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Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting

Started byAlan <nuh-uh@nope.com>
First post2024-11-24 17:44 -0800
Last post2024-11-27 11:20 -0600
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  Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-11-24 17:44 -0800
    Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-11-24 21:03 -0500
      Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-11-24 18:17 -0800
        Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-11-24 21:37 -0500
          Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-11-24 18:42 -0800
            Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-11-24 21:58 -0500
              Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-11-24 18:59 -0800
                Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-11-24 22:19 -0500
                  Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-11-24 19:32 -0800
              Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2024-11-24 22:48 -0500
                Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-11-24 19:52 -0800
                  Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-11-24 23:20 -0500
                    Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-11-24 23:46 -0800
                      Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-11-25 06:18 -0500
                        Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-11-26 14:29 -0800
                          Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-11-26 17:51 -0500
                            Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-11-26 15:12 -0800
                              Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-11-26 18:26 -0500
                                Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> - 2024-11-27 10:59 -0600
                            Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> - 2024-11-27 10:55 -0600
                              Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-11-27 11:31 -0800
                                Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> - 2024-12-02 11:16 -0600
                                  Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-12-02 14:09 -0500
                                    Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> - 2024-12-02 13:26 -0600
                                      Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-12-02 14:55 -0500
                                        Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> - 2024-12-03 08:47 -0600
                                    Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Pierre <pierrej@shaw.ca> - 2024-12-03 09:51 +0100
                          Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> - 2024-11-27 10:50 -0600
                    Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> - 2024-11-25 15:35 -0600
                  Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> - 2024-11-25 15:33 -0600
                    Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> - 2024-11-25 22:32 +0000
                Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-11-24 23:15 -0500
                  Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-11-24 23:46 -0800
                    Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2024-11-25 07:08 -0500
                      Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-11-25 07:46 -0500
                        Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2024-11-25 08:43 -0500
                          Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-11-25 08:59 -0500
                            Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2024-11-25 10:32 -0500
                              Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-11-26 08:32 -0500
                                Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2024-11-26 09:58 -0500
                                  Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-11-26 10:35 -0500
                                    Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-11-26 11:13 -0500
                                      Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> - 2024-11-27 10:45 -0600
                                    Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2024-11-27 12:01 -0500
                                      Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-11-27 12:32 -0500
                                        Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> - 2024-11-27 12:45 -0600
                                        Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2024-11-27 13:50 -0500
                                          Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-11-27 14:19 -0500
                                            Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2024-11-27 14:32 -0500
                                              Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-11-27 15:05 -0500
                                                Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-11-27 12:28 -0800
                                                  Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-11-27 15:54 -0500
                                                    Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-11-27 15:58 -0800
                                                      Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> - 2024-12-02 11:25 -0600
                                                        Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-12-02 14:16 -0500
                                                          Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> - 2024-12-02 13:41 -0600
                                                            Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-12-02 14:59 -0500
                                                              Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> - 2024-12-03 09:09 -0600
                                                    Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> - 2024-12-02 11:24 -0600
                                                      Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2024-12-02 13:49 -0500
                                                        Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-12-02 14:28 -0500
                                                          Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2024-12-02 16:11 -0500
                                                            Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-12-02 16:38 -0500
                                                          Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> - 2024-12-03 08:58 -0600
                                                            Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-12-03 13:34 -0500
                                                              Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> - 2024-12-04 10:55 -0600
                                                                Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-12-04 12:45 -0500
                                                                  Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-12-04 09:59 -0800
                                                                    Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-12-04 13:17 -0500
                                                                      Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> - 2024-12-04 13:01 -0600
                                                                  Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> - 2024-12-04 12:59 -0600
                                                            Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2024-12-03 14:03 -0500
                                                              Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> - 2024-12-04 11:00 -0600
                                                Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2024-11-27 16:26 -0500
                                                  Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-11-27 16:56 -0500
                                                    Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> - 2024-12-02 11:27 -0600
                                                Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> - 2024-12-02 11:21 -0600
                                                  Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-12-02 14:13 -0500
                                                    Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> - 2024-12-02 13:33 -0600
                                                      Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-12-02 14:56 -0500
                                                        Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> - 2024-12-03 08:52 -0600
                                            Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-11-27 11:32 -0800
                                              Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-11-27 15:08 -0500
                                                Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-11-27 12:32 -0800
                                                  Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-11-27 16:00 -0500
                                                    Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-11-27 16:00 -0800
                                            Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> - 2024-12-02 11:18 -0600
                                              Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-12-02 14:10 -0500
                                                Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> - 2024-12-02 13:30 -0600
                                    Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> - 2024-11-27 10:37 -0600
                                  Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> - 2024-11-26 10:06 -0600
                                Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> - 2024-11-26 10:03 -0600
                                Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-11-26 14:32 -0800
                                  Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-11-26 17:54 -0500
                                    Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-11-26 15:15 -0800
                                    Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> - 2024-11-27 00:04 +0000
                                      Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-11-26 19:16 -0500
                                        Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Yon Wane <"yonwane-lol!"@pac2.com> - 2024-11-26 22:27 -0800
                                          Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-11-27 08:29 -0500
                                            Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> - 2024-11-27 11:18 -0600
                                            Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting ppd382 <xyz@vote.com> - 2025-03-11 08:13 +0000
                                              Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Mai Keister <m.keister@altopia.net> - 2025-03-11 13:59 -0700
                                            Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting "jubox@ovens.net" <jubox@ovens.net> - 2025-03-18 17:48 +0000
                                              Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting orangeneck <orangeneck@127.0.0.1> - 2025-03-29 22:06 +0100
                            Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> - 2024-11-25 15:42 -0600
                            Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-11-26 14:31 -0800
                              Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-11-26 17:53 -0500
                                Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-11-26 15:13 -0800
                                  Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-11-26 18:28 -0500
                                    Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-11-26 15:38 -0800
                                      Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-11-26 18:58 -0500
                                        Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-11-26 16:16 -0800
                                          Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-11-26 19:42 -0500
                                            Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-11-26 17:33 -0800
                                              Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-11-26 20:48 -0500
                                                Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2024-11-27 06:25 -0500
                                                  Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> - 2024-11-27 11:17 -0600
                                                  Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-12-06 19:28 -0500
                                                    Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2024-12-07 13:18 -0500
                                                      Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-12-07 17:03 -0500
                                                        Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-12-07 14:17 -0800
                                                          Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-12-07 17:39 -0500
                                                            Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-12-07 15:40 -0800
                                                              Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-12-07 18:53 -0500
                                                                Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-12-07 16:01 -0800
                                                                  Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-12-07 19:19 -0500
                                                                    Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-12-07 16:45 -0800
                                                                      Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-12-07 20:14 -0500
                                                                        Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-12-07 17:31 -0800
                                                                          Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-12-07 20:43 -0500
                                                                            Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-12-07 17:48 -0800
                                                                              Microsoft Linux Distro (was: Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting) vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2024-12-08 01:53 +0000
                                                                              Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-12-07 20:58 -0500
                                                                                Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> - 2024-12-09 10:00 -0600
                                                                              Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> - 2024-12-09 09:59 -0600
                                                                            Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> - 2024-12-09 09:56 -0600
                                                                          Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> - 2024-12-09 09:48 -0600
                                                                        Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> - 2024-12-09 09:38 -0600
                                                                      Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> - 2024-12-09 09:36 -0600
                                                                        Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-12-09 09:48 -0800
                                                                          Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-12-09 12:55 -0500
                                                                            Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-12-09 10:01 -0800
                                                                              Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-12-09 13:13 -0500
                                                                                Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-12-09 10:24 -0800
                                                                                  Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2024-12-09 13:56 -0500
