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| Started by | Yousuf Khan <bbbl67@spammenot.yahoo.com> |
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| First post | 2018-10-06 21:32 -0400 |
| Last post | 2018-10-07 20:09 -0700 |
| Articles | 20 on this page of 161 — 17 participants |
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Upgrading phone, which of these would you pick? Yousuf Khan <bbbl67@spammenot.yahoo.com> - 2018-10-06 21:32 -0400
Re: Upgrading phone, which of these would you pick? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2018-10-07 13:40 +0200
Re: Upgrading phone, which of these would you pick? Yousuf Khan <bbbl67@spammenot.yahoo.com> - 2018-10-07 08:30 -0400
Re: Upgrading phone, which of these would you pick? Libor Striz <poutnik4REMOVEnntp@CAPITALSgmail.com> - 2018-10-07 15:20 +0200
Re: Upgrading phone, which of these would you pick? "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2018-10-07 15:58 +0200
Re: Upgrading phone, which of these would you pick? Piet <www.godfatherof.nl/@opt-in.invalid> - 2018-10-07 18:54 +0200
Re: Upgrading phone, which of these would you pick? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2018-10-07 20:27 +0200
Re: Upgrading phone, which of these would you pick? Joerg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.ch> - 2018-10-07 20:55 +0200
Re: Upgrading phone, which of these would you pick? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2018-10-07 21:06 +0200
Re: Upgrading phone, which of these would you pick? Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2018-10-07 19:40 +0000
Re: Upgrading phone, which of these would you pick? Yousuf Khan <bbbl67@spammenot.yahoo.com> - 2018-10-07 19:02 -0400
Re: Upgrading phone, which of these would you pick? Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2018-10-08 14:49 +0000
Re: Upgrading phone, which of these would you pick? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2018-10-09 04:33 +0200
Re: Upgrading phone, which of these would you pick? Yousuf Khan <bbbl67@spammenot.yahoo.com> - 2018-10-09 07:22 -0400
Re: Upgrading phone, which of these would you pick? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2018-10-09 16:38 +0200
Re: Upgrading phone, which of these would you pick? Yousuf Khan <bbbl67@spammenot.yahoo.com> - 2018-10-09 12:49 -0400
Re: Upgrading phone, which of these would you pick? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2018-10-09 20:01 +0200
Re: Upgrading phone, which of these would you pick? Yousuf Khan <bbbl67@spammenot.yahoo.com> - 2018-10-09 19:48 -0400
Re: Upgrading phone, which of these would you pick? BugHunter <bughunter@com.invalid> - 2018-10-10 02:55 +0200
Re: Upgrading phone, which of these would you pick? Yousuf Khan <bbbl67@spammenot.yahoo.com> - 2018-10-10 04:19 -0400
Re: Upgrading phone, which of these would you pick? BugHunter <bughunter@com.invalid> - 2018-10-10 10:41 +0200
Re: Upgrading phone, which of these would you pick? sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com> - 2018-10-10 07:45 -0700
Re: Upgrading phone, which of these would you pick? BugHunter <bughunter@com.invalid> - 2018-10-10 16:50 +0200
Re: Upgrading phone, which of these would you pick? sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com> - 2018-10-10 08:24 -0700
Re: Upgrading phone, which of these would you pick? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-10-10 11:27 -0400
Re: Upgrading phone, which of these would you pick? Joerg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.ch> - 2018-10-10 18:08 +0200
Re: Upgrading phone, which of these would you pick? BugHunter <bughunter@com.invalid> - 2018-10-10 17:58 +0200
Re: Upgrading phone, which of these would you pick? sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com> - 2018-10-10 14:14 -0700
Re: Upgrading phone, which of these would you pick? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2018-10-11 13:50 +0200
Re: Upgrading phone, which of these would you pick? sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com> - 2018-10-11 12:00 -0700
Re: Upgrading phone, which of these would you pick? Joerg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.ch> - 2018-10-10 18:06 +0200
Re: Upgrading phone, which of these would you pick? Yousuf Khan <bbbl67@spammenot.yahoo.com> - 2018-10-11 02:00 -0400
Re: Upgrading phone, which of these would you pick? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-10-11 07:51 -0400
Re: Upgrading phone, which of these would you pick? Yousuf Khan <bbbl67@spammenot.yahoo.com> - 2018-10-11 09:31 -0400
Re: Upgrading phone, which of these would you pick? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2018-10-11 13:53 +0200
Re: Upgrading phone, which of these would you pick? Yousuf Khan <bbbl67@spammenot.yahoo.com> - 2018-10-11 09:38 -0400
Re: Upgrading phone, which of these would you pick? 123456789 <12345@12345.com> - 2018-10-11 10:11 -0700
Re: Upgrading phone, which of these would you pick? Yousuf Khan <bbbl67@spammenot.yahoo.com> - 2018-10-11 21:49 -0400
Re: Upgrading phone, which of these would you pick? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-10-11 22:39 -0400
Re: Upgrading phone, which of these would you pick? 123456789 <12345@12345.com> - 2018-10-11 19:47 -0700
Re: Upgrading phone, which of these would you pick? sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com> - 2018-10-12 01:38 -0700
Re: Upgrading phone, which of these would you pick? 123456789 <12345@12345.com> - 2018-10-12 10:20 -0700
Re: Upgrading phone, which of these would you pick? sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com> - 2018-10-12 12:25 -0700
Re: Upgrading phone, which of these would you pick? 123456789 <12345@12345.com> - 2018-10-12 14:51 -0700
Re: Upgrading phone, which of these would you pick? The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> - 2018-10-12 14:56 -0700
Re: Upgrading phone, which of these would you pick? 123456789 <12345@12345.com> - 2018-10-12 15:18 -0700
Re: Upgrading phone, which of these would you pick? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-10-12 19:02 -0400
Re: Upgrading phone, which of these would you pick? sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com> - 2018-10-12 17:35 -0700
Re: Upgrading phone, which of these would you pick? sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com> - 2018-10-12 18:47 -0700
Re: Upgrading phone, which of these would you pick? 123456789 <12345@12345.com> - 2018-10-12 19:59 -0700
Re: Upgrading phone, which of these would you pick? sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com> - 2018-10-13 02:46 -0700
Re: Upgrading phone, which of these would you pick? 123456789 <12345@12345.com> - 2018-10-13 09:42 -0700
Re: Upgrading phone, which of these would you pick? sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com> - 2018-10-14 10:14 -0700
Re: Upgrading phone, which of these would you pick? 123456789 <12345@12345.com> - 2018-10-14 11:39 -0700
Re: Upgrading phone, which of these would you pick? sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com> - 2018-10-14 17:05 -0700
Re: Upgrading phone, which of these would you pick? 123456789 <12345@12345.com> - 2018-10-14 18:30 -0700
Re: Upgrading phone, which of these would you pick? Joerg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.ch> - 2018-10-12 06:59 +0200
