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Re: does anyone use their iPad as a camera

Date 2012-08-20 18:23 -0500
Subject Re: does anyone use their iPad as a camera
From George Kerby <ghost_topper@hotmail.com>
Newsgroups comp.mobile.ipad
Message-ID <CC583131.8D4DD%ghost_topper@hotmail.com> (permalink)
References (8 earlier) <200820121019421191%nospam@nospam.invalid> <michelle-7F909B.12021620082012@news.eternal-september.org> <200820121223105675%nospam@nospam.invalid> <michelle-88C360.13252020082012@news.eternal-september.org> <200820121512224778%nospam@nospam.invalid>

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On 8/20/12 5:12 PM, in article 200820121512224778%nospam@nospam.invalid,
"nospam" <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:

> In article <michelle-88C360.13252020082012@news.eternal-september.org>,
> Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> wrote:
> 
>>>>>>>> If the only thing that affected the quality of the picture was
>>>>>>>> the physics, you'd be right (for once).
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> what else other than physics affects the quality, other than the
>>>>>>> photographer's skill?
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Chemistry, if you're talking about printed results.  Oh, and the
>>>>>> darkroom technician's skill.
>>>>> 
>>>>> no need to print.
>>>> 
>>>> why not?
>>> 
>>> slide film.
>> 
>> Oh, you meant no need to print for chemistry to be involved.  I was talking
>> about chemistry being needed to make prints.
> 
> chemistry is needed for *all* film photography. just how do you think
> film works??
> 
> ok there's physics in the light hitting the photosensitive coating, but
> the bulk of it is chemical. amazingly so too, polaroid in particular.
> 
>>>>> film is chemistry.
>>>> 
>>>>> also, very little skill is needed for film development,
>>>> 
>>>> But skill is needed for printing, except for the most basic tasks in
>>>> printing.  Exposure (time and aperture), dodging, burning in, pushing,
>>>> selecting the right kind of paper (glossy, matt, semi-glossy, brand,
>>>> paper contrast, filters, etc.)
>>> 
>>> given that this is about p&s cameras, none of that happens, other than
>>> maybe a choice in paper but even that was rarely offered.
>> 
>> Um, it happened, and probably still happens, even with p&s cameras.
> 
> it might, but most people dropped off their film and got back what they
> got back. they didn't choose paper and they probably didn't care what
> it was anyway.
> 
>>> typically someone would drop off a roll at the local photofinisher and a
>>> low paid worker would load it into an automated processing machine,
>>> which spits out negatives and prints that are ready for pick up an hour
>>> later. 
>>> 
>>> a pro photographer would take the film to a pro shop who would take the
>>> time to do a good job. it costs more, which is part of the price you pay
>>> for a pro.
>> 
>> And then there were those of us amateurs who had our own darkrooms and/or
>> access to community darkrooms (such as on a military base) who did our own
>> work.
> 
> the vast, vast majority of people took their film to the store to get
> it processed. camera stores made a lot of money that way. it was a
> revenue stream that has all but vanished with digital, which is why a
> lot of cameras stores have closed.
> 

No. Real Camera Stores closed for the same reason that most Hardware Stores,
Local Drug Stores and Grocery Stores have gone away:

1.  'Big Box' Stores
2. 'Warehouse' Stores
3.  Internet Stores

> those who did darkroom work were the exception and that was mainly b/w.
> very, very few people did colour darkroom worok, and of those who did,
> it was mostly just printing. the negatives were done at a lab, and in
> some cases such as kodachrome, it wasn't possible to do it at home even
> if they wanted to.
> 

True that mostly since C-41 required strict high temp windows (100-104F).
While Kodachrome was basically a B/W film with dye added in the process,
there were other alternatives: Ektachrome and others could be processed in a
home darkroom by advanced amateurs and pros with E-4 and, later E-6.
Cibachrome reversal prints from slides/transparencies were quite easily done
with their kits (remember the tubes and motorized rollers) by anyone who had
a decent thermometer and desire to do their own color work.

Michelle was referring to those people who were serious amateurs who were
willing to learn techniques as dodging/burning, cropping and other
experimental work like solarization, etc.

