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  Putting a screen protector on a screen that is already chipped/scratched "NY" <me@privacy.net> - 2018-11-22 20:57 +0000
    Re: Putting a screen protector on a screen that is already chipped/scratched VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> - 2018-11-22 19:34 -0600
      Re: Putting a screen protector on a screen that is already chipped/scratched nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-11-22 23:43 -0400
        Re: Putting a screen protector on a screen that is already chipped/scratched "J. P. Gilliver (John)" <G6JPG-255@255soft.uk> - 2018-11-23 15:39 +0000
          Re: Putting a screen protector on a screen that is already chipped/scratched nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-11-23 11:55 -0500
      Re: Putting a screen protector on a screen that is already chipped/scratched "NY" <me@privacy.net> - 2018-11-23 11:35 +0000
        Re: Putting a screen protector on a screen that is already chipped/scratched "SC Tom" <sc@tom.net> - 2018-11-23 08:14 -0500
          Re: Putting a screen protector on a screen that is already chipped/scratched The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> - 2018-11-23 09:40 -0800
            Re: Putting a screen protector on a screen that is already chipped/scratched 123456789 <12345@12345.com> - 2018-11-23 11:47 -0700
              Re: Putting a screen protector on a screen that is already chipped/scratched The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> - 2018-11-23 11:25 -0800
                Re: Putting a screen protector on a screen that is already chipped/scratched nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-11-23 14:27 -0500
                  Re: Putting a screen protector on a screen that is already chipped/scratched "NY" <me@privacy.net> - 2018-11-23 20:15 +0000
                    Re: Putting a screen protector on a screen that is already chipped/scratched nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-11-23 15:41 -0500
                    Re: Putting a screen protector on a screen that is already chipped/scratched 123456789 <12345@12345.com> - 2018-11-23 14:52 -0700
                    Re: Putting a screen protector on a screen that is already chipped/scratched The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> - 2018-11-23 23:20 -0800
                      Re: Putting a screen protector on a screen that is already chipped/scratched micky <NONONOmisc07@bigfoot.com> - 2018-11-25 04:15 -0500
                Re: Putting a screen protector on a screen that is already chipped/scratched "J. P. Gilliver (John)" <G6JPG-255@255soft.uk> - 2018-11-23 20:10 +0000
                  Re: Putting a screen protector on a screen that is already chipped/scratched nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-11-23 15:41 -0500
                  Re: Putting a screen protector on a screen that is already chipped/scratched micky <NONONOmisc07@bigfoot.com> - 2018-11-25 04:21 -0500
                    Re: Putting a screen protector on a screen that is already chipped/scratched "J. P. Gilliver (John)" <G6JPG-255@255soft.uk> - 2018-11-25 17:27 +0000
                      Re: Putting a screen protector on a screen that is already chipped/scratched micky <NONONOmisc07@bigfoot.com> - 2018-11-27 04:19 -0500
                  Re: Putting a screen protector on a screen that is already chipped/scratched micky <NONONOmisc07@bigfoot.com> - 2018-11-25 04:46 -0500
            Re: Putting a screen protector on a screen that is already chipped/scratched "SC Tom" <sc@tom.net> - 2018-11-23 23:11 -0500
        Re: Putting a screen protector on a screen that is already chipped/scratched VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> - 2018-11-24 07:33 -0600
          Re: Putting a screen protector on a screen that is already chipped/scratched "NY" <me@privacy.net> - 2018-11-24 15:03 +0000
            Re: Putting a screen protector on a screen that is already chipped/scratched nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-11-24 10:27 -0500
            Re: Putting a screen protector on a screen that is already chipped/scratched VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> - 2018-11-24 15:33 -0600
              Re: Putting a screen protector on a screen that is already chipped/scratched nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-11-24 16:46 -0400
          Re: Putting a screen protector on a screen that is already chipped/scratched micky <NONONOmisc07@bigfoot.com> - 2018-11-25 04:26 -0500
            Re: Putting a screen protector on a screen that is already chipped/scratched "J. P. Gilliver (John)" <G6JPG-255@255soft.uk> - 2018-11-25 17:32 +0000
              Re: Putting a screen protector on a screen that is already chipped/scratched micky <NONONOmisc07@bigfoot.com> - 2018-11-27 03:49 -0500

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#57793 — Putting a screen protector on a screen that is already chipped/scratched

Like an idiot I never put an adhesive screen protective film on my phone. 
Even though I've been very careful about not putting it in the same pocket 
as anything hard (eg metal - coins, etc) it's somehow got a few little 
scratches and shallow chips in the glass.

These are only visible in reflected light that strikes at a shallow angle, 
almost parallel to the glass, and are not visible in the transmitted light 
from the screen itself.

If I fit an adhesive screen film now, is its adhesive surface likely to make 
the chips more visible?

These are chips, not full-thickness cracks :-) I realise that there is no 
hope for a crack. 

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#57797

NY wrote:

> Like an idiot I never put an adhesive screen protective film on my phone. 
> Even though I've been very careful about not putting it in the same pocket 
> as anything hard (eg metal - coins, etc) it's somehow got a few little 
> scratches and shallow chips in the glass.
> 
> These are only visible in reflected light that strikes at a shallow angle, 
> almost parallel to the glass, and are not visible in the transmitted light 
> from the screen itself.
> 
> If I fit an adhesive screen film now, is its adhesive surface likely to make 
> the chips more visible?
> 
> These are chips, not full-thickness cracks :-) I realise that there is no 
> hope for a crack.

