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| Started by | Alek <alek.trishan@gmail.com> |
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| First post | 2018-10-01 13:54 -0400 |
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Anti-virus? Alek <alek.trishan@gmail.com> - 2018-10-01 13:54 -0400
Re:Anti-virus? Libor Striz <poutnik4REMOVEnntp@CAPITALSgmail.com> - 2018-10-01 20:05 +0200
Re: Anti-virus? Alek <alek.trishan@gmail.com> - 2018-10-01 14:15 -0400
Re: Anti-virus? Calum <com.gmail@nospam.scottishwildcat> - 2018-10-01 19:55 +0100
Re: Anti-virus? Joerg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.ch> - 2018-10-01 22:11 +0200
Re: Anti-virus? Libor Striz <poutnik4REMOVEnntp@CAPITALSgmail.com> - 2018-10-02 02:14 +0200
Re: Anti-virus? Joerg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.ch> - 2018-10-02 06:18 +0200
Re: Anti-virus? Libor Striz <poutnik4REMOVEnntp@CAPITALSgmail.com> - 2018-10-02 02:34 +0200
Re: Anti-virus? Hergen Lehmann <hlehmann.expires.5-11@snafu.de> - 2018-10-01 20:49 +0200
Re: Anti-virus? Alek <alek.trishan@gmail.com> - 2018-10-01 16:03 -0400
Re: Anti-virus? Arlen H Holder <arlenh.older@no.spam.net> - 2018-10-02 02:52 +0000
Re: Anti-virus? Hergen Lehmann <hlehmann.expires.5-11@snafu.de> - 2018-10-02 10:29 +0200
Re: Anti-virus? "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2018-10-03 13:30 +0200
Re: Anti-virus? Hergen Lehmann <hlehmann.expires.5-11@snafu.de> - 2018-10-03 15:09 +0200
Re: Anti-virus? "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2018-10-03 15:31 +0200
Re: Anti-virus? Hergen Lehmann <hlehmann.expires.5-11@snafu.de> - 2018-10-03 16:33 +0200
Re: Anti-virus? Arlen H Holder <arlenh.older@no.spam.net> - 2018-10-02 02:50 +0000
Re: Anti-virus? Hergen Lehmann <hlehmann.expires.5-11@snafu.de> - 2018-10-02 10:55 +0200
Re: Anti-virus? Arlen H Holder <arlenh.older@no.spam.net> - 2018-10-02 12:32 +0000
Re: Anti-virus? 123456789 <12345@12345.com> - 2018-10-02 09:45 -0700
Re: Anti-virus? Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2018-10-02 17:54 +0000
Re: Anti-virus? 123456789 <12345@12345.com> - 2018-10-02 13:15 -0700
Re: Anti-virus? Arlen H Holder <arlenh.older@no.spam.net> - 2018-10-03 02:38 +0000
Re: Anti-virus? Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2018-10-03 10:49 +0000
Re: Anti-virus? Arlen Holder <a%rlenh.older@no.spam.net> - 2018-10-03 12:11 +0000
Re: Anti-virus? 123456789 <12345@12345.com> - 2018-10-03 08:42 -0700
Re: Anti-virus? Arlen Holder <a%rlenh.older@no.spam.net> - 2018-10-03 16:16 +0000
Re: Anti-virus? Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2018-10-03 17:32 +0000
Re: Anti-virus? Java Jive <java@evij.com.invalid> - 2018-10-03 19:02 +0100
Re: Anti-virus? Hergen Lehmann <hlehmann.expires.5-11@snafu.de> - 2018-10-03 20:13 +0200
Re: Anti-virus? Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2018-10-03 20:09 +0000
Re: Anti-virus? Hergen Lehmann <hlehmann.expires.5-11@snafu.de> - 2018-10-03 23:23 +0200
Re: Anti-virus? Arlen Holder <a%rlenh.older@no.spam.net> - 2018-10-04 13:06 +0000
Re: Anti-virus? Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2018-10-04 15:02 +0000
Google does *not* track *you*! (was: Anti-virus?) Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2018-10-04 15:44 +0000
Re: Google does *not* track *you*! 123456789 <12345@12345.com> - 2018-10-04 09:10 -0700
Re: Google does *not* track *you*! "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2018-10-07 22:03 +0200
Re: Google does *not* track *you*! 123456789 <12345@12345.com> - 2018-10-07 14:23 -0700
Re: Google does *not* track *you*! Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2018-10-04 17:07 +0000
Re: Anti-virus? 123456789 <12345@12345.com> - 2018-10-04 09:10 -0700