                                                                                    Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-12-09 10:57 -0800
                                                                                      Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> - 2024-12-10 08:56 -0600
                                                                                  Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-12-09 14:02 -0500
                                                                                    Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-12-09 11:21 -0800
                                                                                      Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-12-09 14:29 -0500
                                                                                        Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-12-09 11:33 -0800
                                                                                          Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> - 2024-12-10 09:02 -0600
                                                                                          Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Wayne Kerr <waynek@msu.edu> - 2024-12-14 21:50 +0100
                                                                                            Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-12-14 13:17 -0800
                                                                                        Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> - 2024-12-10 09:01 -0600
                                                                                          Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Wayne Kerr <waynek@msu.edu> - 2024-12-14 21:14 +0100
                                                                                            Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-12-14 13:17 -0800
                                                                                              Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-12-14 16:21 -0500
                                                                                                Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-12-14 13:34 -0800
                                                                                                  Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-12-14 17:09 -0500
                                                                                                    Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-12-14 14:25 -0800
                                                                                                      Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-12-14 17:32 -0500
                                                                                                        Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-12-14 14:41 -0800
                                                                                                          Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-12-14 17:51 -0500
                                                                                                            Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-12-14 15:04 -0800
                                                                                                              Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-12-15 05:56 -0500
                                                                                                                Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-12-15 09:24 -0800
                                                                                                                  Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-12-15 13:30 -0500
                                                                                                                    Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-12-16 11:38 -0800
                                                                                                                      Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-12-16 15:05 -0500
                                                                                                                        Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-12-16 12:26 -0800
                                                                                                                          Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-12-16 15:58 -0500
                                                                                                                            Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-12-16 13:10 -0800
                                                                                                                              Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-12-16 18:07 -0500
                                                                                                                                Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2024-12-16 19:56 -0500
                                                                                                                                  Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-12-17 10:39 -0500
                                                                                                                                    Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-12-17 10:30 -0800
                                                                                                                                Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-12-17 10:16 -0800
                                                                                                                                  Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-12-17 13:20 -0500
                                                                                                                                    Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-12-17 10:33 -0800
                                                                                                                                      Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-12-17 13:43 -0500
                                                                                                                                        Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-12-17 10:51 -0800
                                                                                                                                          Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-12-17 14:52 -0500
                                                                                                                                            Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-12-17 12:35 -0800
                                                                                                                                          Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2024-12-17 15:39 -0500
                                                                                                                              Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> - 2024-12-25 12:53 -0600
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                                                                                                                  Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2024-12-15 15:42 -0500
                                                                                                                    Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-12-15 15:48 -0500
                                                                                                                      Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2024-12-15 16:47 -0500
                                                                                                                        Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-12-15 17:01 -0500
                                                                                                                          Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2024-12-15 22:34 -0500
                                                                                                                            Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-12-16 10:25 -0500
                                                                                                                              Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2024-12-16 11:40 -0500
                                                                                                                                Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-12-16 12:02 -0500
                                                                                                                                  Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2024-12-16 12:50 -0500
                                                                                                                                    Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-12-16 12:54 -0500
                                                                                                                                      Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-12-16 11:08 -0800
                                                                                                                                        Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-12-16 14:13 -0500
                                                                                                                                          Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-12-16 11:31 -0800
                                                                                                                                            Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-12-16 14:36 -0500
                                                                                                                                              Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-12-16 11:47 -0800
                                                                                                                                                Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-12-16 15:22 -0500
                                                                                                                                                  Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-12-16 12:37 -0800
                                                                                                                                                    Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-12-16 16:09 -0500
                                                                                                                                                      Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-12-16 13:13 -0800
                                                                                                                                                        Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-12-16 18:18 -0500
                                                                                                                                                          Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-12-17 10:25 -0800
                                                                                                                                                            Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-12-17 13:39 -0500
                                                                                                                                                              Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-12-17 10:45 -0800
                                                                                                                                                                Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-12-17 14:50 -0500
                                                                                                                                                                  Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-12-17 12:35 -0800
                                                                                                                                                                    Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2024-12-17 15:45 -0500
                                                                                                                                                                  Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> - 2024-12-25 12:02 -0600
                                                                                                                                                                  Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> - 2024-12-25 12:14 -0600
                                                                                                                                                                Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> - 2024-12-25 12:01 -0600
                                                                                                                                                              Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> - 2024-12-25 11:56 -0600
                                                                                                                                                          Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> - 2024-12-25 11:55 -0600
                                                                                                                                                      Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> - 2024-12-25 11:54 -0600
                                                                                                                                                  Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> - 2024-12-25 11:54 -0600
                                                                                                                                              Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> - 2024-12-25 11:53 -0600
                                                                                                                                          Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> - 2024-12-25 11:50 -0600
                                                                                                                                        Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> - 2024-12-25 11:48 -0600
                                                                                                                                      Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> - 2024-12-25 11:46 -0600
                                                                                                                                  Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-12-16 11:13 -0800
                                                                                                                                    Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-12-16 14:35 -0500
                                                                                                                                      Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-12-16 11:45 -0800
                                                                                                                                        Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-12-16 15:20 -0500
                                                                                                                                          Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-12-16 12:37 -0800
                                                                                                                                            Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-12-16 16:10 -0500
                                                                                                                                              Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-12-16 13:14 -0800
                                                                                                                                                Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-12-16 18:20 -0500
                                                                                                                                                  Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-12-17 10:25 -0800
                                                                                                                                                    Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-12-17 13:41 -0500
                                                                                                                                                      Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-12-17 10:46 -0800