What's in your pocket (coins, keys, nails) won't scratch a Gorilla glass
screen, only a plastic screen.  Gorilla glass (MOH 6.8 max) is harder
than the coins and keys (MOH 4-5) but not harder than the dust and lint
in your pockets which contains sand (quartz @ MOH 7).  There are some
sapphire (MOH 9) screens (diamond is MOH 10 at the top of the scale) but
is fragile.  Gorilla 5 glass came out but still scratches at MOH 6 (see
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nOz4Kf5AL7Q).  Gorilla 6 came out but
isn't any harder than Gorilla 5 but supposed to withstand more shock.
Quartz/sand is MOH 7, so there isn't a phone screen that it cannot
scratch except for fragile sapphire screens.  A Corning rep has
acknowledged that all glass will scratch between MOH 5 and 6, so all
they can do in further generations is to improve shock resistance.  Once
scratched, integrity is reduced which can lead to nicks or cracks with
further stress.

No idea what phone you are asking about since you didn't mention brand
and model.  Perhaps it has a plastic screen.  If glass has nicks, it
wasn't from whatever was in your pocket or a finger ring's metal band
(but not its diamond gem) but from drops or handling (putting face down
on a table to activate the screen lock, sliding it around a tabletop).
If a glass screen, something hard had to hit it with a point or the
screen incurred a shock.  Some phones have fragile glass screens.  The
new Pocophone uses Gorilla 3 glass but it is thin and prone to cracking
just from a a foot high (i.e., cheap and fragile).  Keys and coins are
softer (MOH 4-5) than Gorilla glass (MOH 6) but might be just as hard as
pane glass in your home's windows (MOH 5.5)

Some screen protectors have silicone adhesive only at the edges.  The
result is you will see a herringbone mosaic effect because the film is
not on the screen but floating atop of it.  Some phones have bevelled
edges so a flat film won't extend to the very edges of the screen but
only across the flat area and stop at the bevelled edges.  You want to
get a film that has adhesive across its entire mating surface to the
screen.  When you buy a screen protector, get 2 or 3.  Sometimes when
putting on the screen protector, you don't get the film to lay down
evenly and there is a bubble or high spot.  You can try peeling it off
again but I've found the adhesive isn't quite as good as its first
application.  You need to clean the screen completely.  Don't leave any
lint behind.  Make sure there isn't any dust or lint floating about the
room; else, it'll get trapped under the film and is permanent (until you
remove the film and re-clean the screen to apply the next film).

If you get glass protector films (MOH 9), they won't accentuate or
attentuate the appearance of defects in the phone's screen.

Films (screen protectors) do flex.  They won't prevent a chip from
turning into a crack or a crack getting worse in the glass screen.  If
it's a plastic screen, the film is really only so you won't feel the
scratches and nicks.

Besides a screen protector, have you considered getting an armored case
that uses a silicone surround (with perhaps a hard shell around it to
keep the silicone surround on the phone in a drop) to absorb any shocks
the phone may experience?  Most armored cases extend farther up than the
screen, so the screen is not likely to get hit in a fall or when put
face-down on a table.  In fact, with a raised lip around the screen, the
only way the screen would get hit is if something protrudes up from the
surface that the phone hits.

Your phone might be one whose screen can be replaced. See:

https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=smartphone+replace+screen

If you want to see if someone focused on your phone, add your brand and
model number to the Youtube search.

Even if you do add a tempered MOH 9 glass screen protector, they bend.
Being hard to scratch doesn't obviate easy to bend (within a range of
flexing).  You can actually bend the phone and it remain permanently
bent and even the LCD panel can get damaged without cracking the glass
screen protector or the phone's screen.  They absorb some shock but they
are up against the screen, so some shock will get transferred to the
screen.  A hit hard enough to crack a glass screen protector may still
result in a nick or crack in the phone's screen.  They're like pier
bumpers: useful most of the time but boats will stick hit the pier in
rough weather.  For example, I've had phones with glass screens and a
MOH 9 glass screen protector that took a hit which resulted in a spot in
the LCD panel that was a bit off in color (i.e., the protector and
screen survived okay but the LCD panel still got damaged).  I think that
happened when I punched hard my phone (I knew I was going to scrap it,
so I took out a bit of frustation with it hanging when I most needed
it).  I've seen phones with tempered glass protectors that got bent in
someone's back pocket from sitting down but the protectors were not
damaged.  In fact, as a test (but I didn't make measurements), I can
bend a MOH 9 glass screen protector a hell of lot farther than I would
ever consider bending my phone.

By the way, the MOH rating of tempered glass protectors is highly
exaggerated.  MOH 9 screen protectors would have to be made of very
expensive sapphire - but they are not.  See:

http://www.moutfitters.com/blog/true-hardness-tempered-glass-screen-protector/

Just consider the tempered glass screen protector as something that
takes the abuse and later gets replaced when the accumulated abuse has
been too great and you want a shiny screen again.  A screen protector
won't fill in any nicks, scratches, or cracks but just lie atop of them.
Once you are aware of the defects, you'll notice them more often.  With
a shinier surface atop of them, perhaps you'll notice them more.
However, a shiny glass surface will make the phone's screen defects feel
more smooth.  I don't know about nicks (and light scratches aren't a
problem) but I have seen users get their fingers cut on cracked glass
screens or glass protectors.  After all, it's a crack which means there
is a sharp edge in the glass.