Re: Anti-virus? Arlen H Holder <arlenh.older@no.spam.net> - 2018-10-03 02:36 +0000
Re: Anti-virus? Arlen H Holder <arlenh.older@no.spam.net> - 2018-10-03 02:34 +0000
Re: Anti-virus? 123456789 <12345@12345.com> - 2018-10-02 20:33 -0700
Re: Anti-virus? Arlen Holder <a%rlenh.older@no.spam.net> - 2018-10-03 04:30 +0000
Re: Anti-virus? 123456789 <12345@12345.com> - 2018-10-02 22:13 -0700
Re: Anti-virus? Arlen Holder <a%rlenh.older@no.spam.net> - 2018-10-03 12:52 +0000
Re: Anti-virus? "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2018-10-03 15:09 +0200
Re: Anti-virus? Arlen Holder <a%rlenh.older@no.spam.net> - 2018-10-03 15:40 +0000
Re: Anti-virus? 123456789 <12345@12345.com> - 2018-10-03 08:42 -0700
Re: Anti-virus? Arlen Holder <a%rlenh.older@no.spam.net> - 2018-10-03 16:16 +0000
Re: Anti-virus? 123456789 <12345@12345.com> - 2018-10-03 15:52 -0700
Re: Anti-virus? Arlen Holder <a%rlenh.older@no.spam.net> - 2018-10-03 23:31 +0000
Re: Anti-virus? 123456789 <123456@123456.com> - 2018-10-03 21:21 -0700
Re: Anti-virus? Arlen Holder <a%rlenh.older@no.spam.net> - 2018-10-04 13:07 +0000
Re: Anti-virus? 123456789 <12345@12345.com> - 2018-10-04 09:10 -0700
Re: Anti-virus? "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2018-10-03 13:37 +0200
Re: Anti-virus? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-10-03 08:44 -0400
Re: Anti-virus? Arlen Holder <a%rlenh.older@no.spam.net> - 2018-10-03 12:52 +0000
Re: Anti-virus? "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2018-10-03 15:06 +0200
Re: Anti-virus? Arlen Holder <a%rlenh.older@no.spam.net> - 2018-10-03 15:40 +0000
Re: Anti-virus? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2018-10-07 20:41 +0200
Re: Anti-virus? Arlen Holder <a%rlenh.older@no.spam.net> - 2018-10-08 15:00 +0000
Re: Anti-virus? Hergen Lehmann <hlehmann.expires.5-11@snafu.de> - 2018-10-02 20:42 +0200
Re: Anti-virus? "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2018-10-03 13:44 +0200
Re: Anti-virus? Arlen Holder <a%rlenh.older@no.spam.net> - 2018-10-03 12:52 +0000
Re: Anti-virus? "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2018-10-03 15:14 +0200
Re: Anti-virus? Hergen Lehmann <hlehmann.expires.5-11@snafu.de> - 2018-10-03 15:31 +0200
Re: Anti-virus? "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2018-10-03 17:47 +0200
Re: Anti-virus? Arlen Holder <a%rlenh.older@no.spam.net> - 2018-10-03 16:16 +0000
Re: Anti-virus? Hergen Lehmann <hlehmann.expires.5-11@snafu.de> - 2018-10-03 18:20 +0200
Re: Anti-virus? Arlen Holder <a%rlenh.older@no.spam.net> - 2018-10-03 17:18 +0000
Re: Anti-virus? Arlen Holder <a%rlenh.older@no.spam.net> - 2018-10-03 15:39 +0000
Re: Anti-virus? "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2018-10-03 17:49 +0200
Re: Anti-virus? Arlen Holder <a%rlenh.older@no.spam.net> - 2018-10-03 16:16 +0000
Re: Anti-virus? Hergen Lehmann <hlehmann.expires.5-11@snafu.de> - 2018-10-03 15:28 +0200
Re: Anti-virus? Arlen Holder <a%rlenh.older@no.spam.net> - 2018-10-03 15:39 +0000
Re: Anti-virus? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2018-10-07 20:48 +0200
Re: Anti-virus? Hergen Lehmann <hlehmann.expires.5-11@snafu.de> - 2018-10-07 21:40 +0200
Re: Anti-virus? Alek <alek.trishan@gmail.com> - 2018-10-02 19:33 -0400
Re: Anti-virus? Arlen H Holder <arlenh.older@no.spam.net> - 2018-10-03 02:40 +0000
Re: Anti-virus? Alek <alek.trishan@gmail.com> - 2018-10-03 13:55 -0400
Re: Anti-virus? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-10-03 14:08 -0400
Re: Anti-virus? Arlen Holder <a%rlenh.older@no.spam.net> - 2018-10-04 13:07 +0000
Re: Anti-virus? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-10-04 10:03 -0400
