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Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting

Started byJoel <joelcrump@gmail.com>
First post2024-11-24 19:20 -0500
Last post2024-11-25 15:24 -0600
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  Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-11-24 19:20 -0500
    Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-11-24 16:23 -0800
      Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-11-24 19:50 -0500
        Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-11-24 17:09 -0800
          Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-11-24 20:34 -0500
            Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-11-24 17:44 -0800
              Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-11-24 21:03 -0500
                Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-11-24 18:17 -0800
                  Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-11-24 21:37 -0500
                    Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-11-24 18:42 -0800
                      Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-11-24 21:58 -0500
                        Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-11-24 18:59 -0800
                          Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-11-24 22:19 -0500
                            Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-11-24 19:32 -0800
                        Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2024-11-24 22:48 -0500
                          Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-11-24 19:52 -0800
                            Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-11-24 23:20 -0500
                              Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-11-24 23:46 -0800
                                Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-11-25 06:18 -0500
                                  Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-11-26 14:29 -0800
                                    Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-11-26 17:51 -0500
                                      Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-11-26 15:12 -0800
                                        Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-11-26 18:26 -0500
                                          Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> - 2024-11-27 10:59 -0600
                                      Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> - 2024-11-27 10:55 -0600
                                        Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-11-27 11:31 -0800
                                          Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> - 2024-12-02 11:16 -0600
                                            Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-12-02 14:09 -0500
                                              Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> - 2024-12-02 13:26 -0600
                                                Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-12-02 14:55 -0500
                                                  Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> - 2024-12-03 08:47 -0600
                                              Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Pierre <pierrej@shaw.ca> - 2024-12-03 09:51 +0100
                                    Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> - 2024-11-27 10:50 -0600
                              Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> - 2024-11-25 15:35 -0600
                            Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> - 2024-11-25 15:33 -0600
                              Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> - 2024-11-25 22:32 +0000
                          Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-11-24 23:15 -0500
                            Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-11-24 23:46 -0800
                              Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2024-11-25 07:08 -0500
                                Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-11-25 07:46 -0500
                                  Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2024-11-25 08:43 -0500
                                    Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-11-25 08:59 -0500
                                      Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2024-11-25 10:32 -0500
                                        Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-11-26 08:32 -0500
                                          Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2024-11-26 09:58 -0500
                                            Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-11-26 10:35 -0500
                                              Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-11-26 11:13 -0500
                                                Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> - 2024-11-27 10:45 -0600
                                              Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2024-11-27 12:01 -0500
                                                Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-11-27 12:32 -0500
                                                  Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> - 2024-11-27 12:45 -0600
                                                  Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2024-11-27 13:50 -0500
                                                    Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-11-27 14:19 -0500
                                                      Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2024-11-27 14:32 -0500
                                                        Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-11-27 15:05 -0500
                                                          Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-11-27 12:28 -0800
                                                            Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-11-27 15:54 -0500
                                                              Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-11-27 15:58 -0800
                                                                Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> - 2024-12-02 11:25 -0600
                                                                  Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-12-02 14:16 -0500
                                                                    Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> - 2024-12-02 13:41 -0600
                                                                      Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-12-02 14:59 -0500
                                                                        Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> - 2024-12-03 09:09 -0600
                                                              Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> - 2024-12-02 11:24 -0600
                                                                Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2024-12-02 13:49 -0500
                                                                  Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-12-02 14:28 -0500
                                                                    Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2024-12-02 16:11 -0500
                                                                      Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-12-02 16:38 -0500
                                                                    Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> - 2024-12-03 08:58 -0600
                                                                      Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-12-03 13:34 -0500
                                                                        Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> - 2024-12-04 10:55 -0600
                                                                          Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-12-04 12:45 -0500
                                                                            Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-12-04 09:59 -0800
                                                                              Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-12-04 13:17 -0500
                                                                                Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> - 2024-12-04 13:01 -0600
                                                                            Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> - 2024-12-04 12:59 -0600
                                                                      Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2024-12-03 14:03 -0500
                                                                        Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> - 2024-12-04 11:00 -0600
                                                          Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2024-11-27 16:26 -0500
                                                            Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-11-27 16:56 -0500
                                                              Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> - 2024-12-02 11:27 -0600
                                                          Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> - 2024-12-02 11:21 -0600
                                                            Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-12-02 14:13 -0500
                                                              Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> - 2024-12-02 13:33 -0600
                                                                Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-12-02 14:56 -0500
                                                                  Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> - 2024-12-03 08:52 -0600
                                                      Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-11-27 11:32 -0800
                                                        Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-11-27 15:08 -0500
                                                          Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-11-27 12:32 -0800
                                                            Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-11-27 16:00 -0500
                                                              Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-11-27 16:00 -0800
                                                      Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> - 2024-12-02 11:18 -0600
                                                        Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-12-02 14:10 -0500
                                                          Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> - 2024-12-02 13:30 -0600
                                              Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> - 2024-11-27 10:37 -0600
                                            Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> - 2024-11-26 10:06 -0600
                                          Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> - 2024-11-26 10:03 -0600
                                          Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-11-26 14:32 -0800
                                            Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-11-26 17:54 -0500
                                              Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-11-26 15:15 -0800
                                              Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> - 2024-11-27 00:04 +0000
                                                Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-11-26 19:16 -0500
                                                  Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Yon Wane <"yonwane-lol!"@pac2.com> - 2024-11-26 22:27 -0800
                                                    Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-11-27 08:29 -0500
                                                      Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> - 2024-11-27 11:18 -0600
                                                      Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting ppd382 <xyz@vote.com> - 2025-03-11 08:13 +0000
                                                        Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Mai Keister <m.keister@altopia.net> - 2025-03-11 13:59 -0700
                                                      Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting "jubox@ovens.net" <jubox@ovens.net> - 2025-03-18 17:48 +0000
                                                        Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting orangeneck <orangeneck@127.0.0.1> - 2025-03-29 22:06 +0100
                                      Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> - 2024-11-25 15:42 -0600
                                      Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-11-26 14:31 -0800
                                        Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-11-26 17:53 -0500
                                          Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-11-26 15:13 -0800
                                            Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-11-26 18:28 -0500
                                              Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-11-26 15:38 -0800
                                                Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-11-26 18:58 -0500
                                                  Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-11-26 16:16 -0800
                                                    Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-11-26 19:42 -0500
                                                      Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-11-26 17:33 -0800
                                                        Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-11-26 20:48 -0500
                                                          Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2024-11-27 06:25 -0500
                                                            Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> - 2024-11-27 11:17 -0600
                                                            Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-12-06 19:28 -0500
                                                              Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2024-12-07 13:18 -0500
                                                                Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-12-07 17:03 -0500
                                                                  Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-12-07 14:17 -0800
                                                                    Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-12-07 17:39 -0500
                                                                      Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-12-07 15:40 -0800
                                                                        Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-12-07 18:53 -0500
                                                                          Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-12-07 16:01 -0800
                                                                            Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-12-07 19:19 -0500
                                                                              Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-12-07 16:45 -0800
                                                                                Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-12-07 20:14 -0500
                                                                                  Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-12-07 17:31 -0800
                                                                                    Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-12-07 20:43 -0500
                                                                                      Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-12-07 17:48 -0800
                                                                                        Microsoft Linux Distro (was: Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting) vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2024-12-08 01:53 +0000
                                                                                        Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-12-07 20:58 -0500
                                                                                          Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> - 2024-12-09 10:00 -0600
                                                                                        Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> - 2024-12-09 09:59 -0600
                                                                                      Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> - 2024-12-09 09:56 -0600
                                                                                    Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> - 2024-12-09 09:48 -0600
                                                                                  Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> - 2024-12-09 09:38 -0600
                                                                                Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> - 2024-12-09 09:36 -0600
                                                                                  Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-12-09 09:48 -0800
                                                                                    Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-12-09 12:55 -0500
                                                                                      Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-12-09 10:01 -0800
                                                                                        Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-12-09 13:13 -0500
                                                                                          Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-12-09 10:24 -0800
                                                                                            Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2024-12-09 13:56 -0500
                                                                                              Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-12-09 10:57 -0800
                                                                                                Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> - 2024-12-10 08:56 -0600
                                                                                            Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-12-09 14:02 -0500
                                                                                              Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-12-09 11:21 -0800
                                                                                                Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-12-09 14:29 -0500
                                                                                                  Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-12-09 11:33 -0800
                                                                                                    Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> - 2024-12-10 09:02 -0600
                                                                                                    Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Wayne Kerr <waynek@msu.edu> - 2024-12-14 21:50 +0100
                                                                                                      Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-12-14 13:17 -0800
                                                                                                  Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> - 2024-12-10 09:01 -0600
                                                                                                    Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Wayne Kerr <waynek@msu.edu> - 2024-12-14 21:14 +0100
                                                                                                      Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-12-14 13:17 -0800
                                                                                                        Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-12-14 16:21 -0500
                                                                                                          Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-12-14 13:34 -0800
                                                                                                            Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-12-14 17:09 -0500
                                                                                                              Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-12-14 14:25 -0800
                                                                                                                Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-12-14 17:32 -0500
                                                                                                                  Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-12-14 14:41 -0800
                                                                                                                    Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-12-14 17:51 -0500
                                                                                                                      Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-12-14 15:04 -0800
                                                                                                                        Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-12-15 05:56 -0500
                                                                                                                          Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-12-15 09:24 -0800
