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  Have you been getting an "Emergency Alert" from the "Presidential alert" system repeatedly today?  Arlen    Holder <a%rlenh.older@no.spam.net> - 2018-10-03 20:24 +0000
    Re: Have you been getting an "Emergency Alert" from the "Presidential alert" system repeatedly today? "Ivan D. Reid" <Ivan.Reid@ivan.fsnet.co.uk> - 2018-10-03 20:29 +0000
      Re: Have you been getting an "Emergency Alert" from the "Presidential alert" system repeatedly today?  Arlen    Holder <a%rlenh.older@no.spam.net> - 2018-10-03 20:40 +0000
        Re: Have you been getting an "Emergency Alert" from the "Presidential alert" system repeatedly today? The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> - 2018-10-03 14:06 -0700
          Re: Have you been getting an "Emergency Alert" from the "Presidential alert" system repeatedly today? The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> - 2018-10-03 14:40 -0700
            Re: Have you been getting an "Emergency Alert" from the "Presidential alert" system repeatedly today?  Arlen    Holder <a%rlenh.older@no.spam.net> - 2018-10-04 12:58 +0000
              Re: Have you been getting an "Emergency Alert" from the "Presidential alert" system repeatedly today? micky <NONONOmisc07@bigfoot.com> - 2018-10-04 15:31 -0400
          Re: Have you been getting an "Emergency Alert" from the "Presidential alert" system repeatedly today?  Arlen    Holder <a%rlenh.older@no.spam.net> - 2018-10-04 13:30 +0000
            Re: Have you been getting an "Emergency Alert" from the "Presidential alert" system repeatedly today? micky <NONONOmisc07@bigfoot.com> - 2018-10-04 15:10 -0400
    Re: Have you been getting an "Emergency Alert" from the "Presidential alert" system repeatedly today? "Percival P. Cassidy" <Nobody@NotMyISP.net> - 2018-10-03 20:28 -0400
      Re: Have you been getting an "Emergency Alert" from the "Presidential alert" system repeatedly today?  Arlen    Holder <a%rlenh.older@no.spam.net> - 2018-10-04 12:26 +0000
      Re: Have you been getting an "Emergency Alert" from the "Presidential alert" system repeatedly today? John McGaw <Nobody@Nowh.ere> - 2018-10-04 17:40 -0400
    Re: Have you been getting an "Emergency Alert" from the "Presidential alert" system repeatedly today? micky <NONONOmisc07@bigfoot.com> - 2018-10-04 15:02 -0400

#56242 — Have you been getting an "Emergency Alert" from the "Presidential alert" system repeatedly today?

Did you get an "Emergency Alert" from the "Presidential alert" system today?
 <http://www.bild.me/bild.php?file=1284702alert01.png>

My phone keeps annoying me on that alert popping up constantly.
 <http://www.bild.me/bild.php?file=8973162alert02.png>

Did you get the same "Presidential alert" today?
If so, how do you dismiss it without actually acknowledging it?

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#56243

On Wed, 3 Oct 2018 20:24:44 -0000 (UTC), Arlen Holder 
<a%rlenh.older@no.spam.net>
 wrote in <pp38ia$67o$1@news.mixmin.net>:
> Did you get an "Emergency Alert" from the "Presidential alert" system today?
> <http://www.bild.me/bild.php?file=1284702alert01.png>

> My phone keeps annoying me on that alert popping up constantly.
> <http://www.bild.me/bild.php?file=8973162alert02.png>

> Did you get the same "Presidential alert" today?
> If so, how do you dismiss it without actually acknowledging it?

	I didn't but then: a) I don't have a mobile phone; and b) I'm not
in the USA.

https://www.theregister.co.uk/2018/10/03/emergency_text_message/

-- 
                  Ivan Reid (ivan.reid@[brunel.ac.uk|cern.ch])
Engineering, Design & Physical Sciences                CMS Collaboration,
Brunel University London. Room TOWD405                 CERN, Room 40-1-B12
        KotPT -- "for stupidity above and beyond the call of duty".

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#56248

On Wed, 3 Oct 2018 20:29:48 -0000 (UTC), Ivan D. Reid wrote:

> 	I didn't but then: a) I don't have a mobile phone; and b) I'm not
> in the USA.
> 
> https://www.theregister.co.uk/2018/10/03/emergency_text_message/

We get so many of these bogus alerts here, that I didn't realize it was a
country-wide thing until I read that article you kindly sent.