Re: Upgrading phone, which of these would you pick? sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com> - 2018-10-11 12:33 -0700
Re: Upgrading phone, which of these would you pick? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-10-11 15:46 -0400
Re: Upgrading phone, which of these would you pick? 123456789 <12345@12345.com> - 2018-10-11 10:11 -0700
Re: Upgrading phone, which of these would you pick? Yousuf Khan <bbbl67@spammenot.yahoo.com> - 2018-10-11 22:23 -0400
Re: Upgrading phone, which of these would you pick? 123456789 <12345@12345.com> - 2018-10-11 20:01 -0700
Re: Upgrading phone, which of these would you pick? Yousuf Khan <bbbl67@spammenot.yahoo.com> - 2018-10-13 13:13 -0400
Re: Upgrading phone, which of these would you pick? 123456789 <12345@12345.com> - 2018-10-13 16:32 -0700
Re: Upgrading phone, which of these would you pick? Yousuf Khan <bbbl67@spammenot.yahoo.com> - 2018-10-15 14:39 -0400
Re: Upgrading phone, which of these would you pick? sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com> - 2018-10-10 07:38 -0700
Re: Upgrading phone, which of these would you pick? Yousuf Khan <bbbl67@spammenot.yahoo.com> - 2018-10-11 02:04 -0400
Re: Upgrading phone, which of these would you pick? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2018-10-11 13:59 +0200
Re: Upgrading phone, which of these would you pick? The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> - 2018-10-10 08:46 -0700
Re: Upgrading phone, which of these would you pick? sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com> - 2018-10-10 14:08 -0700
Re: Upgrading phone, which of these would you pick? Yousuf Khan <bbbl67@spammenot.yahoo.com> - 2018-10-11 02:07 -0400
Re: Upgrading phone, which of these would you pick? sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com> - 2018-10-09 18:48 -0700
Re: Upgrading phone, which of these would you pick? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2018-10-10 15:43 +0200
Re: Upgrading phone, which of these would you pick? sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com> - 2018-10-10 08:16 -0700
Re: Upgrading phone, which of these would you pick? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2018-10-10 23:09 +0200
Re: Upgrading phone, which of these would you pick? sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com> - 2018-10-10 14:46 -0700
Re: Upgrading phone, which of these would you pick? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2018-10-11 12:51 +0200
Re: Upgrading phone, which of these would you pick? Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2018-10-11 14:03 +0000
Re: Upgrading phone, which of these would you pick? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2018-10-11 19:12 +0200
Re: Upgrading phone, which of these would you pick? Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2018-10-11 18:02 +0000
Re: Upgrading phone, which of these would you pick? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2018-10-12 14:01 +0200
Re: Upgrading phone, which of these would you pick? Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2018-10-13 15:14 +0000
Re: Upgrading phone, which of these would you pick? sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com> - 2018-10-13 10:07 -0700
Re: Upgrading phone, which of these would you pick? The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> - 2018-10-09 20:23 -0700
Re: Upgrading phone, which of these would you pick? Yousuf Khan <bbbl67@spammenot.yahoo.com> - 2018-10-10 04:18 -0400
Re: Upgrading phone, which of these would you pick? sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com> - 2018-10-10 07:35 -0700
Re: Upgrading phone, which of these would you pick? Yousuf Khan <bbbl67@spammenot.yahoo.com> - 2018-10-11 02:11 -0400
Re: Upgrading phone, which of these would you pick? sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com> - 2018-10-11 04:25 -0700
Re: Upgrading phone, which of these would you pick? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2018-10-10 15:50 +0200
Re: Upgrading phone, which of these would you pick? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-10-10 10:24 -0400
Re: Upgrading phone, which of these would you pick? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2018-10-11 13:06 +0200
Re: Upgrading phone, which of these would you pick? sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com> - 2018-10-10 07:34 -0700
Re: Upgrading phone, which of these would you pick? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2018-10-10 15:28 +0200
Re: Upgrading phone, which of these would you pick? sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com> - 2018-10-10 07:47 -0700
Re: Upgrading phone, which of these would you pick? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2018-10-11 13:11 +0200
Re: Upgrading phone, which of these would you pick? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-10-11 07:51 -0400
Re: Upgrading phone, which of these would you pick? Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2018-10-09 16:53 +0000
Re: Upgrading phone, which of these would you pick? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2018-10-09 20:09 +0200
Re: Upgrading phone, which of these would you pick? Yousuf Khan <bbbl67@spammenot.yahoo.com> - 2018-10-09 07:08 -0400
Re: Upgrading phone, which of these would you pick? Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2018-10-09 16:53 +0000
Re: Upgrading phone, which of these would you pick? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2018-10-09 20:10 +0200
Re: Upgrading phone, which of these would you pick? Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2018-10-09 19:11 +0000
Re: Upgrading phone, which of these would you pick? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2018-10-10 14:49 +0200
Re: Upgrading phone, which of these would you pick? Yousuf Khan <bbbl67@spammenot.yahoo.com> - 2018-10-10 04:36 -0400
Re: Upgrading phone, which of these would you pick? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2018-10-10 14:59 +0200
Re: Upgrading phone, which of these would you pick? Yousuf Khan <bbbl67@spammenot.yahoo.com> - 2018-10-11 02:21 -0400
Re: Upgrading phone, which of these would you pick? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2018-10-11 13:39 +0200
Re: Upgrading phone, which of these would you pick? sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com> - 2018-10-10 07:44 -0700
Re: Upgrading phone, which of these would you pick? Yousuf Khan <bbbl67@spammenot.yahoo.com> - 2018-10-11 02:30 -0400
Re: Upgrading phone, which of these would you pick? sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com> - 2018-10-11 04:35 -0700
Re: Upgrading phone, which of these would you pick? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-10-11 07:51 -0400
Re: Upgrading phone, which of these would you pick? "Percival P. Cassidy" <Nobody@NotMyISP.net> - 2018-10-11 10:44 -0400
Re: Upgrading phone, which of these would you pick? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2018-10-11 19:19 +0200
Re: Upgrading phone, which of these would you pick? Yousuf Khan <bbbl67@spammenot.yahoo.com> - 2018-10-12 01:46 -0400
Re: Upgrading phone, which of these would you pick? sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com> - 2018-10-12 01:52 -0700
Re: Upgrading phone, which of these would you pick? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2018-10-12 14:11 +0200