                                                                                                                            Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-12-15 13:30 -0500
                                                                                                                              Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-12-16 11:38 -0800
                                                                                                                                Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-12-16 15:05 -0500
                                                                                                                                  Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-12-16 12:26 -0800
                                                                                                                                    Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-12-16 15:58 -0500
                                                                                                                                      Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-12-16 13:10 -0800
                                                                                                                                        Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-12-16 18:07 -0500
                                                                                                                                          Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2024-12-16 19:56 -0500
                                                                                                                                            Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-12-17 10:39 -0500
                                                                                                                                              Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-12-17 10:30 -0800
                                                                                                                                          Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-12-17 10:16 -0800
                                                                                                                                            Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-12-17 13:20 -0500
                                                                                                                                              Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-12-17 10:33 -0800
                                                                                                                                                Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-12-17 13:43 -0500
                                                                                                                                                  Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-12-17 10:51 -0800
                                                                                                                                                    Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-12-17 14:52 -0500
                                                                                                                                                      Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-12-17 12:35 -0800
                                                                                                                                                    Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2024-12-17 15:39 -0500
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                                                                                                                            Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2024-12-15 15:42 -0500
                                                                                                                              Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-12-15 15:48 -0500
                                                                                                                                Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2024-12-15 16:47 -0500
                                                                                                                                  Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-12-15 17:01 -0500
                                                                                                                                    Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2024-12-15 22:34 -0500
                                                                                                                                      Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-12-16 10:25 -0500
                                                                                                                                        Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2024-12-16 11:40 -0500
                                                                                                                                          Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-12-16 12:02 -0500
                                                                                                                                            Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2024-12-16 12:50 -0500
                                                                                                                                              Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-12-16 12:54 -0500
                                                                                                                                                Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-12-16 11:08 -0800
                                                                                                                                                  Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-12-16 14:13 -0500
                                                                                                                                                    Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-12-16 11:31 -0800
                                                                                                                                                      Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-12-16 14:36 -0500
                                                                                                                                                        Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-12-16 11:47 -0800
                                                                                                                                                          Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-12-16 15:22 -0500
                                                                                                                                                            Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-12-16 12:37 -0800
                                                                                                                                                              Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-12-16 16:09 -0500
                                                                                                                                                                Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-12-16 13:13 -0800
                                                                                                                                                                  Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-12-16 18:18 -0500
                                                                                                                                                                    Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-12-17 10:25 -0800
                                                                                                                                                                      Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-12-17 13:39 -0500
                                                                                                                                                                        Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-12-17 10:45 -0800
                                                                                                                                                                          Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-12-17 14:50 -0500
                                                                                                                                                                            Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-12-17 12:35 -0800
                                                                                                                                                                              Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2024-12-17 15:45 -0500
                                                                                                                                                                            Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> - 2024-12-25 12:02 -0600
                                                                                                                                                                            Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> - 2024-12-25 12:14 -0600
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                                                                                                                                            Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-12-16 11:13 -0800
                                                                                                                                              Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-12-16 14:35 -0500
                                                                                                                                                Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-12-16 11:45 -0800
                                                                                                                                                  Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-12-16 15:20 -0500
                                                                                                                                                    Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-12-16 12:37 -0800
                                                                                                                                                      Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-12-16 16:10 -0500
                                                                                                                                                        Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-12-16 13:14 -0800
                                                                                                                                                          Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-12-16 18:20 -0500
                                                                                                                                                            Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-12-17 10:25 -0800
                                                                                                                                                              Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-12-17 13:41 -0500
                                                                                                                                                                Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-12-17 10:46 -0800
                                                                                                                                                                  Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-12-17 14:51 -0500
                                                                                                                                                                    Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-12-17 12:36 -0800
                                                                                                                                                                      Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-12-17 16:09 -0500
                                                                                                                                                                        Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2024-12-17 16:34 -0500
                                                                                                                                                                          Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-12-17 19:19 -0500
                                                                                                                                                                            Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-12-17 16:22 -0800
                                                                                                                                                                              Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-12-17 20:26 -0500
                                                                                                                                                                                Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-12-17 18:21 -0800
                                                                                                                                                                                  Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-12-18 09:03 -0500
                                                                                                                                                                                    Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-12-18 09:24 -0800
                                                                                                                                                                                      Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-12-18 13:01 -0500
                                                                                                                                                                                        Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-12-18 10:36 -0800
                                                                                                                                                                                          Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-12-18 14:03 -0500
                                                                                                                                                                                            Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> - 2024-12-25 12:41 -0600
                                                                                                                                                                                          Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting will <willford@yahoo.com> - 2024-12-21 01:50 +0100
                                                                                                                                                                                            Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-12-20 17:01 -0800
                                                                                                                                                                                              Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-12-20 20:19 -0500
                                                                                                                                                                                                Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-12-20 17:42 -0800
                                                                                                                                                                                                  Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-12-20 20:50 -0500
                                                                                                                                                                                                    Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-12-20 17:53 -0800
                                                                                                                                                                                                      Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-12-20 21:57 -0500
                                                                                                                                                                                                        Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-12-20 19:06 -0800
                                                                                                                                                                                                          Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-12-20 22:17 -0500
                                                                                                                                                                                                            Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-12-21 10:10 -0800
                                                                                                                                                                                                              Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-12-21 16:10 -0500
                                                                                                                                                                                                    Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> - 2024-12-25 12:43 -0600
                                                                                                                                                                                                  Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2024-12-20 22:05 -0500
                                                                                                                                                                                                    Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-12-20 22:15 -0500
                                                                                                                                                                                                    Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-12-20 23:31 -0500
                                                                                                                                                                                                      Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2024-12-21 08:44 -0500
                                                                                                                                                                                                      Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-12-21 10:11 -0800
                                                                                                                                                                                                        Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-12-21 16:13 -0500
                                                                                                                                                                                                          Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Din004 <din004@oracle.com> - 2024-12-25 10:44 +0100
                                                                                                                                                                                                            Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2024-12-25 09:26 -0500
                                                                                                                                                                                                            Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-12-25 11:55 -0800
                                                                                                                                                                                                              Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> - 2024-12-26 02:07 +0000
                                                                                                                                                                                                                Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-12-25 23:07 -0800
                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting alex <alex_@pintrest.com> - 2024-12-26 00:44 -0800
                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2024-12-26 09:39 -0500
                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Jon Ball <jon-ball@spectrum.com> - 2024-12-26 22:09 +0100
                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-12-26 13:37 -0800
                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting wasabi <lotso@jollyroger.com> - 2024-12-28 14:33 -0800
                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-12-28 14:36 -0800
                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-12-28 17:43 -0500
                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-12-28 14:47 -0800
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-12-28 17:55 -0500
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-12-28 15:55 -0800
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-12-28 19:00 -0500
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-12-28 16:02 -0800
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-12-28 20:30 -0500
