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  Added ipod Ed Cryer <ed@somewhere.in.the.uk> - 2014-02-06 21:49 +0000
    Re: Added ipod nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-02-06 16:57 -0500
      Re: Added ipod Ed Cryer <ed@somewhere.in.the.uk> - 2014-02-06 22:13 +0000
        Re: Added ipod nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-02-06 17:29 -0500
        Re: Added ipod Zaidy036 <Zaidy036@isp.spam> - 2014-02-06 20:28 -0500
          Re: Added ipod nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-02-06 21:45 -0500
            Re: Added ipod Ed Cryer <ed@somewhere.in.the.uk> - 2014-02-07 14:29 +0000
              Re: Added ipod Ed Cryer <ed@somewhere.in.the.uk> - 2014-02-07 15:11 +0000
                Re: Added ipod Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-02-07 17:07 +0000
                Re: Added ipod nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-02-07 12:09 -0500
                  Re: Added ipod Ed Cryer <ed@somewhere.in.the.uk> - 2014-02-07 18:31 +0000
                    Re: Added ipod nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-02-07 15:43 -0500
                      Re: Added ipod Ed Cryer <ed@somewhere.in.the.uk> - 2014-02-08 17:02 +0000
                        Re: Added ipod Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-02-08 17:10 +0000
                          Re: Added ipod nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-02-08 12:54 -0500
                    Re: Added ipod Leonard Blaisdell <leoblaisdell@sbcglobal.net> - 2014-02-07 22:53 -0800
                      Re: Added ipod Ed Cryer <ed@somewhere.in.the.uk> - 2014-02-08 12:02 +0000
                        Re: Added ipod nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-02-08 12:54 -0500
                        Re: Added ipod Leonard Blaisdell <leoblaisdell@sbcglobal.net> - 2014-02-10 19:41 -0800
                          Re: Added ipod Ed Cryer <ed@somewhere.in.the.uk> - 2014-02-11 15:02 +0000
              Re: Added ipod nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-02-07 12:09 -0500
          Re: Added ipod Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-02-07 03:38 +0000
            Re: Added ipod Erilar <drache@chibardun.netinvalid> - 2014-02-07 15:40 +0000
              Re: Added ipod Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-02-07 17:08 +0000

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#30571 — Added ipod

I've just added a new ipod to my PC iTunes, which already has two iPads 
on it.
Installed with a simple "restore from last iPad backup". Worked fine.
Now I want to put lots of music onto it; but not onto the iPads.

How do I do this? Or might it be better to put it onto the lot?

Ed

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#30573

In article <ld102n$672$1@dont-email.me>, Ed Cryer
<ed@somewhere.in.the.uk> wrote:

> I've just added a new ipod to my PC iTunes, which already has two iPads 
> on it.
> Installed with a simple "restore from last iPad backup". Worked fine.
> Now I want to put lots of music onto it; but not onto the iPads.
> 
> How do I do this? Or might it be better to put it onto the lot?

when that device is connected, choose whatever music you want and then
sync.

itunes tracks each device separately.

just because it was restored from another device does not mean it must
always remain identical. it just starts off that way.

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#30574

nospam wrote:
> In article <ld102n$672$1@dont-email.me>, Ed Cryer
> <ed@somewhere.in.the.uk> wrote:
>
>> I've just added a new ipod to my PC iTunes, which already has two iPads
>> on it.
>> Installed with a simple "restore from last iPad backup". Worked fine.
>> Now I want to put lots of music onto it; but not onto the iPads.
>>
>> How do I do this? Or might it be better to put it onto the lot?
>
> when that device is connected, choose whatever music you want and then
> sync.
>
> itunes tracks each device separately.
>
> just because it was restored from another device does not mean it must
> always remain identical. it just starts off that way.
>

Thanks.
That's the case, then, for the two iPads as well?
All I have to do is simply add stuff to each device's music library, and 
it doesn't propagate to the others?