Re: Upgrading phone, which of these would you pick? sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com> - 2018-10-12 08:36 -0700
Re: Upgrading phone, which of these would you pick? sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com> - 2018-10-12 08:50 -0700
Re: Upgrading phone, which of these would you pick? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-10-12 12:19 -0400
Re: Upgrading phone, which of these would you pick? Yousuf Khan <bbbl67@spammenot.yahoo.com> - 2018-10-13 13:17 -0400
Re: Upgrading phone, which of these would you pick? The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> - 2018-10-12 11:17 -0700
Re: Upgrading phone, which of these would you pick? sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com> - 2018-10-12 11:26 -0700
Re: Upgrading phone, which of these would you pick? Yousuf Khan <bbbl67@spammenot.yahoo.com> - 2018-10-07 15:10 -0400
Re: Upgrading phone, which of these would you pick? Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2018-10-07 19:32 +0000
Re: Upgrading phone, which of these would you pick? Yousuf Khan <bbbl67@spammenot.yahoo.com> - 2018-10-07 20:08 -0400
Re: Upgrading phone, which of these would you pick? Joerg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.ch> - 2018-10-08 06:30 +0200
Re: Upgrading phone, which of these would you pick? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2018-10-08 15:49 +0200
Re: Upgrading phone, which of these would you pick? Piet <www.godfatherof.nl/@opt-in.invalid> - 2018-10-08 10:39 +0200
Re: Upgrading phone, which of these would you pick? Yousuf Khan <bbbl67@spammenot.yahoo.com> - 2018-10-09 07:24 -0400
Re: Upgrading phone, which of these would you pick? Yousuf Khan <bbbl67@spammenot.yahoo.com> - 2018-10-07 15:09 -0400
Re: Upgrading phone, which of these would you pick? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2018-10-07 21:31 +0200
Re: Upgrading phone, which of these would you pick? Yousuf Khan <bbbl67@spammenot.yahoo.com> - 2018-10-07 20:09 -0400
Re: Upgrading phone, which of these would you pick? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2018-10-08 03:45 +0200
Re: Upgrading phone, which of these would you pick? Yousuf Khan <bbbl67@spammenot.yahoo.com> - 2018-10-08 03:40 -0400
Re: Upgrading phone, which of these would you pick? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2018-10-08 15:56 +0200
Re: Upgrading phone, which of these would you pick? Yousuf Khan <bbbl67@spammenot.yahoo.com> - 2018-10-09 07:32 -0400
Re: Upgrading phone, which of these would you pick? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2018-10-09 16:45 +0200
Re: Upgrading phone, which of these would you pick? Yousuf Khan <bbbl67@spammenot.yahoo.com> - 2018-10-09 13:32 -0400
Re: Upgrading phone, which of these would you pick? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2018-10-09 20:12 +0200
Re: Upgrading phone, which of these would you pick? Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2018-10-09 19:22 +0000
Re: Upgrading phone, which of these would you pick? Anssi Saari <as@sci.fi> - 2018-10-10 12:01 +0300
Re: Upgrading phone, which of these would you pick? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2018-10-10 15:16 +0200
Re: Upgrading phone, which of these would you pick? Yousuf Khan <bbbl67@spammenot.yahoo.com> - 2018-10-10 04:38 -0400
Re: Upgrading phone, which of these would you pick? 123456789 <12345@12345.com> - 2018-10-08 07:47 -0700
Re: Upgrading phone, which of these would you pick? Nil <rednoise9@REMOVETHIScomcast.net> - 2018-10-07 13:04 -0400
Re: Upgrading phone, which of these would you pick? Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2018-10-07 17:28 +0000
Re: Upgrading phone, which of these would you pick? Calum <com.gmail@nospam.scottishwildcat> - 2018-10-07 18:50 +0100
Re: Upgrading phone, which of these would you pick? Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2018-10-07 18:48 +0000
Re: Upgrading phone, which of these would you pick? Libor Striz <poutnik4REMOVEnntp@CAPITALSgmail.com> - 2018-10-07 20:26 +0200
Re: Upgrading phone, which of these would you pick? Libor Striz <poutnik4REMOVEnntp@CAPITALSgmail.com> - 2018-10-07 20:27 +0200
Re: Upgrading phone, which of these would you pick? Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2018-10-07 18:48 +0000
Re: Upgrading phone, which of these would you pick? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2018-10-07 20:34 +0200
Re: Upgrading phone, which of these would you pick? Piet <www.godfatherof.nl/@opt-in.invalid> - 2018-10-07 20:46 +0200
Re: Upgrading phone, which of these would you pick? Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2018-10-07 19:13 +0000
Re: Upgrading phone, which of these would you pick? Piet <www.godfatherof.nl/@opt-in.invalid> - 2018-10-08 10:46 +0200
Re: Upgrading phone, which of these would you pick? Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2018-10-08 14:52 +0000
Re: Upgrading phone, which of these would you pick? Yousuf Khan <bbbl67@spammenot.yahoo.com> - 2018-10-07 15:17 -0400
Re: Upgrading phone, which of these would you pick? 123456789 <12345@12345.com> - 2018-10-07 14:23 -0700
Re: Upgrading phone, which of these would you pick? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2018-10-08 03:48 +0200
Re: Upgrading phone, which of these would you pick? XS11E <xs11eNO@SPAMyahoo.com> - 2018-10-07 17:29 -0700
Re: Upgrading phone, which of these would you pick? sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com> - 2018-10-07 20:09 -0700
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| From | "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> |
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| Date | 2018-10-09 20:10 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <hi7v8f-l0d.ln1@Telcontar.valinor> |
| In reply to | #56422 |
On 09/10/2018 18.53, Frank Slootweg wrote: > Yousuf Khan <bbbl67@spammenot.yahoo.com> wrote: >> On 10/8/2018 10:49 AM, Frank Slootweg wrote: >>> Out of interest: How do you*know* the phone service provider provides >>> the updates? >>> >>> Don't you - explicitly or implicitly - do a 'Check for updates' on >>> your phone and the phone does or doesn't download/install an update? >>> >>> How do you*know* *where* the update comes from? How do you*know* >>> that your phone does*not* connect to a server of the manufacturer, >>> but to a server of the phone service provider? >> >> Because I directly tested this out myself several years ago. My wife and >> I had identical phones from the same manufacturer, and we are with the >> same service provider. The only difference was that I bought mine >> directly from the manufacturer's online store, while she bought hers >> through the service provider's plan. My phone received far more OS >> updates than hers. > > Did your test *specifically say* that it was connecting to your *phone > service provider's* server? If not, how do you *know* - not assume - it > did? > > For example, if I do a 'Check for updates' on my phone, it just does > its thing and says 'No updates'. So it does not say to whose server it > connects, phone manufacturer or network provider [1]. > > [1] *I* know that it's not connecting to my 'network provider', because > I have several SIMs/network-providers and hence the phone is not tied to > any particular network-provider. It could still do: check a server of the ISP (or PSP) via DNS. -- Cheers, Carlos.