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-12-28 19:02 -0800
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-12-28 22:07 -0500
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-12-28 19:42 -0800
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-12-28 22:48 -0500
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-12-28 19:53 -0800
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-12-28 23:04 -0500
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-12-28 20:07 -0800
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-12-28 23:16 -0500
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-12-28 21:53 -0800
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-12-29 14:09 -0500
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-12-29 11:21 -0800
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-12-29 14:34 -0500
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-12-29 11:37 -0800
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-12-29 14:47 -0500
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-12-29 12:15 -0800
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-12-29 15:22 -0500
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-12-29 12:42 -0800
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-12-29 16:08 -0500
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-12-29 16:40 -0800
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-12-29 19:59 -0500
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-12-29 17:10 -0800
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Jack Sovalot <hee-cawkforme@jack.sovalot> - 2024-12-30 04:09 -0500
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Red Zone <redzone@trump.com> - 2024-12-30 19:45 +0000
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-12-30 14:57 -0500
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-12-30 12:05 -0800
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-12-30 15:27 -0500
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> - 2024-12-30 21:25 +0000
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Nomen Nescio <nobody@dizum.com> - 2024-12-31 00:54 +0100
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> - 2024-12-31 06:38 -0500
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Jack Sovalot <hee-cawkforme@jack.sovalot> - 2024-12-30 16:59 -0500
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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-12-29 12:56 -0800
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-12-29 16:13 -0500
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-12-29 16:42 -0800
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-12-29 20:00 -0500
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-12-29 17:10 -0800
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-12-29 21:46 -0500
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-12-29 18:52 -0800
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-12-29 22:09 -0500
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-12-29 19:22 -0800
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-12-29 22:27 -0500
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-12-29 19:39 -0800
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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting "Petry F." <petry_f@hushmail.com> - 2024-12-29 04:25 +0000
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-12-28 21:54 -0800
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> - 2024-12-30 10:42 -0500
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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> - 2024-12-30 18:23 +0000
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-12-30 10:30 -0800
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-12-30 13:42 -0500
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-12-30 11:23 -0800
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-12-30 14:55 -0500
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-12-30 11:58 -0800
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-12-30 15:25 -0500
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-12-30 15:01 -0800
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-12-30 18:07 -0500
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-12-30 15:19 -0800
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-12-30 18:41 -0500
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-12-30 15:43 -0800
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> - 2024-12-31 06:30 -0500
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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> - 2024-12-31 06:27 -0500
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-12-30 12:04 -0800
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-12-30 15:26 -0500
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-12-30 15:13 -0800
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-12-30 18:23 -0500
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-12-30 15:40 -0800
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-12-30 19:14 -0500
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-12-30 23:04 -0800
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-12-31 11:52 -0500
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Byrd <byrd@someoem.com> - 2025-01-02 03:02 +0100
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-01-01 21:08 -0500
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-01-01 18:44 -0800
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-01-01 22:01 -0500
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-01-01 22:12 -0500
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Rudy Ball <rudyball@gmx.com> - 2025-01-03 19:02 +0000
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-01-03 11:20 -0800
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-01-03 15:19 -0500
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-01-03 14:54 -0800
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-01-03 18:40 -0500
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-01-03 16:18 -0800
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-01-03 19:28 -0500
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-01-03 17:11 -0800
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-01-03 20:24 -0500
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-01-03 17:40 -0800
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-01-03 20:59 -0500
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-01-03 19:39 -0800
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-01-05 14:29 -0500
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-01-05 12:36 -0800
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-01-05 20:53 -0500
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-01-05 18:19 -0800
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-01-05 21:29 -0500
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-01-05 18:32 -0800
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-01-05 21:47 -0500
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-01-05 19:03 -0800
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-01-05 22:14 -0500
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-01-05 19:39 -0800
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-01-05 22:50 -0500
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-01-05 23:32 -0800
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> - 2025-01-06 08:11 -0500
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Clint <clintb@infiniti.net> - 2025-01-13 00:36 -0800
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-01-13 09:16 -0800
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> - 2025-01-06 08:11 -0500
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Rudy Johnson <rudyj@google.com> - 2025-01-21 14:06 -0800
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-01-21 14:18 -0800
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Sadler <sadler@msn.com> - 2025-01-26 06:28 +0000
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Rudy Canoza <rudy@phil.hendrie.con> - 2025-01-22 03:46 -0500
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> - 2025-01-06 08:10 -0500
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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting AlphaHeater <AlphaHeater21@6959.concepte.store> - 2025-01-06 02:50 +0000
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> - 2025-01-06 08:07 -0500
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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2025-01-01 07:31 -0500
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> - 2024-12-28 21:50 -0500
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Nomen Nescio <nobody@dizum.com> - 2024-12-29 01:30 +0100
                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> - 2024-12-28 21:49 -0500
                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting wasabi <lotso@jollyroger.com> - 2024-12-28 15:57 -0800
                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-12-28 16:03 -0800
                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-12-26 08:39 -0800
                                                                                                                                                                                                            Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-12-25 19:24 -0500
                                                                                                                                                                                                              Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> - 2024-12-26 11:05 -0600
                                                                                                                                                                                                    Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting ND beat Indy <choke@choke.choke> - 2024-12-20 21:37 -0800
                                                                                                                                                                                                      Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2024-12-21 09:35 -0500
                                                                                                                                                                                            Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-12-20 20:17 -0500
                                                                                                                                                                                              Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-12-20 17:18 -0800
                                                                                                                                                                                                Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-12-20 20:30 -0500
                                                                                                                                                                                            Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> - 2024-12-25 12:41 -0600
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                                                                                                                                                                                      Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Gary M. Stewart <flatfish@linuxmail.org> - 2024-12-25 21:48 +0100
                                                                                                                                                                                  Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> - 2024-12-25 12:36 -0600
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                                                                                                                                                                        Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-12-17 14:06 -0800
                                                                                                                                                                      Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> - 2024-12-25 12:29 -0600
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                                                                                                                                    Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-12-16 11:42 -0800
                                                                                                                                      Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-12-16 15:16 -0500
                                                                                                                                        Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-12-16 12:33 -0800
                                                                                                                                          Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-12-16 16:04 -0500
                                                                                                                                            Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-12-16 13:13 -0800
                                                                                                                                              Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-12-16 18:18 -0500
                                                                                                                                                Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-12-17 10:20 -0800
                                                                                                                                            Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2024-12-16 16:29 -0500
                                                                                                                                              Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-12-16 17:53 -0500
                                                                                                                                                Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2024-12-16 19:51 -0500
                                                                                                                                                  Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-12-17 10:38 -0500
                                                                                                                                                  Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-12-17 10:29 -0800
                                                                                                                                                Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-12-17 10:18 -0800
                                                                                                                                                  Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-12-17 13:23 -0500
                                                                                                                                                    Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-12-17 10:31 -0800
                                                                                                                                                    Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> - 2024-12-25 13:20 -0600
                                                                                                                                                Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> - 2024-12-25 13:15 -0600
                                                                                                                                        Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> - 2024-12-25 13:14 -0600
                                                                                                                                Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-12-16 11:40 -0800
                                                                                                                                  Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-12-16 15:08 -0500
                                                                                                                                    Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-12-16 12:29 -0800
                                                                                                                                      Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-12-16 16:01 -0500
                                                                                                                                        Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-12-16 13:30 -0800
                                                                                                                                          Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-12-16 18:24 -0500
                                                                                                                                            Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2024-12-16 21:11 -0500
                                                                                                                                            Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-12-17 10:28 -0800
                                                                                                                                          Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> - 2024-12-25 13:11 -0600
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                                                                                                                          Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting hank <none@invalid.org> - 2024-12-16 00:02 +0100
                                                                                                                            Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-12-16 09:06 -0800
                                                                                                          Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2024-12-14 18:21 -0500
                                                                                                            Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting hank <none@invalid.org> - 2024-12-15 23:06 +0100
                                                                                                              Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-12-15 15:41 -0800
                                                                                                                Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Duc Nguyen <dnguyen@somecorp.org> - 2024-12-15 19:10 -0800
                                                                                                                  Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2024-12-15 22:50 -0500
                                                                                                                  Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-12-15 22:42 -0800
                                                                                                              Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2024-12-15 22:35 -0500
                                                                                            Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> - 2024-12-10 08:56 -0600
                                                                                          Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> - 2024-12-10 08:51 -0600
                                                                                      Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> - 2024-12-10 08:49 -0600
                                                                              Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> - 2024-12-09 09:34 -0600
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                                                                        Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2024-12-07 23:59 +0000
                                                                        Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> - 2024-12-09 09:30 -0600
                                                                      Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Rudy Canoza <rc@thejollykone.con> - 2024-12-08 04:06 -0500
                                                                        Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> - 2024-12-09 10:02 -0600
                                                                      Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting T. Walz <tampons4sale@dont-email.me> - 2024-12-08 12:41 +0100
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                                                                  Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2024-12-09 13:46 -0500
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                    Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> - 2024-11-25 15:31 -0600
                Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2024-11-24 22:41 -0500
                  Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-11-24 23:13 -0500
                    Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-11-24 23:47 -0800
                    Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2024-11-25 06:59 -0500
                      Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-11-25 07:44 -0500
                        Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2024-11-25 08:18 -0500
                          Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-11-25 08:35 -0500
                            Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2024-11-25 08:58 -0500
                              Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-11-25 09:09 -0500
                                Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2024-11-25 10:40 -0500
                                  Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-11-26 08:35 -0500
                                    Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2024-11-26 09:59 -0500
                                      Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-11-26 10:44 -0500
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                        Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-11-26 16:16 -0800
                          Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-11-26 19:46 -0500
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#145294

