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Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting

Started byJoel <joelcrump@gmail.com>
First post2024-11-24 19:20 -0500
Last post2024-11-25 15:24 -0600
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  Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-11-24 19:20 -0500
    Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-11-24 16:23 -0800
      Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-11-24 19:50 -0500
        Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-11-24 17:09 -0800
          Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-11-24 20:34 -0500
            Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-11-24 17:44 -0800
              Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-11-24 21:03 -0500
                Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-11-24 18:17 -0800
                  Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-11-24 21:37 -0500
                    Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-11-24 18:42 -0800
                      Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-11-24 21:58 -0500
                        Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-11-24 18:59 -0800
                          Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-11-24 22:19 -0500
                            Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-11-24 19:32 -0800
                        Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2024-11-24 22:48 -0500
                          Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-11-24 19:52 -0800
                            Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-11-24 23:20 -0500
                              Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-11-24 23:46 -0800
                                Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-11-25 06:18 -0500
                                  Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-11-26 14:29 -0800
                                    Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-11-26 17:51 -0500
                                      Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-11-26 15:12 -0800
                                        Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-11-26 18:26 -0500
                                          Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> - 2024-11-27 10:59 -0600
                                      Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> - 2024-11-27 10:55 -0600
                                        Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-11-27 11:31 -0800
                                          Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> - 2024-12-02 11:16 -0600
                                            Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-12-02 14:09 -0500
                                              Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> - 2024-12-02 13:26 -0600
                                                Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-12-02 14:55 -0500
                                                  Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> - 2024-12-03 08:47 -0600
                                              Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Pierre <pierrej@shaw.ca> - 2024-12-03 09:51 +0100
                                    Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> - 2024-11-27 10:50 -0600
                              Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> - 2024-11-25 15:35 -0600
                            Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> - 2024-11-25 15:33 -0600
                              Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> - 2024-11-25 22:32 +0000
                          Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-11-24 23:15 -0500
                            Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-11-24 23:46 -0800
                              Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2024-11-25 07:08 -0500
                                Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-11-25 07:46 -0500
                                  Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2024-11-25 08:43 -0500
                                    Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-11-25 08:59 -0500
                                      Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2024-11-25 10:32 -0500
                                        Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-11-26 08:32 -0500
                                          Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2024-11-26 09:58 -0500
                                            Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-11-26 10:35 -0500
                                              Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-11-26 11:13 -0500
                                                Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> - 2024-11-27 10:45 -0600
                                              Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2024-11-27 12:01 -0500
                                                Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-11-27 12:32 -0500
                                                  Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> - 2024-11-27 12:45 -0600
                                                  Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2024-11-27 13:50 -0500
                                                    Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-11-27 14:19 -0500
                                                      Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2024-11-27 14:32 -0500
                                                        Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-11-27 15:05 -0500
                                                          Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-11-27 12:28 -0800
                                                            Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-11-27 15:54 -0500
                                                              Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-11-27 15:58 -0800
                                                                Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> - 2024-12-02 11:25 -0600
                                                                  Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-12-02 14:16 -0500
                                                                    Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> - 2024-12-02 13:41 -0600
                                                                      Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-12-02 14:59 -0500
                                                                        Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> - 2024-12-03 09:09 -0600
                                                              Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> - 2024-12-02 11:24 -0600
                                                                Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2024-12-02 13:49 -0500
                                                                  Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-12-02 14:28 -0500
                                                                    Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2024-12-02 16:11 -0500
                                                                      Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-12-02 16:38 -0500
                                                                    Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> - 2024-12-03 08:58 -0600
                                                                      Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-12-03 13:34 -0500
                                                                        Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> - 2024-12-04 10:55 -0600
                                                                          Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-12-04 12:45 -0500
                                                                            Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-12-04 09:59 -0800
                                                                              Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-12-04 13:17 -0500
                                                                                Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> - 2024-12-04 13:01 -0600
                                                                            Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> - 2024-12-04 12:59 -0600
                                                                      Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2024-12-03 14:03 -0500
                                                                        Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> - 2024-12-04 11:00 -0600
                                                          Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2024-11-27 16:26 -0500
                                                            Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-11-27 16:56 -0500
                                                              Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> - 2024-12-02 11:27 -0600
                                                          Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> - 2024-12-02 11:21 -0600
                                                            Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-12-02 14:13 -0500
                                                              Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> - 2024-12-02 13:33 -0600
                                                                Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-12-02 14:56 -0500
                                                                  Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> - 2024-12-03 08:52 -0600
                                                      Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-11-27 11:32 -0800
                                                        Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-11-27 15:08 -0500
                                                          Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-11-27 12:32 -0800
                                                            Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-11-27 16:00 -0500
                                                              Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-11-27 16:00 -0800
                                                      Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> - 2024-12-02 11:18 -0600
                                                        Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-12-02 14:10 -0500
                                                          Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> - 2024-12-02 13:30 -0600
                                              Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> - 2024-11-27 10:37 -0600
                                            Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> - 2024-11-26 10:06 -0600
                                          Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> - 2024-11-26 10:03 -0600
                                          Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-11-26 14:32 -0800
                                            Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-11-26 17:54 -0500
                                              Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-11-26 15:15 -0800
                                              Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> - 2024-11-27 00:04 +0000
                                                Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-11-26 19:16 -0500
                                                  Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Yon Wane <"yonwane-lol!"@pac2.com> - 2024-11-26 22:27 -0800
                                                    Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-11-27 08:29 -0500
                                                      Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> - 2024-11-27 11:18 -0600
                                                      Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting ppd382 <xyz@vote.com> - 2025-03-11 08:13 +0000
                                                        Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Mai Keister <m.keister@altopia.net> - 2025-03-11 13:59 -0700
                                                      Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting "jubox@ovens.net" <jubox@ovens.net> - 2025-03-18 17:48 +0000
                                                        Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting orangeneck <orangeneck@127.0.0.1> - 2025-03-29 22:06 +0100
                                      Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> - 2024-11-25 15:42 -0600
                                      Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-11-26 14:31 -0800
                                        Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-11-26 17:53 -0500
                                          Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-11-26 15:13 -0800
                                            Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-11-26 18:28 -0500
                                              Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-11-26 15:38 -0800
                                                Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-11-26 18:58 -0500
                                                  Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-11-26 16:16 -0800
                                                    Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-11-26 19:42 -0500
                                                      Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-11-26 17:33 -0800
                                                        Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-11-26 20:48 -0500
                                                          Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2024-11-27 06:25 -0500
                                                            Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> - 2024-11-27 11:17 -0600
                                                            Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-12-06 19:28 -0500
                                                              Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2024-12-07 13:18 -0500
                                                                Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-12-07 17:03 -0500
                                                                  Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-12-07 14:17 -0800
                                                                    Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-12-07 17:39 -0500
                                                                      Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-12-07 15:40 -0800
                                                                        Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-12-07 18:53 -0500
                                                                          Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-12-07 16:01 -0800
                                                                            Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-12-07 19:19 -0500
                                                                              Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-12-07 16:45 -0800
                                                                                Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-12-07 20:14 -0500
                                                                                  Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-12-07 17:31 -0800
                                                                                    Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-12-07 20:43 -0500
                                                                                      Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-12-07 17:48 -0800
                                                                                        Microsoft Linux Distro (was: Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting) vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2024-12-08 01:53 +0000
                                                                                        Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-12-07 20:58 -0500
                                                                                          Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> - 2024-12-09 10:00 -0600
                                                                                        Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> - 2024-12-09 09:59 -0600
                                                                                      Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> - 2024-12-09 09:56 -0600
                                                                                    Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> - 2024-12-09 09:48 -0600
                                                                                  Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> - 2024-12-09 09:38 -0600
                                                                                Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> - 2024-12-09 09:36 -0600
                                                                                  Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-12-09 09:48 -0800
                                                                                    Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-12-09 12:55 -0500
                                                                                      Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-12-09 10:01 -0800
                                                                                        Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-12-09 13:13 -0500
                                                                                          Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-12-09 10:24 -0800
                                                                                            Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2024-12-09 13:56 -0500
                                                                                              Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-12-09 10:57 -0800
                                                                                                Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> - 2024-12-10 08:56 -0600
                                                                                            Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-12-09 14:02 -0500
                                                                                              Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-12-09 11:21 -0800
                                                                                                Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-12-09 14:29 -0500
                                                                                                  Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-12-09 11:33 -0800
                                                                                                    Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> - 2024-12-10 09:02 -0600
                                                                                                    Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Wayne Kerr <waynek@msu.edu> - 2024-12-14 21:50 +0100
                                                                                                      Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-12-14 13:17 -0800
                                                                                                  Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> - 2024-12-10 09:01 -0600
                                                                                                    Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Wayne Kerr <waynek@msu.edu> - 2024-12-14 21:14 +0100
                                                                                                      Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-12-14 13:17 -0800
                                                                                                        Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-12-14 16:21 -0500
                                                                                                          Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-12-14 13:34 -0800
                                                                                                            Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-12-14 17:09 -0500
                                                                                                              Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-12-14 14:25 -0800
                                                                                                                Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-12-14 17:32 -0500
                                                                                                                  Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-12-14 14:41 -0800
                                                                                                                    Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-12-14 17:51 -0500
                                                                                                                      Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-12-14 15:04 -0800
                                                                                                                        Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-12-15 05:56 -0500
                                                                                                                          Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-12-15 09:24 -0800