Apples and oranges, so to speak.

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does anyone use their iPad as a camera Brian <bclark@es.co.nz> - 2012-08-18 11:22 +0000
  Re: does anyone use their iPad as a camera John Young <jy@scallawags.net> - 2012-08-18 07:36 -0400
  Re: does anyone use their iPad as a camera David Taylor <david-taylor@blueyonder.co.uk.invalid> - 2012-08-18 12:49 +0100
    Re: does anyone use their iPad as a camera Todd Allcock <elecconnec@AnoOspamL.com> - 2012-08-18 09:04 -0600
      Re: does anyone use their iPad as a camera David Taylor <david-taylor@blueyonder.co.uk.invalid> - 2012-08-18 16:24 +0100
    Re: does anyone use their iPad as a camera Brian <bclark@es.co.nz> - 2012-08-19 12:06 +0000
      Re: does anyone use their iPad as a camera Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2012-08-19 06:42 -0700
        Re: does anyone use their iPad as a camera Brian <bclark@es.co.nz> - 2012-08-21 04:44 +0000
          Re: does anyone use their iPad as a camera Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2012-08-21 06:38 +0000
          Re: does anyone use their iPad as a camera Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2012-08-21 08:04 -0700
            Re: does anyone use their iPad as a camera Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2012-08-21 08:30 -0700
              Re: does anyone use their iPad as a camera Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2012-08-21 09:36 -0700
                Re: does anyone use their iPad as a camera nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2012-08-21 09:39 -0700
                Re: does anyone use their iPad as a camera Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2012-08-21 10:14 -0700
                Re: does anyone use their iPad as a camera Bread <BreadWithSpam@Fractious.net> - 2012-08-21 15:05 -0700
                Re: does anyone use their iPad as a camera Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2012-08-21 15:21 -0700
                Re: does anyone use their iPad as a camera Bread <BreadWithSpam@Fractious.net> - 2012-08-21 16:04 -0700
                Re: does anyone use their iPad as a camera nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2012-08-21 16:13 -0700
                Re: does anyone use their iPad as a camera Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2012-08-21 19:10 -0700
                Re: does anyone use their iPad as a camera nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2012-08-21 19:29 -0700
                Re: does anyone use their iPad as a camera Bread <BreadWithSpam@Fractious.net> - 2012-08-21 20:43 -0700
                Re: does anyone use their iPad as a camera Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2012-08-21 21:07 -0700
                Re: does anyone use their iPad as a camera Bread <BreadWithSpam@Fractious.net> - 2012-08-22 02:14 -0700
                Re: does anyone use their iPad as a camera nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2012-08-21 23:31 -0700
                Re: does anyone use their iPad as a camera Bread <BreadWithSpam@Fractious.net> - 2012-08-22 02:14 -0700
                Re: does anyone use their iPad as a camera nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2012-08-21 15:24 -0700
                Re: does anyone use their iPad as a camera Bread <BreadWithSpam@Fractious.net> - 2012-08-21 15:51 -0700
                Re: does anyone use their iPad as a camera nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2012-08-21 16:08 -0700
                Re: does anyone use their iPad as a camera Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2012-08-21 18:06 -0700
                Re: does anyone use their iPad as a camera John Young <jy@scallawags.net> - 2012-08-21 21:48 -0400
                Re: does anyone use their iPad as a camera nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2012-08-21 19:29 -0700
                Re: does anyone use their iPad as a camera Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2012-08-21 20:33 -0700
                Re: does anyone use their iPad as a camera Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2012-08-21 22:10 -0700
                Re: does anyone use their iPad as a camera Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2012-08-21 22:23 -0700
                Re: does anyone use their iPad as a camera nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2012-08-21 23:31 -0700
                Re: does anyone use their iPad as a camera Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2012-08-21 23:55 -0700
                Re: does anyone use their iPad as a camera nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2012-08-21 19:29 -0700
                Re: does anyone use their iPad as a camera Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2012-08-21 19:40 -0700