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| From | Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> |
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| Date | 2018-10-09 19:11 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <ppj5hp.dkg.1@ID-201911.user.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #56428 |
Carlos E.R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote: > On 09/10/2018 18.53, Frank Slootweg wrote: > > Yousuf Khan <bbbl67@spammenot.yahoo.com> wrote: > >> On 10/8/2018 10:49 AM, Frank Slootweg wrote: > >>> Out of interest: How do you*know* the phone service provider provides > >>> the updates? > >>> > >>> Don't you - explicitly or implicitly - do a 'Check for updates' on > >>> your phone and the phone does or doesn't download/install an update? > >>> > >>> How do you*know* *where* the update comes from? How do you*know* > >>> that your phone does*not* connect to a server of the manufacturer, > >>> but to a server of the phone service provider? > >> > >> Because I directly tested this out myself several years ago. My wife and > >> I had identical phones from the same manufacturer, and we are with the > >> same service provider. The only difference was that I bought mine > >> directly from the manufacturer's online store, while she bought hers > >> through the service provider's plan. My phone received far more OS > >> updates than hers. > > > > Did your test *specifically say* that it was connecting to your *phone > > service provider's* server? If not, how do you *know* - not assume - it > > did? > > > > For example, if I do a 'Check for updates' on my phone, it just does > > its thing and says 'No updates'. So it does not say to whose server it > > connects, phone manufacturer or network provider [1]. > > > > [1] *I* know that it's not connecting to my 'network provider', because > > I have several SIMs/network-providers and hence the phone is not tied to > > any particular network-provider. > > It could still do: check a server of the ISP (or PSP) via DNS. No, it can't. As I said, I have *several* (multiple) SIMs/ network-providers. The phone can't possibly know *which one* of these network-providers it 'should' [1] contact, especially not since all-but-one SIM are not in the phone. [1] 'should' in scare quotes, because it shouldn't contact any one of them, only the server of the phone-manufacturer (Huawei).
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| From | "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> |
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| Date | 2018-10-10 14:49 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <74919f-09q.ln1@Telcontar.valinor> |
| In reply to | #56430 |
On 09/10/2018 21.11, Frank Slootweg wrote: > Carlos E.R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote: >> On 09/10/2018 18.53, Frank Slootweg wrote: >>> Yousuf Khan <bbbl67@spammenot.yahoo.com> wrote: >>>> On 10/8/2018 10:49 AM, Frank Slootweg wrote: >>>>> Out of interest: How do you*know* the phone service provider provides >>>>> the updates? >>>>> >>>>> Don't you - explicitly or implicitly - do a 'Check for updates' on >>>>> your phone and the phone does or doesn't download/install an update? >>>>> >>>>> How do you*know* *where* the update comes from? How do you*know* >>>>> that your phone does*not* connect to a server of the manufacturer, >>>>> but to a server of the phone service provider? >>>> >>>> Because I directly tested this out myself several years ago. My wife and >>>> I had identical phones from the same manufacturer, and we are with the >>>> same service provider. The only difference was that I bought mine >>>> directly from the manufacturer's online store, while she bought hers >>>> through the service provider's plan. My phone received far more OS >>>> updates than hers. >>> >>> Did your test *specifically say* that it was connecting to your *phone >>> service provider's* server? If not, how do you *know* - not assume - it >>> did? >>> >>> For example, if I do a 'Check for updates' on my phone, it just does >>> its thing and says 'No updates'. So it does not say to whose server it >>> connects, phone manufacturer or network provider [1]. >>> >>> [1] *I* know that it's not connecting to my 'network provider', because >>> I have several SIMs/network-providers and hence the phone is not tied to >>> any particular network-provider. >> >> It could still do: check a server of the ISP (or PSP) via DNS. > > No, it can't. As I said, I have *several* (multiple) SIMs/ > network-providers. The phone can't possibly know *which one* of these > network-providers it 'should' [1] contact, especially not since > all-but-one SIM are not in the phone. Why would it have to contact any network provider listed in the SIM? Instead it would contact a DNS address listed in the firmware, which can be that of the original provider. > > [1] 'should' in scare quotes, because it shouldn't contact any one of > them, only the server of the phone-manufacturer (Huawei). > -- Cheers, Carlos.