                                                                                                                            Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-12-15 13:30 -0500
                                                                                                                              Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-12-16 11:38 -0800
                                                                                                                                Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-12-16 15:05 -0500
                                                                                                                                  Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-12-16 12:26 -0800
                                                                                                                                    Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-12-16 15:58 -0500
                                                                                                                                      Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-12-16 13:10 -0800
                                                                                                                                        Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-12-16 18:07 -0500
                                                                                                                                          Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2024-12-16 19:56 -0500
                                                                                                                                            Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-12-17 10:39 -0500
                                                                                                                                              Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-12-17 10:30 -0800
                                                                                                                                          Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-12-17 10:16 -0800
                                                                                                                                            Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-12-17 13:20 -0500
                                                                                                                                              Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-12-17 10:33 -0800
                                                                                                                                                Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-12-17 13:43 -0500
                                                                                                                                                  Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-12-17 10:51 -0800
                                                                                                                                                    Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-12-17 14:52 -0500
                                                                                                                                                      Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-12-17 12:35 -0800
                                                                                                                                                    Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2024-12-17 15:39 -0500
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                                                                                                                            Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2024-12-15 15:42 -0500
                                                                                                                              Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-12-15 15:48 -0500
                                                                                                                                Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2024-12-15 16:47 -0500
                                                                                                                                  Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-12-15 17:01 -0500
                                                                                                                                    Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2024-12-15 22:34 -0500
                                                                                                                                      Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-12-16 10:25 -0500
                                                                                                                                        Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2024-12-16 11:40 -0500
                                                                                                                                          Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-12-16 12:02 -0500
                                                                                                                                            Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2024-12-16 12:50 -0500
                                                                                                                                              Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-12-16 12:54 -0500
                                                                                                                                                Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-12-16 11:08 -0800
                                                                                                                                                  Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-12-16 14:13 -0500
                                                                                                                                                    Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-12-16 11:31 -0800
                                                                                                                                                      Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-12-16 14:36 -0500
                                                                                                                                                        Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-12-16 11:47 -0800
                                                                                                                                                          Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-12-16 15:22 -0500
                                                                                                                                                            Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-12-16 12:37 -0800
                                                                                                                                                              Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-12-16 16:09 -0500
                                                                                                                                                                Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-12-16 13:13 -0800
                                                                                                                                                                  Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-12-16 18:18 -0500
                                                                                                                                                                    Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-12-17 10:25 -0800
                                                                                                                                                                      Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-12-17 13:39 -0500
                                                                                                                                                                        Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-12-17 10:45 -0800
                                                                                                                                                                          Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-12-17 14:50 -0500
                                                                                                                                                                            Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-12-17 12:35 -0800
                                                                                                                                                                              Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2024-12-17 15:45 -0500
                                                                                                                                                                            Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> - 2024-12-25 12:02 -0600
                                                                                                                                                                            Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> - 2024-12-25 12:14 -0600
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                                                                                                                                            Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-12-16 11:13 -0800
                                                                                                                                              Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-12-16 14:35 -0500
                                                                                                                                                Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-12-16 11:45 -0800
                                                                                                                                                  Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-12-16 15:20 -0500
                                                                                                                                                    Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-12-16 12:37 -0800
                                                                                                                                                      Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-12-16 16:10 -0500
                                                                                                                                                        Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-12-16 13:14 -0800
                                                                                                                                                          Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-12-16 18:20 -0500
                                                                                                                                                            Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-12-17 10:25 -0800
                                                                                                                                                              Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-12-17 13:41 -0500
                                                                                                                                                                Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-12-17 10:46 -0800
                                                                                                                                                                  Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-12-17 14:51 -0500
                                                                                                                                                                    Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-12-17 12:36 -0800
                                                                                                                                                                      Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-12-17 16:09 -0500
                                                                                                                                                                        Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2024-12-17 16:34 -0500
                                                                                                                                                                          Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-12-17 19:19 -0500
                                                                                                                                                                            Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-12-17 16:22 -0800
                                                                                                                                                                              Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-12-17 20:26 -0500
                                                                                                                                                                                Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-12-17 18:21 -0800
                                                                                                                                                                                  Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-12-18 09:03 -0500
                                                                                                                                                                                    Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-12-18 09:24 -0800
                                                                                                                                                                                      Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-12-18 13:01 -0500
                                                                                                                                                                                        Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-12-18 10:36 -0800
                                                                                                                                                                                          Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-12-18 14:03 -0500
                                                                                                                                                                                            Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> - 2024-12-25 12:41 -0600
                                                                                                                                                                                          Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting will <willford@yahoo.com> - 2024-12-21 01:50 +0100
                                                                                                                                                                                            Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-12-20 17:01 -0800
                                                                                                                                                                                              Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-12-20 20:19 -0500
                                                                                                                                                                                                Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-12-20 17:42 -0800
                                                                                                                                                                                                  Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-12-20 20:50 -0500
                                                                                                                                                                                                    Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-12-20 17:53 -0800
                                                                                                                                                                                                      Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-12-20 21:57 -0500
                                                                                                                                                                                                        Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-12-20 19:06 -0800
                                                                                                                                                                                                          Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-12-20 22:17 -0500
                                                                                                                                                                                                            Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-12-21 10:10 -0800
                                                                                                                                                                                                              Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-12-21 16:10 -0500
                                                                                                                                                                                                    Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> - 2024-12-25 12:43 -0600
                                                                                                                                                                                                  Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2024-12-20 22:05 -0500
                                                                                                                                                                                                    Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-12-20 22:15 -0500
                                                                                                                                                                                                    Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-12-20 23:31 -0500
                                                                                                                                                                                                      Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2024-12-21 08:44 -0500
                                                                                                                                                                                                      Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-12-21 10:11 -0800
                                                                                                                                                                                                        Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-12-21 16:13 -0500
                                                                                                                                                                                                          Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Din004 <din004@oracle.com> - 2024-12-25 10:44 +0100
                                                                                                                                                                                                            Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2024-12-25 09:26 -0500
                                                                                                                                                                                                            Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-12-25 11:55 -0800
                                                                                                                                                                                                              Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> - 2024-12-26 02:07 +0000
                                                                                                                                                                                                                Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-12-25 23:07 -0800
                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting alex <alex_@pintrest.com> - 2024-12-26 00:44 -0800
                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2024-12-26 09:39 -0500
                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Jon Ball <jon-ball@spectrum.com> - 2024-12-26 22:09 +0100
                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-12-26 13:37 -0800
                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting wasabi <lotso@jollyroger.com> - 2024-12-28 14:33 -0800
                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-12-28 14:36 -0800
                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-12-28 17:43 -0500
                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-12-28 14:47 -0800
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-12-28 17:55 -0500
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-12-28 15:55 -0800
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-12-28 19:00 -0500
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-12-28 16:02 -0800
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-12-28 20:30 -0500
