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  Linux and tablets? T <T@invalid.invalid> - 2019-01-22 19:41 -0800
    Re: Linux and tablets? Hergen Lehmann <hlehmann.expires.5-11@snafu.de> - 2019-01-23 09:59 +0100
      Re: Linux and tablets? T <T@invalid.invalid> - 2019-01-23 03:26 -0800
        Re: Linux and tablets? 123456789 <12345@12345.com> - 2019-01-23 09:33 -0700
          Re: Linux and tablets? Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2019-01-23 21:10 +0000
      Re: Linux and tablets? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2019-01-23 08:29 -0500
        Re: Linux and tablets? Eli the Bearded <*@eli.users.panix.com> - 2019-01-23 20:43 +0000
          Re: Linux and tablets? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2019-01-23 16:24 -0500
            Re: Linux and tablets? Eli the Bearded <*@eli.users.panix.com> - 2019-01-23 21:55 +0000
              Re: Linux and tablets? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2019-01-23 18:05 -0500
                Re: Linux and tablets? Eli the Bearded <*@eli.users.panix.com> - 2019-01-23 23:39 +0000
                  Re: Linux and tablets? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2019-01-23 23:24 -0500
                Re: Linux and tablets? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2019-01-24 13:54 +0100
          Re: Linux and tablets? T <T@invalid.invalid> - 2019-01-24 21:29 -0800
            Re: Linux and tablets? Eli the Bearded <*@eli.users.panix.com> - 2019-01-25 21:12 +0000
    Re: Linux and tablets? Theo <theom+news@chiark.greenend.org.uk> - 2019-01-24 01:35 +0000
      Re: Linux and tablets? T <T@invalid.invalid> - 2019-01-24 16:44 -0800
        Re: Linux and tablets? 123456789 <12345@12345.com> - 2019-01-24 17:58 -0700
          Re: Linux and tablets? Chris Green <cl@isbd.net> - 2019-01-25 09:49 +0000
          Re: Linux and tablets? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2019-01-25 14:25 +0100
            Re: Linux and tablets? 123456789 <123456@123456.com> - 2019-01-25 09:04 -0700
              Re: Linux and tablets? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2019-01-25 22:03 +0100

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#59199 — Linux and tablets?

Hi all,

Any news on tablets and Linux?

I did a google search and found a lot of old Ubuntu hits but
they did not seem to catch on.  Would love to see a Fedora
tablet. Sailfish sounds interesting, but gets a lot of bad
hits.

-T

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#59205

Am 23.01.19 um 04:41 schrieb T:

> Any news on tablets and Linux?

The tablet market is almost dead, most manufacturers already left the 
scene. Which is kind of sad - especially the 8inch devices used to be a 
nice compromise for an ebook reader which can do more during travel. 
Phones are too small for reading large amounts of text, convertibles are 
too heavy, dedicated readers are single-use.

Non-Android Linux on mobile devices is dead. Apparently, all attempts 
failed to gain a sustainable market.

In the 12inch-and-larger class, there are x86-based convertibles, which 
of course can run a full-fledged Linux. Their usability is rather bad, 
though, because none of the common linux desktop environments is 
optimized for touch screen use.

> I did a google search and found a lot of old Ubuntu hits but
> they did not seem to catch on.

They tried to get into the mobile market a few years ago (which was the 
main reason for their solo attempt with the "unity" desktop), but failed 
and gave up on this goal.

Hergen

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#59206

On 1/23/19 12:59 AM, Hergen Lehmann wrote:
> Am 23.01.19 um 04:41 schrieb T:
> 
>> Any news on tablets and Linux?
> 
> The tablet market is almost dead, most manufacturers already left the 
> scene. Which is kind of sad - especially the 8inch devices used to be a 
> nice compromise for an ebook reader which can do more during travel. 
> Phones are too small for reading large amounts of text, convertibles are 
> too heavy, dedicated readers are single-use.
> 
> Non-Android Linux on mobile devices is dead. Apparently, all attempts 
> failed to gain a sustainable market.
> 
> In the 12inch-and-larger class, there are x86-based convertibles, which 
> of course can run a full-fledged Linux. Their usability is rather bad, 
> though, because none of the common linux desktop environments is 
> optimized for touch screen use.
> 
>> I did a google search and found a lot of old Ubuntu hits but
>> they did not seem to catch on.
> 
> They tried to get into the mobile market a few years ago (which was the 
> main reason for their solo attempt with the "unity" desktop), but failed 
> and gave up on this goal.
> 
> Hergen

Bummer.  Thank you.