Ed

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#30575

In article <ld11fe$ehu$1@dont-email.me>, Ed Cryer
<ed@somewhere.in.the.uk> wrote:

> >> I've just added a new ipod to my PC iTunes, which already has two iPads
> >> on it.
> >> Installed with a simple "restore from last iPad backup". Worked fine.
> >> Now I want to put lots of music onto it; but not onto the iPads.
> >>
> >> How do I do this? Or might it be better to put it onto the lot?
> >
> > when that device is connected, choose whatever music you want and then
> > sync.
> >
> > itunes tracks each device separately.
> >
> > just because it was restored from another device does not mean it must
> > always remain identical. it just starts off that way.
> 
> Thanks.
> That's the case, then, for the two iPads as well?
> All I have to do is simply add stuff to each device's music library, and 
> it doesn't propagate to the others?

each device is tracked separately. whatever you put on one does not
affect what's on the others.

however, if you have it set to automatically push apps and/or music to
all devices when they're downloaded from apple, then if you buy a new
song or app, it will appear on each device, but that's a separate
option. in your case, you'll probably want that off, at least for
music.

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#30589

On 2/6/2014 5:13 PM, Ed Cryer wrote:
> nospam wrote:
>> In article <ld102n$672$1@dont-email.me>, Ed Cryer
>> <ed@somewhere.in.the.uk> wrote:
>>
>>> I've just added a new ipod to my PC iTunes, which already has two iPads
>>> on it.
>>> Installed with a simple "restore from last iPad backup". Worked fine.
>>> Now I want to put lots of music onto it; but not onto the iPads.
>>>
>>> How do I do this? Or might it be better to put it onto the lot?
>>
>> when that device is connected, choose whatever music you want and then
>> sync.
>>
>> itunes tracks each device separately.
>>
>> just because it was restored from another device does not mean it must
>> always remain identical. it just starts off that way.
>>
>
> Thanks.
> That's the case, then, for the two iPads as well?
> All I have to do is simply add stuff to each device's music library, and
> it doesn't propagate to the others?
>
> Ed
>
Each iThing should have separate name. A new device can use an older 
existing backup but then you should rename the new one and backup again 
to keep them separated.

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#30591

In article <ld1cqs$aoq$1@dont-email.me>, Zaidy036 <Zaidy036@isp.spam>
wrote:

> Each iThing should have separate name. A new device can use an older 
> existing backup but then you should rename the new one and backup again 
> to keep them separated.

that's not required, but it's helpful so the *user* can determine which
device is which.

itunes doesn't care what they're named. it will use the device id,
which is guaranteed to be unique, to distinguish between multiple
devices.

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#30611

nospam wrote:
> In article <ld1cqs$aoq$1@dont-email.me>, Zaidy036 <Zaidy036@isp.spam>
> wrote:
>
>> Each iThing should have separate name. A new device can use an older
>> existing backup but then you should rename the new one and backup again
>> to keep them separated.
>
> that's not required, but it's helpful so the *user* can determine which
> device is which.
>
> itunes doesn't care what they're named. it will use the device id,
> which is guaranteed to be unique, to distinguish between multiple
> devices.
>

We hear a lot about the marvellous way that iCloud can keep all your 
devices synced. But I don't like that. I prefer individual control. 
Exactly (so it seems) as the default setup does.

Should I ever change my mind and opt for automatic sharing, then I guess 
that would be quite an easy switch-on.

Ed

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#30612

Ed Cryer wrote:
> nospam wrote:
>> In article <ld1cqs$aoq$1@dont-email.me>, Zaidy036 <Zaidy036@isp.spam>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Each iThing should have separate name. A new device can use an older
>>> existing backup but then you should rename the new one and backup again
>>> to keep them separated.
>>
>> that's not required, but it's helpful so the *user* can determine which
>> device is which.
>>
>> itunes doesn't care what they're named. it will use the device id,
>> which is guaranteed to be unique, to distinguish between multiple
>> devices.
>>
>
> We hear a lot about the marvellous way that iCloud can keep all your
> devices synced. But I don't like that. I prefer individual control.
> Exactly (so it seems) as the default setup does.
>
> Should I ever change my mind and opt for automatic sharing, then I guess
> that would be quite an easy switch-on.
>
> Ed
>
>
>
>

Hhhmm!
This seemed quite easy in theory, but when I tried to do it I hit a snag.
How do you actually add items to individual devices in iTunes? I can 
only find "add files (or folders) to the library" and that library is 
shared across them all.

