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  Nexus 7 not going to receive Nougat update. Timreason <timreason@hotmail.co.uk> - 2016-08-24 08:56 +0100
    Re: Nexus 7 not going to receive Nougat update. Roger Mills <watt.tyler@gmail.com> - 2016-08-24 09:45 +0100
    Re: Nexus 7 not going to receive Nougat update. "Jeff Gaines" <jgaines_newsid@yahoo.co.uk> - 2016-08-24 09:20 +0000
      Re: Nexus 7 not going to receive Nougat update. Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2016-08-24 17:22 +0000
        Re: Nexus 7 not going to receive Nougat update. Tim <timothybil@yahoo.com> - 2016-08-24 20:08 -0500
      Re: Nexus 7 not going to receive Nougat update. nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-08-24 14:22 -0400
      Re: Nexus 7 not going to receive Nougat update. AL <noemail@none.com> - 2016-08-24 13:33 -0700
    Re: Nexus 7 not going to receive Nougat update. Tim <timothybil@yahoo.com> - 2016-08-24 11:42 -0500
    Re: Nexus 7 not going to receive Nougat update. Whiskers <catwheezel@operamail.com> - 2016-08-24 19:05 +0100
      Re: Nexus 7 not going to receive Nougat update. nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-08-24 14:22 -0400
        Re: Nexus 7 not going to receive Nougat update. Timreason <timreason@hotmail.co.uk> - 2016-08-24 19:43 +0100
          Re: Nexus 7 not going to receive Nougat update. nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-08-24 14:57 -0400
            Re: Nexus 7 not going to receive Nougat update. Alek <alek.trishan@gmail.com> - 2016-08-24 15:00 -0400
              Re: Nexus 7 not going to receive Nougat update. nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-08-24 15:04 -0400
                Re: Nexus 7 not going to receive Nougat update. Alek <alek.trishan@gmail.com> - 2016-08-24 15:47 -0400
                  Re: Nexus 7 not going to receive Nougat update. nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-08-24 16:56 -0400
                    Re: Nexus 7 not going to receive Nougat update. Alek <alek.trishan@gmail.com> - 2016-08-24 18:57 -0400
                    Re: Nexus 7 not going to receive Nougat update. Timreason <timreason@hotmail.co.uk> - 2016-08-25 08:01 +0100
                      Re: Nexus 7 not going to receive Nougat update. tlvp <mPiOsUcB.EtLlLvEp@att.net> - 2017-01-17 01:24 -0500
                    Re: Nexus 7 not going to receive Nougat update. "Jeff Gaines" <jgaines_newsid@yahoo.co.uk> - 2016-08-25 07:37 +0000
            Re: Nexus 7 not going to receive Nougat update. "Ivan D. Reid" <Ivan.Reid@ivan.fsnet.co.uk> - 2016-08-24 22:47 +0000
              Re: Nexus 7 not going to receive Nougat update. David Taylor <david-taylor@blueyonder.co.uk.invalid> - 2016-08-25 10:04 +0100
                Re: Nexus 7 not going to receive Nougat update. Timreason <timreason@hotmail.co.uk> - 2016-08-25 11:23 +0100
                Re: Nexus 7 not going to receive Nougat update. Nigel Wade <nmw@local.domain> - 2016-08-25 14:28 +0100
                  Re: Nexus 7 not going to receive Nougat update. Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2016-08-25 14:35 +0000
                    Re: Nexus 7 not going to receive Nougat update. tlvp <mPiOsUcB.EtLlLvEp@att.net> - 2017-01-17 01:39 -0500
                      Re: Nexus 7 not going to receive Nougat update. David Taylor <david-taylor@blueyonder.co.uk.invalid> - 2017-01-17 11:23 +0000
                        Re: Nexus 7 not going to receive Nougat update. tlvp <mPiOsUcB.EtLlLvEp@att.net> - 2017-01-17 18:38 -0500
                  Re: Nexus 7 not going to receive Nougat update. David Taylor <david-taylor@blueyonder.co.uk.invalid> - 2016-08-25 17:34 +0100
                  Re: Nexus 7 not going to receive Nougat update. tlvp <mPiOsUcB.EtLlLvEp@att.net> - 2017-01-17 01:35 -0500
                    Re: Nexus 7 not going to receive Nougat update. nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2017-01-17 01:40 -0500
                      Re: Nexus 7 not going to receive Nougat update. tlvp <mPiOsUcB.EtLlLvEp@att.net> - 2017-01-17 18:46 -0500
                        Re: Nexus 7 not going to receive Nougat update. nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2017-01-17 19:56 -0500
                          Re: Nexus 7 not going to receive Nougat update. tlvp <mPiOsUcB.EtLlLvEp@att.net> - 2017-01-18 01:12 -0500
                            Re: Nexus 7 not going to receive Nougat update. AL <4567784747@invalid.com> - 2017-01-18 09:20 -0700
                            Re: Nexus 7 not going to receive Nougat update. nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2017-01-18 12:46 -0500
                    Re: Nexus 7 not going to receive Nougat update. David Taylor <david-taylor@blueyonder.co.uk.invalid> - 2017-01-17 11:27 +0000
                      Re: Nexus 7 not going to receive Nougat update. tlvp <mPiOsUcB.EtLlLvEp@att.net> - 2017-01-17 18:50 -0500
                        Re: Nexus 7 not going to receive Nougat update. nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2017-01-17 19:56 -0500
                        Re: Nexus 7 not going to receive Nougat update. David Taylor <david-taylor@blueyonder.co.uk.invalid> - 2017-01-18 09:00 +0000
            Re: Nexus 7 not going to receive Nougat update. tlvp <mPiOsUcB.EtLlLvEp@att.net> - 2017-01-17 01:15 -0500
              Re: Nexus 7 not going to receive Nougat update. VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> - 2017-01-17 00:52 -0600
                Re: Nexus 7 not going to receive Nougat update. tlvp <mPiOsUcB.EtLlLvEp@att.net> - 2017-01-17 18:53 -0500
                  Re: Nexus 7 not going to receive Nougat update. I R A Darth Aggie <n0b0dy@invalid.invalid> - 2017-01-18 19:30 +0000