Re: Anti-virus? Arlen Holder <a%rlenh.older@no.spam.net> - 2018-10-06 02:56 +0000
Re: Anti-virus? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2018-10-07 20:50 +0200
Re: Anti-virus? Arlen Holder <a%rlenh.older@no.spam.net> - 2018-10-08 15:00 +0000
Re: Anti-virus? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2018-10-07 20:54 +0200
Re: Anti-virus? Arlen H Holder <arlenh.older@no.spam.net> - 2018-10-02 02:47 +0000
Re: Anti-virus? Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2018-10-04 13:14 +0100
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| From | "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> |
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| Date | 2018-10-07 20:41 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <lj0q8f-aur.ln1@Telcontar.valinor> |
| In reply to | #56220 |
On 03/10/2018 17.40, Arlen Holder wrote: > On Wed, 3 Oct 2018 15:06:37 +0200, Carlos E. R. wrote: > >>> Those reasons are completely unrelated to the security of phones. >> >> Which they say are safe, thus not an issue. > > Since I know you, Carlos, to be intelligent, instead of you asking stupid > questions, we should work together to edify others who to turn OFF all the > Google data collection. > > I've done it over the years, but I don't have all the tricks assembled into > a single location. > > Do you? That is not a security issue, it is about privacy. In fact, some times I do like google collecting data and find it useful. -- Cheers, Carlos.
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| From | Arlen Holder <a%rlenh.older@no.spam.net> |
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| Date | 2018-10-08 15:00 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <ppfrel$hnu$1@news.mixmin.net> |
| In reply to | #56339 |
On Sun, 7 Oct 2018 20:41:25 +0200, Carlos E.R. wrote: > That is not a security issue, it is about privacy. In fact, some times I > do like google collecting data and find it useful. Please see (and improve) this thread for added-value details intended to be subsequently *improved* by those who have the capabilities to improve Android setup for either or both privacy & security (so that all benefit from combined effort from knowledgeable adults on this ng): What are the common settings to change on an Android 7.0 Nougat phone for privacy? <https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/comp.mobile.android/b9Ck9JSyKXY>
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| From | Hergen Lehmann <hlehmann.expires.5-11@snafu.de> |
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| Date | 2018-10-02 20:42 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <eqqc8f-p1u.ln1@hergen.dyndns.org> |
| In reply to | #56174 |
Am 02.10.2018 um 14:32 schrieb Arlen H Holder: >> Location data. > > Ah. Very good point. I missed that, but there's a reason I missed it. > HINT: I have location turned off, plus reporting of BSSIDs turned off. Even with GPS and WIFI scanning off, you can still be tracked based on cell tower data. Depending on the environment, this may become quite accurate (picocells within a building...). Also, google services do run with root permissions, so they can easily bypass any configuration switch you may have set. There are indications, that google is indeed collecting some SSID data even when scanning is set to "off". > In addition to facial recognition algorithms... > We published a report that showed a _single_ photo can fingerprint a phone. Yeah. Browser fingerprinting also is frightening accurate. Disclose your identify to only one site, and all other sites using the same ad network will know it, too. > Thanks for _adding value_ to the equation! > It's rare that anyone can do that. Thanks.