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| From | Yousuf Khan <bbbl67@spammenot.yahoo.com> |
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| Date | 2018-10-10 04:36 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <b4mdnTdsDJSFJyDGnZ2dnUU7-bPNnZ2d@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #56422 |
On 10/9/2018 12:53 PM, Frank Slootweg wrote: > Did your test*specifically say* that it was connecting to your *phone > service provider's* server? If not, how do you*know* - not assume - it > did? > > For example, if I do a 'Check for updates' on my phone, it just does > its thing and says 'No updates'. So it does not say to whose server it > connects, phone manufacturer or network provider [1]. > > [1]*I* know that it's not connecting to my 'network provider', because > I have several SIMs/network-providers and hence the phone is not tied to > any particular network-provider. I see there is a lot of confusion among the Europeans in this group about how North American phones get updated. Just keep this in mind, most phones in NA are provided by the carrier, they aren't bought through 3rd parties, like in the rest of the world. The phone mfgs provide the phones to the carriers, and they make certain customizations for those carriers. Among the customizations is that the carriers determine when, or even if a kernel update is provided. As for where exactly those updates are coming from, there is no information given about that. App updates are not affected by this, those updates are determined through the Google Play store or equivalent, like the Amazon store. Whether they're coming from the carrier's own servers or from the manufacturer's servers is not known, nor is it relevant! The phones provided through a carrier are customized to let the carrier determine when and if an update is provided. So the updates may still be coming from the mfg's servers, but it's the carrier that determines whether to make it available. The carriers justify this by stating that this allows them to test the updates prior to making them available, but of course after awhile they stop testing any further updates and no further updates will be made available, thus giving a reason to change the phone after a few years. Thus, when I bought a model of phone directly from the manufacturer's webstore, I received a completely generic phone with no carrier customizations. My wife who bought the exact same model through her carrier plan, had a slightly modified phone with carrier customizations. Yousuf Khan
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| From | "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> |
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| Date | 2018-10-10 14:59 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <6n919f-11r.ln1@Telcontar.valinor> |
| In reply to | #56444 |
On 10/10/2018 10.36, Yousuf Khan wrote: > On 10/9/2018 12:53 PM, Frank Slootweg wrote: >> Did your test*specifically say* that it was connecting to your *phone >> service provider's* server? If not, how do you*know* - not assume - it >> did? >> >> For example, if I do a 'Check for updates' on my phone, it just does >> its thing and says 'No updates'. So it does not say to whose server it >> connects, phone manufacturer or network provider [1]. >> >> [1]*I* know that it's not connecting to my 'network provider', because >> I have several SIMs/network-providers and hence the phone is not tied to >> any particular network-provider. > > I see there is a lot of confusion among the Europeans in this group > about how North American phones get updated. Just keep this in mind, > most phones in NA are provided by the carrier, they aren't bought > through 3rd parties, like in the rest of the world. The phone mfgs > provide the phones to the carriers, and they make certain customizations > for those carriers. Among the customizations is that the carriers > determine when, or even if a kernel update is provided. As for where > exactly those updates are coming from, there is no information given > about that. > > App updates are not affected by this, those updates are determined > through the Google Play store or equivalent, like the Amazon store. > > Whether they're coming from the carrier's own servers or from the > manufacturer's servers is not known, nor is it relevant! The phones > provided through a carrier are customized to let the carrier determine > when and if an update is provided. So the updates may still be coming > from the mfg's servers, but it's the carrier that determines whether to > make it available. The carriers justify this by stating that this allows > them to test the updates prior to making them available, but of course > after awhile they stop testing any further updates and no further > updates will be made available, thus giving a reason to change the phone > after a few years. Yes, this is my understanding. There are also carrier provided phones here, too. I no longer buy them, because the end price is the same. Other people do, because the price being the same, they don't have to pay the price in a single payment, but over a year or two. So yes, we are also familiar with the system :-) > > Thus, when I bought a model of phone directly from the manufacturer's > webstore, I received a completely generic phone with no carrier > customizations. My wife who bought the exact same model through her > carrier plan, had a slightly modified phone with carrier customizations. > > Yousuf Khan -- Cheers, Carlos.
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| From | Yousuf Khan <bbbl67@spammenot.yahoo.com> |
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| Date | 2018-10-11 02:21 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <CJSdnQFGcu1hdiPGnZ2dnUU7-SnNnZ2d@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #56452 |
On 10/10/2018 8:59 AM, Carlos E.R. wrote: > Yes, this is my understanding. > > There are also carrier provided phones here, too. I no longer buy them, > because the end price is the same. Other people do, because the price > being the same, they don't have to pay the price in a single payment, > but over a year or two. > > So yes, we are also familiar with the system:-) But in North America, we started out with this carrier-provided system, and it's still the most popular way to get a phone here. In the rest of the world, even if the system exists now, they grew up with the other way of buying your own phones separately, so that remains the most popular system there. My estimate is that 80% of phones are still carrier-provided in NA, while 20% are direct purchases. And my estimate in the rest of the world would be that 90% are direct purchases, and 10% are carrier-provided. In places without carrier-purchase plans, that would be 100% direct purchases. Yousuf Khan
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| From | "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> |
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| Date | 2018-10-11 13:39 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <qbp39f-3j.ln1@Telcontar.valinor> |
| In reply to | #56483 |
On 11/10/2018 08.21, Yousuf Khan wrote: > On 10/10/2018 8:59 AM, Carlos E.R. wrote: >> Yes, this is my understanding. >> >> There are also carrier provided phones here, too. I no longer buy them, >> because the end price is the same. Other people do, because the price >> being the same, they don't have to pay the price in a single payment, >> but over a year or two. >> >> So yes, we are also familiar with the system:-) > > But in North America, we started out with this carrier-provided system, > and it's still the most popular way to get a phone here. In the rest of > the world, even if the system exists now, they grew up with the other > way of buying your own phones separately, so that remains the most > popular system there. Well, at least in Spain we started the same as you, with carrier provided and subsidized phones. I don't know exactly for what reason free phones became popular, maybe pressured by regulations (liberalization). If the price has to be the same in both cases, there is no economic incentive for the carriers to provide phones - and they don't provide all brands and models, that may be another reason. I remember around 1995 that people would get a phone from a company then switch company and get another phone, keeping the previous phone. People would have a new number every month or so. Soon they added a clause to make them pay the remainder of the phone, LOL. > > My estimate is that 80% of phones are still carrier-provided in NA, > while 20% are direct purchases. And my estimate in the rest of the world > would be that 90% are direct purchases, and 10% are carrier-provided. In > places without carrier-purchase plans, that would be 100% direct purchases. > > Yousuf Khan -- Cheers, Carlos.