Ed

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#30619

On 2014-02-07, Ed Cryer <ed@somewhere.in.the.uk> wrote:
>
> Hhhmm!
> This seemed quite easy in theory, but when I tried to do it I hit a snag.
> How do you actually add items to individual devices in iTunes? I can 
> only find "add files (or folders) to the library" and that library is 
> shared across them all.

iTunes 101:

1. Select the device you want to manage in the left-hand side bar of
iTunes under the DEVICES section. If the device does not appear there,
then you don't have the device physically connected to the computer
running iTunes, and you don't have WiFi Sync enabled for that device. Do
either one to make it show up.

2. Click on of the tabs at the top (Apps, Tones, Music, Movies, TV Shows,
Podcasts, Books, Photos) to manage what you want to manage for
that device.

3. There is no step 3. : )

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#30622

In article <ld2t3a$ld5$1@dont-email.me>, Ed Cryer
<ed@somewhere.in.the.uk> wrote:

> This seemed quite easy in theory, but when I tried to do it I hit a snag.
> How do you actually add items to individual devices in iTunes? I can 
> only find "add files (or folders) to the library" and that library is 
> shared across them all.

in itunes, connect the device you want to work with, then click on the
device name in the left sidebar, which you may need to enable if you
haven't done so already (view menu).i don't know why it's now hidden by
default, but it is. 

you should see a summary tab of the device. next click the apps tab at
the top of that section and choose which apps you want on the device.
click on the music and other tabs for other content. 

repeat for each device you have. whatever you choose to sync will be
tracked separately.

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#30625

nospam wrote:
> In article <ld2t3a$ld5$1@dont-email.me>, Ed Cryer
> <ed@somewhere.in.the.uk> wrote:
>
>> This seemed quite easy in theory, but when I tried to do it I hit a snag.
>> How do you actually add items to individual devices in iTunes? I can
>> only find "add files (or folders) to the library" and that library is
>> shared across them all.
>
> in itunes, connect the device you want to work with, then click on the
> device name in the left sidebar, which you may need to enable if you
> haven't done so already (view menu).i don't know why it's now hidden by
> default, but it is.
>
> you should see a summary tab of the device. next click the apps tab at
> the top of that section and choose which apps you want on the device.
> click on the music and other tabs for other content.
>
> repeat for each device you have. whatever you choose to sync will be
> tracked separately.
>

Well, I figured that far myself. It's what happens from there on that 
baffles me.

It has "Entire music library" ticked (together with "include music 
videos" and "include voice memos"), and the line graph at the bottom 
shows "48.91 GB free". But when I move the tick to "Selected playlists, 
artists, albums and genres" the line graph changes to "15.85 GB free" 
and the video content accounts for the increase (about 35 GB). In 
addition I get boxes for p a a & g with all items unticked.
Weird. All I can figure is that it's suddenly decided to include all the 
films that were on the iPad save but didn't restore to the ipod.

The video contents problem is weird. I can't figure that.

The only way I can figure is this, twisted and too torturous to do.
1. Add all the music I want to the library, but then I'd have to change 
the sync settings for all devices.
2. Change video settings for all devices (what and where?)

Ed

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#30627

In article <ld38se$se$1@dont-email.me>, Ed Cryer
<ed@somewhere.in.the.uk> wrote:

> It has "Entire music library" ticked (together with "include music 
> videos" and "include voice memos"), and the line graph at the bottom 
> shows "48.91 GB free". But when I move the tick to "Selected playlists, 
> artists, albums and genres" the line graph changes to "15.85 GB free" 
> and the video content accounts for the increase (about 35 GB). In 
> addition I get boxes for p a a & g with all items unticked.
> Weird. All I can figure is that it's suddenly decided to include all the 
> films that were on the iPad save but didn't restore to the ipod.

the graph at the bottom is based on a random number generator. any
similarities to what's on your device is purely coincidental. 

i regularly sync and it tells me i am several gig over capacity, yet
the sync completes without error and the device ends up with 2-3 gig
free, exactly as it was before the sync. this happens even if i don't
change much. i have *no* idea how it calculates anything. 

anyway, just pick the music and videos you want and sync. if it really
doesn't fit, it will tell you during the sync. 

what works best is to make a master playlist of the subset of music you
want and then make other playlists based on that. that way, you get all
of the benefits of automatic syncing.

