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  Wide Variety of Wines? RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2014-05-07 11:04 +0000
    Re: Wide Variety of Wines? Hadron<hadronquark@gmail.com> - 2014-05-07 13:22 +0200
      Re: Wide Variety of Wines? Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2014-05-07 14:18 +0200
        Re: Wide Variety of Wines? RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2014-05-07 12:32 +0000
          Re: Wide Variety of Wines? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2014-05-07 08:34 -0700
          Re: Wide Variety of Wines? -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2014-05-08 06:17 -0700
            Re: Wide Variety of Wines? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2014-05-08 07:54 -0700
            Re: Wide Variety of Wines? 	flatfish+++ <phlatphish@yahoo.com> - 2014-05-08 10:55 -0400
              Re: Wide Variety of Wines? Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2014-05-08 10:12 -0700
                Re: Wide Variety of Wines? -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2014-05-08 13:32 -0700
        Re: Wide Variety of Wines? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2014-05-07 08:35 -0700
        Re: Wide Variety of Wines? chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2014-05-07 11:31 -0500
          Re: Wide Variety of Wines? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2014-05-07 09:50 -0700
            Re: Wide Variety of Wines? Steve Carroll <fretwizzen@gmail.com> - 2014-05-07 13:18 -0700
          Re: Wide Variety of Wines? RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2014-05-07 23:59 +0000
            Re: Wide Variety of Wines? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2014-05-07 17:03 -0700
            Re: Wide Variety of Wines? chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2014-05-08 07:08 -0500
              Re: Wide Variety of Wines? DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2014-05-08 08:47 -0400
              Re: Wide Variety of Wines? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2014-05-08 07:55 -0700
                Re: Wide Variety of Wines? Steve Carroll <fretwizzen@gmail.com> - 2014-05-09 10:50 -0700
    Re: Wide Variety of Wines? Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2014-05-07 08:06 -0400
    Re: Wide Variety of Wines? DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2014-05-07 10:14 -0400
      Re: Wide Variety of Wines? -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2014-05-08 06:22 -0700
    Re: Wide Variety of Wines? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2014-05-07 08:34 -0700
    Re: Wide Variety of Wines? "Poisoned by Win 8.1" <trigonometry1972@gmail.com> - 2014-05-07 09:05 -0700
      Re: Wide Variety of Wines? chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2014-05-08 07:15 -0500
        Re: Wide Variety of Wines? 	flatfish+++ <phlatphish@yahoo.com> - 2014-05-08 08:23 -0400
          Re: Wide Variety of Wines? "Poisoned by Win 8.1" <trigonometry1972@gmail.com> - 2014-05-08 13:03 -0700
            Re: Wide Variety of Wines? Silver Slimer <slvrslmr@lv.c> - 2014-05-08 18:12 -0400
              Re: Wide Variety of Wines? "Poisoned by Win 8.1" <trigonometry1972@gmail.com> - 2014-05-08 22:56 -0700
                Re: Wide Variety of Wines? Silver Slimer <slvrslmr@lv.c> - 2014-05-09 09:11 -0400
                  Re: Wide Variety of Wines? "Poisoned by Win 8.1" <trigonometry1972@gmail.com> - 2014-05-09 08:15 -0700
                    Re: Wide Variety of Wines? DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2014-05-09 11:29 -0400
                    Re: Wide Variety of Wines? Steve Carroll <fretwizzen@gmail.com> - 2014-05-09 10:49 -0700
        Re: Wide Variety of Wines? "Poisoned by Win 8.1" <trigonometry1972@gmail.com> - 2014-05-08 13:15 -0700

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#242286 — Wide Variety of Wines?

This poor wine store just doesn't "get it." 

http://www.winevista.net/

"At Wine Vista liquor store in Somerset, N.J., we stock a wide variety of 
wine,..." 

Don't they know that too many choices are "bad" and that a "wide variety 
of wine" will only "confuse their customers?" I mean, let's get with it, 
people! A wine store should only provide one or (at most) two brands of 
wine ... like the WinDrones and iCultists want for operating systems ... 
Windows and Mac OSX ... the Ripple and Thunderbird of the OS world.

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#242288

RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> writes:

> This poor wine store just doesn't "get it." 
>
> http://www.winevista.net/
>
> "At Wine Vista liquor store in Somerset, N.J., we stock a wide variety of 
> wine,..." 
>
> Don't they know that too many choices are "bad" and that a "wide variety 
> of wine" will only "confuse their customers?" I mean, let's get with it, 
> people! A wine store should only provide one or (at most) two brands of 
> wine ... like the WinDrones and iCultists want for operating systems ... 
> Windows and Mac OSX ... the Ripple and Thunderbird of the OS world.