                Re: does anyone use their iPad as a camera Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2012-08-21 22:09 -0700
                Re: does anyone use their iPad as a camera nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2012-08-21 23:31 -0700
                Re: does anyone use their iPad as a camera Brian <bclark@es.co.nz> - 2012-08-22 01:38 +0000
                Re: does anyone use their iPad as a camera nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2012-08-21 19:29 -0700
                Re: does anyone use their iPad as a camera Brian <bclark@es.co.nz> - 2012-08-22 15:14 +0000
                Re: does anyone use their iPad as a camera Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2012-08-21 18:01 -0700
                Re: does anyone use their iPad as a camera Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2012-08-21 19:03 -0700
                Re: does anyone use their iPad as a camera Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2012-08-21 22:17 -0700
                Re: does anyone use their iPad as a camera Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2012-08-22 00:37 -0700
                Re: does anyone use their iPad as a camera Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2012-08-22 00:55 -0700
                Re: does anyone use their iPad as a camera Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2012-08-22 10:59 -0700
                Re: does anyone use their iPad as a camera Tom Stiller <tom_stiller@yahoo.com> - 2012-08-22 14:28 -0400
                Re: does anyone use their iPad as a camera JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2012-08-22 15:03 -0400
                Re: does anyone use their iPad as a camera Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2012-08-22 15:39 -0700
                Re: does anyone use their iPad as a camera Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2012-08-22 12:46 -0700
                Re: does anyone use their iPad as a camera Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2012-08-22 15:37 -0700
                Re: does anyone use their iPad as a camera Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2012-08-22 15:58 -0700
                Re: does anyone use their iPad as a camera Doug Anderson <ethelthelogremovethis@gmail.com> - 2012-08-22 16:10 -0700
                Re: does anyone use their iPad as a camera George Kerby <ghost_topper@hotmail.com> - 2012-08-22 20:03 -0500
                Re: does anyone use their iPad as a camera Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2012-08-22 20:20 -0700
                Re: does anyone use their iPad as a camera Doug Anderson <ethelthelogremovethis@gmail.com> - 2012-08-23 09:06 -0700
                Re: does anyone use their iPad as a camera Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2012-08-23 12:32 -0700
                Re: does anyone use their iPad as a camera Doug Anderson <ethelthelogremovethis@gmail.com> - 2012-08-23 12:54 -0700
                Re: does anyone use their iPad as a camera Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2012-08-23 14:33 -0700
                Re: does anyone use their iPad as a camera Doug Anderson <ethelthelogremovethis@gmail.com> - 2012-08-23 15:20 -0700
                Re: does anyone use their iPad as a camera Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2012-08-23 16:11 -0700
                Re: does anyone use their iPad as a camera George Kerby <ghost_topper@hotmail.com> - 2012-08-23 20:53 -0500
                Re: does anyone use their iPad as a camera Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2012-08-23 21:05 -0700
                Re: does anyone use their iPad as a camera George Kerby <ghost_topper@hotmail.com> - 2012-08-22 20:01 -0500
                Re: does anyone use their iPad as a camera Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVEsPAM}me.com> - 2012-08-22 20:44 -0700
                Re: does anyone use their iPad as a camera salgud <spamboy6547@comcast.net> - 2012-08-23 08:12 -0600
                Re: does anyone use their iPad as a camera Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2012-08-24 17:10 -0400
                Re: does anyone use their iPad as a camera Doug Anderson <ethelthelogremovethis@gmail.com> - 2012-08-24 14:20 -0700
                Re: does anyone use their iPad as a camera dorayme <dorayme@optusnet.com.au> - 2012-08-25 08:03 +1000
                Re: does anyone use their iPad as a camera Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2012-08-25 09:21 -0400
                Re: does anyone use their iPad as a camera Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2012-08-25 09:42 -0700
                Re: does anyone use their iPad as a camera Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2012-08-25 13:01 -0400
                Re: does anyone use their iPad as a camera dorayme <dorayme@optusnet.com.au> - 2012-08-26 08:22 +1000