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#59210

On 1/23/2019 4:26 AM, T wrote:

> Any news on tablets and Linux?

I've been playing with emulators recently and though many are slow and 
disappointing, a Linux emulator on an Android tablet may accomplish some 
of what you want.

http://www.linux-magazine.com/Online/Features/Convert-an-Android-Device-to-Linux

  I recently put an Android emulator on my W10 laptop and a W10 emulator 
on this Chromebook. Fun to play with. And perhaps somewhat practical. I 
have never found a good newsreader in Android or Chrome. And since I 
liked the Windows OS version of Thunderbird (especially the spell 
checker...) I'm now trying it using an emulator on this Chromebook. I 
will now push send. If you see it, all is well (fingers crossed)...

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#59223

123456789 <12345@12345.com> wrote:
> On 1/23/2019 4:26 AM, T wrote:
> 
> > Any news on tablets and Linux?
> 
> I've been playing with emulators recently and though many are slow and 
> disappointing, a Linux emulator on an Android tablet may accomplish some 
> of what you want.
> 
> http://www.linux-magazine.com/Online/Features/Convert-an-Android-Device-to-Linux

  The 'Related content' part of that article points to yet another
candidate, which has been mentioned several times in this group: 'Termux'.

[...]

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#59207

In article <00nlhf-u2a.ln1@hergen.dyndns.org>, Hergen Lehmann
<hlehmann.expires.5-11@snafu.de> wrote:

> 
> The tablet market is almost dead, most manufacturers already left the 
> scene. Which is kind of sad - especially the 8inch devices used to be a 
> nice compromise for an ebook reader which can do more during travel. 
> Phones are too small for reading large amounts of text, convertibles are 
> too heavy, dedicated readers are single-use.

not true.

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#59220

In comp.mobile.android, nospam  <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:
> Hergen Lehmann <hlehmann.expires.5-11@snafu.de> wrote:
>> The tablet market is almost dead, most manufacturers already left the 
>> scene. Which is kind of sad - especially the 8inch devices used to be a 
>> nice compromise for an ebook reader which can do more during travel. 
>> Phones are too small for reading large amounts of text, convertibles are 
>> too heavy, dedicated readers are single-use.
> 
> not true.

Care to provide examples to support your position?

Linux on a tablet is very much an interest of mine. I've purchased an
RCA Cambio with the goal of converting it to Linux:

https://github.com/devinsmith/rca-cambio-linux/blob/master/README.md

But I haven't had the round-tuit to get that off the ground. Something
that just works would be a great start (even if it's Raspberry based).

Elijah
------
wants to make the Cambio into a touch-screen Linux print server

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#59225

In article <eli$1901231542@qaz.wtf>, Eli the Bearded
<*@eli.users.panix.com> wrote:

> >> The tablet market is almost dead, most manufacturers already left the 
> >> scene. Which is kind of sad - especially the 8inch devices used to be a 
> >> nice compromise for an ebook reader which can do more during travel. 
> >> Phones are too small for reading large amounts of text, convertibles are 
> >> too heavy, dedicated readers are single-use.
> > 
> > not true.
> 
> Care to provide examples to support your position?

absolutely.

<https://www.idc.com/getdoc.jsp?containerId=prEMEA44441818>
  Apple ranked first with 25.1% market share and increasing 7.9% YoY.
  Once again, slates were behind the strong performance for Apple, 
  with strong double-digit growth across both segment groups as the
  refreshed iPad at the more attractive price point continues to drive
  demand.
...
  Amazon rose to third with a market share of 10.8% and increasing by
  19.2% YoY. Strong sales during Prime day drove this growth, as Amazon
  continues to push low-priced devices as a gateway into its ecosystem.
...
  Huawei ranked fifth with a 7.2% market share and growth of 59.3% YoY.
  The growth trajectory for Huawei persists, following a particularly
  strong consumer performance as Huawei continues to expand its
  footprint in Western Europe across its entire technology portfolio.

while not every company saw increases, some did, including huawei's
almost 60% growth, not what anyone would call 'almost dead'.