                                                                                                                                                        Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-12-17 14:51 -0500
                                                                                                                                                          Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-12-17 12:36 -0800
                                                                                                                                                            Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-12-17 16:09 -0500
                                                                                                                                                              Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2024-12-17 16:34 -0500
                                                                                                                                                                Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-12-17 19:19 -0500
                                                                                                                                                                  Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-12-17 16:22 -0800
                                                                                                                                                                    Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-12-17 20:26 -0500
                                                                                                                                                                      Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-12-17 18:21 -0800
                                                                                                                                                                        Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-12-18 09:03 -0500
                                                                                                                                                                          Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-12-18 09:24 -0800
                                                                                                                                                                            Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-12-18 13:01 -0500
                                                                                                                                                                              Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-12-18 10:36 -0800
                                                                                                                                                                                Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-12-18 14:03 -0500
                                                                                                                                                                                  Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> - 2024-12-25 12:41 -0600
                                                                                                                                                                                Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting will <willford@yahoo.com> - 2024-12-21 01:50 +0100
                                                                                                                                                                                  Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-12-20 17:01 -0800
                                                                                                                                                                                    Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-12-20 20:19 -0500
                                                                                                                                                                                      Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-12-20 17:42 -0800
                                                                                                                                                                                        Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-12-20 20:50 -0500
                                                                                                                                                                                          Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-12-20 17:53 -0800
                                                                                                                                                                                            Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-12-20 21:57 -0500
                                                                                                                                                                                              Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-12-20 19:06 -0800
                                                                                                                                                                                                Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-12-20 22:17 -0500
                                                                                                                                                                                                  Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-12-21 10:10 -0800
                                                                                                                                                                                                    Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-12-21 16:10 -0500
                                                                                                                                                                                          Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> - 2024-12-25 12:43 -0600
                                                                                                                                                                                        Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2024-12-20 22:05 -0500
                                                                                                                                                                                          Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-12-20 22:15 -0500
                                                                                                                                                                                          Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-12-20 23:31 -0500
                                                                                                                                                                                            Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2024-12-21 08:44 -0500
                                                                                                                                                                                            Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-12-21 10:11 -0800
                                                                                                                                                                                              Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-12-21 16:13 -0500
                                                                                                                                                                                                Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Din004 <din004@oracle.com> - 2024-12-25 10:44 +0100
                                                                                                                                                                                                  Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2024-12-25 09:26 -0500
                                                                                                                                                                                                  Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-12-25 11:55 -0800
                                                                                                                                                                                                    Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> - 2024-12-26 02:07 +0000
                                                                                                                                                                                                      Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-12-25 23:07 -0800
                                                                                                                                                                                                        Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting alex <alex_@pintrest.com> - 2024-12-26 00:44 -0800
                                                                                                                                                                                                          Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2024-12-26 09:39 -0500
                                                                                                                                                                                                            Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Jon Ball <jon-ball@spectrum.com> - 2024-12-26 22:09 +0100
                                                                                                                                                                                                              Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-12-26 13:37 -0800
                                                                                                                                                                                                              Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting wasabi <lotso@jollyroger.com> - 2024-12-28 14:33 -0800
                                                                                                                                                                                                                Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-12-28 14:36 -0800
                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-12-28 17:43 -0500
                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-12-28 14:47 -0800
                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-12-28 17:55 -0500
                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-12-28 15:55 -0800
                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-12-28 19:00 -0500
                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-12-28 16:02 -0800
                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-12-28 20:30 -0500
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-12-28 19:02 -0800
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-12-28 22:07 -0500
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-12-28 19:42 -0800
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-12-28 22:48 -0500
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-12-28 19:53 -0800
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-12-28 23:04 -0500
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-12-28 20:07 -0800
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-12-28 23:16 -0500
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-12-28 21:53 -0800
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-12-29 14:09 -0500
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-12-29 11:21 -0800
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-12-29 14:34 -0500
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-12-29 11:37 -0800
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-12-29 14:47 -0500
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-12-29 12:15 -0800
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-12-29 15:22 -0500
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-12-29 12:42 -0800
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-12-29 16:08 -0500
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-12-29 16:40 -0800
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-12-29 19:59 -0500
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-12-29 17:10 -0800
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Jack Sovalot <hee-cawkforme@jack.sovalot> - 2024-12-30 04:09 -0500
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Red Zone <redzone@trump.com> - 2024-12-30 19:45 +0000
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-12-30 14:57 -0500
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-12-30 12:05 -0800
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-12-30 15:27 -0500
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> - 2024-12-30 21:25 +0000
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Nomen Nescio <nobody@dizum.com> - 2024-12-31 00:54 +0100
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> - 2024-12-31 06:38 -0500
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Jack Sovalot <hee-cawkforme@jack.sovalot> - 2024-12-30 16:59 -0500
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> - 2024-12-31 06:36 -0500
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> - 2024-12-30 10:52 -0500
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-12-29 12:56 -0800
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-12-29 16:13 -0500
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-12-29 16:42 -0800
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-12-29 20:00 -0500
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-12-29 17:10 -0800
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-12-29 21:46 -0500
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-12-29 18:52 -0800
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-12-29 22:09 -0500
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-12-29 19:22 -0800
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-12-29 22:27 -0500
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-12-29 19:39 -0800
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> - 2024-12-30 10:59 -0500
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> - 2024-12-30 10:59 -0500
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> - 2024-12-30 10:57 -0500
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> - 2024-12-30 10:56 -0500
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> - 2024-12-30 10:54 -0500
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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> - 2024-12-30 10:47 -0500
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> - 2024-12-30 10:45 -0500
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> - 2024-12-30 10:44 -0500
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting "Petry F." <petry_f@hushmail.com> - 2024-12-29 04:25 +0000
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-12-28 21:54 -0800
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> - 2024-12-30 10:42 -0500
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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> - 2024-12-30 18:23 +0000
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-12-30 10:30 -0800
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-12-30 13:42 -0500
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-12-30 11:23 -0800
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-12-30 14:55 -0500
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-12-30 11:58 -0800
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-12-30 15:25 -0500
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-12-30 15:01 -0800
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-12-30 18:07 -0500
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-12-30 15:19 -0800
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-12-30 18:41 -0500
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-12-30 15:43 -0800
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> - 2024-12-31 06:30 -0500
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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> - 2024-12-31 06:27 -0500
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-12-30 12:04 -0800
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-12-30 15:26 -0500
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-12-30 15:13 -0800
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-12-30 18:23 -0500
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-12-30 15:40 -0800
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-12-30 19:14 -0500
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-12-30 23:04 -0800
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-12-31 11:52 -0500
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Byrd <byrd@someoem.com> - 2025-01-02 03:02 +0100
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-01-01 21:08 -0500