If the phone is bowed, like you sat on it while it was in your back
pocket, you probably won't get a screen protector on it.  While they
bend, the adhesive on screen protectors isn't designed to be permanent
or take the stress of keeping a flat protector on a bent phone.  At that
point, you could use clear packing tape to cover the scratches to
prevent cutting your fingers until you get the screen replaced.

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#57802

In article <n3hvqxceu7gg.dlg@v.nguard.lh>, VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH>
wrote:

 
> > Like an idiot I never put an adhesive screen protective film on my phone. 
> > Even though I've been very careful about not putting it in the same pocket 
> > as anything hard (eg metal - coins, etc) it's somehow got a few little 
> > scratches and shallow chips in the glass.
> > 
> > These are only visible in reflected light that strikes at a shallow angle, 
> > almost parallel to the glass, and are not visible in the transmitted light 
> > from the screen itself.
> > 
> > If I fit an adhesive screen film now, is its adhesive surface likely to
> > make the chips more visible?
> > 
> > These are chips, not full-thickness cracks :-) I realise that there is no 
> > hope for a crack.
> 
> What's in your pocket (coins, keys, nails) won't scratch a Gorilla glass
> screen, only a plastic screen.  Gorilla glass (MOH 6.8 max) is harder
> than the coins and keys (MOH 4-5) but not harder than the dust and lint
> in your pockets which contains sand (quartz @ MOH 7). 

yet scratches still occur to phones with gorilla glass.

it's not impossible. 



> 
> Some screen protectors have silicone adhesive only at the edges.  The
> result is you will see a herringbone mosaic effect because the film is
> not on the screen but floating atop of it. 

false. the shitty ones might do that, but the better ones definitely do
not.

> Some phones have bevelled
> edges so a flat film won't extend to the very edges of the screen but
> only across the flat area and stop at the bevelled edges. 

that is not a problem, other than for phones such as the galaxy edge
where the screen rolls around the side, and not surprisingly, there are
compatible screen protectors.

> You want to
> get a film that has adhesive across its entire mating surface to the
> screen. When you buy a screen protector, get 2 or 3.  Sometimes when
> putting on the screen protector, you don't get the film to lay down
> evenly and there is a bubble or high spot. You can try peeling it off
> again but I've found the adhesive isn't quite as good as its first
> application.

which is why getting that type of screen protector is *not* a good idea
unless purchased at a place that uses an applicator machine which
guarantees a proper fit.

>  You need to clean the screen completely.  Don't leave any
> lint behind.  Make sure there isn't any dust or lint floating about the
> room; else, it'll get trapped under the film and is permanent (until you
> remove the film and re-clean the screen to apply the next film).

that part is true.




> Even if you do add a tempered MOH 9 glass screen protector, they bend.

not in normal usage, namely when affixed to the phone, they don't.

> Being hard to scratch doesn't obviate easy to bend (within a range of
> flexing).  You can actually bend the phone and it remain permanently
> bent and even the LCD panel can get damaged without cracking the glass
> screen protector or the phone's screen. 

people don't bend their phones to the point of damage, unless they're
making a youtube video.

> They absorb some shock but they
> are up against the screen, so some shock will get transferred to the
> screen.  A hit hard enough to crack a glass screen protector may still
> result in a nick or crack in the phone's screen. 

nope. 

there are videos on youtube (and i've seen it done live) where someone
hits a phone with a screen protector using a hammer or other blunt
object and nothing shatters.

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#57810

In message <221120182343030550%nospam@nospam.invalid>, nospam 
<nospam@nospam.invalid> writes:
>In article <n3hvqxceu7gg.dlg@v.nguard.lh>, VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH>
>wrote:
[]
>> Some screen protectors have silicone adhesive only at the edges.  The
>> result is you will see a herringbone mosaic effect because the film is
>> not on the screen but floating atop of it.
>
>false. the shitty ones might do that, but the better ones definitely do
>not.
[]
Do any of your "better" ones only have adhesive round the edges? If not, 
your comment is moot.
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#57812

In article <d2zHaDjA9B+bFwXS@255soft.uk>, J. P. Gilliver (John)
<G6JPG-255@255soft.uk> wrote:

> >> Some screen protectors have silicone adhesive only at the edges.  The
> >> result is you will see a herringbone mosaic effect because the film is
> >> not on the screen but floating atop of it.
> >
> >false. the shitty ones might do that, but the better ones definitely do
> >not.
> []
> Do any of your "better" ones only have adhesive round the edges? If not, 
> your comment is moot.

yes, and they're on most of my devices. there are no herringbone
patterns whatsoever and it's impossible for any bubbles to occur when
applying them. they work exceptionally well.

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#57806

"VanguardLH" <V@nguard.LH> wrote in message 
news:n3hvqxceu7gg.dlg@v.nguard.lh...
> NY wrote:
>
>> Like an idiot I never put an adhesive screen protective film on my phone.
>> Even though I've been very careful about not putting it in the same 
>> pocket
>> as anything hard (eg metal - coins, etc) it's somehow got a few little
>> scratches and shallow chips in the glass.
>>
>> These are only visible in reflected light that strikes at a shallow 
>> angle,
>> almost parallel to the glass, and are not visible in the transmitted 
>> light
>> from the screen itself.
>>
>> If I fit an adhesive screen film now, is its adhesive surface likely to 
>> make
>> the chips more visible?
>>
>> These are chips, not full-thickness cracks :-) I realise that there is no
>> hope for a crack.
>
> No idea what phone you are asking about since you didn't mention brand
> and model.  Perhaps it has a plastic screen.  If glass has nicks, it
> wasn't from whatever was in your pocket or a finger ring's metal band
> (but not its diamond gem) but from drops or handling (putting face down
> on a table to activate the screen lock, sliding it around a tabletop).