FromJoel <joelcrump@gmail.com>
Date2024-12-16 18:18 -0500
Message-ID<r4d1mj5itqsg09ukdkmm6p1ec6otc4gfoe@4ax.com>
In reply to#145283
Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:

>>>> [JWC's desktop PC is] limitlessly expandable.  That's what the bragging rights derive
>>>> from.
>>>
>>> My MacBook Air is "limitlessly expandable" to, Sunshine.
>>>
>>> <https://www.sonnettech.com/product/thunderbolt/pcie-card-expansion-systems.html>
>> 
>> Sounds easy to travel with.
>
>We were discussing expandability, sunshine.
>
>In the context of portability, I could take the computer and leave the 
>PCIe expansion chassis behind.


OK, but it doesn't really make your laptop special.


>>>>>> If I had spent a comparable amount on a comparable OEM PC, it'd not be
>>>>>> nearly as good.  That's undeniable.
>>>>>
>>>>> Did you buy a personal computer to get things done...
>>>>>
>>>>> ...or to brag about how "l337" you are?
>>>>
>>>> Both.
>>> And that says EVERYTHING about you.
>>>
>>> Given your stated use cases, there is nothing that a Mac Mini couldn't
>>> have done as well (or better) than what you spent more money (and time!)
>>> to end up with.
>> 
>> But it'd run macOS, so ...
>Which does literally everything you say you do on Linux.


Any modern computer does.  But Linux does it with elegance.  Winblows
is a behemoth, and macOS is quirky.

-- 
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent.  States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.

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#145328

FromAlan <nuh-uh@nope.com>
Date2024-12-17 10:20 -0800
Message-ID<vjsfck$1rknv$2@dont-email.me>
In reply to#145294
On 2024-12-16 15:18, Joel wrote:
> Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
> 
>>>>> [JWC's desktop PC is] limitlessly expandable.  That's what the bragging rights derive
>>>>> from.
>>>>
>>>> My MacBook Air is "limitlessly expandable" to, Sunshine.
>>>>
>>>> <https://www.sonnettech.com/product/thunderbolt/pcie-card-expansion-systems.html>
>>>
>>> Sounds easy to travel with.
>>
>> We were discussing expandability, sunshine.
>>
>> In the context of portability, I could take the computer and leave the
>> PCIe expansion chassis behind.
> 
> 
> OK, but it doesn't really make your laptop special.

I wasn't saying it to claim my laptop was special, snowflake.

I'm claiming that your "expandability" argument is wrong.

> 
> 
>>>>>>> If I had spent a comparable amount on a comparable OEM PC, it'd not be
>>>>>>> nearly as good.  That's undeniable.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Did you buy a personal computer to get things done...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ...or to brag about how "l337" you are?
>>>>>
>>>>> Both.
>>>> And that says EVERYTHING about you.
>>>>
>>>> Given your stated use cases, there is nothing that a Mac Mini couldn't
>>>> have done as well (or better) than what you spent more money (and time!)
>>>> to end up with.
>>>
>>> But it'd run macOS, so ...
>> Which does literally everything you say you do on Linux.
> 
> 
> Any modern computer does.  But Linux does it with elegance.  Winblows
> is a behemoth, and macOS is quirky.
And yet you cannot articulate what supposedly makes it "quirky".

What is a "quirk" of macOS?

Give a SINGLE example.

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#145286

From-hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com>
Date2024-12-16 16:29 -0500
Message-ID<vjq62t$1acb4$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#145277
On 12/16/24 4:04 PM, Joel wrote:
> Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
> 
>>>>> Newegg has prefab systems that aren't the name brand, that's what I'd
>>>>> go for if I wanted an OEM, but you can bet anything it won't have a
>>>>> motherboard like the one I bought as a part.
>>>>
>>>> How is yours materially better...
>>>>
>>>> ...I mean apart from "bragging rights"?
>>>
>>> It's limitlessly expandable.  That's what the bragging rights derive
>>> from.
>>
>> My MacBook Air is "limitlessly expandable" to, Sunshine.
>>
>> <https://www.sonnettech.com/product/thunderbolt/pcie-card-expansion-systems.html>
> 
> 
> Sounds easy to travel with.

Yes, it is far easier than to lug a desktop tower, along with its 
separate display, separate keyboard, & separate mouse.



>>>>> [The Mac mini] runs Apple's goofy OS, in any event.
>>>>
>>>> About which you've never been able to articulate what is "goofy" about it.
>>>
>>> I don't like it.  It's like a nasty food.  And Win11 is like a serving
>>> of food that's too large, but you are nevertheless expected to eat the
>>> whole thing.
>>
>> "I don't like it" is not the same is "it's goofy", princess.
>>
>> You cannot articulate a single actual thing that makes a Mac "goofy" or
>> "quirky".
>  
> Finder in Snow Leopard was a piece of junk.


I don't recall it being bad at all: it was speedier than its predecessor 
and used less resources.  Of course, this complaint from Joel is from an 
OS introduced fifteen years ago (2009), so at the very least, he should 
be sure to compare it to its contemporary of Windows 7, not current OSs.


>>>>> If I had spent a comparable amount on a comparable OEM PC, it'd not be
>>>>> nearly as good.  That's undeniable.
>>>>
>>>> Did you buy a personal computer to get things done...
>>>>
>>>> ...or to brag about how "l337" you are?
>>>
>>> Both.
>> And that says EVERYTHING about you.
>>
>> Given your stated use cases, there is nothing that a Mac Mini couldn't
>> have done as well (or better) than what you spent more money (and time!)
>> to end up with.
> 
> But it'd run macOS, so ...

