
> >>> the way the X desktop suits my workflow much better than windows or mack.
> > 
> >> Mack makes trucks... not computers.
> > 
> >> But seriously, I would love to see some of these things desktop Linux does
> >> so well.
> > 
> > Well, it's not all just about Linux.  I use vi as my editor.  That's
> > not so much a linux thing as a unix thing, but vi is available for
> > Win and Mac too, so it's not just Linux.
> 
> I used to use vi back in the late '80s and early '90s. I realize vi is a
> text editor, but I could never understand why the Unix machines did not have
> a word processor even half as decent as AppleWorks on the Apple IIe. Always
> seemed weird to me.

With "decent" strictly meaning: Usable by the masses.
 
I used Unix at work during that period, I also had an Apple IIe (and a IIGS). With respect to the task of word processing, even versions of vi from that period kicked the snot out of Appleworks (any version), but they wailed the livin' tar out of the early versions that ran on an Apple IIe. 

When placed in the context of reality, your statement should read:

'I could never understand why the Unix machines did not have a word processor that was palatable to (or usable by) the masses the way AppleWorks on the Apple IIe was.'

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#291716

On 4/26/2015 12:29 AM, owl wrote:

> Well, it's not all just about Linux.  I use vi as my editor.  That's
> not so much a linux thing as a unix thing, but vi is available for
> Win and Mac too, so it's not just Linux.  But it's just always there
> under Linux; if it's not there for whatever reason, all hell breaks
> loose on the internet and pretty soon it's there again :) But anyway,
> vi navigation is fantastic.  And that carries over to my newsreader (tin),
> which has similar vi navigation by default, and integrates vi itself
> as the newsreader's editor.


geeeekkkkkk!!!

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#291719

DFS <nospam@dfs.com> wrote:
> On 4/26/2015 12:29 AM, owl wrote:

>> Well, it's not all just about Linux.  I use vi as my editor.  That's
>> not so much a linux thing as a unix thing, but vi is available for
>> Win and Mac too, so it's not just Linux.  But it's just always there
>> under Linux; if it's not there for whatever reason, all hell breaks
>> loose on the internet and pretty soon it's there again :) But anyway,
>> vi navigation is fantastic.  And that carries over to my newsreader (tin),
>> which has similar vi navigation by default, and integrates vi itself
>> as the newsreader's editor.


> geeeekkkkkk!!!

Funny you should say that.  One of the neighbor's ch1ckens has decided
to spend nights on my grill on the back p0rch.  I guess she has resigned
herself to her f4te.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geek_show

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