We have amber-alerts galore where some guy takes the car and the wife wants
him tracked down so she hands the baby to the grandmother and then calls in
an amber alert kind of crap here so I'm already inured to the constant
alerts.

And even the Amber-Alert road signs are "alerting" us, literally, in big
bright orange letters to "turn of the water faucet" and stop watering our
lawns while we're driving down the highway for Christs' sake.

Looking this alert up, I see it can't be turned off.
 "Verizon, AT&T, Sprint and T-Mobile. Cell customers do not have the
ability to opt of the alerts, FEMA said."
  <https://www.al.com/news/index.ssf/2018/10/presidential_alert_text_messag.html>

 "Because the message is meant to include "critical lifesaving
information," it's designed to reach as many cell phones as possible, even
those that aren┤ activated or don't have SIM cards. The FEMA official said
that in past, smaller tests, about 75% of phones received the alert. If a
phone is off, or on a call at the time of the alert, the message many not
come through."
 <https://fox4kc.com/2018/10/03/have-a-cellphone-expect-a-presidential-alert-this-afternoon/>

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#56249

On 10/03/2018 01:40 PM, Arlen Holder wrote:
> On Wed, 3 Oct 2018 20:29:48 -0000 (UTC), Ivan D. Reid wrote:
>
>> 	I didn't but then: a) I don't have a mobile phone; and b) I'm not
>> in the USA.
>>
>> https://www.theregister.co.uk/2018/10/03/emergency_text_message/
>
> We get so many of these bogus alerts here, that I didn't realize it was a
> country-wide thing until I read that article you kindly sent.
>
> We have amber-alerts galore where some guy takes the car and the wife wants
> him tracked down so she hands the baby to the grandmother and then calls in
> an amber alert kind of crap here so I'm already inured to the constant
> alerts.
>
> And even the Amber-Alert road signs are "alerting" us, literally, in big
> bright orange letters to "turn of the water faucet" and stop watering our
> lawns while we're driving down the highway for Christs' sake.

I saw one last night -- goddam blinding orange lights -- informing us of 
some sort of 'Walkathon" somewhere.  Damn.  Even the Amber Alert things 
are useless -- unless you have an eidetic memory AND can check every 
single license plate you see.

I wonder how many times an Amber Alert has actually resulted in capture.

> Looking this alert up, I see it can't be turned off.
>   "Verizon, AT&T, Sprint and T-Mobile. Cell customers do not have the
> ability to opt of the alerts, FEMA said."
>    <https://www.al.com/news/index.ssf/2018/10/presidential_alert_text_messag.html>
>
>   "Because the message is meant to include "critical lifesaving
> information," it's designed to reach as many cell phones as possible, even
> those that aren¢t activated or don't have SIM cards. The FEMA official said
> that in past, smaller tests, about 75% of phones received the alert. If a
> phone is off, or on a call at the time of the alert, the message many not
> come through."
>   <https://fox4kc.com/2018/10/03/have-a-cellphone-expect-a-presidential-alert-this-afternoon/>

That wasn't an email or a text message.  WTF was it?

-- 
Cheers, Bev
    I'm not saying we should kill all the stupid people, I'm just
    saying let's remove all the warning labels and let the problem
    sort itself out.

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#56251

On 10/03/2018 02:06 PM, The Real Bev wrote:
> On 10/03/2018 01:40 PM, Arlen Holder wrote:
>> On Wed, 3 Oct 2018 20:29:48 -0000 (UTC), Ivan D. Reid wrote:
>>
>>> 	I didn't but then: a) I don't have a mobile phone; and b) I'm not
>>> in the USA.
>>>
>>> https://www.theregister.co.uk/2018/10/03/emergency_text_message/
>>
>> We get so many of these bogus alerts here, that I didn't realize it was a
>> country-wide thing until I read that article you kindly sent.
>>
>> We have amber-alerts galore where some guy takes the car and the wife wants
>> him tracked down so she hands the baby to the grandmother and then calls in
>> an amber alert kind of crap here so I'm already inured to the constant
>> alerts.
>>
>> And even the Amber-Alert road signs are "alerting" us, literally, in big
>> bright orange letters to "turn of the water faucet" and stop watering our
>> lawns while we're driving down the highway for Christs' sake.
>
> I saw one last night -- goddam blinding orange lights -- informing us of
> some sort of 'Walkathon" somewhere.  Damn.  Even the Amber Alert things
> are useless -- unless you have an eidetic memory AND can check every
> single license plate you see.
>
> I wonder how many times an Amber Alert has actually resulted in capture.