It ships with MacOS, but that's not the only OS choice for l33t braggarts.


-hh

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#145289

FromJoel <joelcrump@gmail.com>
Date2024-12-16 17:53 -0500
Message-ID<nmb1mj5ptum3qp424ikk9uuvof4o6qqv20@4ax.com>
In reply to#145286
-hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> wrote:
>On 12/16/24 4:04 PM, Joel wrote:
>> Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>> 
>>>>>> Newegg has prefab systems that aren't the name brand, that's what I'd
>>>>>> go for if I wanted an OEM, but you can bet anything it won't have a
>>>>>> motherboard like the one I bought as a part.
>>>>>
>>>>> How is yours materially better...
>>>>>
>>>>> ...I mean apart from "bragging rights"?
>>>>
>>>> It's limitlessly expandable.  That's what the bragging rights derive
>>>> from.
>>>
>>> My MacBook Air is "limitlessly expandable" to, Sunshine.
>>>
>>> <https://www.sonnettech.com/product/thunderbolt/pcie-card-expansion-systems.html>
>> 
>> Sounds easy to travel with.
>
>Yes, it is far easier than to lug a desktop tower, along with its 
>separate display, separate keyboard, & separate mouse.


Not the point.  Alan is trying to conflate laptop "expandability" with
a desktop machine.


>>>>>> [The Mac mini] runs Apple's goofy OS, in any event.
>>>>>
>>>>> About which you've never been able to articulate what is "goofy" about it.
>>>>
>>>> I don't like it.  It's like a nasty food.  And Win11 is like a serving
>>>> of food that's too large, but you are nevertheless expected to eat the
>>>> whole thing.
>>>
>>> "I don't like it" is not the same is "it's goofy", princess.
>>>
>>> You cannot articulate a single actual thing that makes a Mac "goofy" or
>>> "quirky".
>>  
>> Finder in Snow Leopard was a piece of junk.
>
>I don't recall it being bad at all: it was speedier than its predecessor 
>and used less resources.  Of course, this complaint from Joel is from an 
>OS introduced fifteen years ago (2009), so at the very least, he should 
>be sure to compare it to its contemporary of Windows 7, not current OSs.


Win7's Windows Explorer was far better.


>>>>>> If I had spent a comparable amount on a comparable OEM PC, it'd not be
>>>>>> nearly as good.  That's undeniable.
>>>>>
>>>>> Did you buy a personal computer to get things done...
>>>>>
>>>>> ...or to brag about how "l337" you are?
>>>>
>>>> Both.
>>> And that says EVERYTHING about you.
>>>
>>> Given your stated use cases, there is nothing that a Mac Mini couldn't
>>> have done as well (or better) than what you spent more money (and time!)
>>> to end up with.
>> 
>> But it'd run macOS, so ...
>
>It ships with MacOS, but that's not the only OS choice for l33t braggarts.


Oh sure, buy an Apple device to run something else, that makes sense.

-- 
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent.  States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.

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#145298

From-hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com>
Date2024-12-16 19:51 -0500
Message-ID<vjqhtu$1cfbo$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#145289
On 12/16/24 5:53 PM, Joel wrote:
> -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> wrote:
>> On 12/16/24 4:04 PM, Joel wrote:
>>> Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>>>> Newegg has prefab systems that aren't the name brand, that's what I'd
>>>>>>> go for if I wanted an OEM, but you can bet anything it won't have a
>>>>>>> motherboard like the one I bought as a part.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> How is yours materially better...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ...I mean apart from "bragging rights"?
>>>>>
>>>>> It's limitlessly expandable.  That's what the bragging rights derive
>>>>> from.
>>>>
>>>> My MacBook Air is "limitlessly expandable" to, Sunshine.
>>>>
>>>> <https://www.sonnettech.com/product/thunderbolt/pcie-card-expansion-systems.html>
>>>
>>> Sounds easy to travel with.
>>
>> Yes, it is far easier than to lug a desktop tower, along with its
>> separate display, separate keyboard, & separate mouse.
> 
> 
> Not the point.  Alan is trying to conflate laptop "expandability" with
> a desktop machine.


Well, Alan is correct.

You're just complaining that the expandability wasn't in precisely the 
form that you prefer, but that doesn't change the fact that his laptop 
example is in fact, quite expandable.



>>>>>>> [The Mac mini] runs Apple's goofy OS, in any event.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> About which you've never been able to articulate what is "goofy" about it.
>>>>>
>>>>> I don't like it.  It's like a nasty food.  And Win11 is like a serving
>>>>> of food that's too large, but you are nevertheless expected to eat the
>>>>> whole thing.
>>>>
>>>> "I don't like it" is not the same is "it's goofy", princess.
>>>>
>>>> You cannot articulate a single actual thing that makes a Mac "goofy" or
>>>> "quirky".
>>>   
>>> Finder in Snow Leopard was a piece of junk.
>>
>> I don't recall it being bad at all: it was speedier than its predecessor
>> and used less resources.  Of course, this complaint from Joel is from an
>> OS introduced fifteen years ago (2009), so at the very least, he should
>> be sure to compare it to its contemporary of Windows 7, not current OSs.
> 
> 
> Win7's Windows Explorer was far better.

Windows Internet Explorer was an App, not an OS.  And IE7 was such a 
'great' product that MS lost their marketshare lead to Firefox in 2009.


>>>>>>> If I had spent a comparable amount on a comparable OEM PC, it'd not be
>>>>>>> nearly as good.  That's undeniable.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Did you buy a personal computer to get things done...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ...or to brag about how "l337" you are?
>>>>>
>>>>> Both.
>>>> And that says EVERYTHING about you.
>>>>
>>>> Given your stated use cases, there is nothing that a Mac Mini couldn't
>>>> have done as well (or better) than what you spent more money (and time!)
>>>> to end up with.
>>>
>>> But it'd run macOS, so ...
>>
>> It ships with MacOS, but that's not the only OS choice for l33t braggarts.
> 
> 
> Oh sure, buy an Apple device to run something else, that makes sense.

Its noting on the hardware, plus details like the default OS not being 
used is simply bigger bragging rights for the l33t geeks & wannabees.

-hh

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#145318

FromJoel <joelcrump@gmail.com>
Date2024-12-17 10:38 -0500
Message-ID<ul63mjt2p6ct8krek7dm8q6v9gslked3r2@4ax.com>
In reply to#145298
-hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> wrote:

>>>> Finder in Snow Leopard was a piece of junk.
>>>
>>> I don't recall it being bad at all: it was speedier than its predecessor
>>> and used less resources.  Of course, this complaint from Joel is from an
>>> OS introduced fifteen years ago (2009), so at the very least, he should
>>> be sure to compare it to its contemporary of Windows 7, not current OSs.
>> 
>> Win7's Windows Explorer was far better.
>
>Windows Internet Explorer was an App, not an OS.  And IE7 was such a 
>'great' product that MS lost their marketshare lead to Firefox in 2009.


I'm talking about what is now called File Explorer, explorer.exe, not
IE the Web browser.

-- 
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent.  States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.

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#145334

FromAlan <nuh-uh@nope.com>
Date2024-12-17 10:29 -0800
Message-ID<vjsfu9$1rknv$6@dont-email.me>
In reply to#145298
On 2024-12-16 16:51, -hh wrote:
>>
>> Win7's Windows Explorer was far better.
> 
> Windows Internet Explorer was an App, not an OS.  And IE7 was such a 
> 'great' product that MS lost their marketshare lead to Firefox in 2009.

To be fair, I'm certain he meant "File Explorer"...

...which of course Microsoft make ambiguous because of their propensity 
for using the same word for different purposes, over and over and over.