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-12-28 19:02 -0800
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-12-28 22:07 -0500
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-12-28 19:42 -0800
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-12-28 22:48 -0500
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-12-28 19:53 -0800
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-12-28 23:04 -0500
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-12-28 20:07 -0800
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-12-28 23:16 -0500
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-12-28 21:53 -0800
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-12-29 14:09 -0500
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-12-29 11:21 -0800
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-12-29 14:34 -0500
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-12-29 11:37 -0800
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-12-29 14:47 -0500
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-12-29 12:15 -0800
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-12-29 15:22 -0500
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-12-29 12:42 -0800
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-12-29 16:08 -0500
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-12-29 16:40 -0800
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-12-29 19:59 -0500
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-12-29 17:10 -0800
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Jack Sovalot <hee-cawkforme@jack.sovalot> - 2024-12-30 04:09 -0500
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Red Zone <redzone@trump.com> - 2024-12-30 19:45 +0000
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-12-30 14:57 -0500
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-12-30 12:05 -0800
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-12-30 15:27 -0500
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> - 2024-12-30 21:25 +0000
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Nomen Nescio <nobody@dizum.com> - 2024-12-31 00:54 +0100
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> - 2024-12-31 06:38 -0500
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Jack Sovalot <hee-cawkforme@jack.sovalot> - 2024-12-30 16:59 -0500
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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-12-29 12:56 -0800
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-12-29 16:13 -0500
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-12-29 16:42 -0800
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-12-29 20:00 -0500
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-12-29 17:10 -0800
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-12-29 21:46 -0500
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-12-29 18:52 -0800
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-12-29 22:09 -0500
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-12-29 19:22 -0800
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-12-29 22:27 -0500
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-12-29 19:39 -0800
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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting "Petry F." <petry_f@hushmail.com> - 2024-12-29 04:25 +0000
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-12-28 21:54 -0800
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> - 2024-12-30 10:42 -0500
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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> - 2024-12-30 18:23 +0000
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-12-30 10:30 -0800
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-12-30 13:42 -0500
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-12-30 11:23 -0800
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-12-30 14:55 -0500
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-12-30 11:58 -0800
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-12-30 15:25 -0500
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-12-30 15:01 -0800
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-12-30 18:07 -0500
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-12-30 15:19 -0800
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-12-30 18:41 -0500
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-12-30 15:43 -0800
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> - 2024-12-31 06:30 -0500
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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> - 2024-12-31 06:27 -0500
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-12-30 12:04 -0800
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-12-30 15:26 -0500
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-12-30 15:13 -0800
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-12-30 18:23 -0500
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-12-30 15:40 -0800
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-12-30 19:14 -0500
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-12-30 23:04 -0800
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-12-31 11:52 -0500
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Byrd <byrd@someoem.com> - 2025-01-02 03:02 +0100
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-01-01 21:08 -0500
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-01-01 18:44 -0800
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-01-01 22:01 -0500
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-01-01 22:12 -0500
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Rudy Ball <rudyball@gmx.com> - 2025-01-03 19:02 +0000
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-01-03 11:20 -0800
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-01-03 15:19 -0500
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-01-03 14:54 -0800
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-01-03 18:40 -0500
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-01-03 16:18 -0800
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-01-03 19:28 -0500
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-01-03 17:11 -0800
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-01-03 20:24 -0500
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-01-03 17:40 -0800
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-01-03 20:59 -0500
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-01-03 19:39 -0800
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-01-05 14:29 -0500
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-01-05 12:36 -0800
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-01-05 20:53 -0500
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-01-05 18:19 -0800
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-01-05 21:29 -0500
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-01-05 18:32 -0800
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-01-05 21:47 -0500
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-01-05 19:03 -0800
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-01-05 22:14 -0500
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-01-05 19:39 -0800
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-01-05 22:50 -0500
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-01-05 23:32 -0800
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> - 2025-01-06 08:11 -0500
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Clint <clintb@infiniti.net> - 2025-01-13 00:36 -0800
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-01-13 09:16 -0800
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> - 2025-01-06 08:11 -0500
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Rudy Johnson <rudyj@google.com> - 2025-01-21 14:06 -0800
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-01-21 14:18 -0800
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Sadler <sadler@msn.com> - 2025-01-26 06:28 +0000
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Rudy Canoza <rudy@phil.hendrie.con> - 2025-01-22 03:46 -0500
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> - 2025-01-06 08:10 -0500
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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting AlphaHeater <AlphaHeater21@6959.concepte.store> - 2025-01-06 02:50 +0000
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> - 2025-01-06 08:07 -0500
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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2025-01-01 07:31 -0500
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> - 2024-12-28 21:50 -0500
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Nomen Nescio <nobody@dizum.com> - 2024-12-29 01:30 +0100
                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> - 2024-12-28 21:49 -0500
                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting wasabi <lotso@jollyroger.com> - 2024-12-28 15:57 -0800
                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-12-28 16:03 -0800
                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-12-26 08:39 -0800
                                                                                                                                                                                                            Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-12-25 19:24 -0500
                                                                                                                                                                                                              Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> - 2024-12-26 11:05 -0600
                                                                                                                                                                                                    Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting ND beat Indy <choke@choke.choke> - 2024-12-20 21:37 -0800
                                                                                                                                                                                                      Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2024-12-21 09:35 -0500
                                                                                                                                                                                            Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-12-20 20:17 -0500
                                                                                                                                                                                              Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-12-20 17:18 -0800
                                                                                                                                                                                                Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-12-20 20:30 -0500
                                                                                                                                                                                            Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> - 2024-12-25 12:41 -0600
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                                                                                                                                                                                      Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Gary M. Stewart <flatfish@linuxmail.org> - 2024-12-25 21:48 +0100
                                                                                                                                                                                  Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> - 2024-12-25 12:36 -0600
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                                                                                                                                                                        Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-12-17 14:06 -0800
                                                                                                                                                                      Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> - 2024-12-25 12:29 -0600
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                                                                                                                                    Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-12-16 11:42 -0800
                                                                                                                                      Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-12-16 15:16 -0500
                                                                                                                                        Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-12-16 12:33 -0800
                                                                                                                                          Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-12-16 16:04 -0500
                                                                                                                                            Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-12-16 13:13 -0800
                                                                                                                                              Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-12-16 18:18 -0500
                                                                                                                                                Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-12-17 10:20 -0800
                                                                                                                                            Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2024-12-16 16:29 -0500
                                                                                                                                              Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-12-16 17:53 -0500
                                                                                                                                                Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2024-12-16 19:51 -0500
                                                                                                                                                  Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-12-17 10:38 -0500
                                                                                                                                                  Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-12-17 10:29 -0800
                                                                                                                                                Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-12-17 10:18 -0800
                                                                                                                                                  Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-12-17 13:23 -0500
                                                                                                                                                    Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-12-17 10:31 -0800
                                                                                                                                                    Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> - 2024-12-25 13:20 -0600
                                                                                                                                                Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> - 2024-12-25 13:15 -0600
                                                                                                                                        Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> - 2024-12-25 13:14 -0600
                                                                                                                                Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-12-16 11:40 -0800
                                                                                                                                  Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-12-16 15:08 -0500
                                                                                                                                    Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-12-16 12:29 -0800
                                                                                                                                      Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-12-16 16:01 -0500
                                                                                                                                        Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-12-16 13:30 -0800
                                                                                                                                          Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-12-16 18:24 -0500
                                                                                                                                            Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2024-12-16 21:11 -0500
                                                                                                                                            Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-12-17 10:28 -0800
                                                                                                                                          Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> - 2024-12-25 13:11 -0600
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                                                                                                                          Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting hank <none@invalid.org> - 2024-12-16 00:02 +0100
                                                                                                                            Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-12-16 09:06 -0800
                                                                                                          Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2024-12-14 18:21 -0500
                                                                                                            Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting hank <none@invalid.org> - 2024-12-15 23:06 +0100
                                                                                                              Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-12-15 15:41 -0800
                                                                                                                Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Duc Nguyen <dnguyen@somecorp.org> - 2024-12-15 19:10 -0800
                                                                                                                  Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2024-12-15 22:50 -0500
                                                                                                                  Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-12-15 22:42 -0800
                                                                                                              Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2024-12-15 22:35 -0500
                                                                                            Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> - 2024-12-10 08:56 -0600
                                                                                          Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> - 2024-12-10 08:51 -0600
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                                                                        Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2024-12-07 23:59 +0000
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                                                                      Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Rudy Canoza <rc@thejollykone.con> - 2024-12-08 04:06 -0500
                                                                        Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> - 2024-12-09 10:02 -0600
                                                                      Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting T. Walz <tampons4sale@dont-email.me> - 2024-12-08 12:41 +0100
                                                                      Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> - 2024-12-09 09:29 -0600
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                                                                  Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2024-12-09 13:46 -0500
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                        Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> - 2024-11-25 15:31 -0600
                    Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> - 2024-11-25 15:31 -0600
                Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2024-11-24 22:41 -0500
                  Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-11-24 23:13 -0500
                    Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-11-24 23:47 -0800
                    Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2024-11-25 06:59 -0500
                      Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-11-25 07:44 -0500
                        Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2024-11-25 08:18 -0500
                          Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-11-25 08:35 -0500
                            Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2024-11-25 08:58 -0500
                              Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-11-25 09:09 -0500
                                Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2024-11-25 10:40 -0500
                                  Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-11-26 08:35 -0500
                                    Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2024-11-26 09:59 -0500
                                      Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-11-26 10:44 -0500
                                        Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> - 2024-11-27 10:48 -0600
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                        Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-11-26 16:16 -0800
                          Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-11-26 19:46 -0500
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#145242