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| From | "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> |
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| Date | 2018-10-03 13:44 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <g1jockFksufU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #56180 |
On 02/10/2018 20.42, Hergen Lehmann wrote:
> Am 02.10.2018 um 14:32 schrieb Arlen H Holder:
>
>>> Location data.
>>
>> Ah. Very good point. I missed that, but there's a reason I missed it.
>> HINT: I have location turned off, plus reporting of BSSIDs turned off.
>
> Even with GPS and WIFI scanning off, you can still be tracked based on
> cell tower data. Depending on the environment, this may become quite
> accurate (picocells within a building...).
Of course they can. You simply have to trust the Android system not to
pass this information to apps. In this situation the most a web page or
app can do is gleaning the position from the current IP address. Maybe
from the WiFI SSID, if it has that permission to read it.
However, authorities still can track the phones, even dumb phones. Not
by doing anything on the phones, but by correlating tower logs, ie, by
asking the ISP to find the location of any phone in the past. Hopefully
with a search warrant.
--
Cheers,
Carlos E.R.
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| From | Arlen Holder <a%rlenh.older@no.spam.net> |
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| Date | 2018-10-03 12:52 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <pp2e2q$v23$1@news.mixmin.net> |
| In reply to | #56202 |
On Wed, 3 Oct 2018 13:44:19 +0200, Carlos E. R. wrote: > Of course they can. You simply have to trust the Android system not to > pass this information to apps. I have specific apps on my cellphone which report cellular tower information to *me*... <http://www.bild.me/bild.php?file=88809410.jpg> That includes the femtocells & cellular repeaters in my own home: <http://www.bild.me/bild.php?file=57046143.jpg> Let's hope, they don't report that same information to the mother ship. <http://www.bild.me/bild.php?file=52538241.jpg> > In this situation the most a web page or > app can do is gleaning the position from the current IP address. Maybe > from the WiFI SSID, if it has that permission to read it. Certainly an app can gain critical location information from both the cellular tower and from the internal GPS chip. The question is whether that app reports back to the mother ship. (Let's hope they don't although that can be circumvented by LE.) > However, authorities still can track the phones, even dumb phones. Yup, Easy peasy. No consumer cellular phone is secure. > Not > by doing anything on the phones, but by correlating tower logs, ie, by > asking the ISP to find the location of any phone in the past. Hopefully > with a search warrant. It used to be, I think, that LE didn't even need a search warrant. All they had to do, as I recall, is ask. I'm not sure what the status is currently as the Supreme Court is slowly getting more technical (but very slowly).
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| From | "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> |
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| Date | 2018-10-03 15:14 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <g1jtktFluasU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #56206 |
On 03/10/2018 14.52, Arlen Holder wrote:
> On Wed, 3 Oct 2018 13:44:19 +0200, Carlos E. R. wrote:
>
>> Of course they can. You simply have to trust the Android system not to
>> pass this information to apps.
>
> I have specific apps on my cellphone which report cellular tower
> information to *me*...
> <http://www.bild.me/bild.php?file=88809410.jpg>
>
> That includes the femtocells & cellular repeaters in my own home:
> <http://www.bild.me/bild.php?file=57046143.jpg>
>
> Let's hope, they don't report that same information to the mother ship.
> <http://www.bild.me/bild.php?file=52538241.jpg>
And? It is not reporting the position.
>
>> In this situation the most a web page or
>> app can do is gleaning the position from the current IP address. Maybe
>> from the WiFI SSID, if it has that permission to read it.