as for reading text on a phone, it works perfectly fine, especially on
the larger sized phones. a larger tablet might be better in some
situations, except that it won't fit in a pocket and therefore might
not be with you.

that is, unless you wear clothes with unusually large pockets:
<https://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/s--2arQXDZp--/c_scale,
f_auto,fl_progressive,q_80,w_800/18mgcoyypcodmjpg.jpg>

> Linux on a tablet is very much an interest of mine. I've purchased an
> RCA Cambio with the goal of converting it to Linux:
> 
> https://github.com/devinsmith/rca-cambio-linux/blob/master/README.md
> 
> But I haven't had the round-tuit to get that off the ground. Something
> that just works would be a great start (even if it's Raspberry based).

linux wasn't designed for touch, nor was windows for that matter.

although you might be able to get it to work, it's not going to be that
productive. ui elements will still be small and tough to tap or drag.
adding a keyboard and mouse makes it effectively a laptop.

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#59230

In comp.mobile.android, nospam  <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:
> <https://www.idc.com/getdoc.jsp?containerId=prEMEA44441818>
>   Apple ranked first with 25.1% market share and increasing 7.9% YoY.
> ...
>   Amazon rose to third with a market share of 10.8% and increasing by
> ...
>   Huawei ranked fifth with a 7.2% market share and growth of 59.3% YoY.

Are those Linux tablets? For values of Linux equaling "Not Android"
and "Not Chrome"?

> as for reading text on a phone, it works perfectly fine, especially on

People with different eye defects than you or I disagree.

> linux wasn't designed for touch, nor was windows for that matter.

X11 wasn't designed for touch. Linux is perfectly capable of running a
different GUI and having a different experience, ChromeOS and and
Android are specific examples of that happening. Wayland is supposed to
be another. I briefly tried MGR (https://hack.org/mc/mgr/) sometime
before I was married, so 20+ years ago; it's a GUI on Linux that is
not X11 at all.

> adding a keyboard and mouse makes it effectively a laptop.

The Cambrio has a detachable keyboard which I anticipate not using
except during set-up. The scenario I'm looking at is tinkerable home
automation at prices cheaper than industrial panel mount computers.
I don't need, for example, "drag and drop". I need a network server that
I can apply soft push buttons like "pause this job" and "reprint last
job" to. Touch screen emulating a mouse that clicks but doesn't move
normally in X11 is perfectly fine for me. I've already done it with a
smaller non-tablet format device.

Apple's hardware is particularly ill-suited for what I want because it
is by hardware and software design intended to be a closed system.
Android is a little better, but has serious obstacles in the way.
ChromeOS is designed to for web client niche and similar to Android.
Windows tablets exist, but I really have no relevant experience in
writing GUI or servers for Windows. The best thing about them is they
seem the easiest to re-OS to Linux.

Elijah
------
has priced out those industrial panel mount systems

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#59235

In article <eli$1901231655@qaz.wtf>, Eli the Bearded
<*@eli.users.panix.com> wrote:

> > <https://www.idc.com/getdoc.jsp?containerId=prEMEA44441818>
> >   Apple ranked first with 25.1% market share and increasing 7.9% YoY.
> > ...
> >   Amazon rose to third with a market share of 10.8% and increasing by
> > ...
> >   Huawei ranked fifth with a 7.2% market share and growth of 59.3% YoY.
> 
> Are those Linux tablets? For values of Linux equaling "Not Android"
> and "Not Chrome"?

the comment was that tablets are dead, not specifically linux tablets.

tablets are not dead. 

tablets work exceptionally well for many purposes, adequate for some
and not a good choice for others.

no single device is going to be ideal in every situation. pick the best
tool for the job. 

> > as for reading text on a phone, it works perfectly fine, especially on
> 
> People with different eye defects than you or I disagree.

people with eye defects aren't using tablets either, unless they have a
braille attachment.

meanwhile, plenty of people read a wide variety of content on phones,
from webpages to ebooks and much more. a 6.5" phone shows a lot of
text.