                Re: does anyone use their iPad as a camera Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2012-08-26 11:41 -0400
                Re: does anyone use their iPad as a camera dorayme <dorayme@optusnet.com.au> - 2012-08-27 07:38 +1000
                Re: does anyone use their iPad as a camera Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2012-08-26 17:48 -0400
                Re: does anyone use their iPad as a camera dorayme <dorayme@optusnet.com.au> - 2012-08-27 11:19 +1000
                Re: does anyone use their iPad as a camera Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2012-08-27 17:13 -0400
                Re: does anyone use their iPad as a camera dorayme <dorayme@optusnet.com.au> - 2012-08-28 08:05 +1000
                Re: does anyone use their iPad as a camera Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2012-08-27 18:44 -0400
                Re: does anyone use their iPad as a camera dorayme <dorayme@optusnet.com.au> - 2012-08-28 11:27 +1000
                Re: does anyone use their iPad as a camera George Kerby <ghost_topper@hotmail.com> - 2012-08-27 20:31 -0500
                Re: does anyone use their iPad as a camera Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2012-08-24 21:41 -0700
                Re: does anyone use their iPad as a camera Doug Anderson <ethelthelogremovethis@gmail.com> - 2012-08-24 22:29 -0700
                Re: does anyone use their iPad as a camera Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2012-08-25 09:22 -0400
                Re: does anyone use their iPad as a camera Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2012-08-25 09:38 -0700
              Re: does anyone use their iPad as a camera Brian <bclark@es.co.nz> - 2012-08-22 01:38 +0000
                Re: does anyone use their iPad as a camera Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2012-08-21 22:23 -0700
                Re: does anyone use their iPad as a camera Brian <bclark@es.co.nz> - 2012-08-22 15:14 +0000
                Re: does anyone use their iPad as a camera nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2012-08-22 08:24 -0700
                Re: does anyone use their iPad as a camera Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2012-08-22 11:03 -0700
      Re: does anyone use their iPad as a camera Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2012-08-19 23:55 +0000
        Re: does anyone use their iPad as a camera Brian <bclark@es.co.nz> - 2012-08-21 05:31 +0000
  Re: does anyone use their iPad as a camera Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2012-08-18 09:45 -0400
    Re: does anyone use their iPad as a camera Brian <bclark@es.co.nz> - 2012-08-19 12:06 +0000
      Re: does anyone use their iPad as a camera nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2012-08-19 08:31 -0700
  Re: does anyone use their iPad as a camera Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2012-08-18 07:19 -0700
    Re: does anyone use their iPad as a camera "zulu" <zulu.romeotangohotel@ntlworld.com> - 2012-08-18 16:41 +0100
      Re: does anyone use their iPad as a camera George Kerby <ghost_topper@hotmail.com> - 2012-08-18 13:32 -0500
        Re: does anyone use their iPad as a camera "zulu" <zulu.romeotangohotel@ntlworld.com> - 2012-08-18 19:45 +0100
          Re: does anyone use their iPad as a camera nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2012-08-18 12:07 -0700
          Re: does anyone use their iPad as a camera Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2012-08-18 19:54 -0400
          Re: does anyone use their iPad as a camera Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2012-08-18 17:07 -0700
            Re: does anyone use their iPad as a camera Wes Groleau <Groleau+news@FreeShell.org> - 2012-08-18 21:54 -0400
            Re: does anyone use their iPad as a camera "zulu" <zulu.romeotangohotel@ntlworld.com> - 2012-08-19 08:16 +0100
            Re: does anyone use their iPad as a camera Brian <bclark@es.co.nz> - 2012-08-19 12:06 +0000
              Re: does anyone use their iPad as a camera nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2012-08-19 08:31 -0700
                Re: does anyone use their iPad as a camera Brian <bclark@es.co.nz> - 2012-08-21 04:44 +0000
          Re: does anyone use their iPad as a camera George Kerby <ghost_topper@hotmail.com> - 2012-08-18 19:29 -0500
        Re: does anyone use their iPad as a camera Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2012-08-18 19:51 -0400
          Re: does anyone use their iPad as a camera "zulu" <zulu.romeotangohotel@ntlworld.com> - 2012-08-19 08:11 +0100
            Re: does anyone use their iPad as a camera Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2012-08-19 20:33 -0400
              Re: does anyone use their iPad as a camera "zulu" <zulu.romeotangohotel@ntlworld.com> - 2012-08-20 08:40 +0100