FromJoel <joelcrump@gmail.com>
Date2024-12-16 12:02 -0500
Message-ID<l4n0mj99fi3rkt3j65rtu7ml9oie2am4h1@4ax.com>
In reply to#145241
-hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> wrote:

>>>>> Likewise, we've also seen how a Mac mini stops the living shit out of
>>>>> your i5 DIY, while costing less than the $1150 you've spent to date. So
>>>>> just where is this so-called 'fortune' that people allegedly pay?
>>>>
>>>> The Mac mini is OK, I wouldn't say it "stops the living shit out of"
>>>> my machine.  It runs Apple's goofy OS, in any event.
>>>
>>> *stomp   Apologies for a typo.
>>>
>>> We've already seen the CPU benchmarks and disk I/O.  If not "stomp",
>>> then how do you want to describe being higher at a lower price?
>>> Especially since there's no OS monopoly anymore either:
>>>
>>> <https://asahilinux.org/about/>
>> 
>> A Mac mini purchased when I built my machine wouldn't be any faster
>> than what I have.
>
>The 2020 mini model would have been cheaper.
>The current mini model is faster & cheaper.


A Mac mini wouldn't have the specs that I have.


>>>> If I had spent a comparable amount on a comparable OEM PC, it'd not be
>>>> nearly as good.  That's undeniable.
>>>
>>> Except of course for how its already been shown that you could have
>>> bought your so-called "overpriced" Apple gear for less & gotten more...
>>>
>>> ...and your retort is that the OEM OS is "goofy", even though Linux is
>>> an alternative.
>> 
>> I see Linux as the default OS, actually, it's M$ and Apple that are
>> proprietary, commercial platforms, consumerism, not real computing
>> enthusiasm.
>
>Yet that didn't stop you from buying & running on Windows OS for the 
>first ~2/3rds of the life of your current PC.


I needed Win10/11 at first, and enjoyed using them, but I moved on. It
was worth it.  I got my use out of it, but it outgrew my hardware, as
M$ crapware tends to do, so I got out, I installed Linux.  All is
well.

-- 
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent.  States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.

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#145244

From-hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com>
Date2024-12-16 12:50 -0500
Message-ID<vjpp89$16vl2$2@dont-email.me>
In reply to#145242
On 12/16/24 12:02 PM, Joel wrote:
> -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> wrote:
> 
>>>>>> Likewise, we've also seen how a Mac mini stops the living shit out of
>>>>>> your i5 DIY, while costing less than the $1150 you've spent to date. So
>>>>>> just where is this so-called 'fortune' that people allegedly pay?
>>>>>
>>>>> The Mac mini is OK, I wouldn't say it "stops the living shit out of"
>>>>> my machine.  It runs Apple's goofy OS, in any event.
>>>>
>>>> *stomp   Apologies for a typo.
>>>>
>>>> We've already seen the CPU benchmarks and disk I/O.  If not "stomp",
>>>> then how do you want to describe being higher at a lower price?
>>>> Especially since there's no OS monopoly anymore either:
>>>>
>>>> <https://asahilinux.org/about/>
>>>
>>> A Mac mini purchased when I built my machine wouldn't be any faster
>>> than what I have.
>>
>> The 2020 mini model would have been cheaper.
>> The current mini model is faster & cheaper.
> 
> 
> A Mac mini wouldn't have the specs that I have.

That you have ... or that you need?

Case in point, you were asked awhile back about how much disk space your 
PC took up when you first bought it, and how much it is taking up today.

Needless to say, you avoided ever providing an answer, but we do know 
indirectly that your storage growth needs are less than 300GB/year.



>>>>> If I had spent a comparable amount on a comparable OEM PC, it'd not be
>>>>> nearly as good.  That's undeniable.
>>>>
>>>> Except of course for how its already been shown that you could have
>>>> bought your so-called "overpriced" Apple gear for less & gotten more...
>>>>
>>>> ...and your retort is that the OEM OS is "goofy", even though Linux is
>>>> an alternative.
>>>
>>> I see Linux as the default OS, actually, it's M$ and Apple that are
>>> proprietary, commercial platforms, consumerism, not real computing
>>> enthusiasm.
>>
>> Yet that didn't stop you from buying & running on Windows OS for the
>> first ~2/3rds of the life of your current PC.
> 
> 
> I needed Win10/11 at first, and enjoyed using them, but I moved on. It
> was worth it.  I got my use out of it, but it outgrew my hardware, as
> M$ crapware tends to do, so I got out, I installed Linux.  All is
> well.

Where this "it outgrew" claim lacks objective metrics to substantiate.

In the meantime, I've been doing fine with Windows OS for the past few 
years running within just a 40GB partition.


-hh

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#145246

FromJoel <joelcrump@gmail.com>
Date2024-12-16 12:54 -0500
Message-ID<v7q0mjlunfj3cq85se1bn5k3iacpcr2fqr@4ax.com>
In reply to#145244
-hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> wrote:

>> A Mac mini wouldn't have the specs that I have.
>
>That you have ... or that you need?
>
>Case in point, you were asked awhile back about how much disk space your 
>PC took up when you first bought it, and how much it is taking up today.
>
>Needless to say, you avoided ever providing an answer, but we do know 
>indirectly that your storage growth needs are less than 300GB/year.