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-01-01 18:44 -0800
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-01-01 22:01 -0500
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-01-01 22:12 -0500
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Rudy Ball <rudyball@gmx.com> - 2025-01-03 19:02 +0000
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-01-03 11:20 -0800
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-01-03 15:19 -0500
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-01-03 14:54 -0800
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-01-03 18:40 -0500
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-01-03 16:18 -0800
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-01-03 19:28 -0500
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-01-03 17:11 -0800
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-01-03 20:24 -0500
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-01-03 17:40 -0800
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-01-03 20:59 -0500
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-01-03 19:39 -0800
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-01-05 14:29 -0500
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-01-05 12:36 -0800
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-01-05 20:53 -0500
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-01-05 18:19 -0800
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-01-05 21:29 -0500
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-01-05 18:32 -0800
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-01-05 21:47 -0500
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-01-05 19:03 -0800
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-01-05 22:14 -0500
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-01-05 19:39 -0800
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-01-05 22:50 -0500
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-01-05 23:32 -0800
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> - 2025-01-06 08:11 -0500
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Clint <clintb@infiniti.net> - 2025-01-13 00:36 -0800
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-01-13 09:16 -0800
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> - 2025-01-06 08:11 -0500
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Rudy Johnson <rudyj@google.com> - 2025-01-21 14:06 -0800
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-01-21 14:18 -0800
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Sadler <sadler@msn.com> - 2025-01-26 06:28 +0000
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Rudy Canoza <rudy@phil.hendrie.con> - 2025-01-22 03:46 -0500
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> - 2025-01-06 08:10 -0500
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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting AlphaHeater <AlphaHeater21@6959.concepte.store> - 2025-01-06 02:50 +0000
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> - 2025-01-06 08:07 -0500
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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> - 2024-12-31 06:25 -0500
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2025-01-01 07:31 -0500
                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> - 2024-12-28 21:50 -0500
                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Nomen Nescio <nobody@dizum.com> - 2024-12-29 01:30 +0100
                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> - 2024-12-28 21:49 -0500
                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting wasabi <lotso@jollyroger.com> - 2024-12-28 15:57 -0800
                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-12-28 16:03 -0800
                                                                                                                                                                                                          Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-12-26 08:39 -0800
                                                                                                                                                                                                  Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-12-25 19:24 -0500
                                                                                                                                                                                                    Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> - 2024-12-26 11:05 -0600
                                                                                                                                                                                          Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting ND beat Indy <choke@choke.choke> - 2024-12-20 21:37 -0800
                                                                                                                                                                                            Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2024-12-21 09:35 -0500
                                                                                                                                                                                  Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-12-20 20:17 -0500
                                                                                                                                                                                    Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-12-20 17:18 -0800
                                                                                                                                                                                      Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-12-20 20:30 -0500
                                                                                                                                                                                  Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> - 2024-12-25 12:41 -0600
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                                                                                                                                                                            Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Gary M. Stewart <flatfish@linuxmail.org> - 2024-12-25 21:48 +0100
                                                                                                                                                                        Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> - 2024-12-25 12:36 -0600
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                                                                                                                                                              Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-12-17 14:06 -0800
                                                                                                                                                            Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> - 2024-12-25 12:29 -0600
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                                                                                                                                      Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> - 2024-12-25 12:18 -0600
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                                                                                                                          Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-12-16 11:42 -0800
                                                                                                                            Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-12-16 15:16 -0500
                                                                                                                              Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-12-16 12:33 -0800
                                                                                                                                Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-12-16 16:04 -0500
                                                                                                                                  Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-12-16 13:13 -0800
                                                                                                                                    Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-12-16 18:18 -0500
                                                                                                                                      Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-12-17 10:20 -0800
                                                                                                                                  Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2024-12-16 16:29 -0500
                                                                                                                                    Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-12-16 17:53 -0500
                                                                                                                                      Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2024-12-16 19:51 -0500
                                                                                                                                        Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-12-17 10:38 -0500
                                                                                                                                        Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-12-17 10:29 -0800
                                                                                                                                      Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-12-17 10:18 -0800
                                                                                                                                        Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-12-17 13:23 -0500
                                                                                                                                          Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-12-17 10:31 -0800
                                                                                                                                          Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> - 2024-12-25 13:20 -0600
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                                                                                                                      Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-12-16 11:40 -0800
                                                                                                                        Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-12-16 15:08 -0500
                                                                                                                          Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-12-16 12:29 -0800
                                                                                                                            Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-12-16 16:01 -0500
                                                                                                                              Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-12-16 13:30 -0800
                                                                                                                                Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-12-16 18:24 -0500
                                                                                                                                  Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2024-12-16 21:11 -0500
                                                                                                                                  Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-12-17 10:28 -0800
                                                                                                                                Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> - 2024-12-25 13:11 -0600
                                                                                                                              Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> - 2024-12-25 13:09 -0600
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                                                                                                                Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting hank <none@invalid.org> - 2024-12-16 00:02 +0100
                                                                                                                  Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-12-16 09:06 -0800
                                                                                                Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2024-12-14 18:21 -0500
                                                                                                  Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting hank <none@invalid.org> - 2024-12-15 23:06 +0100
                                                                                                    Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-12-15 15:41 -0800
                                                                                                      Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Duc Nguyen <dnguyen@somecorp.org> - 2024-12-15 19:10 -0800
                                                                                                        Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2024-12-15 22:50 -0500
                                                                                                        Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-12-15 22:42 -0800
                                                                                                    Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2024-12-15 22:35 -0500
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                                                                                Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> - 2024-12-10 08:51 -0600
                                                                            Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> - 2024-12-10 08:49 -0600
                                                                    Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> - 2024-12-09 09:34 -0600
                                                                  Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> - 2024-12-09 09:32 -0600
                                                                Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> - 2024-12-09 09:31 -0600
                                                              Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2024-12-07 23:59 +0000
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                                                            Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Rudy Canoza <rc@thejollykone.con> - 2024-12-08 04:06 -0500
                                                              Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> - 2024-12-09 10:02 -0600
                                                            Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting T. Walz <tampons4sale@dont-email.me> - 2024-12-08 12:41 +0100
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                                                        Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2024-12-09 13:46 -0500
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      Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2024-11-24 22:41 -0500
        Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-11-24 23:13 -0500
          Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-11-24 23:47 -0800
          Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2024-11-25 06:59 -0500
            Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-11-25 07:44 -0500
              Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2024-11-25 08:18 -0500
                Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-11-25 08:35 -0500
                  Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2024-11-25 08:58 -0500
                    Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-11-25 09:09 -0500
                      Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2024-11-25 10:40 -0500
                        Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-11-26 08:35 -0500
                          Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2024-11-26 09:59 -0500
                            Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-11-26 10:44 -0500
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              Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-11-26 16:16 -0800
                Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-11-26 19:46 -0500
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#144391