                Re: does anyone use their iPad as a camera Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2012-08-20 11:29 -0400
                Re: does anyone use their iPad as a camera Todd Allcock <elecconec@AnoOspamL.com> - 2012-08-20 09:43 -0600
                Re: does anyone use their iPad as a camera nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2012-08-20 08:55 -0700
                Re: does anyone use their iPad as a camera "zulu" <zulu.romeotangohotel@ntlworld.com> - 2012-08-20 16:57 +0100
      Re: does anyone use their iPad as a camera Brian <bclark@es.co.nz> - 2012-08-19 12:06 +0000
        Re: does anyone use their iPad as a camera "zulu" <zulu.romeotangohotel@ntlworld.com> - 2012-08-19 15:26 +0100
        Re: does anyone use their iPad as a camera nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2012-08-19 08:31 -0700
          Re: does anyone use their iPad as a camera Brian <bclark@es.co.nz> - 2012-08-21 04:44 +0000
            Re: does anyone use their iPad as a camera nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2012-08-20 23:41 -0700
              Re: does anyone use their iPad as a camera Brian <bclark@es.co.nz> - 2012-08-21 13:50 +0000
                Re: does anyone use their iPad as a camera nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2012-08-21 09:37 -0700
        Re: does anyone use their iPad as a camera Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2012-08-19 11:45 -0400
          Re: does anyone use their iPad as a camera Brian <bclark@es.co.nz> - 2012-08-21 04:52 +0000
            Re: does anyone use their iPad as a camera nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2012-08-20 23:41 -0700
              Re: does anyone use their iPad as a camera Brian <bclark@es.co.nz> - 2012-08-21 13:50 +0000
        Re: does anyone use their iPad as a camera George Kerby <ghost_topper@hotmail.com> - 2012-08-19 10:53 -0500
        Re: does anyone use their iPad as a camera Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2012-08-19 23:49 +0000
          Re: does anyone use their iPad as a camera nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2012-08-19 17:40 -0700
            Re: does anyone use their iPad as a camera Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2012-08-20 06:42 +0000
              Re: does anyone use their iPad as a camera Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2012-08-20 17:14 -0400
                Re: does anyone use their iPad as a camera Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2012-08-20 23:04 +0000
          Re: does anyone use their iPad as a camera Brian <bclark@es.co.nz> - 2012-08-21 05:32 +0000
  Re: does anyone use their iPad as a camera sbt <dogbreath@chaseabone.com.invalid> - 2012-08-18 07:30 -0700
  Re: does anyone use their iPad as a camera George Kerby <ghost_topper@hotmail.com> - 2012-08-18 10:19 -0500
    Re: does anyone use their iPad as a camera Doug Anderson <ethelthelogremovethis@gmail.com> - 2012-08-18 09:54 -0700
  Re: does anyone use their iPad as a camera Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2012-08-18 11:41 -0400
    Re: does anyone use their iPad as a camera Brian <bclark@es.co.nz> - 2012-08-19 12:06 +0000
      Re: does anyone use their iPad as a camera Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2012-08-19 11:22 -0400
  Re: does anyone use their iPad as a camera "Douglas C. Neidermeyer" <sgt@arms.omega.faber.edu> - 2012-08-18 12:12 -0400
    Re: does anyone use their iPad as a camera claudel@sonic.net (Claude V. Lucas) - 2012-08-18 16:16 +0000
      Re: does anyone use their iPad as a camera Wes Groleau <Groleau+news@FreeShell.org> - 2012-08-18 22:01 -0400
      Re: does anyone use their iPad as a camera Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2012-08-19 04:37 +0000
  Re: does anyone use their iPad as a camera Gerry <once@around-the-block.org> - 2012-08-18 10:03 -0700
    Re: does anyone use their iPad as a camera Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2012-08-18 19:42 -0400
    Re: does anyone use their iPad as a camera Wes Groleau <Groleau+news@FreeShell.org> - 2012-08-18 22:04 -0400
    Re: does anyone use their iPad as a camera "Douglas C. Neidermeyer" <sgt@arms.omega.faber.edu> - 2012-08-19 15:44 -0400
      Re: does anyone use their iPad as a camera Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2012-08-19 15:53 -0400
        Re: does anyone use their iPad as a camera "Douglas C. Neidermeyer" <sgt@arms.omega.faber.edu> - 2012-08-19 19:34 -0400
        Re: does anyone use their iPad as a camera Brian <bclark@es.co.nz> - 2012-08-21 05:32 +0000
  Re: does anyone use their iPad as a camera "Charles" <charlesschuler@comcast.net> - 2012-08-18 18:07 -0400
  Re: does anyone use their iPad as a camera Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2012-08-19 04:33 +0000
    Re: does anyone use their iPad as a camera Todd Allcock <elecconnec@AnoOspamL.com> - 2012-08-19 00:55 -0600