Oh jesus. What a terrible terrible analogy.

But tell me wRonG : how many of the wines are of the same year, same
grape from the same supplier? How many of them are not tested and
assessed for quality before selling?

You really are a fucking idiot.


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#242293

Hadron wrote:

> RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> writes:
> 
>> This poor wine store just doesn't "get it."
>>
>> http://www.winevista.net/
>>
>> "At Wine Vista liquor store in Somerset, N.J., we stock a wide variety of
>> wine,..."
>>
>> Don't they know that too many choices are "bad" and that a "wide variety
>> of wine" will only "confuse their customers?" I mean, let's get with it,
>> people! A wine store should only provide one or (at most) two brands of
>> wine ... like the WinDrones and iCultists want for operating systems ...
>> Windows and Mac OSX ... the Ripple and Thunderbird of the OS world.
> 
> Oh jesus. What a terrible terrible analogy.
> 
> But tell me wRonG : how many of the wines are of the same year, same
> grape from the same supplier? How many of them are not tested and
> assessed for quality before selling?

All those criteria are completely irrelevant.
It is still "choice". Something blithering idiots like you simply can't 
handle. And because you are such a stupid lying imbecile, you want to limit 
choice for everyone else too

> You really are a fucking idiot.
> 

Hilarious 

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#242296

On Wed, 07 May 2014 14:18:14 +0200, Peter Köhlmann wrote:

> All those criteria are completely irrelevant.
> It is still "choice". Something blithering idiots like you simply can't
> handle. And because you are such a stupid lying imbecile, you want to
> limit choice for everyone else too

Exactly. So we're supposed to be sophisticated enough to choose our wine 
(hypothetically speaking in my case) but not sophisticated enough to 
choose our distribution of Linux? Why do people choose certain wines (or 
sandwiches, or whatever ... on taste? or what's good for them? or what 
goes best with what? We make the same kinds of decisions when we choose 
our Linux distribution. I chose Linux Mint Mate because it's super easy to 
install, works well on my "ancient" hardware and I like it's simplicity 
and wide variety of applications (inherited from Ubuntu). When I was 
considering the possibility of using Linux to make my living, I chose 
CentOS because it was Red Hat and that's what most businesses used at the 
time. At the time I didn't mind that, like Red Hat, CentOS really wasn't 
designed for the desktop, that it took a little extra work to get it 
completely up and running for that purpose. But the situation changed and 
my tastes changed. From CentOS to Vector Linux to Linux Mint. I didn't 
like some of the decisions Vector Linux made in their (at the time) newest 
version -- so I used my ability to CHOOSE another distribution and went 
with Linux Mint. I've been using Linux Mint for about three or four years 
now and, unless they completely veer off course, this is where I'll 
probably stay ... unless a new distribution comes along that really fits 
my tastes better.

Choice is fantastic. Only (Win)Drones and (i)Cultists like to be told what 
to do.

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#242334

On 5/7/14, 5:32 AM, in article lkd95c$kuc$6@dont-email.me, "RonB"
<ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Wed, 07 May 2014 14:18:14 +0200, Peter Köhlmann wrote:
> 
>> All those criteria are completely irrelevant.
>> It is still "choice". Something blithering idiots like you simply can't
>> handle. And because you are such a stupid lying imbecile, you want to
>> limit choice for everyone else too
> 
> Exactly. So we're supposed to be sophisticated enough to choose our wine
> (hypothetically speaking in my case) but not sophisticated enough to
> choose our distribution of Linux? Why do people choose certain wines (or
> sandwiches, or whatever ... on taste? or what's good for them? or what
> goes best with what? We make the same kinds of decisions when we choose
> our Linux distribution. I chose Linux Mint Mate because it's super easy to
> install, works well on my "ancient" hardware and I like it's simplicity
> and wide variety of applications (inherited from Ubuntu). When I was
> considering the possibility of using Linux to make my living, I chose
> CentOS because it was Red Hat and that's what most businesses used at the
> time. At the time I didn't mind that, like Red Hat, CentOS really wasn't
> designed for the desktop, that it took a little extra work to get it
> completely up and running for that purpose. But the situation changed and
> my tastes changed. From CentOS to Vector Linux to Linux Mint. I didn't
> like some of the decisions Vector Linux made in their (at the time) newest
> version -- so I used my ability to CHOOSE another distribution and went
> with Linux Mint. I've been using Linux Mint for about three or four years
> now and, unless they completely veer off course, this is where I'll
> probably stay ... unless a new distribution comes along that really fits
> my tastes better.
> 
> Choice is fantastic. Only (Win)Drones and (i)Cultists like to be told what
> to do.

False analogy.

First: to get the "less than 2%" usage rates you would need to be combining
hundreds of different wines into one group.