>
> Certainly an app can gain critical location information from both the
> cellular tower and from the internal GPS chip.
No, they can't. You have nor proved that.
Note: displaying cell power is not "location". Not even displaying the
cell "ID".
--
Cheers,
Carlos E.R.
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| From | Hergen Lehmann <hlehmann.expires.5-11@snafu.de> |
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| Date | 2018-10-03 15:31 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <9vse8f-jb2.ln1@hergen.dyndns.org> |
| In reply to | #56211 |
Am 03.10.2018 um 15:14 schrieb Carlos E. R.: > Note: displaying cell power is not "location". Not even displaying the > cell "ID". There are public databases which translate cell IDs into locations. The power gives some indication about the distance from the tower, and the sequence of cells also about the direction you are traveling in...
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| From | "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> |
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| Date | 2018-10-03 17:47 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <g1k6jtFno20U1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #56215 |
On 03/10/2018 15.31, Hergen Lehmann wrote:
> Am 03.10.2018 um 15:14 schrieb Carlos E. R.:
>
>> Note: displaying cell power is not "location". Not even displaying the
>> cell "ID".
>
> There are public databases which translate cell IDs into locations.
Link?
> The power gives some indication about the distance from the tower, and
> the sequence of cells also about the direction you are traveling in...
Very rough location. Like a kilometer error, in a circle around the tower...
--
Cheers,
Carlos E.R.
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| From | Arlen Holder <a%rlenh.older@no.spam.net> |
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| Date | 2018-10-03 16:16 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <pp2q11$h3f$3@news.mixmin.net> |
| In reply to | #56224 |
On Wed, 3 Oct 2018 17:47:09 +0200, Carlos E. R. wrote: >> There are public databases which translate cell IDs into locations. > > Link? You've got to be kidding? You're really _that_ stupid, Carlos? Really? How many freaking times have we discussed this topic of location of cell towers for God's sake. Are you _that_ clueless Carlos? I _thought_ you were more intelligent than that. Really. Why you _prove_ you're just another clueless moron, is beyond me. HINT: I must have a half dozen threads on this topic alone. (That's because "my" cell towers are NOT in the Internet databases!) >> The power gives some indication about the distance from the tower, and >> the sequence of cells also about the direction you are traveling in... > > Very rough location. Like a kilometer error, in a circle around the tower... Now you're just playing silly games, Carlos. Instead of playing silly games, why don't you use what I thought was intelligence, to help others set up their phones to NOT report location-specific information?
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| From | Hergen Lehmann <hlehmann.expires.5-11@snafu.de> |
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| Date | 2018-10-03 18:20 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <3r6f8f-3f8.ln1@hergen.dyndns.org> |
| In reply to | #56224 |
Am 03.10.2018 um 17:47 schrieb Carlos E. R.: >> There are public databases which translate cell IDs into locations. > > Link? https://www.opencellid.org/ plus several commercial services. >> The power gives some indication about the distance from the tower, and >> the sequence of cells also about the direction you are traveling in... > > Very rough location. Like a kilometer error, in a circle around the tower... The phone does not only report the current cell, it reports multiple surrounding cells with associated power. This allows for an approximate cross bearing. Also, cells may become really small in dense urban areas. So-called "picocells" do only measure 200 meters, and "femtocells" may even be limited to the inside of a single store.