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#33633

On Wed, 24 Aug 2016 14:57:35 -0400, nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid>
 wrote in <240820161457359967%nospam@nospam.invalid>:
> In article <npkps9$q8e$1@dont-email.me>, Timreason
><timreason@hotmail.co.uk> wrote:

>> >> I don't know why Google seem to have taken against the 7" size of
>> >> tablet.  Nor why everyone seems to have taken against the 3" smartphone.

>> > because they have a very good idea of what sizes are the most popular.

>> I'm surprised if the 7" tablet isn't popular. I don't see much point in 
>> going smaller, since then I might as well use my phone. Going larger 
>> means you need to carry a bag of some sort.

> why carry both? if you have a 5-6" phone, do you really need a 7"
> tablet?

	I have no phone.  I have a Nexus 7.  And an N7 MkI (I got the MkII 
after smashing the MkI's screen on a plane to Hong Kong; I later replaced 
the broken screen), and a Transformer TF101[10].  Where's my upgrade path?

[10] OK, and a Tesco/Viglen 8.9" W10 tablet when they were selling them
cheap, but most W10 software doesn't recognise the touchscreen.  I finally
worked out how to access the BIOS configuration pages -- guess what? They
don't work with the touchscreen, and the virtual keyboard isn't available
outside the OS!

-- 
Ivan Reid, School of Engineering & Design, _____________  CMS Collaboration,
Brunel University.    Ivan.Reid@[brunel.ac.uk|cern.ch]    Room 40-1-B12, CERN

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#33640

On 24/08/2016 23:47, Ivan D. Reid wrote:
[]
> [10] OK, and a Tesco/Viglen 8.9" W10 tablet when they were selling them
> cheap, but most W10 software doesn't recognise the touchscreen.  I finally
> worked out how to access the BIOS configuration pages -- guess what? They
> don't work with the touchscreen, and the virtual keyboard isn't available
> outside the OS!

You might like to look at the Linx 1010B:

   https://www.amazon.co.uk/Linx-1010B-10-1-Tablet-Black/dp/B014D847FS

which includes a keyboard and two full-size USB ports.  Runs the most 
recent version of Windows-10 without problems.  Windows-10 also runs on 
a 2008 laptop here.

As a Nexus-7 owner (2013) I'm very disappointed that Google is offering 
far less than even Microsoft does.  I can run Win-10 on a 2008 dual 
core, 2 GB laptop, but I can't (it seems) be allowed to run official 
Android 7 on a 2 GB, 4-core tablet.
-- 
Cheers,
David
Web: http://www.satsignal.eu

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#33641

On 25/08/2016 10:04, David Taylor wrote:

>
> As a Nexus-7 owner (2013) I'm very disappointed that Google is offering
> far less than even Microsoft does.  I can run Win-10 on a 2008 dual
> core, 2 GB laptop, but I can't (it seems) be allowed to run official
> Android 7 on a 2 GB, 4-core tablet.