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#145327

FromAlan <nuh-uh@nope.com>
Date2024-12-17 10:18 -0800
Message-ID<vjsf9s$1rknv$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#145289
On 2024-12-16 14:53, Joel wrote:
> -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> wrote:
>> On 12/16/24 4:04 PM, Joel wrote:
>>> Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>>>> Newegg has prefab systems that aren't the name brand, that's what I'd
>>>>>>> go for if I wanted an OEM, but you can bet anything it won't have a
>>>>>>> motherboard like the one I bought as a part.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> How is yours materially better...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ...I mean apart from "bragging rights"?
>>>>>
>>>>> It's limitlessly expandable.  That's what the bragging rights derive
>>>>> from.
>>>>
>>>> My MacBook Air is "limitlessly expandable" to, Sunshine.
>>>>
>>>> <https://www.sonnettech.com/product/thunderbolt/pcie-card-expansion-systems.html>
>>>
>>> Sounds easy to travel with.
>>
>> Yes, it is far easier than to lug a desktop tower, along with its
>> separate display, separate keyboard, & separate mouse.
> 
> 
> Not the point.  Alan is trying to conflate laptop "expandability" with
> a desktop machine.

I'm pointing out that your claims of lack of expandability in machines 
such as the Mac Mini are specious.

It may not be the ordinary FORM in which you are used to seeing it, but 
Macs are expandable.

> 
> 
>>>>>>> [The Mac mini] runs Apple's goofy OS, in any event.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> About which you've never been able to articulate what is "goofy" about it.
>>>>>
>>>>> I don't like it.  It's like a nasty food.  And Win11 is like a serving
>>>>> of food that's too large, but you are nevertheless expected to eat the
>>>>> whole thing.
>>>>
>>>> "I don't like it" is not the same is "it's goofy", princess.
>>>>
>>>> You cannot articulate a single actual thing that makes a Mac "goofy" or
>>>> "quirky".
>>>   
>>> Finder in Snow Leopard was a piece of junk.
>>
>> I don't recall it being bad at all: it was speedier than its predecessor
>> and used less resources.  Of course, this complaint from Joel is from an
>> OS introduced fifteen years ago (2009), so at the very least, he should
>> be sure to compare it to its contemporary of Windows 7, not current OSs.
> 
> 
> Win7's Windows Explorer was far better.

IN

WHAT

SPECIFIC

WAY?

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#145330

FromJoel <joelcrump@gmail.com>
Date2024-12-17 13:23 -0500
Message-ID<1cg3mj13bn11rltmjeacncpk79kb9i1f5m@4ax.com>
In reply to#145327
Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>On 2024-12-16 14:53, Joel wrote:
>> -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> wrote:
>>> On 12/16/24 4:04 PM, Joel wrote:
>>>>   
>>>> Finder in Snow Leopard was a piece of junk.
>>>
>>> I don't recall it being bad at all: it was speedier than its predecessor
>>> and used less resources.  Of course, this complaint from Joel is from an
>>> OS introduced fifteen years ago (2009), so at the very least, he should
>>> be sure to compare it to its contemporary of Windows 7, not current OSs.
>> 
>> Win7's Windows Explorer was far better.
>
>IN
>
>WHAT
>
>SPECIFIC
>
>WAY?


Context menus, etc.

-- 
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent.  States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.

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#145336

FromAlan <nuh-uh@nope.com>
Date2024-12-17 10:31 -0800
Message-ID<vjsg2m$1rknu$2@dont-email.me>
In reply to#145330
On 2024-12-17 10:23, Joel wrote:
> Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>> On 2024-12-16 14:53, Joel wrote:
>>> -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> wrote:
>>>> On 12/16/24 4:04 PM, Joel wrote:
>>>>>    
>>>>> Finder in Snow Leopard was a piece of junk.
>>>>
>>>> I don't recall it being bad at all: it was speedier than its predecessor
>>>> and used less resources.  Of course, this complaint from Joel is from an
>>>> OS introduced fifteen years ago (2009), so at the very least, he should
>>>> be sure to compare it to its contemporary of Windows 7, not current OSs.
>>>
>>> Win7's Windows Explorer was far better.
>>
>> IN
>>
>> WHAT
>>
>> SPECIFIC
>>
>> WAY?
> 
> 
> Context menus, etc.
We've debunked that one.

The Finder had context menus.

Try again.

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#145642

From"Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net>
Date2024-12-25 13:20 -0600
Message-ID<vkhok5$2hgi2$33@dont-email.me>
In reply to#145330

"Joel" <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote in message 
news:1cg3mj13bn11rltmjeacncpk79kb9i1f5m@4ax.com...
> Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>>On 2024-12-16 14:53, Joel wrote:
>>> -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> wrote:
>>>> On 12/16/24 4:04 PM, Joel wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Finder in Snow Leopard was a piece of junk.
>>>>
>>>> I don't recall it being bad at all: it was speedier than its 
>>>> predecessor
>>>> and used less resources.  Of course, this complaint from Joel is from 
>>>> an
>>>> OS introduced fifteen years ago (2009), so at the very least, he should
>>>> be sure to compare it to its contemporary of Windows 7, not current 
>>>> OSs.
>>>
>>> Win7's Windows Explorer was far better.
>>
>>IN
>>
>>WHAT
>>
>>SPECIFIC
>>
>>WAY?
>
>
> Context menus, etc.
>
> -- 
> Joel W. Crump


Keep in mind that Joel is forever complaining about how I remain with 
Win7...

and investment I continue to reap benefits thought from not having to pay 
for new licenses and being able to take advantage of existing software for 
which I have business or unlimited licenses, meaning I can install software 
I've paid for once on as many machines as I want/need to. and which is 
compatible with the file format still being used by current MS products.
 

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#145641

From"Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net>
Date2024-12-25 13:15 -0600
Message-ID<vkhoj6$2hgi2$32@dont-email.me>
In reply to#145289

"Joel" <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote in message 
news:nmb1mj5ptum3qp424ikk9uuvof4o6qqv20@4ax.com...
> -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> wrote:
>>On 12/16/24 4:04 PM, Joel wrote:
>>> Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>>>> Newegg has prefab systems that aren't the name brand, that's what 
>>>>>>> I'd
>>>>>>> go for if I wanted an OEM, but you can bet anything it won't have a
>>>>>>> motherboard like the one I bought as a part.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> How is yours materially better...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ...I mean apart from "bragging rights"?
>>>>>
>>>>> It's limitlessly expandable.  That's what the bragging rights derive
>>>>> from.
>>>>
>>>> My MacBook Air is "limitlessly expandable" to, Sunshine.
>>>>
>>>> <https://www.sonnettech.com/product/thunderbolt/pcie-card-expansion-systems.html>
>>>
>>> Sounds easy to travel with.
>>
>>Yes, it is far easier than to lug a desktop tower, along with its
>>separate display, separate keyboard, & separate mouse.
>
>
> Not the point.

Sorry, you have already stated for the record those are valid points.

 

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#145640

From"Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net>
Date2024-12-25 13:14 -0600
Message-ID<vkhoi7$2hgi2$31@dont-email.me>
In reply to#145264

"Joel" <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote in message 
news:f821mjlrjps24e8icmllhme2398on0je1s@4ax.com...
> Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>>On 2024-12-15 14:01, Joel wrote:
>>> -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Newegg has prefab systems that aren't the name brand, that's what I'd
>>> go for if I wanted an OEM, but you can bet anything it won't have a
>>> motherboard like the one I bought as a part.
>>
>>How is yours materially better...
>>
>>...I mean apart from "bragging rights"?
>
>
> It's limitlessly expandable.

Except for adding another hard drive.. right?


>  That's what the bragging rights derive
> from.

Must suck then that you've admitted to having ZERO expandability when it 
comes to hard drives.