> > linux wasn't designed for touch, nor was windows for that matter.
> 
> X11 wasn't designed for touch. Linux is perfectly capable of running a
> different GUI and having a different experience, ChromeOS and and
> Android are specific examples of that happening. Wayland is supposed to
> be another. I briefly tried MGR (https://hack.org/mc/mgr/) sometime
> before I was married, so 20+ years ago; it's a GUI on Linux that is
> not X11 at all.

having a gui doesn't magically give something a touch ui. 

android has a linux kernel, but that's very different than a linux box.
android apps use android apis, not linux apis. 

> > adding a keyboard and mouse makes it effectively a laptop.
> 
> The Cambrio has a detachable keyboard which I anticipate not using
> except during set-up. The scenario I'm looking at is tinkerable home
> automation at prices cheaper than industrial panel mount computers.
> I don't need, for example, "drag and drop". I need a network server that
> I can apply soft push buttons like "pause this job" and "reprint last
> job" to. Touch screen emulating a mouse that clicks but doesn't move
> normally in X11 is perfectly fine for me. I've already done it with a
> smaller non-tablet format device.

a tablet is overkill if all you want to do is pause or restart a print
job or similar type task.

> Apple's hardware is particularly ill-suited for what I want because it
> is by hardware and software design intended to be a closed system.

not at all true. what you describe above is trivially done with an ios
device, although it's still overkill. 

> Android is a little better, but has serious obstacles in the way.

such as?

> ChromeOS is designed to for web client niche and similar to Android.

not from a ui point of view

> Windows tablets exist, but I really have no relevant experience in
> writing GUI or servers for Windows. The best thing about them is they
> seem the easiest to re-OS to Linux.

no, that's not the best thing.

running windows apps is, mostly because windows phone, and therefore
touch-ui apps, was a colossal failure.

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#59237

In comp.mobile.android, nospam  <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:
> the comment was that tablets are dead, not specifically linux tablets.

That's only one possible (and narrow and unlikely) reading of it:

Article <00nlhf-u2a.ln1@hergen.dyndns.org> contains:

    > Any news on tablets and Linux?
    The tablet market is almost dead, most manufacturers already left
    the scene.

That's clearly a response to a question about tablets vis-a-vis Linux.

>> People with different eye defects than you or I disagree.
> people with eye defects aren't using tablets either, unless they have a
> braille attachment.

Apparently there's nothing between "perfect vision" and "zero vision"
for you. Monochromacy is an extremely rare form of color-blindness, yet
you see the world in black and white.

> meanwhile, plenty of people read a wide variety of content on phones,
> from webpages to ebooks and much more. a 6.5" phone shows a lot of
> text.

I have seen people use magnifying glasses to read the large print on an
iphone. 

> having a gui doesn't magically give something a touch ui.

No kidding. Having an active market of touch-screen computers that can
run arbitrary software (including the OS) is a good way to get people
working on making nice touch screen UIs for Linux.

> android has a linux kernel, but that's very different than a linux box.
> android apps use android apis, not linux apis.

The API isn't magic. It's one possible way to implement a touch UI.

> a tablet is overkill if all you want to do is pause or restart a print
> job or similar type task.

A 8"x11" touch screen is the ideal form factor to mount on the wall of my
printer room. There is no good space for anything mouse based, but there
is wall space. (And if it sticks out too far, there's no space for that
either.)

>> Apple's hardware is particularly ill-suited for what I want because it
>> is by hardware and software design intended to be a closed system.
> not at all true. what you describe above is trivially done with an ios
> device, although it's still overkill.

It's trivial to get iOS to control two printers, one USB only? Or did
you think I put a complete specification in? 

>> Android is a little better, but has serious obstacles in the way.
> such as?

Hard to do a whole lot until you root the damn thing.

> running windows apps is, mostly because windows phone, and therefore
> touch-ui apps, was a colossal failure.

My need to run anything at all under windows has been tax software one
week per year for about the last five to ten years. (And before you tell
me otherwise, and inform me of tax software for Macs, I'll point out IRS
Form 1041 taxes for estates is and has not been available for even Macs:
https://ttlc.intuit.com/questions/4369986-will-intuit-eventually-offer-turbotax-business-for-mac-or-the-ability-to-file-a-form-1041
)

But given that Intuit has actively lobbied to make US taxes more
complicated, because then people want to use programs like Turbotax, I
actively boycott them and use Taxact for for my tax filing needs.

https://www.vox.com/2016/3/29/11320386/turbotax-boycott-lobbying-tax-filing-season-tax-day-april-15