Yes, precisely. That's how I feel. I don't really doubt that the Nexus 7 
hardware would be capable of running Nougat, so it seems to be meanness 
on their part, and make me more likely to drop Android for a Windows 10 
device. That's the only way to vote, by not buying their products.

If they were really serious about wanting a greater take-up of Nougat, 
why not follow Microsoft's example? I'm very happy with Windows 10 and 
am running it on both my current laptop and my old HP cheapie one. My 
current laptop has touch screen, so I know how Windows 10 works with touch.

Tim.

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#33643

On 25/08/16 10:04, David Taylor wrote:
> On 24/08/2016 23:47, Ivan D. Reid wrote:
> []
>> [10] OK, and a Tesco/Viglen 8.9" W10 tablet when they were selling them
>> cheap, but most W10 software doesn't recognise the touchscreen.  I finally
>> worked out how to access the BIOS configuration pages -- guess what? They
>> don't work with the touchscreen, and the virtual keyboard isn't available
>> outside the OS!
>
> You might like to look at the Linx 1010B:
>
>   https://www.amazon.co.uk/Linx-1010B-10-1-Tablet-Black/dp/B014D847FS
>
> which includes a keyboard and two full-size USB ports.  Runs the most recent version of Windows-10 without problems.  Windows-10 also runs on a 2008 laptop here.
>
> As a Nexus-7 owner (2013) I'm very disappointed that Google is offering far less than even Microsoft does.  I can run Win-10 on a 2008 dual core, 2 GB laptop,

until an automatic update bricks it for you.

I've got a reasonably new Surface Pro 3 (yes, hardware and software by Microsoft) which is running Windows 10.
I can no longer use an uSD card in the uSD slot because if I leave it there it drains the battery in less than 10 hours.
There's no way to revert the update which causes this problem.

Thankfully I don't use the webcam, and I don't posses a Kindle Paperwhite.

> but I can't (it seems) be allowed to run official Android 7 on a 2 GB, 4-core tablet.

But it will at least continue to work, running Android 6.
Or would you rather that Google forced the update without adequate testing, and just hoped it didn't brick the device?

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#33644

Nigel Wade <nmw@local.domain> wrote:
> On 25/08/16 10:04, David Taylor wrote:
[...]
> > As a Nexus-7 owner (2013) I'm very disappointed that Google is
> > offering far less than even Microsoft does.  I can run Win-10 on a
> > 2008 dual core, 2 GB laptop,
> 
> until an automatic update bricks it for you.
> 
> I've got a reasonably new Surface Pro 3 (yes, hardware and software by
> Microsoft) which is running Windows 10.
> I can no longer use an uSD card in the uSD slot because if I leave it
> there it drains the battery in less than 10 hours.
> There's no way to revert the update which causes this problem.

  Is the uSD perhaps set up as an extension of main memory (RAM), that
might explain the behaviour you're seeing.

  Can't you go back to a previous Restore Point or uninstall the
update(s)?

  You do know that you can prevent automatic updating in Windows 10,
don't you?

  What happens if you Hibernate instead of Sleep?

> Thankfully I don't use the webcam, and I don't posses a Kindle Paperwhite.
> 
> > but I can't (it seems) be allowed to run official Android 7 on a 2
> > GB, 4-core tablet.
> 
> But it will at least continue to work, running Android 6.
> Or would you rather that Google forced the update without adequate
> testing, and just hoped it didn't brick the device?

  If an update bricks the device, then Google fscked up big time.

  *And* there should be a mechanism to 'unbrick' a device, at least when
(first) backing up to a computer.

  Let's face it, Google's update mechanism is broken by (non-)design and
there is no need whatsoever to defend/excuse any of the involved
parties, not google and not the device manufacturers.

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#37780

On 25 Aug 2016 14:35:52 GMT, Frank Slootweg wrote:

>   You do know that you can prevent automatic updating in Windows 10,
> don't you?

Windows 10? -- Postpone, yes. Prevent? -- news to me (unless one stays
entirely off the internet); please offer details.