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| From | Arlen Holder <a%rlenh.older@no.spam.net> |
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| Date | 2018-10-03 17:18 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <pp2tlt$m7v$1@news.mixmin.net> |
| In reply to | #56232 |
On Wed, 3 Oct 2018 18:20:18 +0200, Hergen Lehmann wrote: > https://www.opencellid.org/ > plus several commercial services. As noted, I have plenty of threads on this topic that Carlos apparently is ignorant of, where there are two distinctly different types of cell tower IDs. a. The kind that are inside my own home (I have two types in my house) b. The type that is the normal kind, on actual towers Only that second type, admittedly the vast majority, are on the Internet-based databases. I'm actually shocked that Carlos asked the question he asked, since, if it was an innocent question, it would be fine, but it seems he was just playing silly childish games with us since _everyone_ knows of the information above. >>> The power gives some indication about the distance from the tower, and >>> the sequence of cells also about the direction you are traveling in... >> >> Very rough location. Like a kilometer error, in a circle around the tower... > > The phone does not only report the current cell, it reports multiple > surrounding cells with associated power. This allows for an approximate > cross bearing. > > Also, cells may become really small in dense urban areas. So-called > "picocells" do only measure 200 meters, and "femtocells" may even be > limited to the inside of a single store. Since my house is rather large, and since I'm in a rural area, I have both a femtocell inside my house and a completely different cellular repeater. <http://www.bild.me/bild.php?file=57046143.jpg> In practice, I can tell which my phone is using because the femtocell has its own specific ID which is NOT in an Internet database, while the repeater simply repeats the cell-tower ID of whatever tower it is repeating, where that changes from moment to moment among seemingly dozens. As a related aside, on iOS, none of this information is possible, which is why I have LOTS of threads on this topic, since I try to solve iOS problems so that iOS can do what Android can do - where only the repeater's IDs show up in the Internet databases (for the obvious reasons). Hence, in "my" specific case, if my phone reported the "repeated" cell-tower ID, it could be of a cell tower twenty miles away, but if the phone reported the "femtocell" ID, it's only a few feet away. Having said that, I realize that most people don't have the equipment I have, so for most people, the cell tower is not being repeated inside their own home. Back to my main point though ... there are one or two or three people on this ng who are actually intelligent. It would be nice to pool that actual intelligence to HELP PEOPLE set up their phones so that the phone doesn't report back to the mother ship things that the user doesn't want reported. That's more useful than playing the silly games Carlos is playing with us.
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| From | Arlen Holder <a%rlenh.older@no.spam.net> |
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| Date | 2018-10-03 15:39 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <pp2nse$e4g$2@news.mixmin.net> |
| In reply to | #56211 |
On Wed, 3 Oct 2018 15:14:04 +0200, Carlos E. R. wrote: > And? It is not reporting the position. I'm not sure why you, Carlos, are playing childish fifth-grade games. It's a fact that I have apps on my phone which can report - The location, the IP address, movement, and direction - Accurate BSSIDs of all available WiFi access points - Accurate tower IDs of all visible SIM-specific cell towers - The IMEI, network, battery, and tons of other hardware info etc. What's your point in playing silly games Carlos? Why not use your appreciable intelligence to _improve_ our security? Let's work together, for example, to disseminate information on how to *block* or *detect* the transmission of our sensitive data to places we don't want it disseminated. That would be a lot more effort on your part than playing silly games. >> Certainly an app can gain critical location information from both the >> cellular tower and from the internal GPS chip. > > No, they can't. You have nor proved that. Why not stop playing silly games, Carlos, and improve the knowledge here? It's clear that the wardriving apps know not only physical location, but signal strength of all available WiFi APs and cellular towers. <https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=de.carknue.gmon2> For you to play your silly games, Carlos, just wastes my time, and yours. > Note: displaying cell power is not "location". > Not even displaying the cell "ID". Please stop wasting everyone's time with your silly games, Carlos. You are only proving that you've never comprehended what a wardriving app actually does for Christs' sake. <https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=net.wigle.wigleandroid> Why don't you re-focus your appreciable intelligence, Chris, on *improving* our capabilities to detect and block any of that information from being disseminated outside our control?
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| From | "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> |
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| Date | 2018-10-03 17:49 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <g1k6osFno20U2@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #56219 |
On 03/10/2018 17.39, Arlen Holder wrote:
> On Wed, 3 Oct 2018 15:14:04 +0200, Carlos E. R. wrote:
>
>> And? It is not reporting the position.
>
> I'm not sure why you, Carlos, are playing childish fifth-grade games.
>
> It's a fact that I have apps on my phone which can report
> - The location, the IP address, movement, and direction
> - Accurate BSSIDs of all available WiFi access points
> - Accurate tower IDs of all visible SIM-specific cell towers
> - The IMEI, network, battery, and tons of other hardware info
> etc.