From-hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com>
Date2024-11-25 08:18 -0500
Message-ID<vi1tfj$2o5tj$4@dont-email.me>
In reply to#144388
On 11/25/24 7:44 AM, Joel wrote:
> -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> wrote:
> 
>>>>> When I built the computer, the old monitor was still in use.
>>>>> Later, I bought a 4K monitor.  The CPU's video handled it but barely,
>>>>> the NVIDIA card made it work more smoothly.
>>>>
>>>> And yet when you bought this PC in 2022 [it was 2021], you didn't anticipate the
>>>> likelihood of getting a 4K display to replace the 1080p when it died?
>>>
>>> What difference would that have made?
>>
>> Because buying a subsystem just once instead of buying it twice may
>> mean that you pay less overall:  "Lifecyle cost management 101."
> 
> 
> The CPU's video is built into the CPU.  It's still there right now, if
> I plug a DP cable into the motherboard's video port, but instead I use
> the discrete card, now.

But since as you've said that its GPU wasn't up to the task, maybe you 
should have saved $30 upfront and bought the Core i5-10400F instead of 
the Core i5-10400, so as to not pay for that inadequate integrated GPU?
Doing so would have lowered your lifecycle costs.

>>>> Remind us again for just much money you have sunk into it already?
>>>   
>>> The video card was around $100.
>>
>> Which gets added to the 2021 base system's price, bringing your total
>> invested lifecycle cost to date to be ... how much?
> 
> No more or less than it's actually worth - which is the point.  With
> Apple, I'd pay more up front, whether I needed it or not.

Yup, yet another dodge.  Is it because you really don't know how much 
you spent, or you simply know that you're going to get critiqued (and 
perhaps slaughtered) if you do say how much?



>>> 32 GB is about right, for my usage.
>>
>> Not today it isn't: it is still being underutilized at ~3 years system
>> age, which undermines your claimed argument of the value of moduarlity
>> for lower lifecycle costs.  Looks like you were 5+ years too early in
>> spending money for RAM that you won't really need until after 2027.
> 
> As my computer stays booted up, RAM use approaches the full quantity,
> including cache.  I watch this in System Monitor.

Still doesn't matter:  if you're never hitting swap, its an excess 
capability that 3 years after purchase you *still* didn't need to invest 
in yet.  As such, you've violated the very reason for why you claimed 
that a user-upgradable modular system is worth more to you.



-hh

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#144393

FromJoel <joelcrump@gmail.com>
Date2024-11-25 08:35 -0500
Message-ID<55v8kjtgs75eev3m4khi5bqvhec7g2180m@4ax.com>
In reply to#144391
-hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> wrote:

>>>>>> When I built the computer, the old monitor was still in use.
>>>>>> Later, I bought a 4K monitor.  The CPU's video handled it but barely,
>>>>>> the NVIDIA card made it work more smoothly.
>>>>>
>>>>> And yet when you bought this PC in 2022 [it was 2021], you didn't anticipate the
>>>>> likelihood of getting a 4K display to replace the 1080p when it died?
>>>>
>>>> What difference would that have made?
>>>
>>> Because buying a subsystem just once instead of buying it twice may
>>> mean that you pay less overall:  "Lifecyle cost management 101."
>> 
>> The CPU's video is built into the CPU.  It's still there right now, if
>> I plug a DP cable into the motherboard's video port, but instead I use
>> the discrete card, now.
>
>But since as you've said that its GPU wasn't up to the task, maybe you 
>should have saved $30 upfront and bought the Core i5-10400F instead of 
>the Core i5-10400, so as to not pay for that inadequate integrated GPU?
>Doing so would have lowered your lifecycle costs.


I guess ...


>>>>> Remind us again for just much money you have sunk into it already?
>>>>   
>>>> The video card was around $100.
>>>
>>> Which gets added to the 2021 base system's price, bringing your total
>>> invested lifecycle cost to date to be ... how much?
>> 
>> No more or less than it's actually worth - which is the point.  With
>> Apple, I'd pay more up front, whether I needed it or not.
>
>Yup, yet another dodge.  Is it because you really don't know how much 
>you spent, or you simply know that you're going to get critiqued (and 
>perhaps slaughtered) if you do say how much?


The parts, initially, were around $800.  I had also separately
purchased a Windows Pro license for $200.  Adding the video card and
doubling the RAM added a modest amount.


>>>> 32 GB is about right, for my usage.
>>>
>>> Not today it isn't: it is still being underutilized at ~3 years system
>>> age, which undermines your claimed argument of the value of moduarlity
>>> for lower lifecycle costs.  Looks like you were 5+ years too early in
>>> spending money for RAM that you won't really need until after 2027.
>> 
>> As my computer stays booted up, RAM use approaches the full quantity,
>> including cache.  I watch this in System Monitor.
>
>Still doesn't matter:  if you're never hitting swap, its an excess 
>capability that 3 years after purchase you *still* didn't need to invest 
>in yet.  As such, you've violated the very reason for why you claimed 
>that a user-upgradable modular system is worth more to you.


If I had 16 GB, it'd be using swap regularly.

-- 
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent.  States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.