Elijah
------
also wants a greater diversity of phone operating systems

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#59253

In article <eli$1901231810@qaz.wtf>, Eli the Bearded
<*@eli.users.panix.com> wrote:

> In comp.mobile.android, nospam  <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:
> > the comment was that tablets are dead, not specifically linux tablets.
> 
> That's only one possible (and narrow and unlikely) reading of it:
> 
> Article <00nlhf-u2a.ln1@hergen.dyndns.org> contains:
> 
>     > Any news on tablets and Linux?
>     The tablet market is almost dead, most manufacturers already left
>     the scene.
> 
> That's clearly a response to a question about tablets vis-a-vis Linux.

true, but he generalized it to 'the tablet market'.

however, if you want to focus on linux tablets, they were never alive.
they're a tiny, tiny niche.

> >> People with different eye defects than you or I disagree.
> > people with eye defects aren't using tablets either, unless they have a
> > braille attachment.
> 
> Apparently there's nothing between "perfect vision" and "zero vision"
> for you. Monochromacy is an extremely rare form of color-blindness, yet
> you see the world in black and white.

nope. 

my point is that anyone who can read text on a tablet can read it on a
phone. obviously there's less screen space, but that just means there
will be more scrolling. 

> > meanwhile, plenty of people read a wide variety of content on phones,
> > from webpages to ebooks and much more. a 6.5" phone shows a lot of
> > text.
> 
> I have seen people use magnifying glasses to read the large print on an
> iphone. 

that's not typical and you know it. most people do not need to do
anything close to that.

and for someone with visual impairments such that they need to do that,
they could instead enable voiceover, which would read the text to them,
as well as ui elements so that they can use the iphone without needing
to see what's being displayed. 

> > having a gui doesn't magically give something a touch ui.
> 
> No kidding. Having an active market of touch-screen computers that can
> run arbitrary software (including the OS) is a good way to get people
> working on making nice touch screen UIs for Linux.

good luck on that.

> > android has a linux kernel, but that's very different than a linux box.
> > android apps use android apis, not linux apis.
> 
> The API isn't magic. It's one possible way to implement a touch UI.

it is, but the point is that linux part is hidden. google could switch
the linux kernel to something else (and there have been rumours to that
effect) and android app developers would not notice nor care.

> > a tablet is overkill if all you want to do is pause or restart a print
> > job or similar type task.
> 
> A 8"x11" touch screen is the ideal form factor to mount on the wall of my
> printer room. There is no good space for anything mouse based, but there
> is wall space. (And if it sticks out too far, there's no space for that
> either.)

an 8x11" tablet just to pause/resume a printer?

> >> Apple's hardware is particularly ill-suited for what I want because it
> >> is by hardware and software design intended to be a closed system.
> > not at all true. what you describe above is trivially done with an ios
> > device, although it's still overkill.
> 
> It's trivial to get iOS to control two printers, one USB only? Or did
> you think I put a complete specification in? 

to pause/resume a print job, sure. don't assume apple prevents
something because you don't know how to implement it.

how are you telling the printers to pause/resume? i assume that the usb
printer is normally connected to something other than a tablet, likely
reachable over the network. even if not, i can't think of any reason
why it could not be done.

> >> Android is a little better, but has serious obstacles in the way.
> > such as?
> 
> Hard to do a whole lot until you root the damn thing.

why do you need root to be able to tell a printer to pause?

> > running windows apps is, mostly because windows phone, and therefore
> > touch-ui apps, was a colossal failure.
> 
> My need to run anything at all under windows has been tax software one
> week per year for about the last five to ten years. (And before you tell
> me otherwise, and inform me of tax software for Macs, I'll point out IRS
> Form 1041 taxes for estates is and has not been available for even Macs:
>
> https://ttlc.intuit.com/questions/4369986-will-intuit-eventually-offer-turbota
> x-business-for-mac-or-the-ability-to-file-a-form-1041

i would suggest a vm. financial software is not a strong point for
macs. nothing does everything well.

> But given that Intuit has actively lobbied to make US taxes more
> complicated, because then people want to use programs like Turbotax, I
> actively boycott them and use Taxact for for my tax filing needs.

that's not surprising. it's the same reason a flat tax will never
happen. millions of tax preparers and accountants would be unemployed.