It's a Samsung Galaxy S7 which as far as I can tell has a glass screen. I've 
got it in a rubberised case of the sort you describe which means that if it 
is placed face-down on a table etc, the screen is held a few mm proud of the 
surface the phone is resting on. However I normally keep it in my trouser 
pocket, with the screen touching the inside of the pocket next to my thigh.

I too wouldn't expect glass to be scratched by metal objects (coins, my gold 
wedding ring etc), and the only other thing I keep in that pocket is a 
little diary with a cardboard cover and a pencil in the spine (the pencil 
has a plastic top on the non-lead end of it). And I always put that against 
the back of the phone.

Odd that over the year or so I've had the phone, the glass has got several 
chips about 2 mm long despite being careful.

At least a screen protector shouldn't *accentuate* the visibility of the 
scratches, which is what I was concerned about if the glue on the protector 
filled the crack.

https://i.postimg.cc/6qJrYJkc/Img-1372.jpg is some of the scratches - ruler 
divisions are miliimetres. That's with the screen unlit and the camera not 
looking square-on to the screen, to show up the scratches. 

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#57807

"NY" <me@privacy.net> wrote in message 
news:LOSdnSWsB4FoeGrGnZ2dnUU78dXNnZ2d@brightview.co.uk...
> "VanguardLH" <V@nguard.LH> wrote in message 
> news:n3hvqxceu7gg.dlg@v.nguard.lh...
>> NY wrote:
>>
>>> Like an idiot I never put an adhesive screen protective film on my 
>>> phone.
>>> Even though I've been very careful about not putting it in the same 
>>> pocket
>>> as anything hard (eg metal - coins, etc) it's somehow got a few little
>>> scratches and shallow chips in the glass.
>>>
>>> These are only visible in reflected light that strikes at a shallow 
>>> angle,
>>> almost parallel to the glass, and are not visible in the transmitted 
>>> light
>>> from the screen itself.
>>>
>>> If I fit an adhesive screen film now, is its adhesive surface likely to 
>>> make
>>> the chips more visible?
>>>
>>> These are chips, not full-thickness cracks :-) I realise that there is 
>>> no
>>> hope for a crack.
>>
>> No idea what phone you are asking about since you didn't mention brand
>> and model.  Perhaps it has a plastic screen.  If glass has nicks, it
>> wasn't from whatever was in your pocket or a finger ring's metal band
>> (but not its diamond gem) but from drops or handling (putting face down
>> on a table to activate the screen lock, sliding it around a tabletop).
>
> It's a Samsung Galaxy S7 which as far as I can tell has a glass screen. 
> I've got it in a rubberised case of the sort you describe which means that 
> if it is placed face-down on a table etc, the screen is held a few mm 
> proud of the surface the phone is resting on. However I normally keep it 
> in my trouser pocket, with the screen touching the inside of the pocket 
> next to my thigh.
>
> I too wouldn't expect glass to be scratched by metal objects (coins, my 
> gold wedding ring etc), and the only other thing I keep in that pocket is 
> a little diary with a cardboard cover and a pencil in the spine (the 
> pencil has a plastic top on the non-lead end of it). And I always put that 
> against the back of the phone.
>
> Odd that over the year or so I've had the phone, the glass has got several 
> chips about 2 mm long despite being careful.
>
> At least a screen protector shouldn't *accentuate* the visibility of the 
> scratches, which is what I was concerned about if the glue on the 
> protector filled the crack.
>
> https://i.postimg.cc/6qJrYJkc/Img-1372.jpg is some of the scratches - 
> ruler divisions are miliimetres. That's with the screen unlit and the 
> camera not looking square-on to the screen, to show up the scratches.

I used this brand for my S4:
<https://www.amazon.com/Galaxy-Protector-Coverage-Anti-Glare-Bubble-Free/dp/B01FL4AYUK/ref=sr_1_4?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1542975620&sr=1-4&keywords=galaxy+s7+screen+protector+matte>

It's not glass, but it is anti-glare (matte finish) which is what I was 
looking for (the glass protectors are too reflective for me). The adhesive 
is an almost "flowing" substance that should fill in any slight 
imperfections in the existing glass (it did on my wife's LG). Most important 
step is clean, clean, and clean again the surface before installation, and 
install it in a dust-free area.

I had the protector on my phone for over two years, and never had it shift, 
lift, or get any bubbles under it. The surface still looked good when I 
finally retired it for a newer phone (the S4 was Android 5.x and my banking 
and Pizza Hut <BG> apps now require 6.x or higher).