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#144395

From-hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com>
Date2024-11-25 08:58 -0500
Message-ID<vi1vqm$2o90g$2@dont-email.me>
In reply to#144393
On 11/25/24 8:35 AM, Joel wrote:
> -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> wrote:
>>> ...
>>> The CPU's video is built into the CPU.  It's still there right now, if
>>> I plug a DP cable into the motherboard's video port, but instead I use
>>> the discrete card, now.
>>
>> But since as you've said that its GPU wasn't up to the task, maybe you
>> should have saved $30 upfront and bought the Core i5-10400F instead of
>> the Core i5-10400, so as to not pay for that inadequate integrated GPU?
>> Doing so would have lowered your lifecycle costs.
> 
> I guess ...

Due to Schwartz's "Paradox of Choice", easy enough to have overlooked.

>>>>>> Remind us again for just much money you have sunk into it already?
>>>>>    
>>>>> The video card was around $100.
>>>>
>>>> Which gets added to the 2021 base system's price, bringing your total
>>>> invested lifecycle cost to date to be ... how much?
>>>
>>> No more or less than it's actually worth - which is the point.  With
>>> Apple, I'd pay more up front, whether I needed it or not.
>>
>> Yup, yet another dodge.  Is it because you really don't know how much
>> you spent, or you simply know that you're going to get critiqued (and
>> perhaps slaughtered) if you do say how much?
> 
> The parts, initially, were around $800.  I had also separately
> purchased a Windows Pro license for $200.  Adding the video card and
> doubling the RAM added a modest amount.

So $1000, +$100 for video card, and call it +$50 for +16GB RAM.

That sums to $1150.

You could have bought a base 2020 Mac Mini M1 for $599, and used the 
$550 remaining to bump specs, buy other stuff, etc.  I don't see good 
historical MSRPs online at the moment, but I'd figure that $1100 would 
get to 16GB RAM/512GB SSD, which is still a solid machine today, and 
includes supporting dual 4K/60Hz monitors.

>>>>> 32 GB is about right, for my usage.
>>>>
>>>> Not today it isn't: it is still being underutilized at ~3 years system
>>>> age, which undermines your claimed argument of the value of moduarlity
>>>> for lower lifecycle costs.  Looks like you were 5+ years too early in
>>>> spending money for RAM that you won't really need until after 2027.
>>>
>>> As my computer stays booted up, RAM use approaches the full quantity,
>>> including cache.  I watch this in System Monitor.
>>
>> Still doesn't matter:  if you're never hitting swap, its an excess
>> capability that 3 years after purchase you *still* didn't need to invest
>> in yet.  As such, you've violated the very reason for why you claimed
>> that a user-upgradable modular system is worth more to you.
> 
> If I had 16 GB, it'd be using swap regularly.

Except that it isn't a sin to consume swap ... that's why it exists.

The design optimization objective is to consume a relatively low amount 
of swap to balance hardware investments vs swap's performance hit; one 
rule of thumb is that once your system is regularly using more than 50%, 
its time to add more RAM:  what was your ratio when you had 16GB RAM?

-hh

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#144397

FromJoel <joelcrump@gmail.com>
Date2024-11-25 09:09 -0500
Message-ID<iu09kjht8tkjk9lorpcpgo9ifcte331966@4ax.com>
In reply to#144395
-hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> wrote:

>>>> [I paid for my computer] No more or less than it's actually worth - which is the point.  With
>>>> Apple, I'd pay more up front, whether I needed it or not.
>>>
>>> Yup, yet another dodge.  Is it because you really don't know how much
>>> you spent, or you simply know that you're going to get critiqued (and
>>> perhaps slaughtered) if you do say how much?
>> 
>> The parts, initially, were around $800.  I had also separately
>> purchased a Windows Pro license for $200.  Adding the video card and
>> doubling the RAM added a modest amount.
>
>So $1000, +$100 for video card, and call it +$50 for +16GB RAM.
>
>That sums to $1150.
>
>You could have bought a base 2020 Mac Mini M1 for $599, and used the 
>$550 remaining to bump specs, buy other stuff, etc.  I don't see good 
>historical MSRPs online at the moment, but I'd figure that $1100 would 
>get to 16GB RAM/512GB SSD, which is still a solid machine today, and 
>includes supporting dual 4K/60Hz monitors.


I didn't even need the Win10 license, it turned out, my Win7 Pro
product key from 2010 would've worked, because it'd been upgraded on
my previous machine.  I've since given both keys away, since I have
zero intention of ever going back to Winblows.


>> If I had 16 GB, it'd be using swap regularly.
>
>Except that it isn't a sin to consume swap ... that's why it exists.
>
>The design optimization objective is to consume a relatively low amount 
>of swap to balance hardware investments vs swap's performance hit; one 
>rule of thumb is that once your system is regularly using more than 50%, 
>its time to add more RAM:  what was your ratio when you had 16GB RAM?


You're starting to make chrisv sound right about you.  The cost of the
additional 16 GB was much less, than I'd paid for the first 16, I
purchased the same pair of 8 GB sticks but for a then-lower price.

-- 
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent.  States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.

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#144399

From-hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com>
Date2024-11-25 10:40 -0500
Message-ID<vi25qb$2qrgd$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#144397
On 11/25/24 9:09 AM, Joel wrote:
> -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> wrote:
> 
>>>>> [I paid for my computer] No more or less than it's actually worth - which is the point.  With
>>>>> Apple, I'd pay more up front, whether I needed it or not.
>>>>
>>>> Yup, yet another dodge.  Is it because you really don't know how much
>>>> you spent, or you simply know that you're going to get critiqued (and
>>>> perhaps slaughtered) if you do say how much?
>>>
>>> The parts, initially, were around $800.  I had also separately
>>> purchased a Windows Pro license for $200.  Adding the video card and
>>> doubling the RAM added a modest amount.
>>
>> So $1000, +$100 for video card, and call it +$50 for +16GB RAM.
>>
>> That sums to $1150.
>>
>> You could have bought a base 2020 Mac Mini M1 for $599, and used the
>> $550 remaining to bump specs, buy other stuff, etc.  I don't see good
>> historical MSRPs online at the moment, but I'd figure that $1100 would
>> get to 16GB RAM/512GB SSD, which is still a solid machine today, and
>> includes supporting dual 4K/60Hz monitors.
> 
> I didn't even need the Win10 license, it turned out, my Win7 Pro
> product key from 2010 would've worked, because it'd been upgraded on
> my previous machine.  I've since given both keys away, since I have
> zero intention of ever going back to Winblows.

So that's another 'spent too much' research error on your part.  Check.