Second: there would only be a couple of other common options (Windows Wine
and OS X Wine). 

Third: Linux Wine would have been marketed by Walmart, Dell, HP, and others.

Forth: Linux Wine would have to be freely available at home... maybe taps
would be hot, cold, and Linux Wine.

And with all of that, still less than 2% usage... with people preferring
Windows Wine and OS X Wine.

That is a failure of Linux. It is failing. No need to blame the boogieman.


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#242552

RonB wrote:
> Peter Köhlmann wrote:
> 
> > All those criteria are completely irrelevant.
> 
> > It is still "choice". Something blithering idiots like you simply can't
> > handle. And because you are such a stupid lying imbecile, you want to
> > limit choice for everyone else too
> 
> 
> Exactly. So we're supposed to be sophisticated enough to choose our wine 
> (hypothetically speaking in my case) but not sophisticated enough to 
> choose our distribution of Linux? 

No.   

First, there's the disingenuous claim that the alledged
'anti-Linux' commenters are "Anti-Choice", which is untrue.   
The comment that has been made is that more choice isn't 
deterministically always better.  The implications of this
comment are that it thus isn't necessarily productive to
seek out more choice merely for the sake of more choice:  
there needs to be an actual, tangible benefit from it which
exceeds the law of diminishing returns.  Otherwise, you're 
basically being counterproductive and you're hurting yourself.

> Why do people choose certain wines (or sandwiches, or 
> whatever ... on taste? or what's good for them? or what  
> goes best with what?

And here's another place where RonB _almost_ understands
where he went wrong, but failed:  just as how a wine doesn't
compete against a sandwich (even though they're both *food*),
even people with the most rudementary of understanding of 
wines understands that a red isn't a white isn't a rose/blush,
and so forth, so the "market" really isn't XX hundred choices
wide, but rather consists of many small subset groups within
which such choices are made. 

Case in point:  if you're shopping for a QmP Reisling, the 
dozens of Cabernet Savignons are all totally ignored, regardless 
of if they're from California, Chile, Australia, France, etc.

> We make the same kinds of decisions when we choose 
> our Linux distribution.

Indeed, for all of the world's other "competing" products which
incorporate some silicon chips on boards inside of a case are
promptly ignored when shopping for a PC, regardless of if it 
happened to be an iPod, a cellphone, a GPS, an Automobile, TV, 
Dishwasher, or a home thermostat.  However, when it was a Mac
or a Windows PC, one did have to actually pause for a moment to
contemplate its suitability to the requirement.  

Of course, in the typical case of the Linux fanboy, this pause 
is classically quite brief:  they're either too expensive for
his budget, or something that he will refuse to ever objectively
consider on 'religious' grounds, or both.     

Oh, and one final thing:

http://www.winevista.net/ 

Per their website, they offer 44 different beers, which is 
less than 2% of the available selections in this product 
segment (minimum that I'm personally aware of).  As such, 
I'd hardly characterize them as having a "wide variety".

Similarly, the 29 supposed types of wines that they list
is a deceptive list because it has multiple metrics which
overlap.  For example, a California Merlot typically is
made of Cabernet Savignon & Cabernet Frac grapes, so this
one bottle would qualify to be categorized as:

- Domestic (Region)
- California (Region)
- Red Blend (grape composition)
- Merlot (style)

As such, there's a lot less 'choice' than what meets the eye.


-hh

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#242561

On 5/8/14, 6:17 AM, in article
d009473b-a2cd-457c-a6ac-6ca23aea3cab@googlegroups.com, "-hh"
<recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> wrote:

> RonB wrote:
>> Peter Köhlmann wrote:
>> 
>>> All those criteria are completely irrelevant.
>> 
>>> It is still "choice". Something blithering idiots like you simply can't
>>> handle. And because you are such a stupid lying imbecile, you want to
>>> limit choice for everyone else too
>> 
>> 
>> Exactly. So we're supposed to be sophisticated enough to choose our wine
>> (hypothetically speaking in my case) but not sophisticated enough to
>> choose our distribution of Linux?
> 
> No.   
> 
> First, there's the disingenuous claim that the alledged
> 'anti-Linux' commenters are "Anti-Choice", which is untrue.

It is the exact opposite of truth, at least in my case. Then again, I am
also not anti-Linux... that, too, is a lie the herd tells.
 
> The comment that has been made is that more choice isn't
> deterministically always better.  The implications of this
> comment are that it thus isn't necessarily productive to
> seek out more choice merely for the sake of more choice:
> there needs to be an actual, tangible benefit from it which
> exceeds the law of diminishing returns.  Otherwise, you're
> basically being counterproductive and you're hurting yourself.

Essentially my view as well.