Disclaimer: I rarely carried my phone in a pocket. Mostly it was carried in 
a belt holster, or, in cooler weather, in my inside jacket pocket. When it 
was carried in a pants pocket, it was usually in my tennis shorts with 
nothing else in that pocket except my leather wallet :-)

HTH!
-- 

SC Tom
 

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#57813

On 11/23/2018 05:14 AM, SC Tom wrote:
>
>
> "NY" <me@privacy.net> wrote in message
> news:LOSdnSWsB4FoeGrGnZ2dnUU78dXNnZ2d@brightview.co.uk...
>> "VanguardLH" <V@nguard.LH> wrote in message
>> news:n3hvqxceu7gg.dlg@v.nguard.lh...
>>> NY wrote:
>>>
>>>> Like an idiot I never put an adhesive screen protective film on my
>>>> phone.
>>>> Even though I've been very careful about not putting it in the same
>>>> pocket
>>>> as anything hard (eg metal - coins, etc) it's somehow got a few little
>>>> scratches and shallow chips in the glass.
>>>>
>>>> These are only visible in reflected light that strikes at a shallow
>>>> angle,
>>>> almost parallel to the glass, and are not visible in the transmitted
>>>> light
>>>> from the screen itself.
>>>>
>>>> If I fit an adhesive screen film now, is its adhesive surface likely to
>>>> make
>>>> the chips more visible?
>>>>
>>>> These are chips, not full-thickness cracks :-) I realise that there is
>>>> no
>>>> hope for a crack.
>>>
>>> No idea what phone you are asking about since you didn't mention brand
>>> and model.  Perhaps it has a plastic screen.  If glass has nicks, it
>>> wasn't from whatever was in your pocket or a finger ring's metal band
>>> (but not its diamond gem) but from drops or handling (putting face down
>>> on a table to activate the screen lock, sliding it around a tabletop).
>>
>> It's a Samsung Galaxy S7 which as far as I can tell has a glass screen.
>> I've got it in a rubberised case of the sort you describe which means that
>> if it is placed face-down on a table etc, the screen is held a few mm
>> proud of the surface the phone is resting on. However I normally keep it
>> in my trouser pocket, with the screen touching the inside of the pocket
>> next to my thigh.
>>
>> I too wouldn't expect glass to be scratched by metal objects (coins, my
>> gold wedding ring etc), and the only other thing I keep in that pocket is
>> a little diary with a cardboard cover and a pencil in the spine (the
>> pencil has a plastic top on the non-lead end of it). And I always put that
>> against the back of the phone.
>>
>> Odd that over the year or so I've had the phone, the glass has got several
>> chips about 2 mm long despite being careful.
>>
>> At least a screen protector shouldn't *accentuate* the visibility of the
>> scratches, which is what I was concerned about if the glue on the
>> protector filled the crack.
>>
>> https://i.postimg.cc/6qJrYJkc/Img-1372.jpg is some of the scratches -
>> ruler divisions are miliimetres. That's with the screen unlit and the
>> camera not looking square-on to the screen, to show up the scratches.
>
> I used this brand for my S4:
> <https://www.amazon.com/Galaxy-Protector-Coverage-Anti-Glare-Bubble-Free/dp/B01FL4AYUK/ref=sr_1_4?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1542975620&sr=1-4&keywords=galaxy+s7+screen+protector+matte>
>
> It's not glass, but it is anti-glare (matte finish) which is what I was
> looking for (the glass protectors are too reflective for me). The adhesive
> is an almost "flowing" substance that should fill in any slight
> imperfections in the existing glass (it did on my wife's LG). Most important
> step is clean, clean, and clean again the surface before installation, and
> install it in a dust-free area.

It's hard to find matte protectors, but I really hate the glare from the 
glass surfaces.  I buy mine from ebay for considerably less. (3 for 
$2.00;  those aren't available any more, but I'm sure there are lots of 
others.)  I botched the first one, but the one I put on my Moto G last 
year was the best application I've ever done -- only two dust blobs and 
lifted but problemless areas around the bottom where I touched it.  I 
keep my phone in my purse or hip pocket when I go out, and on a table 
the rest of the time.  The protector itself seems to have sustained no 
scratches.  Given my ham-fistedness, I'm reluctant to use the third one 
unless I absolutely have to.  I don't even notice the little 
dust-bubbles any more unless the phone is off.

I do have a rubbery thin case on the phone, which protects the back and 
edges.  Really gripes me that you can't find neon colors any more -- I 
mostly want the cover so I can FIND the phone!

> I had the protector on my phone for over two years, and never had it shift,
> lift, or get any bubbles under it. The surface still looked good when I
> finally retired it for a newer phone (the S4 was Android 5.x and my banking
> and Pizza Hut <BG> apps now require 6.x or higher).
>
> Disclaimer: I rarely carried my phone in a pocket. Mostly it was carried in
> a belt holster, or, in cooler weather, in my inside jacket pocket. When it
> was carried in a pants pocket, it was usually in my tennis shorts with
> nothing else in that pocket except my leather wallet :-)

-- 
Cheers, Bev
    The beatings will continue until morale improves

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#57814

On 11/23/2018 10:40 AM, The Real Bev wrote:

> Really gripes me that you can't find neon [case] colors any more -- I
> mostly want the cover so I can FIND the phone!

I just call mine and follow the sound... :-/

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#57815

On 11/23/2018 10:47 AM, 123456789 wrote:
> On 11/23/2018 10:40 AM, The Real Bev wrote:
>
>> Really gripes me that you can't find neon [case] colors any more -- I
>> mostly want the cover so I can FIND the phone!
>
> I just call mine and follow the sound... :-/

That only works if your phone is on :-(

My purse weighs between 5 and 10 pounds and is full of stuff.  The 
lining is black.  I need a bright color to make finding the damn thing 
easier.  "Red" was the best I could get, and it's more of a dark pink 
color :-(

-- 
Cheers, Bev
    "It's no piece of cake, but it sure beats listening to Ted
     Kennedy on the Senate floor."
                        - Jesse Helms describing heart surgery

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#57816

In article <pt9k6n$vcm$1@dont-email.me>, The Real Bev
<bashley101@gmail.com> wrote:

> >> Really gripes me that you can't find neon [case] colors any more -- I
> >> mostly want the cover so I can FIND the phone!
> >
> > I just call mine and follow the sound... :-/
> 
> That only works if your phone is on :-(

why wouldn't it be?