      Re: does anyone use their iPad as a camera Brian <bclark@es.co.nz> - 2012-08-19 12:06 +0000
      Re: does anyone use their iPad as a camera nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2012-08-19 08:31 -0700
        Re: does anyone use their iPad as a camera Brian <bclark@es.co.nz> - 2012-08-21 04:44 +0000
      Re: does anyone use their iPad as a camera Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2012-08-19 23:31 +0000
        Re: does anyone use their iPad as a camera nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2012-08-19 17:40 -0700
          Re: does anyone use their iPad as a camera Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2012-08-20 06:23 +0000
            Re: does anyone use their iPad as a camera "Douglas C. Neidermeyer" <sgt@arms.omega.faber.edu> - 2012-08-20 08:38 -0400
              Re: does anyone use their iPad as a camera MrTallyman <MrTallyman@BananaCountersRUs.org> - 2012-08-20 06:29 -0700
              Re: does anyone use their iPad as a camera Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2012-08-20 07:32 -0700
                Re: does anyone use their iPad as a camera nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2012-08-20 08:55 -0700
                Re: does anyone use their iPad as a camera Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2012-08-20 09:21 -0700
                Re: does anyone use their iPad as a camera nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2012-08-20 10:19 -0700
                Re: does anyone use their iPad as a camera Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2012-08-20 11:52 -0700
                Re: does anyone use their iPad as a camera Todd Allcock <elecconnec@AnoOspamL.com> - 2012-08-20 12:03 -0600
                Re: does anyone use their iPad as a camera "Douglas C. Neidermeyer" <sgt@arms.omega.faber.edu> - 2012-08-20 12:27 -0400
                Re: does anyone use their iPad as a camera Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2012-08-20 10:13 -0700
              Re: does anyone use their iPad as a camera Todd Allcock <elecconnec@AnoOspamL.com> - 2012-08-20 09:24 -0600
                Re: does anyone use their iPad as a camera Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2012-08-20 19:25 +0000
              Re: does anyone use their iPad as a camera Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2012-08-20 19:20 +0000
            Re: does anyone use their iPad as a camera nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2012-08-20 08:55 -0700
              Re: does anyone use their iPad as a camera Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2012-08-20 09:31 -0700
                Re: does anyone use their iPad as a camera nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2012-08-20 10:19 -0700
                Re: does anyone use their iPad as a camera Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2012-08-20 12:02 -0700
                Re: does anyone use their iPad as a camera nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2012-08-20 12:23 -0700
                Re: does anyone use their iPad as a camera Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2012-08-20 13:25 -0700
                Re: does anyone use their iPad as a camera nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2012-08-20 15:12 -0700
                Re: does anyone use their iPad as a camera George Kerby <ghost_topper@hotmail.com> - 2012-08-20 18:23 -0500
                Re: does anyone use their iPad as a camera nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2012-08-20 19:24 -0700
                Re: does anyone use their iPad as a camera Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2012-08-20 21:47 -0700
                Re: does anyone use their iPad as a camera Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2012-08-20 21:42 -0700
                Re: does anyone use their iPad as a camera nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2012-08-20 23:41 -0700
                Re: does anyone use their iPad as a camera Brian <bclark@es.co.nz> - 2012-08-21 13:50 +0000
                Re: does anyone use their iPad as a camera nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2012-08-21 09:37 -0700
                Re: does anyone use their iPad as a camera Brian <bclark@es.co.nz> - 2012-08-22 01:38 +0000
                Re: does anyone use their iPad as a camera nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2012-08-21 19:29 -0700
                Re: does anyone use their iPad as a camera Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2012-08-21 07:23 -0700
                Re: does anyone use their iPad as a camera nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2012-08-21 09:37 -0700
                Re: does anyone use their iPad as a camera Brian <bclark@es.co.nz> - 2012-08-22 01:38 +0000