>>> If I had 16 GB, it'd be using swap regularly.
>>
>> Except that it isn't a sin to consume swap ... that's why it exists.
>>
>> The design optimization objective is to consume a relatively low amount
>> of swap to balance hardware investments vs swap's performance hit; one
>> rule of thumb is that once your system is regularly using more than 50%,
>> its time to add more RAM:  what was your ratio when you had 16GB RAM?
> 
> You're starting to make chrisv sound right about you.  The cost of the
> additional 16 GB was much less, than I'd paid for the first 16, I
> purchased the same pair of 8 GB sticks but for a then-lower price.

That's still dodging:

* what the actual upgrade cost was;

* what metric you had to show that inadequate RAM actually was a problem;

* that your current testing is showing zero swap, which is indicative of 
the RAM upgrade not being necessary yet:  even if you saved (TBD $'s) by 
delaying the purchase, you could have delayed it longer to save more.

Sorry for pointing these out & the embarrassment it may be causing you.


-hh

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#144489

FromJoel <joelcrump@gmail.com>
Date2024-11-26 08:35 -0500
Message-ID<jhjbkj1ov7mm761v692tobeph2n2vivpau@4ax.com>
In reply to#144399
-hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> wrote:

>> I didn't even need the Win10 license, it turned out, my Win7 Pro
>> product key from 2010 would've worked, because it'd been upgraded on
>> my previous machine.  I've since given both keys away, since I have
>> zero intention of ever going back to Winblows.
>
>So that's another 'spent too much' research error on your part.  Check.


I don't mind, the keys can be reused by others.  It's a minor write-
off, I got my use out of Winblows when I used it, I will never want it
back.

-- 
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent.  States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.

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#144494

From-hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com>
Date2024-11-26 09:59 -0500
Message-ID<vi4nnp$3ere5$2@dont-email.me>
In reply to#144489
On 11/26/24 8:35 AM, Joel wrote:
> -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> wrote:
> 
>>> I didn't even need the Win10 license, it turned out, my Win7 Pro
>>> product key from 2010 would've worked, because it'd been upgraded on
>>> my previous machine.  I've since given both keys away, since I have
>>> zero intention of ever going back to Winblows.
>>
>> So that's another 'spent too much' research error on your part.  Check.
> 
> 
> I don't mind, the keys can be reused by others.  It's a minor write-
> off, I got my use out of Winblows when I used it, I will never want it
> back.


That you "don't mind" means ...

...that you're okay with spending 20% more than you really have to(!).


-hh

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#144496

FromJoel <joelcrump@gmail.com>
Date2024-11-26 10:44 -0500
Message-ID<p1rbkjltkdthmhujobr8klhv7ih5qgjfle@4ax.com>
In reply to#144494
-hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> wrote:

>>>> I didn't even need the Win10 license, it turned out, my Win7 Pro
>>>> product key from 2010 would've worked, because it'd been upgraded on
>>>> my previous machine.  I've since given both keys away, since I have
>>>> zero intention of ever going back to Winblows.
>>>
>>> So that's another 'spent too much' research error on your part.  Check.
>> 
>> I don't mind, the keys can be reused by others.  It's a minor write-
>> off, I got my use out of Winblows when I used it, I will never want it
>> back.
>
>That you "don't mind" means ...
>
>...that you're okay with spending 20% more than you really have to(!).


I got my $200 worth out of Win10/11, between when I first booted 20H2
in 2021, and switching to Linux in 2023.  No biggie, the key is still
valid for DFS to use, as my Win7 key is for my other friend.

-- 
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent.  States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.

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#144571

From"Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net>
Date2024-11-27 10:48 -0600
Message-ID<vi7ni3$45fk$8@dont-email.me>
In reply to#144496

"Joel" <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote in message 
news:p1rbkjltkdthmhujobr8klhv7ih5qgjfle@4ax.com...
> -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> wrote:
>
>>>>> I didn't even need the Win10 license, it turned out, my Win7 Pro
>>>>> product key from 2010 would've worked, because it'd been upgraded on
>>>>> my previous machine.  I've since given both keys away, since I have
>>>>> zero intention of ever going back to Winblows.
>>>>
>>>> So that's another 'spent too much' research error on your part.  Check.
>>>
>>> I don't mind, the keys can be reused by others.  It's a minor write-
>>> off, I got my use out of Winblows when I used it, I will never want it
>>> back.
>>
>>That you "don't mind" means ...
>>
>>...that you're okay with spending 20% more than you really have to(!).
>
>
> I got my $200 worth out of Win10/11, between when I first booted 20H2
> in 2021, and switching to Linux in 2023.  No biggie, the key is still
> valid for DFS to use, as my Win7 key is for my other friend.

And yet despite claiming that Win11 was so bad you had to revamp your 
hardware and software.. you're claiming Win11 delivered good value to you.

Damn.. if we could just harness that spin we could solve the power needs of 
the world.
 

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#144472

From"Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net>
Date2024-11-25 15:49 -0600
Message-ID<vi2s52$31i81$24@dont-email.me>
In reply to#144397

"Joel" <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote in message 
news:iu09kjht8tkjk9lorpcpgo9ifcte331966@4ax.com...
> -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> wrote:
>
>>>>> [I paid for my computer] No more or less than it's actually worth - 
>>>>> which is the point.  With
>>>>> Apple, I'd pay more up front, whether I needed it or not.
>>>>
>>>> Yup, yet another dodge.  Is it because you really don't know how much
>>>> you spent, or you simply know that you're going to get critiqued (and
>>>> perhaps slaughtered) if you do say how much?
>>>
>>> The parts, initially, were around $800.  I had also separately
>>> purchased a Windows Pro license for $200.  Adding the video card and
>>> doubling the RAM added a modest amount.
>>
>>So $1000, +$100 for video card, and call it +$50 for +16GB RAM.
>>
>>That sums to $1150.
>>
>>You could have bought a base 2020 Mac Mini M1 for $599, and used the
>>$550 remaining to bump specs, buy other stuff, etc.  I don't see good
>>historical MSRPs online at the moment, but I'd figure that $1100 would
>>get to 16GB RAM/512GB SSD, which is still a solid machine today, and
>>includes supporting dual 4K/60Hz monitors.
>
>
> I didn't even need the Win10 license, it turned out, my Win7 Pro
> product key from 2010 would've worked,

Nope, because we all know your feelings on Win7 and how useless it is.