Amazingly often.  More than you wanted to know here:
https://www.amberalert.gov/pdfs/2016AMBERAlertReport.pdf

>> Looking this alert up, I see it can't be turned off.
>>   "Verizon, AT&T, Sprint and T-Mobile. Cell customers do not have the
>> ability to opt of the alerts, FEMA said."
>>    <https://www.al.com/news/index.ssf/2018/10/presidential_alert_text_messag.html>
>>
>>   "Because the message is meant to include "critical lifesaving
>> information," it's designed to reach as many cell phones as possible, even
>> those that aren¢t activated or don't have SIM cards. The FEMA official said
>> that in past, smaller tests, about 75% of phones received the alert. If a
>> phone is off, or on a call at the time of the alert, the message many not
>> come through."
>>   <https://fox4kc.com/2018/10/03/have-a-cellphone-expect-a-presidential-alert-this-afternoon/>
>
> That wasn't an email or a text message.  WTF was it?


-- 
Cheers, Bev
    I'm not saying we should kill all the stupid people, I'm just
    saying let's remove all the warning labels and let the problem
    sort itself out.

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#56276

On Wed, 3 Oct 2018 14:40:00 -0700, The Real Bev wrote:

> Amazingly often.  More than you wanted to know here:
> https://www.amberalert.gov/pdfs/2016AMBERAlertReport.pdf

IMHO, the California rampant abusive misuse of the Amber Alert Signs
(for example, to tell us, while we're driving, not to water our lawns)
has inured me to anything that they say (e.g., they tell us that the 
road could be wet when it's pouring rain ouside, and they tell us
that if we have an accident, then we should get out of the road, etc.)

NOTE: Those are not jokes. Those are real messages on the signs that we
paid for to be Amber Alert or Emergency Alert signs!

I haven't checked how many of those Amber Alerts turn out to be bogus
though so it would be nice to find out how many resulted in an arrest
and conviction - where I doubt more than a couple of a percent get to 
that level which, if true, would mean they're almost completely bogus).

Luckily, you can turn off those, IMHO, idiotic Amber Alerts 
on both iOS & Android phones...
 <https://www.digitaltrends.com/mobile/how-to-turn-off-amber-alerts/>

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#56298

In comp.mobile.android, on Thu, 4 Oct 2018 12:58:25 -0000 (UTC), Arlen
Holder <a%rlenh.older@no.spam.net> wrote:

>On Wed, 3 Oct 2018 14:40:00 -0700, The Real Bev wrote:
>
>> Amazingly often.  More than you wanted to know here:
>> https://www.amberalert.gov/pdfs/2016AMBERAlertReport.pdf
>
>IMHO, the California rampant abusive misuse of the Amber Alert Signs
>(for example, to tell us, while we're driving, not to water our lawns)
>has inured me to anything that they say (e.g., they tell us that the 
>road could be wet when it's pouring rain ouside, and they tell us
>that if we have an accident, then we should get out of the road, etc.)
>
>NOTE: Those are not jokes. Those are real messages on the signs that we
>paid for to be Amber Alert or Emergency Alert signs!
>
>I haven't checked how many of those Amber Alerts turn out to be bogus
>though so it would be nice to find out how many resulted in an arrest

The important thing, how many are FA, NFA, LIM, and ERU is on page 11. 

107, 60, 6, and 6, but they don't say what those abbreviations mean. 

I think I know but they should say.  Oh,  they say on page 6.  Who has
time to read the thing?  Family abduction, non-family abduction, lost
injured or otherwise missing, endangered runaway. 

So it's that group of 107 that people doubt, scorn, wonder about.  How
many would be serious if the police weren't involved. 

The numbers above are cases, 179, representing 231 children. 

4% involving 9 children were found to be hoaxes (where the reporting
person was lying but also including cases if any where the kid reported
himself missing, not what was complained about here.) 