Cheers, -- tlvp
-- 
Avant de repondre, jeter la poubelle, SVP.

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#37789

On 17/01/2017 06:39, tlvp wrote:
> On 25 Aug 2016 14:35:52 GMT, Frank Slootweg wrote:
>
>>   You do know that you can prevent automatic updating in Windows 10,
>> don't you?
>
> Windows 10? -- Postpone, yes. Prevent? -- news to me (unless one stays
> entirely off the internet); please offer details.
>
> Cheers, -- tlvp

Set the Wi-Fi connection to metered.

In the next major update you'll be able to set Ethernet connections as 
"metered" as well.  See:

 
http://www.howtogeek.com/226722/how-when-and-why-to-set-a-connection-as-metered-on-windows-10/

-- 
Cheers,
David
Web: http://www.satsignal.eu

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#37801

On Tue, 17 Jan 2017 11:23:04 +0000, David Taylor wrote:

> On 17/01/2017 06:39, tlvp wrote:
>> On 25 Aug 2016 14:35:52 GMT, Frank Slootweg wrote:
>>
>>>   You do know that you can prevent automatic updating in Windows 10,
>>> don't you?
>>
>> Windows 10? -- Postpone, yes. Prevent? -- news to me (unless one stays
>> entirely off the internet); please offer details.
>>
>> Cheers, -- tlvp
> 
> Set the Wi-Fi connection to metered.
> 
> In the next major update you'll be able to set Ethernet connections as 
> "metered" as well.  See:
> 
>  
> http://www.howtogeek.com/226722/how-when-and-why-to-set-a-connection-as-metered-on-windows-10/

Thanks, David: good to know ... and to know *how* :-) . Cheers, -- tlvp
-- 
Avant de repondre, jeter la poubelle, SVP.

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#33645

On 25/08/2016 14:28, Nigel Wade wrote:
[]
>> As a Nexus-7 owner (2013) I'm very disappointed that Google is
>> offering far less than even Microsoft does.  I can run Win-10 on a
>> 2008 dual core, 2 GB laptop,
>
> until an automatic update bricks it for you.
>
> I've got a reasonably new Surface Pro 3 (yes, hardware and software by
> Microsoft) which is running Windows 10.
> I can no longer use an uSD card in the uSD slot because if I leave it
> there it drains the battery in less than 10 hours.
> There's no way to revert the update which causes this problem.
>
> Thankfully I don't use the webcam, and I don't posses a Kindle Paperwhite.
>
>> but I can't (it seems) be allowed to run official Android 7 on a 2 GB,
>> 4-core tablet.
>
> But it will at least continue to work, running Android 6.
> Or would you rather that Google forced the update without adequate
> testing, and just hoped it didn't brick the device?

The two Linx tablets I have (one 7-inch and one 10-inch) have both been 
through several major OS upgrades without problem.  Indeed, the 7-inch 
started as Win-8.1.

Have you reported the SD card problem to Microsoft?  Is it's well known 
enough it may well get fixed.

As I said elsewhere, if there's a genuine reason why the Nexus-7 can't 
run Android 7 (e.g. the processor can't run the instruction set 
required, not enough RAM, not enough CPU power [4-core required]) then 
that's a fair enough reason not to offer the upgrade.  If a third party 
can offer Android 7, why would not Google?

Otherwise, pure marketing and it stinks.

-- 
Cheers,
David
Web: http://www.satsignal.eu

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#37779

On Thu, 25 Aug 2016 14:28:40 +0100, Nigel Wade wrote:

> On 25/08/16 10:04, David Taylor wrote:
>> On 24/08/2016 23:47, Ivan D. Reid wrote:
>> []
>>> [10] OK, and a Tesco/Viglen 8.9" W10 tablet when they were selling them
>>> cheap, but most W10 software doesn't recognise the touchscreen.  I finally
>>> worked out how to access the BIOS configuration pages -- guess what? They
>>> don't work with the touchscreen, and the virtual keyboard isn't available
>>> outside the OS!
>>
>> You might like to look at the Linx 1010B:
>>
>>   https://www.amazon.co.uk/Linx-1010B-10-1-Tablet-Black/dp/B014D847FS
>>
>> which includes a keyboard and two full-size USB ports.  Runs the most recent version of Windows-10 without problems.  Windows-10 also runs on a 2008 laptop here.
>>
>> As a Nexus-7 owner (2013) I'm very disappointed that Google is offering far less than even Microsoft does.  I can run Win-10 on a 2008 dual core, 2 GB laptop,
> 
> until an automatic update bricks it for you.
> 
> I've got a reasonably new Surface Pro 3 (yes, hardware and software by Microsoft) which is running Windows 10.
> I can no longer use an uSD card in the uSD slot because if I leave it there it drains the battery in less than 10 hours.
> There's no way to revert the update which causes this problem.