Hmmmm.. Wouldn't that be called "a limit"
 

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#145256

FromAlan <nuh-uh@nope.com>
Date2024-12-16 11:40 -0800
Message-ID<vjpvn4$18qqi$4@dont-email.me>
In reply to#145219
On 2024-12-15 12:48, Joel wrote:
> -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> wrote:
>> On 12/15/24 12:24 PM, Alan wrote:
>>> On 2024-12-15 02:56, Joel wrote:
>>>> Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> People who value things differently than you do are not automatically
>>>>> stupid.
>>>>>
>>>>> I realize that concept is a little too advanced for your adolescent
>>>>> thinking, but it's still true.
>>>>
>>>> It's not adolescent thinking, it's simple math.  And I'm not calling
>>>> you "stupid", I'm pointing out that you can always do far better than
>>>> Apple, on value, if you build [a computer] yourself.
>>>
>>> And if you don't value you your own time.
>>>
>>> Yu're conflating "value" with "monetary cost" alone.
>>
>> Ah, its the lame old classic bit of "my labor is always frrrrreee!".
>>
>> Well, as I've said before:  prove that your labor is worth so little to
>> you by coming over and mowing my lawn.
>>
>> Of course, at this time of year, their task will be raking up leaves ..
>> or if it snows later, to get out there in the cold and shovel:  I'm
>> flexible for what menial labor task they'll prove themselves with <g>.
> 
> 
> Labor and the time it takes is just part of getting a good PC, you
> have to buy it as parts, you have to design it.  You could pay a
> fortune for some other person to do the work for you, but it's not
> worth it, you'd be better off in that case with a decent prefab
> machine.  But what do you do with IKEA furniture?  Do you pay someone
> to assemble it, or do you just bite the bullet and take the time? It's
> not so different with a PC, it's something you'll get a lot of use out
> of.  I've already had mine for 2 1/2 years, and it's like new. Worth
> every minute I put in, assembling it.
> 

But you don't pay "a fortune", Joel.

You pay a small premium.

And your computer is "like new"...

...after you've added a video card to address a failing in your research 
when designing your system...

...and replacing the OS with Linux because your system was so poorly 
spec'ed it couldn't keep running Windows well.

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#145263

FromJoel <joelcrump@gmail.com>
Date2024-12-16 15:08 -0500
Message-ID<2321mjdq1ft7m6jjeg7kts836oegoiruve@4ax.com>
In reply to#145256
Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:

>> Labor and the time it takes [assembling computer hardware] is just part of getting a good PC, you
>> have to buy it as parts, you have to design it.  You could pay a
>> fortune for some other person to do the work for you, but it's not
>> worth it, you'd be better off in that case with a decent prefab
>> machine.  But what do you do with IKEA furniture?  Do you pay someone
>> to assemble it, or do you just bite the bullet and take the time? It's
>> not so different with a PC, it's something you'll get a lot of use out
>> of.  I've already had mine for 2 1/2 years, and it's like new. Worth
>> every minute I put in, assembling it.
>
>But you don't pay "a fortune", Joel.
>
>You pay a small premium.
>
>And your computer is "like new"...
>
>...after you've added a video card to address a failing in your research 
>when designing your system...
>
>...and replacing the OS with Linux because your system was so poorly 
>spec'ed it couldn't keep running Windows well.


That's ridiculous.  It's normal to add parts as needed, and replace
bloating M$-crapware OSes with Linux.  Why are you harping on it?

-- 
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent.  States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.

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#145270

FromAlan <nuh-uh@nope.com>
Date2024-12-16 12:29 -0800
Message-ID<vjq2ja$18qqj$5@dont-email.me>
In reply to#145263
On 2024-12-16 12:08, Joel wrote:
> Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
> 
>>> Labor and the time it takes [assembling computer hardware] is just part of getting a good PC, you
>>> have to buy it as parts, you have to design it.  You could pay a
>>> fortune for some other person to do the work for you, but it's not
>>> worth it, you'd be better off in that case with a decent prefab
>>> machine.  But what do you do with IKEA furniture?  Do you pay someone
>>> to assemble it, or do you just bite the bullet and take the time? It's
>>> not so different with a PC, it's something you'll get a lot of use out
>>> of.  I've already had mine for 2 1/2 years, and it's like new. Worth
>>> every minute I put in, assembling it.
>>
>> But you don't pay "a fortune", Joel.
>>
>> You pay a small premium.
>>
>> And your computer is "like new"...
>>
>> ...after you've added a video card to address a failing in your research
>> when designing your system...
>>
>> ...and replacing the OS with Linux because your system was so poorly
>> spec'ed it couldn't keep running Windows well.
> 
> 
> That's ridiculous.  It's normal to add parts as needed, and replace
> bloating M$-crapware OSes with Linux.  Why are you harping on it?
> 

Because you're trying to convince us your design skills are so "elite", 
doofus.

In the space of just 30 months you:

had to add a video card because you didn't realize that you might end up 
with a 4K monitor (and you couldn't make a 4K monitor work on a GPU that 
is supposed to support one);

had to abandon a $200 investment in Windows, because you either couldn't 
spec a system that would keep up with upgrades to Windows or you 
couldn't figure out why your system was slowing down.

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#145276

FromJoel <joelcrump@gmail.com>
Date2024-12-16 16:01 -0500
Message-ID<1551mjlgd0a9pmmf61o4phbvcl0l3n8ao0@4ax.com>
In reply to#145270
Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:

>>>> Labor and the time it takes [assembling computer hardware] is just part of getting a good PC, you
>>>> have to buy it as parts, you have to design it.  You could pay a
>>>> fortune for some other person to do the work for you, but it's not
>>>> worth it, you'd be better off in that case with a decent prefab
>>>> machine.  But what do you do with IKEA furniture?  Do you pay someone
>>>> to assemble it, or do you just bite the bullet and take the time? It's
>>>> not so different with a PC, it's something you'll get a lot of use out
>>>> of.  I've already had mine for 2 1/2 years, and it's like new. Worth
>>>> every minute I put in, assembling it.
>>>
>>> But you don't pay "a fortune", Joel.
>>>
>>> You pay a small premium.
>>>
>>> And your computer is "like new"...
>>>
>>> ...after you've added a video card to address a failing in your research
>>> when designing your system...
>>>
>>> ...and replacing the OS with Linux because your system was so poorly
>>> spec'ed it couldn't keep running Windows well.
>> 
>> That's ridiculous.  It's normal to add parts as needed, and replace
>> bloating M$-crapware OSes with Linux.  Why are you harping on it?
>
>Because you're trying to convince us your design skills are so "elite", 
>doofus.
>
>In the space of just 30 months you:
>
>had to add a video card because you didn't realize that you might end up 
>with a 4K monitor (and you couldn't make a 4K monitor work on a GPU that 
>is supposed to support one);
>
>had to abandon a $200 investment in Windows, because you either couldn't 
>spec a system that would keep up with upgrades to Windows or you 
>couldn't figure out why your system was slowing down.


How is any of that true?  The 4K monitor worked with the Intel video,
just not well enough, adding the video card is a minor concern, I
always intended that if there were a need for one I'd be able to do
so.  The investment in Windows is nothing to me, I got a lot of use
out of it in 2 1/2 years, until Linux better supported my fresh
hardware.  Big fucking deal.

-- 
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent.  States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.