>
Prove it. Show the photos. You did not. Prove that your app show
accurate location with phone location services disabled. And stop
calling names, I did not call you silly or childish.
Yes, it shows SSID, etc. That's not a geographic location.
--
Cheers,
Carlos E.R.
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| From | Arlen Holder <a%rlenh.older@no.spam.net> |
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| Date | 2018-10-03 16:16 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <pp2q10$h3f$2@news.mixmin.net> |
| In reply to | #56226 |
On Wed, 3 Oct 2018 17:49:48 +0200, Carlos E. R. wrote: > Prove it. Show the photos. You did not. Prove that your app show > accurate location with phone location services disabled. And stop > calling names, I did not call you silly or childish. > > Yes, it shows SSID, etc. That's not a geographic location. Jesus Christ Carlos. Stop playing silly games. You're wasting everyone's time on your silly childish games. I have threads on *every* one of the things I wrote about, for Christs' sake, Carlos. You are simply proving you are _ignorant_ of the most basic of facts.
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| From | Hergen Lehmann <hlehmann.expires.5-11@snafu.de> |
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| Date | 2018-10-03 15:28 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <5pse8f-jb2.ln1@hergen.dyndns.org> |
| In reply to | #56202 |
Am 03.10.2018 um 13:44 schrieb Carlos E. R.: > Of course they can. You simply have to trust the Android system not to > pass this information to apps. Even if the system doesn't pass the information to apps, the info will be passed to google. The google services play an integral and important role in the location services of the Android system. > In this situation the most a web page or > app can do is gleaning the position from the current IP address. The operator can also ask google. Location-aware "real time bidding" is *THE* big thing in online marketing these days... > However, authorities still can track the phones, even dumb phones. Not > by doing anything on the phones, but by correlating tower logs, ie, by > asking the ISP to find the location of any phone in the past. Hopefully > with a search warrant. The use of IMSI catchers is also widespread in many countries. And they certainly do *NOT* have a search warrant for all the innocent people "accidentally" captured and logged by these things.
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| From | Arlen Holder <a%rlenh.older@no.spam.net> |
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| Date | 2018-10-03 15:39 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <pp2nsd$e4g$1@news.mixmin.net> |
| In reply to | #56213 |
On Wed, 3 Oct 2018 15:28:37 +0200, Hergen Lehmann wrote: > The use of IMSI catchers is also widespread in many countries. And they > certainly do *NOT* have a search warrant for all the innocent people > "accidentally" captured and logged by these things. In the USA, we *pay* our own government to (illegally, IMHO) spy on us! How the FBI and Local Police are now spying on you too (not just the NSA!) <http://preparedgunowners.com/2015/06/09/how-the-fbi-and-local-police-are-now-spying-on-you-too-not-just-the-nsa/> They ruin our quality of life since, even though we're doing nothing wrong, every time I see a Cessna overhead, it's like I feel that a mountain lion is hungrily watching me ... just getting ready to pounce for no good reason other than the mountain lion is hungry for a fresh kill. What do you think of these types of "warning" cell spy catcher programs? <https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.skibapps.cellspycatcher>
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| From | "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> |
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| Date | 2018-10-07 20:48 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <411q8f-b9s.ln1@Telcontar.valinor> |
| In reply to | #56213 |
On 03/10/2018 15.28, Hergen Lehmann wrote: > Am 03.10.2018 um 13:44 schrieb Carlos E. R.: > >> Of course they can. You simply have to trust the Android system not to >> pass this information to apps. > > Even if the system doesn't pass the information to apps, the info will > be passed to google. The google services play an integral and important > role in the location services of the Android system. > >> In this situation the most a web page or >> app can do is gleaning the position from the current IP address. > > The operator can also ask google. Location-aware "real time bidding" is > *THE* big thing in online marketing these days... By operator you mean the phone service operator or company? Because it is the other way round, they ask the operator to return the location of the phone via triangulation of the tower signals. > >> However, authorities still can track the phones, even dumb phones. Not >> by doing anything on the phones, but by correlating tower logs, ie, by >> asking the ISP to find the location of any phone in the past. Hopefully >> with a search warrant. > > The use of IMSI catchers is also widespread in many countries. And they > certainly do *NOT* have a search warrant for all the innocent people > "accidentally" captured and logged by these things. Mmm. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IMSI-catcher From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia An international mobile subscriber identity-catcher, or IMSI-catcher, is a telephone eavesdropping device used for intercepting mobile phone traffic and tracking location data of mobile phone users.[1] Essentially a "fake" mobile tower acting between the target mobile phone and the service provider's real towers, it is considered a man-in-the-middle (MITM) attack. The 3G wireless standard offers some risk mitigation due to mutual authentication required from both the handset and the network.[2] However, sophisticated attacks may be able to downgrade 3G and LTE to non-LTE network services which do not require mutual authentication.[3] IMSI-catchers are used in the United States and other countries by law enforcement and intelligence agencies, but their use has raised significant civil liberty and privacy concerns and is strictly regulated in some countries such as under the German Strafprozessordnung (StPO / Code of Criminal Procedure).[1][4] Some countries do not have encrypted phone data traffic (or very weak encryption), thus rendering an IMSI-catcher unnecessary. -- Cheers, Carlos.
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| From | Hergen Lehmann <hlehmann.expires.5-11@snafu.de> |
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| Date | 2018-10-07 21:40 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <b24q8f-sa7.ln1@hergen.dyndns.org> |
| In reply to | #56343 |
Am 07.10.2018 um 20:48 schrieb Carlos E.R.: >>> In this situation the most a web page or >>> app can do is gleaning the position from the current IP address. >> >> The operator can also ask google. Location-aware "real time bidding" is >> *THE* big thing in online marketing these days... > > By operator you mean the phone service operator or company? Because it > is the other way round, they ask the operator to return the location of > the phone via triangulation of the tower signals. I was thinking about web site operators, which can get a lot of user information from the ad networks they participate in. Especially if they participate both as an advertiser and as a site displaying ads. > IMSI-catchers are used in the United States and other countries by law > enforcement and intelligence agencies, but their use has raised > significant civil liberty and privacy concerns and is strictly regulated > in some countries such as under the German Strafprozessordnung (StPO / > Code of Criminal Procedure).[1][4] This regulation can hardly be called strict. Basically, the use of technical surveillance (including IMSI catchers) is allowed whenever there is the suspicion that some target person(s) are planning or did commit a crime. This is fulfilled for almost every political demonstration where extremists are expected to show up. And of course, the use of IMSI catchers and other technical surveillance methods has skyrocketed in germany, too. > Some countries do not have encrypted > phone data traffic (or very weak encryption), thus rendering an > IMSI-catcher unnecessary. In most cases, they are not interested in the traffic, but in meta-information (who was in the area), so encryption does not matter. The advantage of using an IMSI catcher over asking the phone operator is, that they get the desired information in real time and without having to go through a legal authorization process. Of course, they are required to delete unneeded information afterwards (at least here in germany) - but the definition of unneeded is rather vague, and nobody is able to verify the deletion.
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| From | Alek <alek.trishan@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2018-10-02 19:33 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <pp0v8i$5ro$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #56166 |
Arlen H Holder wrote on 10/1/2018 10:50 PM: > > I realize you'll say "banking", but only a fool does banking on the phone. Why do you say that? Thanks.
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| From | Arlen H Holder <arlenh.older@no.spam.net> |
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| Date | 2018-10-03 02:40 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <pp1a6e$33r$1@news.mixmin.net> |
| In reply to | #56183 |
On Tue, 2 Oct 2018 19:33:34 -0400, Alek wrote: >> I realize you'll say "banking", but only a fool does banking on the phone. > > Why do you say that? Simple answer which may be too obvious for what you're asking. 1. Banking is something that needs to be secure. 2. Phones are not secure.
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