Lucky me, then. The little Win 10 netbook I have (an Acer device) is
endowed with only 32 GB of (semiconductor-based) fixed storage, hence has
insufficient free space to permit Windows Update to update the OS (as
confirmed in person by a local Microsoft Store's "genius" tech'n (yeah, I
know: Genius is an Apple trademark; I just don't know what MS calls them).

So I'm immune to such problematic updates. (Is that an unalloyed good?)

Cheers, -- tlvp
-- 
Avant de repondre, jeter la poubelle, SVP.

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#37781

In article <1e5thb9j01taf$.n2ryjdzp4714$.dlg@40tude.net>, tlvp
<mPiOsUcB.EtLlLvEp@att.net> wrote:

> 
> Lucky me, then. The little Win 10 netbook I have (an Acer device) is
> endowed with only 32 GB of (semiconductor-based) fixed storage, hence has
> insufficient free space to permit Windows Update to update the OS (as
> confirmed in person by a local Microsoft Store's "genius" tech'n (yeah, I
> know: Genius is an Apple trademark; I just don't know what MS calls them).

guru, and they're not very smart, as there is no issue with updating
win10 on a 32 gig volume, assuming it's not filled with crap. smaller
volumes can be an issue, but you simply use a usb stick.

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#37803

On Tue, 17 Jan 2017 01:40:32 -0500, nospam wrote:

> guru,

Thanks :-) . But I doubt I'll remember.

> ... and they're not very smart, as there is no issue with updating
> win10 on a 32 gig volume, assuming it's not filled with crap. 

Well, of course it's filled with crap: it's filled with Win 10, remember?

> ... smaller
> volumes can be an issue, 

It *is* a "smaller volume" -- after the OS files, there's barely 8 GB free
space left, and the update download wants to see 20 GB free.
 
> ... but you simply use a usb stick.

Whatever the usb stick trick you have in mind may be, my MS guru tried
something like that, too, and found he was still a good 2 GB shy of the HD
free space he required.

Any more usable advice regarding this device? Thanks. Cheers, -- tlvp
-- 
Avant de repondre, jeter la poubelle, SVP.

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#37808

In article <19y4r284ekawa.1mrkek5llr8n3.dlg@40tude.net>, tlvp
<mPiOsUcB.EtLlLvEp@att.net> wrote:

> 
> > guru,
> 
> Thanks :-) . But I doubt I'll remember.

write it down.

> > ... and they're not very smart, as there is no issue with updating
> > win10 on a 32 gig volume, assuming it's not filled with crap. 
> 
> Well, of course it's filled with crap: it's filled with Win 10, remember?

win10 is hardly crap and i'm talking about *your* stuff, not win10.

> > ... smaller
> > volumes can be an issue, 
> 
> It *is* a "smaller volume" -- after the OS files, there's barely 8 GB free
> space left, and the update download wants to see 20 GB free.

win10 does not take up 24 gig of space.

> > ... but you simply use a usb stick.
> 
> Whatever the usb stick trick you have in mind may be, my MS guru tried
> something like that, too, and found he was still a good 2 GB shy of the HD
> free space he required.

get a bigger usb stick and/or delete the crap that's filling your drive.

or find another guru. he is not smart enough to be one.

> Any more usable advice regarding this device? Thanks. Cheers, -- tlvp

win10 should ask to use a usb stick if there's not enough room, which
there is so it shouldn't need to. or you can just use windows media
installer directly.

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#37810

On Tue, 17 Jan 2017 19:56:40 -0500, nospam wrote:

> about *your* stuff, not win10.

The only "my stuff" on it is an installation of Firefox.
It's a machine I've only ever used while on the road.
No music, no photos, no eBooks, no emails, no PDFs.
Or did you have some other stuff in mind?

Cheers, -- tlvp
-- 
Avant de repondre, jeter la poubelle, SVP.