I'll never use up the 1 TB, that's kind of the point.  The drive could
last many years.  You want to have extra storage.


>> I needed Win10/11 at first, and enjoyed using them, but I moved on. It
>> was worth it.  I got my use out of it, but it outgrew my hardware, as
>> M$ crapware tends to do, so I got out, I installed Linux.  All is
>> well.
>
>Where this "it outgrew" claim lacks objective metrics to substantiate.
>
>In the meantime, I've been doing fine with Windows OS for the past few 
>years running within just a 40GB partition.


It still ran, it just sucked, compared to how it was in earlier
periods.  Linux is a refuge from M$.

-- 
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent.  States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.

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#145249

FromAlan <nuh-uh@nope.com>
Date2024-12-16 11:08 -0800
Message-ID<vjptqj$18qqj$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#145246
On 2024-12-16 09:54, Joel wrote:
> -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> wrote:
> 
>>> A Mac mini wouldn't have the specs that I have.
>>
>> That you have ... or that you need?
>>
>> Case in point, you were asked awhile back about how much disk space your
>> PC took up when you first bought it, and how much it is taking up today.
>>
>> Needless to say, you avoided ever providing an answer, but we do know
>> indirectly that your storage growth needs are less than 300GB/year.
> 
> 
> I'll never use up the 1 TB, that's kind of the point.  The drive could
> last many years.  You want to have extra storage.

And if you have a desktop, then that storage can just as easily and 
effectively be an external drive.>

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#145250

FromJoel <joelcrump@gmail.com>
Date2024-12-16 14:13 -0500
Message-ID<5su0mj5b77eoots2gmdasrbgcngcl0adif@4ax.com>
In reply to#145249
Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:

>> I'll never use up the 1 TB [NVMe SSD], that's kind of the point.  The drive could
>> last many years.  You want to have extra storage.
>
>And if you have a desktop, then that storage can just as easily and 
>effectively be an external drive.>


But then you have this dangling external device.  I like to have it
inside the case.

-- 
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent.  States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.

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#145252

FromAlan <nuh-uh@nope.com>
Date2024-12-16 11:31 -0800
Message-ID<vjpv6s$18qqi$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#145250
On 2024-12-16 11:13, Joel wrote:
> Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
> 
>>> I'll never use up the 1 TB [NVMe SSD], that's kind of the point.  The drive could
>>> last many years.  You want to have extra storage.
>>
>> And if you have a desktop, then that storage can just as easily and
>> effectively be an external drive.>
> 
> 
> But then you have this dangling external device.  I like to have it
> inside the case.
"dangling"?

That's a very odd way to phrase it.

Having it inside the case is important if you have a laptop, but given 
the size of external drives these days, almost completely irrelevant if 
you have a desktop computer.

Does it bother you that your monitor is "dangling"?

Or your keyboard?

:-)

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#145254

FromJoel <joelcrump@gmail.com>
Date2024-12-16 14:36 -0500
Message-ID<n801mjpgupdks5upgv9f1ho9155vv10f4m@4ax.com>
In reply to#145252
Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:

>>>> I'll never use up the 1 TB [NVMe SSD], that's kind of the point.  The drive could
>>>> last many years.  You want to have extra storage.
>>>
>>> And if you have a desktop, then that storage can just as easily and
>>> effectively be an external drive.>
>> 
>> But then you have this dangling external device.  I like to have it
>> inside the case.
>"dangling"?
>
>That's a very odd way to phrase it.
>
>Having it inside the case is important if you have a laptop, but given 
>the size of external drives these days, almost completely irrelevant if 
>you have a desktop computer.
>
>Does it bother you that your monitor is "dangling"?
>
>Or your keyboard?
>
>:-)


They aren't dangling, they're supposed to be where they are, an
external storage drive that just sits there plugged in, in constant
use, is dangling.

-- 
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent.  States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.

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#145260

FromAlan <nuh-uh@nope.com>
Date2024-12-16 11:47 -0800
Message-ID<vjq05e$18qqi$7@dont-email.me>
In reply to#145254
On 2024-12-16 11:36, Joel wrote:
> Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
> 
>>>>> I'll never use up the 1 TB [NVMe SSD], that's kind of the point.  The drive could
>>>>> last many years.  You want to have extra storage.
>>>>
>>>> And if you have a desktop, then that storage can just as easily and
>>>> effectively be an external drive.>
>>>
>>> But then you have this dangling external device.  I like to have it
>>> inside the case.
>> "dangling"?
>>
>> That's a very odd way to phrase it.
>>
>> Having it inside the case is important if you have a laptop, but given
>> the size of external drives these days, almost completely irrelevant if
>> you have a desktop computer.
>>
>> Does it bother you that your monitor is "dangling"?
>>
>> Or your keyboard?
>>
>> :-)
> 
> 
> They aren't dangling, they're supposed to be where they are, an
> external storage drive that just sits there plugged in, in constant
> use, is dangling.
Why is that different?

You're USED TO an external monitor and keyboard, but an external drive 
is no different.

On some computers (which would have cost you less) you can buy drives 
that perfectly sit under the desktop:

<https://www.amazon.ca/Enclosure-Docking-Station-Readers-Compatible/dp/B0C33HS3RP/ref=asc_df_B0C33HS3RP/?tag=googleshopc0c-20&linkCode=df0&hvadid=708007226763&hvpos=&hvnetw=g&hvrand=13265770567124847550&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvqmt=&hvdev=c&hvdvcmdl=&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=9001547&hvtargid=pla-2190493457657&psc=1&mcid=5f9e3a8965ea37bc89aca8270bb63779&gad_source=1>

<https://ca.macsales.com/shop/external-drives/owc-ministack>

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#145267

FromJoel <joelcrump@gmail.com>
Date2024-12-16 15:22 -0500
Message-ID<ot21mjlsp08b9gvdv3fmkcco7k1fi3od70@4ax.com>
In reply to#145260
Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:

>>>>>> I'll never use up the 1 TB [NVMe SSD], that's kind of the point.  The drive could
>>>>>> last many years.  You want to have extra storage.
>>>>>
>>>>> And if you have a desktop, then that storage can just as easily and
>>>>> effectively be an external drive.>
>>>>
>>>> But then you have this dangling external device.  I like to have it
>>>> inside the case.
>>> "dangling"?
>>>
>>> That's a very odd way to phrase it.
>>>
>>> Having it inside the case is important if you have a laptop, but given
>>> the size of external drives these days, almost completely irrelevant if
>>> you have a desktop computer.
>>>
>>> Does it bother you that your monitor is "dangling"?
>>>
>>> Or your keyboard?
>>>
>>> :-)
>> 
>> They aren't dangling, they're supposed to be where they are, an
>> external storage drive that just sits there plugged in, in constant
>> use, is dangling.
>Why is that different?
>
>You're USED TO an external monitor and keyboard, but an external drive 
>is no different.


How in God's name would a monitor or keyboard not be external?


>On some computers (which would have cost you less) you can buy drives 
>that perfectly sit under the desktop:
>
><https://www.amazon.ca/Enclosure-Docking-Station-Readers-Compatible/dp/B0C33HS3RP/ref=asc_df_B0C33HS3RP/?tag=googleshopc0c-20&linkCode=df0&hvadid=708007226763&hvpos=&hvnetw=g&hvrand=13265770567124847550&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvqmt=&hvdev=c&hvdvcmdl=&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=9001547&hvtargid=pla-2190493457657&psc=1&mcid=5f9e3a8965ea37bc89aca8270bb63779&gad_source=1>
>
><https://ca.macsales.com/shop/external-drives/owc-ministack>


Super neato, but my motherboard can already handle another NVMe or
two.