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| From | sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com> |
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| Date | 2018-10-10 07:44 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <ppl37o$m7i$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #56444 |
On 10/10/2018 1:36 AM, Yousuf Khan wrote: > I see there is a lot of confusion among the Europeans in this group > about how North American phones get updated. Just keep this in mind, > most phones in NA are provided by the carrier, they aren't bought > through 3rd parties, like in the rest of the world. The phone mfgs > provide the phones to the carriers, and they make certain customizations > for those carriers. Among the customizations is that the carriers > determine when, or even if a kernel update is provided. As for where > exactly those updates are coming from, there is no information given > about that. Note that unlocked phones, not provided by the carrier, still receive pushed updates. I have several unlocked, non-carrier specific, Motorola/Lenovo phones purchased not from the carrier. They get both the major updates (i.e. Nougat to Oreo) as well as the security updates. For phones not normally sold in the U.S. it may be different. Many phones sold in the U.S. are not purchased from the carrier. For example, if you buy an unlocked phone from an Apple store or from Apple online, it will work with any U.S. carrier. Ditto for Samsung phones from Samsung. You will still get the OS and security updates.
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| From | Yousuf Khan <bbbl67@spammenot.yahoo.com> |
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| Date | 2018-10-11 02:30 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <M8idnVbBa_m9cyPGnZ2dnUU7-bnNnZ2d@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #56461 |
On 10/10/2018 10:44 AM, sms wrote: > Note that unlocked phones, not provided by the carrier, still receive > pushed updates. I have several unlocked, non-carrier specific, > Motorola/Lenovo phones purchased not from the carrier. They get both the > major updates (i.e. Nougat to Oreo) as well as the security updates. Yes, that was my point too when I mentioned that I bought a phone directly, and my wife got hers through the carrier. Identical phones, non-identical update paths. > For phones not normally sold in the U.S. it may be different. > > Many phones sold in the U.S. are not purchased from the carrier. For > example, if you buy an unlocked phone from an Apple store or from Apple > online, it will work with any U.S. carrier. Ditto for Samsung phones > from Samsung. You will still get the OS and security updates. Yes, here in NA, the idea of purchasing a phone directly from a vendor rather than through the carrier really took off after Apple started selling the iPhone. 50% of iPhones are directly purchased from Apple, while 50% come through a carrier. Apple is the only one with this culture of direct purchasing, other mfgs are mostly sold through the carriers. North Americans really have no such thing as independent phone boutiques, who sell phone models not directly associated with carriers. In the rest of the world, you can see all kinds of makes of phones, like Huawei, Oppo, or ZTE. Even though these phones can potentially work here, if they aren't carried by the carriers, it's like as if they never even existed. Yousuf Khan
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| From | sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com> |
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| Date | 2018-10-11 04:35 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <ppnci1$k7q$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #56484 |
On 10/10/2018 11:30 PM, Yousuf Khan wrote: > On 10/10/2018 10:44 AM, sms wrote: >> Note that unlocked phones, not provided by the carrier, still receive >> pushed updates. I have several unlocked, non-carrier specific, >> Motorola/Lenovo phones purchased not from the carrier. They get both >> the major updates (i.e. Nougat to Oreo) as well as the security updates. > > Yes, that was my point too when I mentioned that I bought a phone > directly, and my wife got hers through the carrier. Identical phones, > non-identical update paths. > >> For phones not normally sold in the U.S. it may be different. >> >> Many phones sold in the U.S. are not purchased from the carrier. For >> example, if you buy an unlocked phone from an Apple store or from >> Apple online, it will work with any U.S. carrier. Ditto for Samsung >> phones from Samsung. You will still get the OS and security updates. > > Yes, here in NA, the idea of purchasing a phone directly from a vendor > rather than through the carrier really took off after Apple started > selling the iPhone. 50% of iPhones are directly purchased from Apple, > while 50% come through a carrier. Apple is the only one with this > culture of direct purchasing, other mfgs are mostly sold through the > carriers. > > North Americans really have no such thing as independent phone > boutiques, who sell phone models not directly associated with carriers. > In the rest of the world, you can see all kinds of makes of phones, like > Huawei, Oppo, or ZTE. Even though these phones can potentially work > here, if they aren't carried by the carriers, it's like as if they never > even existed. Samsung has been making a push for direct sales by offering much better discounts than the carriers or big box stores. When my son bought the Samsung Galaxy S8 it was $425 direct from Samsung ($100 off MSRP plus a $200 trade in of any working smart phone). The carriers were charging the full MSRP. Samsung now limits what phones you can trade in and assigns different values to each one. IIRC I sent in an old HTC Incredible. Apple, who resisted dual SIM phones for so long, now has the eSiM plus a physical SIM that can be used together on the Xs and Xr, plus in China they offer the Xs Max and Xr with two physical SIMs. Unfortunately, the China model has different CDMA bands than the U.S. model so you still can't have a two physical SIM iPhone that works on Verizon or Sprint.
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| From | nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> |
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| Date | 2018-10-11 07:51 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <111020180751090145%nospam@nospam.invalid> |
| In reply to | #56490 |
In article <ppnci1$k7q$1@dont-email.me>, sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote: > Apple, who resisted dual SIM phones for so long, now has the eSiM plus a > physical SIM that can be used together on the Xs and Xr, plus in China > they offer the Xs Max and Xr with two physical SIMs. Unfortunately, the > China model has different CDMA bands than the U.S. model so you still > can't have a two physical SIM iPhone that works on Verizon or Sprint. there's no need for two physical sims since both verizon and sprint support esims, as will many other carriers. chinese carriers haven't started to support esims yet, which is why there is a china specific version that is two physical sims. ideally, all phones would have esims, but we're not at that point yet.