> My purse weighs between 5 and 10 pounds and is full of stuff.  

you lug a 10 lb bag everywhere?

> The 
> lining is black.  I need a bright color to make finding the damn thing 
> easier.  "Red" was the best I could get, and it's more of a dark pink 
> color :-(

phone cases are available in a wide variety of colours and designs.

or, don't carry so much crap.

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#57819

"nospam" <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote in message 
news:231120181427570707%nospam@nospam.invalid...
> In article <pt9k6n$vcm$1@dont-email.me>, The Real Bev
> <bashley101@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> >> Really gripes me that you can't find neon [case] colors any more -- I
>> >> mostly want the cover so I can FIND the phone!
>> >
>> > I just call mine and follow the sound... :-/
>>
>> That only works if your phone is on :-(
>
> why wouldn't it be?
>
>> My purse weighs between 5 and 10 pounds and is full of stuff.
>
> you lug a 10 lb bag everywhere?

A woman has her handbag/purse for all her essentials; a man has to carry all 
his equivalent possessions in his trouser pockets (*). My wife would 
probably say I carry about 10 lb of man-crap in my pockets :-)  There's keys 
(house and both cars), wallet/billfold, phone, loose change as coins. The 
odd scrap of paper reminding me to do something. It all mounts up.


(*) A man-bag, if it were more socially acceptable, would be fine - except 
I'd probably forget to pick it up. Having things permanently in my trouser 
pockets except when I'm actually using them (and getting into the habit of 
always returning them there after use) is a great way of never losing or 
forgetting to bring them. 

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#57821

In article <tYOdncU7cad9wmXGnZ2dnUU78dfNnZ2d@brightview.co.uk>, NY
<me@privacy.net> wrote:

> >
> >> My purse weighs between 5 and 10 pounds and is full of stuff.
> >
> > you lug a 10 lb bag everywhere?
> 
> A woman has her handbag/purse for all her essentials; a man has to carry all 
> his equivalent possessions in his trouser pockets (*). My wife would 
> probably say I carry about 10 lb of man-crap in my pockets :-)  There's keys 
> (house and both cars), wallet/billfold, phone, loose change as coins. The 
> odd scrap of paper reminding me to do something. It all mounts up.

i highly doubt you carry anywhere close to 10 lbs of stuff in your
clothing all the time, or even 5 lb.

> (*) A man-bag, if it were more socially acceptable, would be fine - except 
> I'd probably forget to pick it up. Having things permanently in my trouser 
> pockets except when I'm actually using them (and getting into the habit of 
> always returning them there after use) is a great way of never losing or 
> forgetting to bring them. 

it's called a 'briefcase' or 'laptop bag'.

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#57826

On 11/23/2018 1:15 PM, NY wrote:

> a man has to carry all his equivalent possessions in his trouser 
> pockets...loose change...

Pocket change? What's that? That's so last century... ;)

Most everything here goes on the card, even a 50 cent cream cone. I
seldom have any jingly pocket change to mess with and to tell you the
truth I really don't miss it.

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#57836

On 11/23/2018 12:15 PM, NY wrote:
> "nospam" <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote in message
> news:231120181427570707%nospam@nospam.invalid...
>> In article <pt9k6n$vcm$1@dont-email.me>, The Real Bev
>> <bashley101@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> >> Really gripes me that you can't find neon [case] colors any more -- I
>>> >> mostly want the cover so I can FIND the phone!
>>> >
>>> > I just call mine and follow the sound... :-/
>>>
>>> That only works if your phone is on :-(
>>
>> why wouldn't it be?
>>
>>> My purse weighs between 5 and 10 pounds and is full of stuff.
>>
>> you lug a 10 lb bag everywhere?

Unless I'm going to be doing a lot of walking.  Then I just carry a 
small bag with my wallet, glasses, phone, keys and Chapstick. And maybe 
water and a snack.

> A woman has her handbag/purse for all her essentials; a man has to carry all
> his equivalent possessions in his trouser pockets (*). My wife would
> probably say I carry about 10 lb of man-crap in my pockets :-)  There's keys
> (house and both cars), wallet/billfold, phone, loose change as coins. The
> odd scrap of paper reminding me to do something. It all mounts up.

Wallet.  Keys.  5 pens/pencils.  2 pair of glasses.  Leathermen (big and 
small) and  other tools.  Buck knife.  2 flashlights.  Lipsticks. 
Hairbrush.  Magnifying glass(es).  Phone.  Paper 2-year datebook. 
Camera sometimes.  Nylon equivalents to the European string bag.  Tablet 
sometimes.  Spare batteries.  Charger.  Styli.  USB cable.  Sometimes 
water.  Cat laser.  I had one of those nifty tools that looks sort of 
like a snowflake with a lot of screwdriver points and socket holes, but 
it was too heavy.  String.  Sometimes kleenex.  Cough drops.  Cereal 
bars.  Thawed frozen peas to feed the koi sometimes.  Set of keys I 
hardly ever use but MIGHT need, like to my daughter's house and the car 
that I haven't driven for at least a decade.