>> Why do people choose certain wines (or sandwiches, or
>> whatever ... on taste? or what's good for them? or what
>> goes best with what?
> 
> And here's another place where RonB _almost_ understands
> where he went wrong, but failed:  just as how a wine doesn't
> compete against a sandwich (even though they're both *food*),
> even people with the most rudementary of understanding of
> wines understands that a red isn't a white isn't a rose/blush,
> and so forth, so the "market" really isn't XX hundred choices
> wide, but rather consists of many small subset groups within
> which such choices are made.

Well, there are many, many red wines. Of course, if 100 of the 102 choices
used the same vineyard and the same grape variety and the same basic process
but differed only in who packaged them and some other details such as how
they were aged this would be absurd.

But that is what we have with desktop Linux. Same basic product with a
different DE and a few other option and then different people packaging it.

...


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#242562

On Thu, 8 May 2014 06:17:25 -0700 (PDT), -hh wrote:

> RonB wrote:
>> Peter Köhlmann wrote:
>> 
>>> All those criteria are completely irrelevant.
>> 
>>> It is still "choice". Something blithering idiots like you simply can't
>>> handle. And because you are such a stupid lying imbecile, you want to
>>> limit choice for everyone else too
>> 
>> 
>> Exactly. So we're supposed to be sophisticated enough to choose our wine 
>> (hypothetically speaking in my case) but not sophisticated enough to 
>> choose our distribution of Linux? 
> 
> No.   
> 
> First, there's the disingenuous claim that the alledged
> 'anti-Linux' commenters are "Anti-Choice", which is untrue.   
> The comment that has been made is that more choice isn't 
> deterministically always better.  The implications of this
> comment are that it thus isn't necessarily productive to
> seek out more choice merely for the sake of more choice:  
> there needs to be an actual, tangible benefit from it which
> exceeds the law of diminishing returns.  Otherwise, you're 
> basically being counterproductive and you're hurting yourself.
> 
>> Why do people choose certain wines (or sandwiches, or 
>> whatever ... on taste? or what's good for them? or what  
>> goes best with what?
> 
> And here's another place where RonB _almost_ understands
> where he went wrong, but failed:  just as how a wine doesn't
> compete against a sandwich (even though they're both *food*),
> even people with the most rudementary of understanding of 
> wines understands that a red isn't a white isn't a rose/blush,
> and so forth, so the "market" really isn't XX hundred choices
> wide, but rather consists of many small subset groups within
> which such choices are made. 
> 
> Case in point:  if you're shopping for a QmP Reisling, the 
> dozens of Cabernet Savignons are all totally ignored, regardless 
> of if they're from California, Chile, Australia, France, etc.
> 
>> We make the same kinds of decisions when we choose 
>> our Linux distribution.
> 
> Indeed, for all of the world's other "competing" products which
> incorporate some silicon chips on boards inside of a case are
> promptly ignored when shopping for a PC, regardless of if it 
> happened to be an iPod, a cellphone, a GPS, an Automobile, TV, 
> Dishwasher, or a home thermostat.  However, when it was a Mac
> or a Windows PC, one did have to actually pause for a moment to
> contemplate its suitability to the requirement.  
> 
> Of course, in the typical case of the Linux fanboy, this pause 
> is classically quite brief:  they're either too expensive for
> his budget, or something that he will refuse to ever objectively
> consider on 'religious' grounds, or both.     
> 
> Oh, and one final thing:
> 
> http://www.winevista.net/ 
> 
> Per their website, they offer 44 different beers, which is 
> less than 2% of the available selections in this product 
> segment (minimum that I'm personally aware of).  As such, 
> I'd hardly characterize them as having a "wide variety".
> 
> Similarly, the 29 supposed types of wines that they list
> is a deceptive list because it has multiple metrics which
> overlap.  For example, a California Merlot typically is
> made of Cabernet Savignon & Cabernet Frac grapes, so this
> one bottle would qualify to be categorized as:
> 
> - Domestic (Region)
> - California (Region)
> - Red Blend (grape composition)
> - Merlot (style)
> 
> As such, there's a lot less 'choice' than what meets the eye.
> 
> 
> -hh

You've explained it well hh.
I doubt the Linux advocates will turn off their tunnel vision for a
moment to absorb what you have written.

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#242606

On Thursday, May 8, 2014 8:55:47 AM UTC-6, flatfish+++ wrote:
> On Thu, 8 May 2014 06:17:25 -0700 (PDT), -hh wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> > RonB wrote:
> 
> >> Peter K�hlmann wrote:
> 
> >> 
> 
> >>> All those criteria are completely irrelevant.
> 
> >> 
> 
> >>> It is still "choice". Something blithering idiots like you simply can't
> 
> >>> handle. And because you are such a stupid lying imbecile, you want to
> 
> >>> limit choice for everyone else too
> 
> >> 
> 
> >> 
> 
> >> Exactly. So we're supposed to be sophisticated enough to choose our wine 
> 
> >> (hypothetically speaking in my case) but not sophisticated enough to 
> 
> >> choose our distribution of Linux? 
> 
> > 
> 
> > No.   