                Re: does anyone use their iPad as a camera nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2012-08-21 19:29 -0700
                Re: does anyone use their iPad as a camera Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2012-08-21 22:33 -0700
                Re: does anyone use their iPad as a camera Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2012-08-21 22:31 -0700
                Re: does anyone use their iPad as a camera Brian <bclark@es.co.nz> - 2012-08-21 06:28 +0000
                Re: does anyone use their iPad as a camera nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2012-08-21 00:06 -0700
                Re: does anyone use their iPad as a camera Brian <bclark@es.co.nz> - 2012-08-21 13:22 +0000
                Re: does anyone use their iPad as a camera nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2012-08-21 09:37 -0700
                Re: does anyone use their iPad as a camera "zulu" <zulu.romeotangohotel@ntlworld.com> - 2012-08-21 20:50 +0100
                Re: does anyone use their iPad as a camera nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2012-08-21 12:59 -0700
                Re: does anyone use their iPad as a camera "zulu" <zulu.romeotangohotel@ntlworld.com> - 2012-08-21 22:46 +0100
                Re: does anyone use their iPad as a camera Brian <bclark@es.co.nz> - 2012-08-22 01:38 +0000
                Re: does anyone use their iPad as a camera Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2012-08-21 22:34 -0700
                Re: does anyone use their iPad as a camera Brian <bclark@es.co.nz> - 2012-08-22 15:14 +0000
                Re: does anyone use their iPad as a camera nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2012-08-22 08:24 -0700
                Re: does anyone use their iPad as a camera Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2012-08-20 22:59 +0000
                Re: does anyone use their iPad as a camera nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2012-08-20 16:36 -0700
                Re: does anyone use their iPad as a camera Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2012-08-20 21:26 -0700
                Re: does anyone use their iPad as a camera Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2012-08-21 06:31 +0000
                Re: does anyone use their iPad as a camera nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2012-08-21 00:06 -0700
                Re: does anyone use their iPad as a camera Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2012-08-21 07:29 -0700
                Re: does anyone use their iPad as a camera nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2012-08-21 09:37 -0700
                Re: does anyone use their iPad as a camera Brian <bclark@es.co.nz> - 2012-08-22 01:38 +0000
                Re: does anyone use their iPad as a camera nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2012-08-21 19:29 -0700
                Re: does anyone use their iPad as a camera Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2012-08-21 07:25 -0700
                Re: does anyone use their iPad as a camera nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2012-08-21 09:37 -0700
                Re: does anyone use their iPad as a camera Brian <bclark@es.co.nz> - 2012-08-22 01:38 +0000
              Re: does anyone use their iPad as a camera Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2012-08-20 19:28 +0000
            Re: does anyone use their iPad as a camera Brian <bclark@es.co.nz> - 2012-08-21 06:10 +0000
        Re: does anyone use their iPad as a camera Brian <bclark@es.co.nz> - 2012-08-21 05:32 +0000
    Re: does anyone use their iPad as a camera Brian <bclark@es.co.nz> - 2012-08-19 12:06 +0000
    Re: does anyone use their iPad as a camera Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2012-08-19 06:48 -0700
      Re: does anyone use their iPad as a camera Brian <bclark@es.co.nz> - 2012-08-21 04:44 +0000
    Re: does anyone use their iPad as a camera nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2012-08-19 08:31 -0700
      Re: does anyone use their iPad as a camera Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2012-08-19 23:46 +0000
        Re: does anyone use their iPad as a camera nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2012-08-19 17:40 -0700
          Re: does anyone use their iPad as a camera Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2012-08-20 06:35 +0000
            Re: does anyone use their iPad as a camera nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2012-08-20 08:55 -0700
        Re: does anyone use their iPad as a camera Todd Allcock <elecconnec@AnoOspamL.com> - 2012-08-19 22:01 -0600
        Re: does anyone use their iPad as a camera Brian <bclark@es.co.nz> - 2012-08-21 05:32 +0000
      Re: does anyone use their iPad as a camera Brian <bclark@es.co.nz> - 2012-08-21 04:44 +0000

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