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#30634

nospam wrote:
> In article <ld38se$se$1@dont-email.me>, Ed Cryer
> <ed@somewhere.in.the.uk> wrote:
>
>> It has "Entire music library" ticked (together with "include music
>> videos" and "include voice memos"), and the line graph at the bottom
>> shows "48.91 GB free". But when I move the tick to "Selected playlists,
>> artists, albums and genres" the line graph changes to "15.85 GB free"
>> and the video content accounts for the increase (about 35 GB). In
>> addition I get boxes for p a a & g with all items unticked.
>> Weird. All I can figure is that it's suddenly decided to include all the
>> films that were on the iPad save but didn't restore to the ipod.
>
> the graph at the bottom is based on a random number generator. any
> similarities to what's on your device is purely coincidental.
>
> i regularly sync and it tells me i am several gig over capacity, yet
> the sync completes without error and the device ends up with 2-3 gig
> free, exactly as it was before the sync. this happens even if i don't
> change much. i have *no* idea how it calculates anything.
>
> anyway, just pick the music and videos you want and sync. if it really
> doesn't fit, it will tell you during the sync.
>
> what works best is to make a master playlist of the subset of music you
> want and then make other playlists based on that. that way, you get all
> of the benefits of automatic syncing.
>

Well, I did it following all your advice, and it's worked fine. In fact 
the playlist technique seems very intuitive and natural after doing it. 
I just gave the current music library a name, and changed the sync 
settings on all 3 devices. I was pleasantly surprised to see that what 
you told me about the misreported memory sizing proved true too.
Now I can add playlists for whatever I want, with names like "Pink 
Floyd", "Led Zeppelin" and "Beethoven" and "Mozart".

I think I have a rational explanation for the memory thing. I have a 
large library of films on the iPads, and when I restored to the ipod it 
just didn't take in the longer ones; but the sync settings remain "all". 
So then, it must have taken the lot into account to get its estimate, 
but at actual run-time ignored them.
That covers my case, but not the ones you mentioned.

Thanks a lot.

Ed

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#30635

On 2014-02-08, Ed Cryer <ed@somewhere.in.the.uk> wrote:
>
> Well, I did it following all your advice, and it's worked fine. In fact 
> the playlist technique seems very intuitive and natural after doing it. 
> I just gave the current music library a name, and changed the sync 
> settings on all 3 devices. I was pleasantly surprised to see that what 
> you told me about the misreported memory sizing proved true too.
> Now I can add playlists for whatever I want, with names like "Pink 
> Floyd", "Led Zeppelin" and "Beethoven" and "Mozart".

Alternatively, you can simply select the device under DEVICES, click the
Music tab at the top, and specify that you want all of a given artist to
be synced to the device. That way you don't need to create any play
lists, and you get the added benefit that if you add more albums / songs
for that artist, they are automatically added to the device. The only
reason I can think of for not doing it this way is if you don't want all
of the songs for a given artist to be synced to the device. But for that
situation, you can select specific *albums* to sync instead. iTunes is
quite flexible in the options it gives you to select which music is
synced. ; )

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#30637

In article <bln6omFmsdjU4@mid.individual.net>, Jolly Roger
<jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:

> Alternatively, you can simply select the device under DEVICES, click the
> Music tab at the top, and specify that you want all of a given artist to
> be synced to the device. That way you don't need to create any play
> lists, and you get the added benefit that if you add more albums / songs
> for that artist, they are automatically added to the device. The only
> reason I can think of for not doing it this way is if you don't want all
> of the songs for a given artist to be synced to the device. But for that
> situation, you can select specific *albums* to sync instead. iTunes is
> quite flexible in the options it gives you to select which music is
> synced. ; )

while that can work, playlists are significantly more flexible. it's
also not either/or. you can do *both*.

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#30629

In article <ld38se$se$1@dont-email.me>, Ed Cryer
<ed@somewhere.in.the.uk> wrote:

> The only way I can figure is this, twisted and too torturous to do.
> 1. Add all the music I want to the library, but then I'd have to change 
> the sync settings for all devices.
> 2. Change video settings for all devices (what and where?)