> (*) A man-bag, if it were more socially acceptable, would be fine - except
> I'd probably forget to pick it up. Having things permanently in my trouser
> pockets except when I'm actually using them (and getting into the habit of
> always returning them there after use) is a great way of never losing or
> forgetting to bring them.

If I've ever needed something and not had it, I add it.  I'm constantly 
searching for the perfect bag.  It would be like a messenger bag, but 
with no flap, just a zipper.  Lightweight, chest strap, multiple inner 
sections, light-colored lining. Black, or maybe brown.  I've come close, 
but not close enough.

I used to carry ~50 pounds of tools in the trunk, but now I just have a 
few wrenches and screwdrivers, pruners, a plug-in tire-inflator, 
converter, windex, paper towels, some old Thomas Guides and a lot of 
grocery bags.

-- 
Cheers, Bev
    "It doesn't get any easier - you just go faster."
			 	   -- Greg Lemond

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#57859

In comp.mobile.android, on Fri, 23 Nov 2018 23:20:12 -0800, The Real Bev
<bashley101@gmail.com> wrote:

>On 11/23/2018 12:15 PM, NY wrote:
>> "nospam" <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote in message
>> news:231120181427570707%nospam@nospam.invalid...
>>> In article <pt9k6n$vcm$1@dont-email.me>, The Real Bev
>>> <bashley101@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> >> Really gripes me that you can't find neon [case] colors any more -- I
>>>> >> mostly want the cover so I can FIND the phone!
>>>> >
>>>> > I just call mine and follow the sound... :-/
>>>>
>>>> That only works if your phone is on :-(
>>>
>>> why wouldn't it be?
>>>
>>>> My purse weighs between 5 and 10 pounds and is full of stuff.
>>>
>>> you lug a 10 lb bag everywhere?
>
>Unless I'm going to be doing a lot of walking.  Then I just carry a 
>small bag with my wallet, glasses, phone, keys and Chapstick. And maybe 
>water and a snack.
>
>> A woman has her handbag/purse for all her essentials; a man has to carry all
>> his equivalent possessions in his trouser pockets (*). My wife would
>> probably say I carry about 10 lb of man-crap in my pockets :-)  There's keys
>> (house and both cars), wallet/billfold, phone, loose change as coins. The
>> odd scrap of paper reminding me to do something. It all mounts up.
>
>Wallet.  Keys.  5 pens/pencils.  2 pair of glasses.  Leathermen (big and 
>small) and  other tools.  Buck knife.  2 flashlights.  Lipsticks. 
>Hairbrush.  Magnifying glass(es).  Phone.  Paper 2-year datebook. 
>Camera sometimes.  Nylon equivalents to the European string bag.  Tablet 
>sometimes.  Spare batteries.  Charger.  Styli.  USB cable.  Sometimes 
>water.  Cat laser.  I had one of those nifty tools that looks sort of 
>like a snowflake with a lot of screwdriver points and socket holes, but 
>it was too heavy.  String.  Sometimes kleenex.  Cough drops.  Cereal 
>bars.  Thawed frozen peas to feed the koi sometimes.  Set of keys I 
>hardly ever use but MIGHT need, like to my daughter's house and the car 
>that I haven't driven for at least a decade.
>
>> (*) A man-bag, if it were more socially acceptable, would be fine - except
>> I'd probably forget to pick it up. Having things permanently in my trouser
>> pockets except when I'm actually using them (and getting into the habit of
>> always returning them there after use) is a great way of never losing or
>> forgetting to bring them.
>
>If I've ever needed something and not had it, I add it.  I'm constantly 
>searching for the perfect bag.  It would be like a messenger bag, but 
>with no flap, just a zipper.  Lightweight, chest strap, multiple inner 
>sections, light-colored lining. Black, or maybe brown.  I've come close, 
>but not close enough.
>
>I used to carry ~50 pounds of tools in the trunk, but now I just have a 
>few wrenches and screwdrivers, pruners, a plug-in tire-inflator, 
>converter, windex, paper towels, some old Thomas Guides and a lot of 
>grocery bags.

I have 10 or 15 pounds of tools in the car, and an inflator, jack, can
of oil**  and many of the things  you keep in your purse. 

When I started college, I decided I should carry on me the 3 pairs, Pen,
Paper, Watch, Wallet, Comb, Key.   Since then I've dropped the comb and
the paper, but I sometimes carry a phone.  I wear a watch even if I have
the phone because it's easier to read a watch and the phone is not
always on.   I have change if I got any but usually empty it when I get
home.  When I have enough I go the change machine at the supermarket and
get an Amazon coupon because there is no commission charged to get that.

I carry my phone in my front pocket, or sometimes in the shirt pocket,
also with the screen facing in and nothing on that side of the phone. It
was too hard to put a protector on correctly (you had that problem too,
Bev), so no protector on the screen.  Carried it 90 or 100 days this
year, and no scratches or chips yet, but I will take Vanguard's words
seriously and make a bigger effort to empty my pockts from sand, etc.
although I don't think there is much since nothing I put in my pockets
are sandy or gritty.   Still, it's not likely to come out in the wash if
there were.  


**carried oil ever since 1967 when the oil light went on repeatedly 100
miles east of Detroit in Canada, with no towns for hundreds of miles.
Had to chooose between stopping and hoping somoene with oil would come
by in the morning, or continuing.  Had 2 riders with me and none of us
wanted to try to sleep in the car, so continued and didn't hurt the
engine.