I agree with your "No" as this obviously doesn't apply to the "we" Ron is in reference to here: people such as those found in forums like COLA (not the 'average desktop OS user in general').

 
> > First, there's the disingenuous claim that the alledged
> 
> > 'anti-Linux' commenters are "Anti-Choice", which is untrue.   

It's bull.


> > The comment that has been made is that more choice isn't 
> 
> > deterministically always better.  The implications of this
> 
> > comment are that it thus isn't necessarily productive to
> 
> > seek out more choice merely for the sake of more choice:  
> 
> > there needs to be an actual, tangible benefit from it which
> 
> > exceeds the law of diminishing returns.  Otherwise, you're 
> 
> > basically being counterproductive and you're hurting yourself.

For the group he's talking about, the more distros, the better; their hobby of checking them all out, tweaking things, etc.  will, if anything, be enhanced by a larger number. 

 
> >> Why do people choose certain wines (or sandwiches, or 
> 
> >> whatever ... on taste? or what's good for them? or what  
> 
> >> goes best with what?
> 
> > 
> 
> > And here's another place where RonB _almost_ understands
> 
> > where he went wrong, but failed:  just as how a wine doesn't
> 
> > compete against a sandwich (even though they're both *food*),
> 
> > even people with the most rudementary of understanding of 
> 
> > wines understands that a red isn't a white isn't a rose/blush,
> 
> > and so forth, so the "market" really isn't XX hundred choices
> 
> > wide, but rather consists of many small subset groups within
> 
> > which such choices are made. 

Hmmm... sounds a lot like Linux distros to me ;)

Seriously, you guys are talking about 2 different groups of users here. 

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#242652

Steve Carroll wrote:
> flatfish+++ wrote:
> >  -hh wrote:
> 
> > > RonB wrote:
> > >>
> > >> Exactly. So we're supposed to be sophisticated 
> > >> enough to choose our wine (hypothetically speaking
> > >> in my case) but not sophisticated enough to 
> > >> choose our distribution of Linux? 
> > 
> 
> > > No. 
> 
> I agree with your "No" as this obviously doesn't
> apply to the "we" Ron is in reference to here: 
> people such as those found in forums like COLA
> (not the 'average desktop OS user in general').

Well taken, although there's a lot of political
extremists theses days who similarly have their 
head wedged up their echo chamber too.

> > > First, there's the disingenuous claim that the alledged
> > > 'anti-Linux' commenters are "Anti-Choice", which is untrue.   
> 
> It's bull.

Exactly, but this is simply lame Linux propoganda that's based
on the hopes that if you repeat a lie often enough, people will
believe that it is true.  As such, their lie needs to be pretty
regularly pointed out as the lie that it is.

 
> > > The comment that has been made is that more choice isn't 
> > > deterministically always better.  The implications of this
> > > comment are that it thus isn't necessarily productive to
> > > seek out more choice merely for the sake of more choice:  
> > > there needs to be an actual, tangible benefit from it which
> > > exceeds the law of diminishing returns.  Otherwise, you're 
> > > basically being counterproductive and you're hurting yourself.
> 
> For the group he's talking about, the more distros, the
> better; their hobby of checking them all out, tweaking 
> things, etc.  will, if anything, be enhanced by a larger number. 

True enough, but that use case is ... well, perhaps maybe as
may as 1,426 people across the entire world.  As such, it can
be relatively safetly ignored as meaningful.

> > >> Why do people choose certain wines (or sandwiches, or 
> > >> whatever ... on taste? or what's good for them? or what  
> > >> goes best with what?
> 
> > > And here's another place where RonB _almost_ understands
> > > where he went wrong, but failed:  just as how a wine doesn't
> > > compete against a sandwich (even though they're both *food*),
> > > even people with the most rudementary of understanding of 
> > > wines understands that a red isn't a white isn't a rose/blush,
> > > and so forth, so the "market" really isn't XX hundred choices
> > > wide, but rather consists of many small subset groups within
> > > which such choices are made. 
> 
> Hmmm... sounds a lot like Linux distros to me ;)

In a way it is ... and when one applies common sense and walk
into a Parisian Brasserie for lunch, one simply says "Vin Blanc" 
and you get the house white in a caraffe ... no fancy label, 
cork, vintage, etc ... because it is simply an everyday 
commodity that's not worth a normal person's time to get 
worked up about because its _just_ lunch:


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-hh

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#242338

On 5/7/14, 5:18 AM, in article lkd8a6$1f5$1@dont-email.me, "Peter Köhlmann"
<peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> wrote:

> Hadron wrote:
> 
>> RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> writes:
>> 
>>> This poor wine store just doesn't "get it."
>>> 
>>> http://www.winevista.net/
>>> 
>>> "At Wine Vista liquor store in Somerset, N.J., we stock a wide variety of
>>> wine,..."
>>> 
>>> Don't they know that too many choices are "bad" and that a "wide variety
>>> of wine" will only "confuse their customers?" I mean, let's get with it,
>>> people! A wine store should only provide one or (at most) two brands of
>>> wine ... like the WinDrones and iCultists want for operating systems ...
>>> Windows and Mac OSX ... the Ripple and Thunderbird of the OS world.
>> 
>> Oh jesus. What a terrible terrible analogy.
>> 
>> But tell me wRonG : how many of the wines are of the same year, same
>> grape from the same supplier? How many of them are not tested and
>> assessed for quality before selling?
> 
> All those criteria are completely irrelevant.
> It is still "choice". Something blithering idiots like you simply can't
> handle. And because you are such a stupid lying imbecile, you want to limit
> choice for everyone else too
> 
>> You really are a fucking idiot.
>> 
> 
> Hilarious 
> 

Who is suggesting there should be limits on choice?


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#242360

Peter Köhlmann wrote:

> Hadron quacked:
>> 
>> Oh jesus. What a terrible terrible analogy.

Oh jesus.  What fscking jackasshole you are, Larry.
 
>> But tell me wRonG : how many of the wines are of the same year, same
>> grape from the same supplier? How many of them are not tested and
>> assessed for quality before selling?

So, your claim is that FOSS is generally "not tested and accessed for
quality" before releasing, you lying POS?

Tell us, "true Linux advocate", which FOSS projects of any
significance have not been tested and assessed for quality.

With all the updates that Windwoes requires, can we conclude that it
has not been tested and assessed for quality?

>All those criteria are completely irrelevant.
>It is still "choice". Something blithering idiots like you simply can't 
>handle. And because you are such a stupid lying imbecile, you want to limit 
>choice for everyone else too

Larry knows that our simple and correct logic demonstrates what lying
imbeciles he and his pal Kreep are.  Wine is an excellent example,
with so much choice that it's impossible, really, for anyone to know
what the "best wine" for them is.  But people manage.  They still buy
wine, and they find some choices that work well-enough for them.

No "dictator" or "committee" required.

Just like all Free markets.

>> You really are a fucking idiot.
>
>Hilarious 

In Larry's upside-down, lies-are-truth world, people who want others
to make their choices for them are the smart ones, and people who
prefer to make their own choices are "brain dead".

-- 
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options (leather seats, etc) and flavors of jams/ice-cream.'  -
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#242366

On 5/7/14, 9:31 AM, in article 7rmkm9pkfq4t8m44p7t7oko61hi9juakd9@4ax.com,
"chrisv" <chrisv@nospam.invalid> wrote:

> Peter Köhlmann wrote:
> 
>> Hadron quacked:
>>> 
>>> Oh jesus. What a terrible terrible analogy.
> 
> Oh jesus.  What fscking jackasshole you are, Larry.
>  
>>> But tell me wRonG : how many of the wines are of the same year, same
>>> grape from the same supplier? How many of them are not tested and
>>> assessed for quality before selling?
> 
> So, your claim is that FOSS is generally "not tested and accessed for
> quality" before releasing, you lying POS?

Look at the videos I show in my .sig.

Look at the bug reports I submitted - dozens... with few duplicates from
others. This stuff is clearly not tested well (this was KDE specifically).

> Tell us, "true Linux advocate", which FOSS projects of any
> significance have not been tested and assessed for quality.
> 
> With all the updates that Windwoes requires, can we conclude that it
> has not been tested and assessed for quality?
> 
>> All those criteria are completely irrelevant.
>> It is still "choice". Something blithering idiots like you simply can't
>> handle. And because you are such a stupid lying imbecile, you want to limit
>> choice for everyone else too
> 
> Larry knows that our simple and correct logic demonstrates what lying
> imbeciles he and his pal Kreep are.  Wine is an excellent example,
> with so much choice that it's impossible, really, for anyone to know
> what the "best wine" for them is.  But people manage.  They still buy
> wine, and they find some choices that work well-enough for them.
> 
> No "dictator" or "committee" required.
> 
> Just like all Free markets.

Desktop Linux has, so far, failed in the free market because of its lack of
quality and choice. You blame the boogieman.

