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  Re: Is Prey the best way to track a young kid with Android? noydb@no.way (Bruce Sinclair) - 2015-07-14 23:19 +0000
    Re: Is Prey the best way to track a young kid with Android? Alan Meyer <ameyer2@yahoo.com> - 2015-07-14 21:26 -0400
      Re: Is Prey the best way to track a young kid with Android? Alan Meyer <ameyer2@yahoo.com> - 2015-07-14 21:31 -0400
    Re: Is Prey the best way to track a young kid with Android? The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> - 2015-07-14 22:47 -0700
      Re: Is Prey the best way to track a young kid with Android? J0HNS0N <12J0HNSON1022@92300nomail.com> - 2015-07-15 00:48 -0700
    Re: Is Prey the best way to track a young kid with Android? "s|b" <me@privacy.invalid> - 2015-07-15 20:49 +0200
      Re: Is Prey the best way to track a young kid with Android? The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> - 2015-07-15 12:02 -0700
        Re: Is Prey the best way to track a young kid with Android? Alan Meyer <ameyer2@yahoo.com> - 2015-07-16 17:08 -0400
          Re: Is Prey the best way to track a young kid with Android? The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> - 2015-07-16 15:34 -0700
    Re: Is Prey the best way to track a young kid with Android? Lerm <lerm4comptroller@deathtoamerica.org> - 2015-07-17 12:18 -0600

#21006 — Re: Is Prey the best way to track a young kid with Android?

In article <mo2t3s$5uh$1@solani.org>, Werner Obermeier <spamfreewob@arcor.de> wrote:
>I bought my teen a new Android phone and I want to be 
>able to track him if I need to (especially since I'm trying to 
>keep him away from some bad apples).
>
>Googling, I found "Prey" seems to show me where the phone is on a map. 
>
>Is that the typical tracking solution?
>Does it stay under cover?
>I don't need 24/7. 
>
>Just in emergencies or when he doesn't call and tell me where he is.

This question sounds dodgy at best to me.
If it's a real question, suggest you educate your teen rather than spy on 
them. :)

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#21009

On 7/14/2015 7:19 PM, Bruce Sinclair wrote:
> In article <mo2t3s$5uh$1@solani.org>, Werner Obermeier <spamfreewob@arcor.de> wrote:
>> I bought my teen a new Android phone and I want to be
>> able to track him if I need to (especially since I'm trying to
>> keep him away from some bad apples).
>>
>> Googling, I found "Prey" seems to show me where the phone is on a map.
>>
>> Is that the typical tracking solution?
>> Does it stay under cover?
>> I don't need 24/7.
>>
>> Just in emergencies or when he doesn't call and tell me where he is.
>
> This question sounds dodgy at best to me.
> If it's a real question, suggest you educate your teen rather than spy on
> them. :)

It's hard to allow kids to do things that you know are big mistakes.  A 
lot of times they just won't listen to you and are determined that they, 
and not you, are the only ones who know what's best for themselves.

In my experience, if you teach them as best you can and then trust them 
to do the right thing themselves, they'll do some really dumb things 
but, eventually, they'll learn and grow up.  A lot of times they do the 
wrong thing but they remember what you tried to teach them and they 
eventually understand that you knew some things they didn't and wanted 
only the best for them.

On the other hand if you don't trust them and treat them with distrust, 
they'll still make the same mistakes, but they'll also learn not to 
trust you and to try harder to hide things from you and lie to you. 
They learn to think of you as an enemy.  They may still learn and grow 
up but, for an awful lot of kids, I think it will take longer and be an 
even more painful journey - for you as well as for them.

Maybe the thing to do is to imagine yourself in their shoes and ask what 
you would think if you found out that someone was surreptitiously 
tracking you.

That's my advice - and worth every penny I charge for it :)

    Alan

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#21010

What we need is a GrowUp app, 20 lessons with nice graphics and music 
that, at the end, adds years to a kid's emotional age.

Hmmmm.  Maybe I could use that too.

     Alan

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#21016

On 07/14/2015 04:19 PM, Bruce Sinclair wrote:
> In article <mo2t3s$5uh$1@solani.org>, Werner Obermeier <spamfreewob@arcor.de> wrote:
>>I bought my teen a new Android phone and I want to be
>>able to track him if I need to (especially since I'm trying to
>>keep him away from some bad apples).

"Do you want a phone?  Then this is one of the conditions.  If you can't 
accept that tell me now before I place the order."   Same as the 
difference between highly-visible and camouflaged cop cars -- one is for 
safety, the other is for entrapment.