The simplest way I've figured for "music" is to create separate
playlists for each device within iTunes and then sync each device to
their own playlist. I sync three. This works fine for me. Everything
unchecked, once you select the device in iTunes, does not sync or do
anything at all until you check it. Once you select a device in iTunes,
everything you do only works on that device. If you want to do
something related to a different device. Select "that device" within
iTunes. 
It's really easy when you grok the concept that once you select the
device within iTunes that you want to fool with, and although iTunes
seems to remain the same, you are working on one device and all others
are unaffected, and so are their settings.
To further answer your points 1 and 2, you save audio, video, apps,
etc. settings per device within iTunes as you like them with checking
and unchecking. I have many apps in iTunes, but I only have the ones I
want on each device. They are still all there in iTunes should I want
to reload them into the device by checking and syncing them on the
device. So are all of your music and videos. 
You have to seriously want to delete things from within iTunes in order
to delete your ability to reinstall them on any of your devices, and it
has to be done within iTunes, not on your device.
It's simple magic. I don't understand it. It just works.

leo

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#30631

Leonard Blaisdell wrote:
> In article <ld38se$se$1@dont-email.me>, Ed Cryer
> <ed@somewhere.in.the.uk> wrote:
>
>> The only way I can figure is this, twisted and too torturous to do.
>> 1. Add all the music I want to the library, but then I'd have to change
>> the sync settings for all devices.
>> 2. Change video settings for all devices (what and where?)
>
> The simplest way I've figured for "music" is to create separate
> playlists for each device within iTunes and then sync each device to
> their own playlist. I sync three. This works fine for me. Everything
> unchecked, once you select the device in iTunes, does not sync or do
> anything at all until you check it. Once you select a device in iTunes,
> everything you do only works on that device. If you want to do
> something related to a different device. Select "that device" within
> iTunes.
> It's really easy when you grok the concept that once you select the
> device within iTunes that you want to fool with, and although iTunes
> seems to remain the same, you are working on one device and all others
> are unaffected, and so are their settings.
> To further answer your points 1 and 2, you save audio, video, apps,
> etc. settings per device within iTunes as you like them with checking
> and unchecking. I have many apps in iTunes, but I only have the ones I
> want on each device. They are still all there in iTunes should I want
> to reload them into the device by checking and syncing them on the
> device. So are all of your music and videos.
> You have to seriously want to delete things from within iTunes in order
> to delete your ability to reinstall them on any of your devices, and it
> has to be done within iTunes, not on your device.
> It's simple magic. I don't understand it. It just works.
>
> leo
>

The playlists method is the one recommended by nospam too, so I feel I 
should go that way. No doubt it will turn out to be easy-peasy once I've 
done it for the first time.

I was considering another method; separate app for ipod only.
http://news.cnet.com/8301-1023_3-57433877-93/dont-like-the-ipads-music-app-here-are-two-alternatives/

Have you ever tried that method?

Ed

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#30636

In article <ld56dr$cp7$1@dont-email.me>, Ed Cryer
<ed@somewhere.in.the.uk> wrote:

> I was considering another method; separate app for ipod only.
> http://news.cnet.com/8301-1023_3-57433877-93/dont-like-the-ipads-music-app-here-are-two-alternatives/
> 
> Have you ever tried that method?

those are alternatives to the existing music app and use the existing
music library, so you'll still need to sync the music to the ipad.

they are not download managers.

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#30685

In article <ld56dr$cp7$1@dont-email.me>, Ed Cryer
<ed@somewhere.in.the.uk> wrote:

> I was considering another method; separate app for ipod only.
> http://news.cnet.com/8301-1023_3-57433877-93/dont-like-the-ipads-music-app-here-are-two-alternatives/
> 
> Have you ever tried that method?

No, I have no reason to.

leo

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#30701

Leonard Blaisdell wrote:
> In article <ld56dr$cp7$1@dont-email.me>, Ed Cryer
> <ed@somewhere.in.the.uk> wrote:
>
>> I was considering another method; separate app for ipod only.
>> http://news.cnet.com/8301-1023_3-57433877-93/dont-like-the-ipads-music-app-here-are-two-alternatives/
>>
>> Have you ever tried that method?
>
> No, I have no reason to.
>
> leo
>

Me neither, now that I've sussed the "playlist" method.
The trick for me is to envisage "playlist" differently. Something like 
"folder" or "item in a database".

Ed

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