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#145287

FromAlan <nuh-uh@nope.com>
Date2024-12-16 13:30 -0800
Message-ID<vjq66j$1ads2$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#145276
On 2024-12-16 13:01, Joel wrote:
> Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
> 
>>>>> Labor and the time it takes [assembling computer hardware] is just part of getting a good PC, you
>>>>> have to buy it as parts, you have to design it.  You could pay a
>>>>> fortune for some other person to do the work for you, but it's not
>>>>> worth it, you'd be better off in that case with a decent prefab
>>>>> machine.  But what do you do with IKEA furniture?  Do you pay someone
>>>>> to assemble it, or do you just bite the bullet and take the time? It's
>>>>> not so different with a PC, it's something you'll get a lot of use out
>>>>> of.  I've already had mine for 2 1/2 years, and it's like new. Worth
>>>>> every minute I put in, assembling it.
>>>>
>>>> But you don't pay "a fortune", Joel.
>>>>
>>>> You pay a small premium.
>>>>
>>>> And your computer is "like new"...
>>>>
>>>> ...after you've added a video card to address a failing in your research
>>>> when designing your system...
>>>>
>>>> ...and replacing the OS with Linux because your system was so poorly
>>>> spec'ed it couldn't keep running Windows well.
>>>
>>> That's ridiculous.  It's normal to add parts as needed, and replace
>>> bloating M$-crapware OSes with Linux.  Why are you harping on it?
>>
>> Because you're trying to convince us your design skills are so "elite",
>> doofus.
>>
>> In the space of just 30 months you:
>>
>> had to add a video card because you didn't realize that you might end up
>> with a 4K monitor (and you couldn't make a 4K monitor work on a GPU that
>> is supposed to support one);
>>
>> had to abandon a $200 investment in Windows, because you either couldn't
>> spec a system that would keep up with upgrades to Windows or you
>> couldn't figure out why your system was slowing down.
> 
> 
> How is any of that true?  The 4K monitor worked with the Intel video,
> just not well enough, adding the video card is a minor concern, I
> always intended that if there were a need for one I'd be able to do
> so.  The investment in Windows is nothing to me, I got a lot of use
> out of it in 2 1/2 years, until Linux better supported my fresh
> hardware.  Big fucking deal.
> 

You bought Windows, because (presumably) you thought it was the better 
choice...

...but then you spec'ed hardware that wasn't able to run it for more 
than 2.5 years.

And if "investment in Windows is nothing to [you]", then why do you make 
such a big deal out of paying less for your system than an equivalent 
Mac (which you didn't; a Mac Mini would have done what you're doing and 
cost you even less).

And if a monitor isn't working "well enough" and you have to spend 
additional dollars to correct it, then you didn't do a very good job of 
designing your system in the first place.

You spent additional time on installing the new GPU.

You spent additional time on installing and configuring Linux.

Those are costs over and above what you'd have paid if you'd made your 
design choices better in the first place.

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#145297

FromJoel <joelcrump@gmail.com>
Date2024-12-16 18:24 -0500
Message-ID<dfd1mjhkfrqone1m69hc4thp56un7r122u@4ax.com>
In reply to#145287
Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:

>>>> It's normal to add parts as needed, and replace
>>>> bloating M$-crapware OSes with Linux.  Why are you harping on it?
>>>
>>> Because you're trying to convince us your design skills are so "elite",
>>> doofus.
>>>
>>> In the space of just 30 months you:
>>>
>>> had to add a video card because you didn't realize that you might end up
>>> with a 4K monitor (and you couldn't make a 4K monitor work on a GPU that
>>> is supposed to support one);
>>>
>>> had to abandon a $200 investment in Windows, because you either couldn't
>>> spec a system that would keep up with upgrades to Windows or you
>>> couldn't figure out why your system was slowing down.
>> 
>> How is any of that true?  The 4K monitor worked with the Intel video,
>> just not well enough, adding the video card is a minor concern, I
>> always intended that if there were a need for one I'd be able to do
>> so.  The investment in Windows is nothing to me, I got a lot of use
>> out of it in 2 1/2 years, until Linux better supported my fresh
>> hardware.  Big fucking deal.
>
>You bought Windows, because (presumably) you thought it was the better 
>choice...
>
>...but then you spec'ed hardware that wasn't able to run it for more 
>than 2.5 years.


"Able to", it was, acceptably *to me*, not.


>And if "investment in Windows is nothing to [you]", then why do you make 
>such a big deal out of paying less for your system than an equivalent 
>Mac (which you didn't; a Mac Mini would have done what you're doing and 
>cost you even less).


Would the mini have 32 GB RAM and 1 TB SSD, pray tell, genius?


>And if a monitor isn't working "well enough" and you have to spend 
>additional dollars to correct it, then you didn't do a very good job of 
>designing your system in the first place.


It worked as a monitor, Win11 and Intel's video failed to handle it
well.


>You spent additional time on installing the new GPU.
>
>You spent additional time on installing and configuring Linux.
>
>Those are costs over and above what you'd have paid if you'd made your 
>design choices better in the first place.


And I'd rather spend that time than deal with Apple BS.

-- 
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent.  States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.

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#145300

From-hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com>
Date2024-12-16 21:11 -0500
Message-ID<vjqmkf$1ci8h$2@dont-email.me>
In reply to#145297
On 12/16/24 6:24 PM, Joel wrote:
> Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
> 
>>>>> It's normal to add parts as needed, and replace
>>>>> bloating M$-crapware OSes with Linux.  Why are you harping on it?
>>>>
>>>> Because you're trying to convince us your design skills are so "elite",
>>>> doofus.
>>>>
>>>> In the space of just 30 months you:
>>>>
>>>> had to add a video card because you didn't realize that you might end up
>>>> with a 4K monitor (and you couldn't make a 4K monitor work on a GPU that
>>>> is supposed to support one);
>>>>
>>>> had to abandon a $200 investment in Windows, because you either couldn't
>>>> spec a system that would keep up with upgrades to Windows or you
>>>> couldn't figure out why your system was slowing down.
>>>
>>> How is any of that true?  The 4K monitor worked with the Intel video,
>>> just not well enough, adding the video card is a minor concern, I
>>> always intended that if there were a need for one I'd be able to do
>>> so.  The investment in Windows is nothing to me, I got a lot of use
>>> out of it in 2 1/2 years, until Linux better supported my fresh
>>> hardware.  Big fucking deal.
>>
>> You bought Windows, because (presumably) you thought it was the better
>> choice...
>>
>> ...but then you spec'ed hardware that wasn't able to run it for more
>> than 2.5 years.
> 
> "Able to", it was, acceptably *to me*, not.

Big talk from a guy who thinks that an i5 CPU is "high end"!  /s


>> And if "investment in Windows is nothing to [you]", then why do you make
>> such a big deal out of paying less for your system than an equivalent
>> Mac (which you didn't; a Mac Mini would have done what you're doing and
>> cost you even less).
> 
> Would the mini have 32 GB RAM and 1 TB SSD, pray tell, genius?

But you've already admitted that you have headroom that you're not using 
with 32GB/1TB, despite how x86 is known to be RAM inefficient.

So if one really is researching & buying based on needs instead of lame 
l33t posturing, then you'd know that the M architectural fit for your 
needs is more like 8GB/512GB.  Doing so puts the MSRP at $999: $150 less 
than what you spent instead of $650 more for stuff you don't need.


>> And if a monitor isn't working "well enough" and you have to spend
>> additional dollars to correct it, then you didn't do a very good job of
>> designing your system in the first place.
>
> It worked as a monitor, Win11 and Intel's video failed to handle it
> well.

By 2020, there was really no excuse to not buy a system that didn't 
offer 'good' 4K support.


>> You spent additional time on installing the new GPU.
>>
>> You spent additional time on installing and configuring Linux.
>>
>> Those are costs over and above what you'd have paid if you'd made your
>> design choices better in the first place.
> 
> And I'd rather spend that time than deal with Apple BS.

Because installing Linux once on new HW is a lot of work...check!  <g>


-hh

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