So for years carried 2 quarts of oil and 2 quarts of xmission fluid.
Since I only used them on one trip, I've lowered it to one of each. 

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#57818

In message <pt9k6n$vcm$1@dont-email.me>, The Real Bev 
<bashley101@gmail.com> writes:
>On 11/23/2018 10:47 AM, 123456789 wrote:
>> On 11/23/2018 10:40 AM, The Real Bev wrote:
>>
>>> Really gripes me that you can't find neon [case] colors any more -- I
>>> mostly want the cover so I can FIND the phone!
>>
>> I just call mine and follow the sound... :-/
>
>That only works if your phone is on :-(

And if you have another 'phone to call it from.
>
>My purse weighs between 5 and 10 pounds and is full of stuff.  The 
>lining is black.  I need a bright color to make finding the damn thing 
>easier.  "Red" was the best I could get, and it's more of a dark pink 
>color :-(
>
I don't know about models, but most 'phone stalls/shops here (UK) I 
think still have some neon cases.
-- 
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

Have you ever heard about a petition, disagreed with it, but been frustrated
that there's no way you can *show* that you disagree? If so, have a look at
https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/232770 - and please pass it on if you
agree, especially to twitter, facebook, gransnet/mumsnet, or any such forum.

Odds are, the phrase "It's none of my business" will be followed by "but".

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#57820

In article <XmRF+zzJ7F+bFwW5@255soft.uk>, J. P. Gilliver (John)
<G6JPG-255@255soft.uk> wrote:

> >>> Really gripes me that you can't find neon [case] colors any more -- I
> >>> mostly want the cover so I can FIND the phone!
> >>
> >> I just call mine and follow the sound... :-/
> >
> >That only works if your phone is on :-(
> 
> And if you have another 'phone to call it from.

landline, or just use the wake word. another option is ping it from a
computer or smartwatch.

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#57860

In comp.mobile.android, on Fri, 23 Nov 2018 20:10:49 +0000, "J. P.
Gilliver (John)" <G6JPG-255@255soft.uk> wrote:

>
>Have you ever heard about a petition, disagreed with it, but been frustrated
>that there's no way you can *show* that you disagree? If so, have a look at
>https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/232770 - and please pass it on if you
>agree, especially to twitter, facebook, gransnet/mumsnet, or any such forum.
>
>Odds are, the phrase "It's none of my business" will be followed by "but".

Very interesting.   There was a competition here between two or three
new competing shopping areas, and a petition drive, and I guess at least
one side hired people to get signatures.   They managed to trick my
friend into thinking the petition said or at least meant the oppopsite
of what it did and she signed it. 

I think they also claimed it would make it hard for a religious day
school to get its buses in and out, and the head of the school which
normally stays out of politics, etc. had to issue a press release that
the school had never said that. I forget what else he said but there
already was a traffic light, and I've heard no complaints since the
shopping area was built.  IOW, the petition drive failed.  I wish all
liars would fail.

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#57869

OT, sorry.

In message <g4qkvdl7abe0rd745ru0g9v3a91rhnctfm@4ax.com>, micky 
<NONONOmisc07@bigfoot.com> writes:
>In comp.mobile.android, on Fri, 23 Nov 2018 20:10:49 +0000, "J. P.
>Gilliver (John)" <G6JPG-255@255soft.uk> wrote:
>
>>
>>Have you ever heard about a petition, disagreed with it, but been frustrated
>>that there's no way you can *show* that you disagree? If so, have a look at
>>https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/232770 - and please pass it on if you
>>agree, especially to twitter, facebook, gransnet/mumsnet, or any such forum.
[]
(I _think_ only UK citizens can sign.)
>
>Very interesting.   There was a competition here between two or three
>new competing shopping areas, and a petition drive, and I guess at least
>one side hired people to get signatures.   They managed to trick my
>friend into thinking the petition said or at least meant the oppopsite
>of what it did and she signed it.

Interesting. It wasn't dishonest petitions as such that bug me (though 
of course those would too), it's the underlying implication (which I 
suppose is dishonest in itself, but _may_ not have occurred to _all_ 
petitioners) that, just because a petition has reached 100, 1000, a 
million signatures, that that reflects public opinion - and, more 
dangerously, those in power can think that too, and pass legislation (or 
whatever) accordingly.
>
>I think they also claimed it would make it hard for a religious day
>school to get its buses in and out, and the head of the school which
>normally stays out of politics, etc. had to issue a press release that
>the school had never said that. I forget what else he said but there

[To be fair, just because the school itself had never said so, it could 
still have been the case. As you describe it, he was careful only to say 
that they'd never _said_ it, remaining silent on whether it was true.]

>already was a traffic light, and I've heard no complaints since the
>shopping area was built.  IOW, the petition drive failed.  I wish all
>liars would fail.

(-:

[Anyone UK who's stayed this far - can you forward the petition to 
somewhere? Thanks. (Even if you don't agree, you should still vote for 
it, since at present you can't vote against!)]
-- 
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

Have you ever heard about a petition, disagreed with it, but been frustrated
that there's no way you can *show* that you disagree? If so, have a look at
https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/232770 - and please pass it on if you
agree, especially to twitter, facebook, gransnet/mumsnet, or any such forum.

Never be led astray onto the path of virtue.

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