 

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#144471

From"Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net>
Date2024-11-25 15:47 -0600
Message-ID<vi2s51$31i81$23@dont-email.me>
In reply to#144393

"Joel" <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote in message 
news:55v8kjtgs75eev3m4khi5bqvhec7g2180m@4ax.com...
> -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> wrote:
>
>>>>>>> When I built the computer, the old monitor was still in use.
>>>>>>> Later, I bought a 4K monitor.  The CPU's video handled it but 
>>>>>>> barely,
>>>>>>> the NVIDIA card made it work more smoothly.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> And yet when you bought this PC in 2022 [it was 2021], you didn't 
>>>>>> anticipate the
>>>>>> likelihood of getting a 4K display to replace the 1080p when it died?
>>>>>
>>>>> What difference would that have made?
>>>>
>>>> Because buying a subsystem just once instead of buying it twice may
>>>> mean that you pay less overall:  "Lifecyle cost management 101."
>>>
>>> The CPU's video is built into the CPU.  It's still there right now, if
>>> I plug a DP cable into the motherboard's video port, but instead I use
>>> the discrete card, now.
>>
>>But since as you've said that its GPU wasn't up to the task, maybe you
>>should have saved $30 upfront and bought the Core i5-10400F instead of
>>the Core i5-10400, so as to not pay for that inadequate integrated GPU?
>>Doing so would have lowered your lifecycle costs.
>
>
> I guess ...
>
>
>>>>>> Remind us again for just much money you have sunk into it already?
>>>>>
>>>>> The video card was around $100.
>>>>
>>>> Which gets added to the 2021 base system's price, bringing your total
>>>> invested lifecycle cost to date to be ... how much?
>>>
>>> No more or less than it's actually worth - which is the point.  With
>>> Apple, I'd pay more up front, whether I needed it or not.
>>
>>Yup, yet another dodge.  Is it because you really don't know how much
>>you spent, or you simply know that you're going to get critiqued (and
>>perhaps slaughtered) if you do say how much?
>
>
> The parts, initially, were around $800.  I had also separately
> purchased a Windows Pro license for $200.  Adding the video card and
> doubling the RAM added a modest amount.

So tell us again how you didn't have enough system to update your Win11.....

 

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#144533

FromAlan <nuh-uh@nope.com>
Date2024-11-26 16:16 -0800
Message-ID<vi5odq$3lurl$4@dont-email.me>
In reply to#144388
On 2024-11-25 04:44, Joel wrote:
> -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> wrote:
> 
>>>>> When I built the computer, the old monitor was still in use.
>>>>> Later, I bought a 4K monitor.  The CPU's video handled it but barely,
>>>>> the NVIDIA card made it work more smoothly.
>>>>
>>>> And yet when you bought this PC in 2022 [it was 2021], you didn't anticipate the
>>>> likelihood of getting a 4K display to replace the 1080p when it died?
>>>
>>> What difference would that have made?
>>
>> Because buying a subsystem just once instead of buying it twice may
>> mean that you pay less overall:  "Lifecyle cost management 101."
> 
> 
> The CPU's video is built into the CPU.  It's still there right now, if
> I plug a DP cable into the motherboard's video port, but instead I use
> the discrete card, now.
> 
> 
>>>> Remind us again for just much money you have sunk into it already?
>>>   
>>> The video card was around $100.
>>
>> Which gets added to the 2021 base system's price, bringing your total
>> invested lifecycle cost to date to be ... how much?
> 
> 
> No more or less than it's actually worth - which is the point.  With
> Apple, I'd pay more up front, whether I needed it or not.
> 
> 
>>> 32 GB is about right, for my usage.
>>
>> Not today it isn't: it is still being underutilized at ~3 years system
>> age, which undermines your claimed argument of the value of moduarlity
>> for lower lifecycle costs.  Looks like you were 5+ years too early in
>> spending money for RAM that you won't really need until after 2027.
> 
> 
> As my computer stays booted up, RAM use approaches the full quantity,
> including cache.  I watch this in System Monitor.
> 

So Linux is bad at memory management, is it?

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#144538

FromJoel <joelcrump@gmail.com>
Date2024-11-26 19:46 -0500
Message-ID<7pqckjl8gloc5kp01co6pafua1gc43qaqu@4ax.com>
In reply to#144533
Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>On 2024-11-25 04:44, Joel wrote:
>> -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> wrote:
>> 
>>>> 32 GB [RAM] is about right, for my usage.
>>>
>>> Not today it isn't: it is still being underutilized at ~3 years system
>>> age, which undermines your claimed argument of the value of moduarlity
>>> for lower lifecycle costs.  Looks like you were 5+ years too early in
>>> spending money for RAM that you won't really need until after 2027.
>> 
>> As my computer stays booted up, RAM use approaches the full quantity,
>> including cache.  I watch this in System Monitor.
>
>So Linux is bad at memory management, is it?


It's not a matter of managing it, it's a matter of using what's
available.  I give the system enough to leave an insane amount of
stuff in cache.  Maybe it's actually *Apple's* OS doing some kind of
trickery, to make its paltry offerings seem OK.  Inquiring minds want
to know.

-- 
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent.  States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.

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#144581

From"Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net>
Date2024-11-27 11:20 -0600
Message-ID<vi7nib$45fk$18@dont-email.me>
In reply to#144538

"Joel" <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote in message 
news:7pqckjl8gloc5kp01co6pafua1gc43qaqu@4ax.com...
> Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>>On 2024-11-25 04:44, Joel wrote:
>>> -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>> 32 GB [RAM] is about right, for my usage.
>>>>
>>>> Not today it isn't: it is still being underutilized at ~3 years system
>>>> age, which undermines your claimed argument of the value of moduarlity
>>>> for lower lifecycle costs.  Looks like you were 5+ years too early in
>>>> spending money for RAM that you won't really need until after 2027.
>>>
>>> As my computer stays booted up, RAM use approaches the full quantity,
>>> including cache.  I watch this in System Monitor.
>>
>>So Linux is bad at memory management, is it?
>
>
> It's not a matter of managing it, it's a matter of using what's
> available.  I give the system enough to leave an insane amount of
> stuff in cache.

Analysis based on data provided would seem to indicate otherwise.

 

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