>and conviction - where I doubt more than a couple of a percent get to 
>that level which, if true, would mean they're almost completely bogus).
>
>Luckily, you can turn off those, IMHO, idiotic Amber Alerts 
>on both iOS & Android phones...
> <https://www.digitaltrends.com/mobile/how-to-turn-off-amber-alerts/>


From Jan. 1, 2016, to Dec. 31, 2016, 179 AMBER Alerts were issued in the U.S. involving 231 children.

At the time the AMBER Alert cases were intaked at NCMEC there were 107 FAs, 60 NFAs, six LIMs and six
ERUs. Eight cases were later determined to be hoaxes, and 13 cases were later determined to be
unfounded.

Of the 179 AMBER Alerts issued from Jan. 1, 2016, to Dec. 31, 2016, 155 cases resulted in a recovery, 43
of which were successfully recovered as a direct result of an AMBER Alert being issued. As of Feb. 24,
2017, when statistics for this report were finalized, for the AMBER Alerts issued in 2016, three children
remained actively missing and 13 children were located deceased.


I would guess if no one confesses and there's no other proof, it's
possible for a hoax not to be recorded as a hoax.  OTOH, it might be
recorded as unfounded.  The study shows: 

A case is determined to be a hoax when either an individual falsely reports a child missing or when a child
reports him- or herself missing with the intent of misleading law enforcement.

In 2016, 4 percent (n=8) of AMBER Alerts issued involving nine children were later determined to be
hoaxes. Sixty-three percent (n=5) of hoaxes were originally intaked as FAs followed by NFAs at 25 percent
(n=2) and LIMs at 13 percent (n=1).

In 50 percent (n=4) of hoaxes, false information was provided by the child’s parent and 25 percent (n=2)
was provided by the child involved. Additionally, 25 percent (n=2) was provided by the child’s legal
guardian.

Children Involved in Hoaxes
In 2016, eight AMBER Alerts involving nine children were later determined to be hoaxes. Seventy-eight
percent (n=7) of children involved in hoaxes were girls, whereas boys represented 22 percent (n=2) of
children involved in hoaxes. Forty-three percent (n=3) of the girls involved in these hoaxes were 1 year of
age. The two boys involved in hoaxes were 1 and 9 years old.



Cases Determined to Be Unfounded 
A case is determined to be unfounded when a child is reported missing based on available information at
the time, but the investigation determines a child was never missing. Thirteen AMBER Alerts involving 23
children were determined to be unfounded, representing 7 percent of the total number of AMBER Alerts
issued in 2016. These unfounded cases were originally intaked as FAs at 62 percent (n=8), NFAs at 23
percent (n=3), LIMs at 8 percent (n=1) and ERUs at 8 percent (n=1).

Figure 6: Unfounded Cases by Case Type at Intake

Children Involved in Unfounded Cases
In 2016, 13 AMBER Alerts involving 23 children were later determined to be unfounded. Girls represented
57 percent (n=13) whereas boys represented 43 percent (n=10) of all children involved in unfounded
cases. Of the 13 girls involved in unfounded cases, 54 percent (n=7) ranged from 7 to 12 years of age. Of
the 10 boys involved in unfounded cases, 70 percent (n=7) were 6 and younger.

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#56280

On Wed, 3 Oct 2018 14:06:44 -0700, The Real Bev wrote:

> That wasn't an email or a text message.  WTF was it?

This article said 225 million people were supposed to get the alert.
<https://qz.com/1412525/why-you-didnt-get-the-fema-presidential-phone-alert/>

But that not everyone received the alert on their mobile phone:
  "One person reported receiving the alert on their T-Mobile 
   Samsung Note while experiencing absolute radio silence from 
   their iPhone X on the same carrier."