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#37814

On 1/17/2017 11:12 PM, tlvp wrote:
> On Tue, 17 Jan 2017 19:56:40 -0500, nospam wrote:
>
>> about *your* stuff, not win10.
>
> The only "my stuff" on it is an installation of Firefox. It's a
> machine I've only ever used while on the road. No music, no photos,
> no eBooks, no emails, no PDFs. Or did you have some other stuff in
> mind?

Perhaps you should consider it a feature and not a problem. SEVERAL
times in the past my Windows machines have broken or lost something I
liked because of an update. I do keep one W10 box updated for my
critical stuff (taxes, finances, etc.) but with my two 32GB W10 tablets
for example I have turned off updating and am running on the version
that came from the factory. If it ain't broke... Various Internet
articles show you how. But many also say that MS can override your
changes against your will at any time. So far that's not happened to me
(knocks on wood).

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#37815

In article <d7lc5ah2fhab.72ks0r6ln47v.dlg@40tude.net>, tlvp
<mPiOsUcB.EtLlLvEp@att.net> wrote:

> 
> > about *your* stuff, not win10.
> 
> The only "my stuff" on it is an installation of Firefox.
> It's a machine I've only ever used while on the road.
> No music, no photos, no eBooks, no emails, no PDFs.
> Or did you have some other stuff in mind?

how much free space do you have? 

the updates don't need much (maybe a gig or so, tops), unless you're
talking about the anniversary update, which came out nearly six months
ago and would have been installed already. 

as i said early on and as others have suggested, you can always use a
usb stick to do the update. why do you keep ignoring what people tell
you?

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#37790

On 17/01/2017 06:35, tlvp wrote:
[]
> Lucky me, then. The little Win 10 netbook I have (an Acer device) is
> endowed with only 32 GB of (semiconductor-based) fixed storage, hence has
> insufficient free space to permit Windows Update to update the OS (as
> confirmed in person by a local Microsoft Store's "genius" tech'n (yeah, I
> know: Genius is an Apple trademark; I just don't know what MS calls them).
>
> So I'm immune to such problematic updates. (Is that an unalloyed good?)
>
> Cheers, -- tlvp

The 32 GB Win-10 tablets I have are updating as expected, but perhaps 
yours is more heavily loaded.  Try using the disk clean-up, including 
the System files option:

 
https://support.microsoft.com/en-gb/instantanswers/8fef4121-711b-4be1-996f-99e02c7301c2/disk-cleanup-in-windows-10

-- 
Cheers,
David
Web: http://www.satsignal.eu

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#37804

On Tue, 17 Jan 2017 11:27:08 +0000, David Taylor wrote:

> The 32 GB Win-10 tablets I have are updating as expected, 

Lucky you :-) !

> ... but perhaps 
> yours is more heavily loaded.  Try using the disk clean-up, including 
> the System files option:

My local MS Store "guru" tried that. Salvaged a full 65 MB or so, all told.
That wasn't anywhere near half enough to get 20 GB free, though.

Cheers, -- tlvp
-- 
Avant de repondre, jeter la poubelle, SVP.

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#37807

In article <fcxjhal0u33t.1kkpxh2nppcmb.dlg@40tude.net>, tlvp
<mPiOsUcB.EtLlLvEp@att.net> wrote:

> > ... but perhaps 
> > yours is more heavily loaded.  Try using the disk clean-up, including 
> > the System files option:
> 
> My local MS Store "guru" tried that. Salvaged a full 65 MB or so, all told.

65mb is nothing. 

> That wasn't anywhere near half enough to get 20 GB free, though.

so get a 32 gig usb stick.

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On 17/01/2017 23:50, tlvp wrote:
> On Tue, 17 Jan 2017 11:27:08 +0000, David Taylor wrote:
>
>> The 32 GB Win-10 tablets I have are updating as expected,
>
> Lucky you :-) !
>
>> ... but perhaps
>> yours is more heavily loaded.  Try using the disk clean-up, including
>> the System files option:
>
> My local MS Store "guru" tried that. Salvaged a full 65 MB or so, all told.
> That wasn't anywhere near half enough to get 20 GB free, though.
>
> Cheers, -- tlvp

The two tablets here have 16 GB and 14.4 GB free, and they handle 
Windows monthly updates without an issue.  You can also use an external 
USB driver, or possibly SD card, with the Media Creation Tool:

   https://www.microsoft.com/en-gb/software-download/windows10

for a bigger upgrade like the Anniversary Edition.

-- 
Cheers,
David
Web: http://www.satsignal.eu

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