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| From | "Percival P. Cassidy" <Nobody@NotMyISP.net> |
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| Date | 2018-10-11 10:44 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <g2961mF28veU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #56484 |
On 10/11/18 2:30 AM, Yousuf Khan wrote: >> Note that unlocked phones, not provided by the carrier, still receive >> pushed updates. I have several unlocked, non-carrier specific, >> Motorola/Lenovo phones purchased not from the carrier. They get both >> the major updates (i.e. Nougat to Oreo) as well as the security updates. > > Yes, that was my point too when I mentioned that I bought a phone > directly, and my wife got hers through the carrier. Identical phones, > non-identical update paths. > >> For phones not normally sold in the U.S. it may be different. >> >> Many phones sold in the U.S. are not purchased from the carrier. For >> example, if you buy an unlocked phone from an Apple store or from >> Apple online, it will work with any U.S. carrier. Ditto for Samsung >> phones from Samsung. You will still get the OS and security updates. > > Yes, here in NA, the idea of purchasing a phone directly from a vendor > rather than through the carrier really took off after Apple started > selling the iPhone. 50% of iPhones are directly purchased from Apple, > while 50% come through a carrier. Apple is the only one with this > culture of direct purchasing, other mfgs are mostly sold through the > carriers. > > North Americans really have no such thing as independent phone > boutiques, who sell phone models not directly associated with carriers. > In the rest of the world, you can see all kinds of makes of phones, like > Huawei, Oppo, or ZTE. Even though these phones can potentially work > here, if they aren't carried by the carriers, it's like as if they never > even existed. I'm not sure that you are correct: I'm pretty sure that Best Buy, for example (although I detest them more and more), sells phones from multiple companies and can sign the purchaser up with Verizon or AT&T (and maybe other carriers as well). Perce
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| From | "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> |
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| Date | 2018-10-11 19:19 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <2ad49f-ksg.ln1@Telcontar.valinor> |
| In reply to | #56505 |
On 11/10/2018 16.44, Percival P. Cassidy wrote: > On 10/11/18 2:30 AM, Yousuf Khan wrote: > >>> Note that unlocked phones, not provided by the carrier, still receive >>> pushed updates. I have several unlocked, non-carrier specific, >>> Motorola/Lenovo phones purchased not from the carrier. They get both >>> the major updates (i.e. Nougat to Oreo) as well as the security updates. >> >> Yes, that was my point too when I mentioned that I bought a phone >> directly, and my wife got hers through the carrier. Identical phones, >> non-identical update paths. >> >>> For phones not normally sold in the U.S. it may be different. >>> >>> Many phones sold in the U.S. are not purchased from the carrier. For >>> example, if you buy an unlocked phone from an Apple store or from >>> Apple online, it will work with any U.S. carrier. Ditto for Samsung >>> phones from Samsung. You will still get the OS and security updates. >> >> Yes, here in NA, the idea of purchasing a phone directly from a vendor >> rather than through the carrier really took off after Apple started >> selling the iPhone. 50% of iPhones are directly purchased from Apple, >> while 50% come through a carrier. Apple is the only one with this >> culture of direct purchasing, other mfgs are mostly sold through the >> carriers. >> >> North Americans really have no such thing as independent phone >> boutiques, who sell phone models not directly associated with >> carriers. In the rest of the world, you can see all kinds of makes of >> phones, like Huawei, Oppo, or ZTE. Even though these phones can >> potentially work here, if they aren't carried by the carriers, it's >> like as if they never even existed. > > I'm not sure that you are correct: I'm pretty sure that Best Buy, for > example (although I detest them more and more), sells phones from > multiple companies and can sign the purchaser up with Verizon or AT&T > (and maybe other carriers as well). I see a list of unlocked phones on their web page. <https://www.bestbuy.ca/en-ca/category/unlocked-phones/743355.aspx?> But going in person I saw very few. I suppose the correct tab is "best buy only", and then I see a single Motorola model. -- Cheers, Carlos.
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| From | Yousuf Khan <bbbl67@spammenot.yahoo.com> |
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| Date | 2018-10-12 01:46 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <hYSdnRfSArSnqF3GnZ2dnUU7-ffNnZ2d@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #56505 |
On 10/11/2018 10:44 AM, Percival P. Cassidy wrote: > I'm not sure that you are correct: I'm pretty sure that Best Buy, for > example (although I detest them more and more), sells phones from > multiple companies and can sign the purchaser up with Verizon or AT&T > (and maybe other carriers as well). > > Perce All of the phones at Best Buy and other places are just models offered by the carriers themselves. You might see a couple of dozen different phone models, from various different carriers. If you go to a phone market in Asia, for example, you'll see thousands of different phone models. Generic shops would have hundreds of phones from dozens of different mfgs. Specialized brand shops (Samsung, Oppo, Huawei, etc.) selling dozens of models just from one company, and that single-brand shop would have more selections than the entire Best Buy selection from several carriers. The models would run the gamut from $100 phones upto $1000 phones. Yousuf Khan
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| From | sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com> |
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| Date | 2018-10-12 01:52 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <pppncb$bci$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #56532 |
On 10/11/2018 10:46 PM, Yousuf Khan wrote: > On 10/11/2018 10:44 AM, Percival P. Cassidy wrote: >> I'm not sure that you are correct: I'm pretty sure that Best Buy, for >> example (although I detest them more and more), sells phones from >> multiple companies and can sign the purchaser up with Verizon or AT&T >> (and maybe other carriers as well). >> >> Perce > > All of the phones at Best Buy and other places are just models offered > by the carriers themselves. Untrue. They offer many phones that none of the carriers offer. I.e. Best Buy offers the Moto X4, the closest Android phone in size and functionality to the smaller iPhones (iPhone 8). No carriers sell the Moto X4 yet it works on all four U.S. carriers. Google does offer one higher-end version of the X4 for Project Fi and Best Buy sells that version (64GB/4GB) as well as the lower-end version (32GB/3GB). Fry's sells a variety of phones not offered by any carrier but most of them are GSM/LTE only. They also sell the unlocked versions of phones that are sold by carriers. Because these stores get a kickback from the carriers when you activate there are often some rebates. For instance when I bought a Moto X4 for $300 they offered a $50 credit on my carrier. The amusing stores in Asia are the fake Apple stores. The attention to detail is amazing, but the giveaway is that they sell other brands besides Apple <https://twobackpacksnoplan.com/2016/11/17/the-fake-apple-stores-of-xian/>. I saw these while in Xi'an.