-- 
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent.  States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.

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#145272

FromAlan <nuh-uh@nope.com>
Date2024-12-16 12:37 -0800
Message-ID<vjq31u$18qqi$8@dont-email.me>
In reply to#145267
On 2024-12-16 12:22, Joel wrote:
> Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
> 
>>>>>>> I'll never use up the 1 TB [NVMe SSD], that's kind of the point.  The drive could
>>>>>>> last many years.  You want to have extra storage.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> And if you have a desktop, then that storage can just as easily and
>>>>>> effectively be an external drive.>
>>>>>
>>>>> But then you have this dangling external device.  I like to have it
>>>>> inside the case.
>>>> "dangling"?
>>>>
>>>> That's a very odd way to phrase it.
>>>>
>>>> Having it inside the case is important if you have a laptop, but given
>>>> the size of external drives these days, almost completely irrelevant if
>>>> you have a desktop computer.
>>>>
>>>> Does it bother you that your monitor is "dangling"?
>>>>
>>>> Or your keyboard?
>>>>
>>>> :-)
>>>
>>> They aren't dangling, they're supposed to be where they are, an
>>> external storage drive that just sits there plugged in, in constant
>>> use, is dangling.
>> Why is that different?
>>
>> You're USED TO an external monitor and keyboard, but an external drive
>> is no different.
> 
> 
> How in God's name would a monitor or keyboard not be external?

You're kidding.

You are NOT this dumb. No one could possibly be this clueless?

How could a monitor no be internal? Really?

<https://www.apple.com/imac/>

<https://www.dell.com/en-ca/shop/desktop-computers/scr/desktops/appref=all-in-one-form-factor>

<https://www.hp.com/ca-en/shop/list.aspx?sel=DTP&ctrl=f&fc_form_aio=1>

I could go on, but could you really look any dumber? I don't think so.

As for the keyboard, I was being a tiny bit facetious, but you are 
literally reading words I type on the built-in keyboard...

...of my LAPTOP.

> 
> 
>> On some computers (which would have cost you less) you can buy drives
>> that perfectly sit under the desktop:
>>
>> <https://www.amazon.ca/Enclosure-Docking-Station-Readers-Compatible/dp/B0C33HS3RP/ref=asc_df_B0C33HS3RP/?tag=googleshopc0c-20&linkCode=df0&hvadid=708007226763&hvpos=&hvnetw=g&hvrand=13265770567124847550&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvqmt=&hvdev=c&hvdvcmdl=&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=9001547&hvtargid=pla-2190493457657&psc=1&mcid=5f9e3a8965ea37bc89aca8270bb63779&gad_source=1>
>>
>> <https://ca.macsales.com/shop/external-drives/owc-ministack>
> 
> 
> Super neato, but my motherboard can already handle another NVMe or
> two.
Which is better in what measurable way?

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#145279

FromJoel <joelcrump@gmail.com>
Date2024-12-16 16:09 -0500
Message-ID<tl51mjpo2jdo8fs1h27v2315bbenoqo4bm@4ax.com>
In reply to#145272
Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:

>>>>> Does it bother you that your monitor is "dangling"?
>>>>>
>>>>> Or your keyboard?
>>>>>
>>>>> :-)
>>>>
>>>> They aren't dangling, they're supposed to be where they are, an
>>>> external storage drive that just sits there plugged in, in constant
>>>> use, is dangling.
>>> Why is that different?
>>>
>>> You're USED TO an external monitor and keyboard, but an external drive
>>> is no different.
>> 
>> How in God's name would a monitor or keyboard not be external?
>
>You're kidding.
>
>You are NOT this dumb. No one could possibly be this clueless?
>
>How could a monitor no be internal? Really?
>
><https://www.apple.com/imac/>
>
><https://www.dell.com/en-ca/shop/desktop-computers/scr/desktops/appref=all-in-one-form-factor>
>
><https://www.hp.com/ca-en/shop/list.aspx?sel=DTP&ctrl=f&fc_form_aio=1>
>
>I could go on, but could you really look any dumber? I don't think so.
>
>As for the keyboard, I was being a tiny bit facetious, but you are 
>literally reading words I type on the built-in keyboard...
>
>...of my LAPTOP.


These are not internal things in this context.


>>> On some computers (which would have cost you less) you can buy drives
>>> that perfectly sit under the desktop:
>>>
>>> <https://www.amazon.ca/Enclosure-Docking-Station-Readers-Compatible/dp/B0C33HS3RP/ref=asc_df_B0C33HS3RP/?tag=googleshopc0c-20&linkCode=df0&hvadid=708007226763&hvpos=&hvnetw=g&hvrand=13265770567124847550&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvqmt=&hvdev=c&hvdvcmdl=&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=9001547&hvtargid=pla-2190493457657&psc=1&mcid=5f9e3a8965ea37bc89aca8270bb63779&gad_source=1>
>>>
>>> <https://ca.macsales.com/shop/external-drives/owc-ministack>
>> 
>> Super neato, but my motherboard can already handle another NVMe or
>> two.
>Which is better in what measurable way?


It's elegant.

-- 
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent.  States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.

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#145284

FromAlan <nuh-uh@nope.com>
Date2024-12-16 13:13 -0800
Message-ID<vjq56e$1a7i3$3@dont-email.me>
In reply to#145279
On 2024-12-16 13:09, Joel wrote:
> Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
> 
>>>>>> Does it bother you that your monitor is "dangling"?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Or your keyboard?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> :-)
>>>>>
>>>>> They aren't dangling, they're supposed to be where they are, an
>>>>> external storage drive that just sits there plugged in, in constant
>>>>> use, is dangling.
>>>> Why is that different?
>>>>
>>>> You're USED TO an external monitor and keyboard, but an external drive
>>>> is no different.
>>>
>>> How in God's name would a monitor or keyboard not be external?
>>
>> You're kidding.
>>
>> You are NOT this dumb. No one could possibly be this clueless?
>>
>> How could a monitor no be internal? Really?
>>
>> <https://www.apple.com/imac/>
>>
>> <https://www.dell.com/en-ca/shop/desktop-computers/scr/desktops/appref=all-in-one-form-factor>
>>
>> <https://www.hp.com/ca-en/shop/list.aspx?sel=DTP&ctrl=f&fc_form_aio=1>
>>
>> I could go on, but could you really look any dumber? I don't think so.
>>
>> As for the keyboard, I was being a tiny bit facetious, but you are
>> literally reading words I type on the built-in keyboard...
>>
>> ...of my LAPTOP.
> 
> 
> These are not internal things in this context.

The monitor most certainly is.

> 
> 
>>>> On some computers (which would have cost you less) you can buy drives
>>>> that perfectly sit under the desktop:
>>>>
>>>> <https://www.amazon.ca/Enclosure-Docking-Station-Readers-Compatible/dp/B0C33HS3RP/ref=asc_df_B0C33HS3RP/?tag=googleshopc0c-20&linkCode=df0&hvadid=708007226763&hvpos=&hvnetw=g&hvrand=13265770567124847550&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvqmt=&hvdev=c&hvdvcmdl=&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=9001547&hvtargid=pla-2190493457657&psc=1&mcid=5f9e3a8965ea37bc89aca8270bb63779&gad_source=1>
>>>>
>>>> <https://ca.macsales.com/shop/external-drives/owc-ministack>
>>>
>>> Super neato, but my motherboard can already handle another NVMe or
>>> two.
>> Which is better in what measurable way?
> 
> 
> It's elegant.
Why? What makes it more "elegant"?