>>Googling, I found "Prey" seems to show me where the phone is on a map.
>>
>>Is that the typical tracking solution?
>>Does it stay under cover?
>>I don't need 24/7.
>>
>>Just in emergencies or when he doesn't call and tell me where he is.
>
> This question sounds dodgy at best to me.
> If it's a real question, suggest you educate your teen rather than spy on
> them. :)

I think it depends on the circumstances.  Even the best kids can get 
into situations where it would be a good thing for a parent to know 
where they are.  While it's not as dangerous as the media and others who 
benefit from the fears of the citizenry would have us believe, it's not 
as safe now as it was when we were kids.

Remember the stupid bitch who turned in the "free range" kids and the 
cops didn't notify the parents for hours?  Kids are certainly not safe 
from do-gooding assholes and power-mad gestapo-wannabes.

My daughter thought it would be a good idea to chip kids the day they 
were born.  HER daughter thought that was a rotten idea.  I sided with 
the daughter, but a cell phone isn't an implant.

-- 
Cheers, Bev
*******************************************
"I've learned that you can keep puking long
  after you think you're finished."    -- SL

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#21020

The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> wrote:

>Even the best kids can get 
>into situations where it would be a good thing for a parent to know 
>where they are.

You mean like when the grandparents take the grandkids home for a few
days? My paranoid daughter used to call my house to make sure we got
home ok. No calls necessary anymore...

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#21031

On Tue, 14 Jul 2015 23:19:41 GMT, Bruce Sinclair wrote:

> This question sounds dodgy at best to me.
> If it's a real question, suggest you educate your teen rather than spy on 
> them. :)

Let the games begin! :-)

-- 
s|b

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#21033

On 07/15/2015 11:49 AM, s|b wrote:
> On Tue, 14 Jul 2015 23:19:41 GMT, Bruce Sinclair wrote:
>
>> This question sounds dodgy at best to me.
>> If it's a real question, suggest you educate your teen rather than spy on
>> them. :)

Why does everybody see it as a secret spying thing?

Why not tell the kid that you're the parent and you need to be able to 
know where he is even if he can't actually answer the phone and that if 
he doesn't want that to happen he can buy the phone and carrier himself 
or do without?

There are always hard choices.  If the kid has a job and can pay for his 
own phone then he's probably sufficiently responsible that you don't 
need to know where he is whenever you "need" to know.  If not, then not.

Be a parent.

-- 
Cheers, Bev
=================================================
"On the other hand, I live in California so I'd be willing to
  squeeze schoolchildren to death if I thought some oil would
  come out."                                    -- Scott Adams

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#21041

On 7/15/2015 3:02 PM, The Real Bev wrote:

...
> Why not tell the kid that you're the parent and you need to be able to
> know where he is even if he can't actually answer the phone and that if
> he doesn't want that to happen he can buy the phone and carrier himself
> or do without?
...

Here's an idea.  Do just what you said.  If it's really necessary, 
install the software on the kid's phone and tell him you're going to 
track him.  But then install the same software on your phone and let the 
kid track you.

The kid will soon learn what bars, race courses, and houses of ill 
repute you visit, or conversely, what a boring life you lead :)

It's a goose/gander thing that at least demonstrates some fairness.

    Alan

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#21043

On 07/16/2015 02:08 PM, Alan Meyer wrote:
> On 7/15/2015 3:02 PM, The Real Bev wrote:
>
> ...
>> Why not tell the kid that you're the parent and you need to be able to
>> know where he is even if he can't actually answer the phone and that if
>> he doesn't want that to happen he can buy the phone and carrier himself
>> or do without?
> ...
>
> Here's an idea.  Do just what you said.  If it's really necessary,
> install the software on the kid's phone and tell him you're going to
> track him.  But then install the same software on your phone and let the
> kid track you.
>
> The kid will soon learn what bars, race courses, and houses of ill
> repute you visit, or conversely, what a boring life you lead :)
>
> It's a goose/gander thing that at least demonstrates some fairness.

I'd have no problem with that.  I've already put half the NSA to sleep 
watching and listening to what I do.

-- 
Cheers, Bev
================================================================
"I don't trust carry-out food.  When you find hair in my cooking
  you don't hafta worry about where it came from!" -- Dinette Set

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#21045

On 07/14/2015 05:19 PM, Bruce Sinclair wrote:
> In article <mo2t3s$5uh$1@solani.org>, Werner Obermeier <spamfreewob@arcor.de> wrote:
>> I bought my teen a new Android phone and I want to be
>> able to track him if I need to (especially since I'm trying to
>> keep him away from some bad apples).
>>
>> Googling, I found "Prey" seems to show me where the phone is on a map.
>>
>> Is that the typical tracking solution?
>> Does it stay under cover?
>> I don't need 24/7.
>>
>> Just in emergencies or when he doesn't call and tell me where he is.
>
> This question sounds dodgy at best to me.
> If it's a real question, suggest you educate your teen rather than spy on
> them. :)

That's what I thought.  And I was a teenager once myself, and there was
never a technology my parents had better mastership over than me.  This
kid will quickly figure out how to spoof his location.

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