If, for some reason, you were spared, and you don't wish to repeat the
indignity, then you can actually contact FEMA to *ask* to be annoyed 
by the next alert.
  "If you didn┤ get the alert ... you can let the agency know at
   <FEMA-National-Test@fema.dhs.gov>

   "Include your cell phone provider, model, and whether you were 
    indoors or outdoors, stationary or moving, and in a rural or 
    urban setting. "

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#56297

In comp.mobile.android, on Thu, 4 Oct 2018 13:30:14 -0000 (UTC), Arlen
Holder <a%rlenh.older@no.spam.net> wrote:

>On Wed, 3 Oct 2018 14:06:44 -0700, The Real Bev wrote:
>
>> That wasn't an email or a text message.  WTF was it?
>
>This article said 225 million people were supposed to get the alert.
><https://qz.com/1412525/why-you-didnt-get-the-fema-presidential-phone-alert/>
>
>But that not everyone received the alert on their mobile phone:
>  "One person reported receiving the alert on their T-Mobile 
>   Samsung Note while experiencing absolute radio silence from 
>   their iPhone X on the same carrier."
>
>If, for some reason, you were spared, and you don't wish to repeat the
>indignity, then you can actually contact FEMA to *ask* to be annoyed 
>by the next alert.

My mother didn't know about Pearl Harbor until the next day, Monday. 

She didn't listen to the radio.  


>  "If you didn¢t get the alert ... you can let the agency know at
>   <FEMA-National-Test@fema.dhs.gov>
>
>   "Include your cell phone provider, model, and whether you were 
>    indoors or outdoors, stationary or moving, and in a rural or 
>    urban setting. "

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#56257

On 10/3/18 4:24 PM, Arlen Holder wrote:

> Did you get an "Emergency Alert" from the "Presidential alert" system today?
>   <http://www.bild.me/bild.php?file=1284702alert01.png>
> 
> My phone keeps annoying me on that alert popping up constantly.
>   <http://www.bild.me/bild.php?file=8973162alert02.png>
> 
> Did you get the same "Presidential alert" today?
> If so, how do you dismiss it without actually acknowledging it?

I didn't press OK on the alert at 2:18, and I got it again 10 or 15 
minutes later. My wife had pressed OK on her phone and didn't get a repeat.

Perhaps if I had turned my phone off before 2:18, as I understand many 
people were planning to do, perhaps I would have got the alert when I 
turned the phone on again.

Perce

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#56274

On Wed, 3 Oct 2018 20:28:11 -0400, Percival P. Cassidy wrote:

> I didn't press OK on the alert at 2:18, and I got it again 10 or 15 
> minutes later. My wife had pressed OK on her phone and didn't get a repeat.

I never pressed the "Confirm" button either.
Hence, the alert kept coming back for a couple of hours.

It seems to have finally gone away.
The good news is we both proved there's no need to "Confirm".

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#56299

On 10/3/2018 8:28 PM, Percival P. Cassidy wrote:
> On 10/3/18 4:24 PM, Arlen Holder wrote:
> 
>> Did you get an "Emergency Alert" from the "Presidential alert" system today?
>>   <http://www.bild.me/bild.php?file=1284702alert01.png>
>>
>> My phone keeps annoying me on that alert popping up constantly.
>>   <http://www.bild.me/bild.php?file=8973162alert02.png>
>>
>> Did you get the same "Presidential alert" today?
>> If so, how do you dismiss it without actually acknowledging it?
> 
> I didn't press OK on the alert at 2:18, and I got it again 10 or 15 minutes 
> later. My wife had pressed OK on her phone and didn't get a repeat.
> 
> Perhaps if I had turned my phone off before 2:18, as I understand many 
> people were planning to do, perhaps I would have got the alert when I 
> turned the phone on again.
> 
> Perce
> 
I turned off my phone at around 2:00 and back on at 3:00. You never know 
what sort of malware might be headed down the ether given the source...

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#56296

In comp.mobile.android, on Wed, 3 Oct 2018 20:24:44 -0000 (UTC), Arlen
Holder <a%rlenh.older@no.spam.net> wrote:

>Did you get an "Emergency Alert" from the "Presidential alert" system today?
> <http://www.bild.me/bild.php?file=1284702alert01.png>

The so-called president knows how I feel about him and knows I don't
want him contacting me.  So he didn't. 


The phone was probably off. 

I turn my phone off as soon as I talk to the one person who calls me on
it, and don't turn it back on until a) I need it, which is rarely b) a
couple hours before she might call me again.


>My phone keeps annoying me on that alert popping up constantly.
> <http://www.bild.me/bild.php?file=8973162alert02.png>
>
>Did you get the same "Presidential alert" today?

If they hadn't named it after Stumpie, I would have turned the phone on
and waited to participate. 


>If so, how do you dismiss it without actually acknowledging it?

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