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#59272

On 24/01/2019 00.05, nospam wrote:

>>> linux wasn't designed for touch, nor was windows for that matter.
>>
>> X11 wasn't designed for touch. Linux is perfectly capable of running a
>> different GUI and having a different experience, ChromeOS and and
>> Android are specific examples of that happening. Wayland is supposed to
>> be another. I briefly tried MGR (https://hack.org/mc/mgr/) sometime
>> before I was married, so 20+ years ago; it's a GUI on Linux that is
>> not X11 at all.
> 
> having a gui doesn't magically give something a touch ui. 
> 
> android has a linux kernel, but that's very different than a linux box.
> android apps use android apis, not linux apis. 

Contrary to Windows or Apple, Linux GUI is not unique nor tied to the
system. You can have a Linux machine with a totally different graphic
GUI, using a totally different toolset and API, and with applications
that only run on that GUI. This is, arguably, what Android did. Thus it
is possible to design a Linux "desktop" to run on tablets using touch
screen: there would be a full Linux beneath, but applications would only
run on that desktop with a different API.

You can think of it as a graphic system on top of a text system.


It is not what Windows did (version 3), because Windows rewrote may
basic functions of the MsDOS OS that was running below it, as it was not
capable (things like memory limitations; having to rewrite basic
functionality to access the disk and files while accessing the entire
memory and not having to change CPU mode. Later and necessarily M$
dropped that model.


-- 
Cheers, Carlos.

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#59286

On 1/23/19 12:43 PM, Eli the Bearded wrote:
> Linux on a tablet is very much an interest of mine.

One of the guys on the Fedora mailing list said
he was using "Linux/Fedora Bay- and Cherry-Trail
based hardware" with good results

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#59306

In comp.mobile.android, T  <T@invalid.invalid> wrote:
> On 1/23/19 12:43 PM, Eli the Bearded wrote:
>> Linux on a tablet is very much an interest of mine.
> One of the guys on the Fedora mailing list said
> he was using "Linux/Fedora Bay- and Cherry-Trail
> based hardware" with good results

Hmmm.

https://cd-rw.org/t/running-ubuntu-linux-on-intel-baytrail-windows-tablets-linx-lamina-and-others/458

https://www.reddit.com/r/linuxquestions/comments/8j2zjc/running_distros_on_cheap_intel_atom_bay_trail/

Interesting, thanks.

Elijah
------
still running time catchup on personal projects though

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#59248

T <T@invalid.invalid> wrote:
> Hi all,
> 
> Any news on tablets and Linux?

What do you want them for?

It might be worth looking at Chrome OS tablets - I think they can also run
Linux apps (and Android apps too), although I haven't tried it.

While some people say it's not perfect, the Chrome OS touch UI is probably
smoother than Linux desktops' touch support (which exists, but you might
find sharp edges).

I suspect you're going to want a keyboard sooner or later though, as not
many Linux apps work well on touch alone.

Theo

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#59284

On 1/23/19 5:35 PM, Theo wrote:
> T <T@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>> Hi all,
>>
>> Any news on tablets and Linux?
> 
> What do you want them for?
> 
> It might be worth looking at Chrome OS tablets - I think they can also run
> Linux apps (and Android apps too), although I haven't tried it.
> 
> While some people say it's not perfect, the Chrome OS touch UI is probably
> smoother than Linux desktops' touch support (which exists, but you might
> find sharp edges).
> 
> I suspect you're going to want a keyboard sooner or later though, as not
> many Linux apps work well on touch alone.
> 
> Theo
> 

I want a Google and Apple free tablet

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#59285

T <T@invalid.invalid> Wrote in message:

> I want a Google and Apple free tablet

Easy. Amazon has a whole line of tablets... ;)

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123456789 <12345@12345.com> wrote:
> T <T@invalid.invalid> Wrote in message:
> 
> > I want a Google and Apple free tablet
> 
> Easy. Amazon has a whole line of tablets... ;)

However they are neither Google free nor Amazon free!  :-)

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On 25/01/2019 01.58, 123456789 wrote:
> T <T@invalid.invalid> Wrote in message:
> 
>> I want a Google and Apple free tablet
> 
> Easy. Amazon has a whole line of tablets... ;)
> 

Please say which ones run Linux. Not Android, nor Windows, nor Apple stuff.

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