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#145295

FromJoel <joelcrump@gmail.com>
Date2024-12-16 18:18 -0500
Message-ID<7ad1mjpg7soir0h4qs5142o3ujmvcj7k3c@4ax.com>
In reply to#145284
Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:

>>>>> On some computers (which would have cost you less) you can buy drives
>>>>> that perfectly sit under the desktop:
>>>>>
>>>>> <https://www.amazon.ca/Enclosure-Docking-Station-Readers-Compatible/dp/B0C33HS3RP/ref=asc_df_B0C33HS3RP/?tag=googleshopc0c-20&linkCode=df0&hvadid=708007226763&hvpos=&hvnetw=g&hvrand=13265770567124847550&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvqmt=&hvdev=c&hvdvcmdl=&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=9001547&hvtargid=pla-2190493457657&psc=1&mcid=5f9e3a8965ea37bc89aca8270bb63779&gad_source=1>
>>>>>
>>>>> <https://ca.macsales.com/shop/external-drives/owc-ministack>
>>>>
>>>> Super neato, but my motherboard can already handle another NVMe or
>>>> two.
>>> Which is better in what measurable way?
>> 
>> It's elegant.
>Why? What makes it more "elegant"?


It's just a piece of the computer, once installed.  No wire.

-- 
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent.  States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.

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#145331

FromAlan <nuh-uh@nope.com>
Date2024-12-17 10:25 -0800
Message-ID<vjsfmc$1rknv$3@dont-email.me>
In reply to#145295
On 2024-12-16 15:18, Joel wrote:
> Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
> 
>>>>>> On some computers (which would have cost you less) you can buy drives
>>>>>> that perfectly sit under the desktop:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> <https://www.amazon.ca/Enclosure-Docking-Station-Readers-Compatible/dp/B0C33HS3RP/ref=asc_df_B0C33HS3RP/?tag=googleshopc0c-20&linkCode=df0&hvadid=708007226763&hvpos=&hvnetw=g&hvrand=13265770567124847550&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvqmt=&hvdev=c&hvdvcmdl=&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=9001547&hvtargid=pla-2190493457657&psc=1&mcid=5f9e3a8965ea37bc89aca8270bb63779&gad_source=1>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> <https://ca.macsales.com/shop/external-drives/owc-ministack>
>>>>>
>>>>> Super neato, but my motherboard can already handle another NVMe or
>>>>> two.
>>>> Which is better in what measurable way?
>>>
>>> It's elegant.
>> Why? What makes it more "elegant"?
> 
> 
> It's just a piece of the computer, once installed.  No wire.
So by that argument, an all-in-one is more "elegant" than having an 
external monitor?

This looks pretty "elegant" to me:

<https://www.owc.com/solutions/ministack-stx>

Or this:

<https://satechi.net/landing/new-stand-and-hub-m4-mac-mini>

Remember: Thunderbolt literally IS PCIe...

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#145338

FromJoel <joelcrump@gmail.com>
Date2024-12-17 13:39 -0500
Message-ID<i9h3mj5ipsq85ck347ub88q7k8u3r7chld@4ax.com>
In reply to#145331
Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:

>>>>>>> On some computers (which would have cost you less) you can buy drives
>>>>>>> that perfectly sit under the desktop:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> <https://www.amazon.ca/Enclosure-Docking-Station-Readers-Compatible/dp/B0C33HS3RP/ref=asc_df_B0C33HS3RP/?tag=googleshopc0c-20&linkCode=df0&hvadid=708007226763&hvpos=&hvnetw=g&hvrand=13265770567124847550&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvqmt=&hvdev=c&hvdvcmdl=&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=9001547&hvtargid=pla-2190493457657&psc=1&mcid=5f9e3a8965ea37bc89aca8270bb63779&gad_source=1>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> <https://ca.macsales.com/shop/external-drives/owc-ministack>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Super neato, but my motherboard can already handle another NVMe or
>>>>>> two.
>>>>> Which is better in what measurable way?
>>>>
>>>> It's elegant.
>>> Why? What makes it more "elegant"?
>> 
>> It's just a piece of the computer, once installed.  No wire.
>So by that argument, an all-in-one is more "elegant" than having an 
>external monitor?


No.


>This looks pretty "elegant" to me:
>
><https://www.owc.com/solutions/ministack-stx>
>
>Or this:
>
><https://satechi.net/landing/new-stand-and-hub-m4-mac-mini>
>
>Remember: Thunderbolt literally IS PCIe...


OK, but why not just have a real case, a real motherboard?  Why the
quirks?

-- 
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent.  States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.

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#145341

FromAlan <nuh-uh@nope.com>
Date2024-12-17 10:45 -0800
Message-ID<vjsgsl$1rknv$9@dont-email.me>
In reply to#145338
On 2024-12-17 10:39, Joel wrote:
> Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
> 
>>>>>>>> On some computers (which would have cost you less) you can buy drives
>>>>>>>> that perfectly sit under the desktop:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> <https://www.amazon.ca/Enclosure-Docking-Station-Readers-Compatible/dp/B0C33HS3RP/ref=asc_df_B0C33HS3RP/?tag=googleshopc0c-20&linkCode=df0&hvadid=708007226763&hvpos=&hvnetw=g&hvrand=13265770567124847550&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvqmt=&hvdev=c&hvdvcmdl=&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=9001547&hvtargid=pla-2190493457657&psc=1&mcid=5f9e3a8965ea37bc89aca8270bb63779&gad_source=1>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> <https://ca.macsales.com/shop/external-drives/owc-ministack>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Super neato, but my motherboard can already handle another NVMe or
>>>>>>> two.
>>>>>> Which is better in what measurable way?
>>>>>
>>>>> It's elegant.
>>>> Why? What makes it more "elegant"?
>>>
>>> It's just a piece of the computer, once installed.  No wire.
>> So by that argument, an all-in-one is more "elegant" than having an
>> external monitor?
> 
> 
> No.

But you just defined elegance by lack of wires...

> 
> 
>> This looks pretty "elegant" to me:
>>
>> <https://www.owc.com/solutions/ministack-stx>
>>
>> Or this:
>>
>> <https://satechi.net/landing/new-stand-and-hub-m4-mac-mini>
>>
>> Remember: Thunderbolt literally IS PCIe...
> 
> 
> OK, but why not just have a real case, a real motherboard?  Why the
> quirks?
What makes one more "real" than the other?

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#145344

FromJoel <joelcrump@gmail.com>
Date2024-12-17 14:50 -0500
Message-ID<cdl3mjhqf9ia6tcb5ca0l23t9l8ee7n5r7@4ax.com>
In reply to#145341
Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:

>>>>>>>>> On some computers (which would have cost you less) you can buy drives
>>>>>>>>> that perfectly sit under the desktop:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> <https://www.amazon.ca/Enclosure-Docking-Station-Readers-Compatible/dp/B0C33HS3RP/ref=asc_df_B0C33HS3RP/?tag=googleshopc0c-20&linkCode=df0&hvadid=708007226763&hvpos=&hvnetw=g&hvrand=13265770567124847550&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvqmt=&hvdev=c&hvdvcmdl=&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=9001547&hvtargid=pla-2190493457657&psc=1&mcid=5f9e3a8965ea37bc89aca8270bb63779&gad_source=1>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> <https://ca.macsales.com/shop/external-drives/owc-ministack>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Super neato, but my motherboard can already handle another NVMe or
>>>>>>>> two.
>>>>>>> Which is better in what measurable way?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It's elegant.
>>>>> Why? What makes it more "elegant"?
>>>>
>>>> It's just a piece of the computer, once installed.  No wire.
>>> So by that argument, an all-in-one is more "elegant" than having an
>>> external monitor?
>> 
>> No.
>
>But you just defined elegance by lack of wires...