>>> You really are a fucking idiot.
>> 
>> Hilarious 
> 
> In Larry's upside-down, lies-are-truth world, people who want others
> to make their choices for them are the smart ones, and people who
> prefer to make their own choices are "brain dead".

This is a complete lie.

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#242429

On Wednesday, May 7, 2014 4:50:32 PM UTC, Snit wrote:
> On 5/7/14, 9:31 AM, in article 7rmkm9pkfq4t8m44p7t7oko61hi9juakd9@4ax.com,
> 
> "chrisv" <chrisv@nospam.invalid> wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> > Peter K�hlmann wrote:
> 
> > 
> 
> >> Hadron quacked:
> 
> >>> 
> 
> >>> Oh jesus. What a terrible terrible analogy.
> 
> > 
> 
> > Oh jesus.  What fscking jackasshole you are, Larry.
> 
> >  
> 
> >>> But tell me wRonG : how many of the wines are of the same year, same
> 
> >>> grape from the same supplier? How many of them are not tested and
> 
> >>> assessed for quality before selling?
> 
> > 
> 
> > So, your claim is that FOSS is generally "not tested and accessed for
> 
> > quality" before releasing, you lying POS?
> 
> 
> 
> Look at the videos I show in my .sig.
> 
> 
> 
> Look at the bug reports I submitted - dozens... with few duplicates from
> 
> others. This stuff is clearly not tested well (this was KDE specifically).

Your reports are ignored because they are submitted incorrectly and the KDE folks know you are trolling. Took them all of five minutes to figure it out. They are not as stupid as you need them to be.
 
> 
> > Tell us, "true Linux advocate", which FOSS projects of any
> 
> > significance have not been tested and assessed for quality.
> 
> > 
> 
> > With all the updates that Windwoes requires, can we conclude that it
> 
> > has not been tested and assessed for quality?
> 
> > 
> 
> >> All those criteria are completely irrelevant.
> 
> >> It is still "choice". Something blithering idiots like you simply can't
> 
> >> handle. And because you are such a stupid lying imbecile, you want to limit
> 
> >> choice for everyone else too
> 
> > 
> 
> > Larry knows that our simple and correct logic demonstrates what lying
> 
> > imbeciles he and his pal Kreep are.  Wine is an excellent example,
> 
> > with so much choice that it's impossible, really, for anyone to know
> 
> > what the "best wine" for them is.  But people manage.  They still buy
> 
> > wine, and they find some choices that work well-enough for them.
> 
> > 
> 
> > No "dictator" or "committee" required.
> 
> > 
> 
> > Just like all Free markets.
> 
> 
> 
> Desktop Linux has, so far, failed in the free market because of its lack of
> 
> quality and choice. You blame the boogieman.
> 
You blame the white man boogieman for the failure of blacks. No difference.
> 
> >>> You really are a fucking idiot.
> 
> >> 
> 
> >> Hilarious 
> 
> > 
> 
> > In Larry's upside-down, lies-are-truth world, people who want others
> 
> > to make their choices for them are the smart ones, and people who
> 
> > prefer to make their own choices are "brain dead".
> 
> 
> 
> This is a complete lie.
> 
> 
> 
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#242480

On Wed, 07 May 2014 11:31:04 -0500, chrisv wrote:

> In Larry's upside-down, lies-are-truth world, people who want others to
> make their choices for them are the smart ones, and people who prefer to
> make their own choices are "brain dead".

It all comes down to money. Microsoft makes LOTS of money, therefore any 
evil they do, any product they rush to the market in beta state, any 
hobbyware they force on their customers, any insecure Malware Magnet OS 
they thrust on the world MUST be forgiven because, after all, they make 
money. LOTS of it and that's all that matters. 

The same can be said for Apple with their insane profit margins. Even 
though Apple is now at about 12% of the world's smartphone market, they 
make more money per unit and therefore, in the upside-down "logic" of 
iCultists (and WinDrones) they are a "success." As if being reamed for a 
product is something to brag about. 

Meanwhile Linux -- in their myopic opinion -- doesn't "make money." Never 
mind Red Hat, IBM, Google, the movie studios, the web hosters, Amazon and 
the millions of embedded Linux devices, Linux doesn't make money in their 
small minds -- and that's all that matters. Greed rules them. And greed, 
by its very nature, short circuits the brain.

-- 
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Give a man a bank and he can rob the world.

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#242484

On 5/7/14, 4:59 PM, in article lkehda$3ts$7@dont-email.me, "RonB"
<ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Wed, 07 May 2014 11:31:04 -0500, chrisv wrote:
> 
>> In Larry's upside-down, lies-are-truth world, people who want others to
>> make their choices for them are the smart ones, and people who prefer to
>> make their own choices are "brain dead".
> 
> It all comes down to money.

