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Re: Linux 30% slower bullshit

From Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com>
Newsgroups comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject Re: Linux 30% slower bullshit
Date 2015-04-25 22:55 -0700
Message-ID <D161CBE3.4ACB3%usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> (permalink)
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On 4/25/15, 9:29 PM, in article bbvhu93.fp3w@rooftop.invalid, "owl"
<owl@rooftop.invalid> wrote:

> Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote:
>> On 4/25/15, 8:23 PM, in article nvbhf93.gjjoe@rooftop.invalid, "owl"
>> <owl@rooftop.invalid> wrote:
> 
>> ...
>>  
>>>>>> I sure can't find a single one.
>>>>> 
>>>>> My challenge has been to show a task that is handled better on desktop
>>>>> Linux
>>>>> - pick your distro - better than the competition.
>>> 
>>>> Maybe free development tools but other than that and highly
>>>> specialized applications like super computers, Linux is a huge step
>>>> backwards.
>>> 
>>>> And they know this.
>>>> This is the reason they run from challenges like yours.
>>>> The herd prefers to spout on and on about how Linux is superior but
>>>> they run like hell when asked to back up their claims.
>>> 
>>> For me, the desktop is one of the major *draws* of Linux (or *BSD).
>>> Not for available commercial apps, or for some newfangled way of arranging
>>> pretty icons, or whatever the hell MS has on their mind at the moment; but
>>> the way the X desktop suits my workflow much better than windows or mack.
> 
>> Mack makes trucks... not computers.
> 
>> But seriously, I would love to see some of these things desktop Linux does
>> so well.
> 
> Well, it's not all just about Linux.  I use vi as my editor.  That's
> not so much a linux thing as a unix thing, but vi is available for
> Win and Mac too, so it's not just Linux.

I used to use vi back in the late '80s and early '90s. I realize vi is a
text editor, but I could never understand why the Unix machines did not have
a word processor even half as decent as AppleWorks on the Apple IIe. Always
seemed weird to me.

> But it's just always there under Linux; if it's not there for whatever reason,
> all hell breaks loose on the internet and pretty soon it's there again :) But
> anyway, vi navigation is fantastic.  And that carries over to my newsreader
> (tin), which has similar vi navigation by default, and integrates vi itself as
> the newsreader's editor.

Used to use tin, too. Just checked: tin does not come with OS X. Drats.
Could always get it if I wanted though.

Vim comes with OS X. Never use it though.

>>> I would not want to do without virtual desktops or X copy/paste or the
>>> availability of a wide assortment of window managers.
> 
>> Why not show the advantage of this as you use it. I use full screen on OS X
>> which is tied to virtual desktops.  That integration works well. I do not
>> think it exists on any Linux system.
> 
> I can full-screen an app and still use ctrl + left/right arrow to switch
> virtual desktops, if that's what you mean.

With OS X, when you full screen an app it becomes its own "Space", the term
for virtual desktops.

By default my only complaint with OS X "Spaces" is you cannot name the
Spaces - but third party support exists for that. And, really, the complaint
is on principle - it is not as if I use virtual desktops that way.

>> One thing I do like from many of the Window managers on Linux is the ability
>> to have windows "snap" to each other. Wish OS X had that.
>>  
>>> Seriously, every time I have to go into windows for whatever reason, I
>>> feel like I'm wearing leg irons.  What?  I have to paint, right-click,
>>> select copy, right-click, select paste?  That SUCKS!  I painted it.
> 
>> You can get this ability on OS X... though certainly not what I would want.
>> And do not want my middle-click functionality taken over by paste. Yuck. But
>> to each their own.
> 
> What functionality would be taken over?  I have a crap wheel mouse, since
> you can't really find simple 3-button mice any more.  The wheel still works
> for scrolling.

Middle-click to open a link in a new tab. That is default.

I also have a programmable mouse so I use the middle click for all sorts of
other things: mostly show / hide in different software (showing or hiding
read / unread posts, or guilds and the like in graphic programs, etc.). In
video editors I generally have it set to show the whole timeline.

>>> Obviously I want to do something with it, so buffer it already.
> 
>> Again, to each their own, but why put something I want to drag and drop or
>> change the font of or otherwise modify in my clipboard? Seems absurd to me.
> 
> You don't lose that ability.  The select==copy is just for text.  But you
> don't lose the ability to right-click selected text and change its font
> or whatever, while still being able to paste the same selected (and
> reformatted) text somewhere with a middle click.

Oh, I get you can still do the other things... just would not want to
clutter my clipboard with every selection. I have a clipboard manager and
use it to find old things I copied. Good to have it so I only have things go
in there if I actually want to copy them.

To be clear: not putting down your usage - to each their own. Just
describing mine. 

>>> So yeah, middle-click paste.
> 
>> Taking away my middle-click functionality would be nasty...
> 
> Explain.

See above... use the middle click for many things. And the other buttons on
my 8-button mouse. 

>>> I don't need some super middle wheel with knobby
>>> tires and a gyro.  Just a plain old button will do thank you very much.
> 
>> Right... to open links in new tabs, for example.
> 
> Middle click still works fine for opening links in new tabs, while also
> working for pasting when in an input context such as a form field or an
> editor window or command line.

Ah, good. I knew it worked in my VM but was not sure if that was from some
translation of keys (could have checked... just didn't). That is a key usage
for middle click and would suck to have it go away.

> Some apps are broken of course, and don't
> make use of it, but most seem to work ok.

Middle click works in all browsers I know of on OS X, but some also use it
to have the stupid scroll thingy some browsers push on you. Firefox, for
example. Ick. I am sure I could turn it off if I used Firefox more and cared
to.



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