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| From | "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> |
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| Date | 2018-10-12 14:11 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <tjf69f-11h.ln1@Telcontar.valinor> |
| In reply to | #56536 |
On 12/10/2018 10.52, sms wrote: > On 10/11/2018 10:46 PM, Yousuf Khan wrote: >> On 10/11/2018 10:44 AM, Percival P. Cassidy wrote: >>> I'm not sure that you are correct: I'm pretty sure that Best Buy, for >>> example (although I detest them more and more), sells phones from >>> multiple companies and can sign the purchaser up with Verizon or AT&T >>> (and maybe other carriers as well). >>> >>> Perce >> >> All of the phones at Best Buy and other places are just models offered >> by the carriers themselves. > > Untrue. They offer many phones that none of the carriers offer. > > I.e. Best Buy offers the Moto X4, the closest Android phone in size and > functionality to the smaller iPhones (iPhone 8). No carriers sell the > Moto X4 yet it works on all four U.S. carriers. Google does offer one > higher-end version of the X4 for Project Fi and Best Buy sells that > version (64GB/4GB) as well as the lower-end version (32GB/3GB). They do not have the Motorola G6 plus, local version. Dual SIM, 64 GB internal storage. I went to motorola.ca and searched where to purchase a G6; they pointed me to a Quebecois carrier. Motorola would not sell directly to people and would not list shops selling it direct, without a carrier contract. If I do the same search at motorola.es, then click "shop", I get a list of 8 independent shops (nation wide big shops), and no carriers. -- Cheers, Carlos.
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| From | sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com> |
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| Date | 2018-10-12 08:36 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <ppqf20$lo9$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #56542 |
On 10/12/2018 5:11 AM, Carlos E.R. wrote: <snip> > I went to motorola.ca and searched where to purchase a G6; they pointed > me to a Quebecois carrier. Motorola would not sell directly to people > and would not list shops selling it direct, without a carrier contract. > > If I do the same search at motorola.es, then click "shop", I get a list > of 8 independent shops (nation wide big shops), and no carriers. Costco here (U.S.) offers the G6 <https://www.costco.com/Moto-G6-Unlocked.product.100422868.html>, and it's offered separate from the kiosk where you can buy phones and service from Verizon, AT&T, and T-Mobile (no Sprint). Many other stores also offer it. The Moto G6 Plus does not have a North American version and is not being sold here, other than the international versions. The annoying thing about the Moto G6 Plus is that it lacks NFC. LG did the same thing with the very capable Stylo 4 quad-carrier model. They actually have several versions of the Stylo 4, one they sell at Cricket (Q710CS, GSM only, no NFC, 3GB RAM) at Metro PCS (Q710MS, GSM only, with NFC, 2GB RAM), and the unlocked version (Q710ULM) has CDMA, 3GB RAM, a lot more LTE bands, but no NFC. It's a very nice low-priced phone which sells on sale for around $250 <https://www.lg.com/us/cell-phones/lg-Q710ULM-Unlocked-stylo-4>. I have a Stylo 3 Plus from Metro PCS that I bought unlocked and use on AT&T's Cricket service. The Q710ULM is available at Best Buy and BHPhoto. The unlocked, quad-carrier model is not sold by any carriers. Best Buy offers the $50 service credit on several prepaid carriers. One of the big reasons you're seeing so many non-carrier-tied phones appearing at retail outlets is the growth of prepaid. Prepaid used to be only for people with poor credit or for criminals, who would purchase refills at convenience stores. But now most prepaid is similar to postpaid, with automatic billing to a credit card. The carriers try to differentiate their postpaid offerings from their prepaid offerings, and their Mobile Virtual Network Operators by several means, not all of which are employed by all of them. Some of the things they do are: 1. Not offering the flagship phones for sale 2. Throttling LTE data speeds 3. Not offering domestic or international roaming 4. Not offering VoLTE (though this is changing) 5. Not offering Wi-Fi calling (perplexing since this lessens their network load) 6. Charging extra for tethering (hot spot) 7. Limited customer service Currently, the best MVNO is probably RedPocket. On Verizon they don't throttle. They do offer VoLTE (at least on Verizon) though no Wi-Fi calling), they don't charge extra for tethering. They are 1/2 to 1/4 the cost of going direct to Verizon. I.e. for $21 per month you get unlimited talk & text and 3GB of LTE data (after 3GB they throttle). Boom <https://www.boom.us> is another good MVNO that offers Verizon service One Verizon MVNO, Selectel, offers domestic roaming at extra cost.
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| From | sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com> |
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| Date | 2018-10-12 08:50 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <ppqfrb$q5e$2@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #56546 |
On 10/12/2018 8:36 AM, sms wrote: > On 10/12/2018 5:11 AM, Carlos E.R. wrote: > > <snip> > >> I went to motorola.ca and searched where to purchase a G6; they pointed >> me to a Quebecois carrier. Motorola would not sell directly to people >> and would not list shops selling it direct, without a carrier contract. >> >> If I do the same search at motorola.es, then click "shop", I get a list >> of 8 independent shops (nation wide big shops), and no carriers. > > Costco here (U.S.) offers the G6 > <https://www.costco.com/Moto-G6-Unlocked.product.100422868.html>, and > it's offered separate from the kiosk where you can buy phones and > service from Verizon, AT&T, and T-Mobile (no Sprint). Many other stores > also offer it. > > The Moto G6 Plus does not have a North American version and is not being > sold here, other than the international versions. > > The annoying thing about the Moto G6 Plus is that it lacks NFC. Oops, I meant "The annoying thing about the Moto G6 is that it lacks NFC."
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| From | nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> |
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| Date | 2018-10-12 12:19 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <121020181219468575%nospam@nospam.invalid> |
| In reply to | #56546 |
In article <ppqf20$lo9$1@dont-email.me>, sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote: > > Currently, the best MVNO is probably RedPocket. you've obviously never used them.
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| From | Yousuf Khan <bbbl67@spammenot.yahoo.com> |
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| Date | 2018-10-13 13:17 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <0JydndxSNvRftV_GnZ2dnUU7-R3NnZ2d@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #56542 |
On 10/12/2018 8:11 AM, Carlos E.R. wrote: > I went to motorola.ca and searched where to purchase a G6; they pointed > me to a Quebecois carrier. Motorola would not sell directly to people > and would not list shops selling it direct, without a carrier contract. In Canada, a lot of the mfgs have partnerships with the carriers, so they do not want to undercut their partners by selling direct. But you'll probably be able to find that phone through Ebay or Amazon. Yousuf Khan
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