But not by marrying different components to each other, creating a
fragile system.


>>> This looks pretty "elegant" to me:
>>>
>>> <https://www.owc.com/solutions/ministack-stx>
>>>
>>> Or this:
>>>
>>> <https://satechi.net/landing/new-stand-and-hub-m4-mac-mini>
>>>
>>> Remember: Thunderbolt literally IS PCIe...
>> 
>> OK, but why not just have a real case, a real motherboard?  Why the
>> quirks?
>What makes one more "real" than the other?


Expandability.

-- 
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent.  States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.

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#145348

FromAlan <nuh-uh@nope.com>
Date2024-12-17 12:35 -0800
Message-ID<vjsnb5$1t8je$2@dont-email.me>
In reply to#145344
On 2024-12-17 11:50, Joel wrote:
> Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
> 
>>>>>>>>>> On some computers (which would have cost you less) you can buy drives
>>>>>>>>>> that perfectly sit under the desktop:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> <https://www.amazon.ca/Enclosure-Docking-Station-Readers-Compatible/dp/B0C33HS3RP/ref=asc_df_B0C33HS3RP/?tag=googleshopc0c-20&linkCode=df0&hvadid=708007226763&hvpos=&hvnetw=g&hvrand=13265770567124847550&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvqmt=&hvdev=c&hvdvcmdl=&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=9001547&hvtargid=pla-2190493457657&psc=1&mcid=5f9e3a8965ea37bc89aca8270bb63779&gad_source=1>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> <https://ca.macsales.com/shop/external-drives/owc-ministack>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Super neato, but my motherboard can already handle another NVMe or
>>>>>>>>> two.
>>>>>>>> Which is better in what measurable way?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It's elegant.
>>>>>> Why? What makes it more "elegant"?
>>>>>
>>>>> It's just a piece of the computer, once installed.  No wire.
>>>> So by that argument, an all-in-one is more "elegant" than having an
>>>> external monitor?
>>>
>>> No.
>>
>> But you just defined elegance by lack of wires...
> 
> 
> But not by marrying different components to each other, creating a
> fragile system.

So then an external monitor is "fragile"?

> 
> 
>>>> This looks pretty "elegant" to me:
>>>>
>>>> <https://www.owc.com/solutions/ministack-stx>
>>>>
>>>> Or this:
>>>>
>>>> <https://satechi.net/landing/new-stand-and-hub-m4-mac-mini>
>>>>
>>>> Remember: Thunderbolt literally IS PCIe...
>>>
>>> OK, but why not just have a real case, a real motherboard?  Why the
>>> quirks?
>> What makes one more "real" than the other?
> 
> 
> Expandability.
Which I've already addressed.

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#145351

From-hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com>
Date2024-12-17 15:45 -0500
Message-ID<vjsnu6$1t6l6$2@dont-email.me>
In reply to#145348
On 12/17/24 3:35 PM, Alan wrote:
> On 2024-12-17 11:50, Joel wrote:
>> Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On some computers (which would have cost you less) you can 
>>>>>>>>>>> buy drives
>>>>>>>>>>> that perfectly sit under the desktop:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> <https://www.amazon.ca/Enclosure-Docking-Station-Readers- 
>>>>>>>>>>> Compatible/dp/B0C33HS3RP/ref=asc_df_B0C33HS3RP/? 
>>>>>>>>>>> tag=googleshopc0c-20&linkCode=df0&hvadid=708007226763&hvpos=&hvnetw=g&hvrand=13265770567124847550&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvqmt=&hvdev=c&hvdvcmdl=&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=9001547&hvtargid=pla-2190493457657&psc=1&mcid=5f9e3a8965ea37bc89aca8270bb63779&gad_source=1>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> <https://ca.macsales.com/shop/external-drives/owc-ministack>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Super neato, but my motherboard can already handle another 
>>>>>>>>>> NVMe or
>>>>>>>>>> two.
>>>>>>>>> Which is better in what measurable way?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> It's elegant.
>>>>>>> Why? What makes it more "elegant"?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It's just a piece of the computer, once installed.  No wire.
>>>>> So by that argument, an all-in-one is more "elegant" than having an
>>>>> external monitor?
>>>>
>>>> No.
>>>
>>> But you just defined elegance by lack of wires...
>>
>>
>> But not by marrying different components to each other, creating a
>> fragile system.
> 
> So then an external monitor is "fragile"?

And the keyboard & mouse too, because they've not been integrated into 
the computer case either, so under Joel's choice of definitions they 
must be considered to be 'fragile' too.


>>>>> This looks pretty "elegant" to me:
>>>>>
>>>>> <https://www.owc.com/solutions/ministack-stx>
>>>>>
>>>>> Or this:
>>>>>
>>>>> <https://satechi.net/landing/new-stand-and-hub-m4-mac-mini>
>>>>>
>>>>> Remember: Thunderbolt literally IS PCIe...
>>>>
>>>> OK, but why not just have a real case, a real motherboard?  Why the
>>>> quirks?
>>> What makes one more "real" than the other?
>>
>>
>> Expandability. 
>
> Which I've already addressed.

Plus in the case of the STX, if the NVMe & HDD/SSD which one chose to 
install ends up being inadequate in size, it is straightforward to open 
the box and install a larger one...all with the advantage of also having 
a provisioning of a Thunderbolt 3 hub for additional peripheral ports.
They're pretty sweet.

-hh

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#145612

From"Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net>
Date2024-12-25 12:02 -0600
Message-ID<vkhnh1$2hg2e$34@dont-email.me>
In reply to#145344

"Joel" <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote in message 
news:cdl3mjhqf9ia6tcb5ca0l23t9l8ee7n5r7@4ax.com...
> Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>
>>>>>>>>>> On some computers (which would have cost you less) you can buy 
>>>>>>>>>> drives
>>>>>>>>>> that perfectly sit under the desktop:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> <https://www.amazon.ca/Enclosure-Docking-Station-Readers-Compatible/dp/B0C33HS3RP/ref=asc_df_B0C33HS3RP/?tag=googleshopc0c-20&linkCode=df0&hvadid=708007226763&hvpos=&hvnetw=g&hvrand=13265770567124847550&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvqmt=&hvdev=c&hvdvcmdl=&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=9001547&hvtargid=pla-2190493457657&psc=1&mcid=5f9e3a8965ea37bc89aca8270bb63779&gad_source=1>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> <https://ca.macsales.com/shop/external-drives/owc-ministack>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Super neato, but my motherboard can already handle another NVMe or
>>>>>>>>> two.
>>>>>>>> Which is better in what measurable way?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It's elegant.
>>>>>> Why? What makes it more "elegant"?
>>>>>
>>>>> It's just a piece of the computer, once installed.  No wire.
>>>> So by that argument, an all-in-one is more "elegant" than having an
>>>> external monitor?
>>>
>>> No.
>>
>>But you just defined elegance by lack of wires...
>
>
> But not by marrying different components to each other, creating a
> fragile system.

Your keyboard, mouse and monitor make for a "fragile system" then?

 

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