Not to me. It comes down to what serves me best at a good price.

And below you get things backwards - from a consumer's view point it matters
how much things cost, not how much money the company makes from the
purchase. As long as the company is making enough to likely stick around and
keep improving the product how much they make is not relevant.

Still, it is fun to see how much it pisses you off. :)

> Microsoft makes LOTS of money, therefore any
> evil they do, any product they rush to the market in beta state, any
> hobbyware they force on their customers, any insecure Malware Magnet OS
> they thrust on the world MUST be forgiven because, after all, they make
> money. LOTS of it and that's all that matters.
> 
> The same can be said for Apple with their insane profit margins. Even
> though Apple is now at about 12% of the world's smartphone market, they
> make more money per unit and therefore, in the upside-down "logic" of
> iCultists (and WinDrones) they are a "success." As if being reamed for a
> product is something to brag about.

Again: what matters is how much you pay and what you get, not how much the
company makes... even if your imaginary friends tell you otherwise.

> Meanwhile Linux -- in their myopic opinion -- doesn't "make money." Never
> mind Red Hat, IBM, Google, the movie studios, the web hosters, Amazon and
> the millions of embedded Linux devices, Linux doesn't make money in their
> small minds -- and that's all that matters. Greed rules them. And greed,
> by its very nature, short circuits the brain.



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#242537

RonB wrote:

>Even 
>though Apple is now at about 12% of the world's smartphone market, they 
>make more money per unit and therefore, in the upside-down "logic" of 
>iCultists (and WinDrones) they are a "success." As if being reamed for a 
>product is something to brag about. 

From their stockholder's POV, they are quite successful.  But that
does no good for the consumer.

>Meanwhile Linux -- in their myopic opinion -- doesn't "make money."

Which is, of course, a lie.  Linux is by *far* the most used kernel,
by for-profit corporations.

-- 
"You seem to miss the point. (ChromeOS) is not and can not be a
competitor for desktop Windows."  -  "True Linux advocate" Hadron
Quark

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#242544

On 05/08/2014 08:08 AM, chrisv wrote:
> RonB wrote:
>
>> Even
>> though Apple is now at about 12% of the world's smartphone market, they
>> make more money per unit and therefore, in the upside-down "logic" of
>> iCultists (and WinDrones) they are a "success." As if being reamed for a
>> product is something to brag about.
>
>  From their stockholder's POV, they are quite successful.  But that
> does no good for the consumer.
>
>> Meanwhile Linux -- in their myopic opinion -- doesn't "make money."
>
> Which is, of course, a lie.  Linux is by *far* the most used kernel,
> by for-profit corporations.


Sez you.

Most companies have a hell of a lot more Windows desktops than Linux 
servers.

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#242563

On 5/8/14, 5:08 AM, in article uosmm9teo9sc58m36060gvqgattlfektdn@4ax.com,
"chrisv" <chrisv@nospam.invalid> wrote:

> RonB wrote:
> 
>> Even 
>> though Apple is now at about 12% of the world's smartphone market, they
>> make more money per unit and therefore, in the upside-down "logic" of
>> iCultists (and WinDrones) they are a "success." As if being reamed for a
>> product is something to brag about.
> 
> From their stockholder's POV, they are quite successful.  But that
> does no good for the consumer.
> 
>> Meanwhile Linux -- in their myopic opinion -- doesn't "make money."
> 
> Which is, of course, a lie.  Linux is by *far* the most used kernel,
> by for-profit corporations.

You keep moving goal posts from desktop Linux to Linux in general.


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#242828

On Thursday, May 8, 2014 2:55:56 PM UTC, Snit wrote:
> On 5/8/14, 5:08 AM, in article uosmm9teo9sc58m36060gvqgattlfektdn@4ax.com,
> 
> "chrisv" <chrisv@nospam.invalid> wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> > RonB wrote:
> 
> > 
> 
> >> Even 
> 
> >> though Apple is now at about 12% of the world's smartphone market, they
> 
> >> make more money per unit and therefore, in the upside-down "logic" of
> 
> >> iCultists (and WinDrones) they are a "success." As if being reamed for a
> 
> >> product is something to brag about.
> 
> > 
> 
> > From their stockholder's POV, they are quite successful.  But that
> 
> > does no good for the consumer.
> 
> > 
> 
> >> Meanwhile Linux -- in their myopic opinion -- doesn't "make money."
> 
> > 
> 
> > Which is, of course, a lie.  Linux is by *far* the most used kernel,
> 
> > by for-profit corporations.
> 
> 
> 
> You keep moving goal posts from desktop Linux to Linux in general.
> 
> 
There is more to Linux than desktop Linux idiot.
> 
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