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  Many ad SDKs share locations ram@zedat.fu-berlin.de (Stefan Ram) - 2026-08-05 21:06 +0000
    Re: Many ad SDKs share locations Maria Sophia <mariasophia@comprehension.com> - 2026-08-05 13:56 -0800
      Re: Many ad SDKs share locations Maria Sophia <mariasophia@comprehension.com> - 2026-08-05 15:17 -0800
    Re: Many ad SDKs share locations "R.Wieser" <address@is.invalid> - 2026-08-06 09:16 +0200
      Re: Many ad SDKs share locations Maria Sophia <mariasophia@comprehension.com> - 2026-08-06 07:55 -0800
    Re: Many ad SDKs share locations Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2026-08-07 16:09 +0200
      Re: Many ad SDKs share locations Maria Sophia <mariasophia@comprehension.com> - 2026-08-07 18:51 -0800
        Re: Many ad SDKs share locations Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2026-08-09 11:18 +0200
          Re: Many ad SDKs share locations Maria Sophia <mariasophia@comprehension.com> - 2026-08-15 09:05 -0800
            Re: Many ad SDKs share locations "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-08-15 19:30 +0200
              Re: Many ad SDKs share locations Maria Sophia <mariasophia@comprehension.com> - 2026-08-15 10:37 -0800
            Re: Many ad SDKs share locations Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-16 09:28 +0100
              Re: Many ad SDKs share locations Maria Sophia <mariasophia@comprehension.com> - 2026-08-16 10:26 -0800
                Re: Many ad SDKs share locations Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2026-08-18 12:54 +0200
                  Re: Many ad SDKs share locations "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-08-18 12:58 +0200
                    Re: Many ad SDKs share locations Maria Sophia <mariasophia@comprehension.com> - 2026-08-18 09:08 -0800
            Re: Many ad SDKs share locations Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2026-08-18 12:48 +0200
              Re: Many ad SDKs share locations "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-08-18 13:00 +0200
                Re: Many ad SDKs share locations Maria Sophia <mariasophia@comprehension.com> - 2026-08-18 10:37 -0800
                  Re: Many ad SDKs share locations AJL <noemail@none.com> - 2026-08-19 03:55 +0000
                    Re: Many ad SDKs share locations Maria Sophia <mariasophia@comprehension.com> - 2026-08-18 23:00 -0800
                      Re: Many ad SDKs share locations AJL <noemail@none.com> - 2026-08-19 16:31 +0000
                        Re: Many ad SDKs share locations Maria Sophia <mariasophia@comprehension.com> - 2026-08-20 06:21 -0800
                          Re: Many ad SDKs share locations AJL <noemail@none.com> - 2026-08-20 15:17 +0000
                            Re: Many ad SDKs share locations Maria Sophia <mariasophia@comprehension.com> - 2026-08-20 08:44 -0800
                              Re: Many ad SDKs share locations AJL <noemail@none.com> - 2026-08-20 18:07 +0000
                                Re: Many ad SDKs share locations Maria Sophia <mariasophia@comprehension.com> - 2026-08-20 22:46 -0800
                                  Re: Many ad SDKs share locations AJL <noemail@none.com> - 2026-08-21 17:20 +0000
                                    Re: Many ad SDKs share locations Maria Sophia <mariasophia@comprehension.com> - 2026-08-22 11:04 -0800
                                      Re: Many ad SDKs share locations AJL <noemail@none.com> - 2026-08-22 21:43 +0000
                            Re: Many ad SDKs share locations Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2026-08-20 18:30 +0000
                              Re: Many ad SDKs share locations AJL <noemail@none.com> - 2026-08-20 20:20 +0000
                                Re: Many ad SDKs share locations Maria Sophia <mariasophia@comprehension.com> - 2026-08-20 22:45 -0800
                                  Re: Many ad SDKs share locations AJL <noemail@none.com> - 2026-08-21 16:51 +0000
                                    Re: Many ad SDKs share locations Maria Sophia <mariasophia@comprehension.com> - 2026-08-22 10:29 -0800
                                      Re: Many ad SDKs share locations AJL <noemail@none.com> - 2026-08-22 20:30 +0000
                                Re: Many ad SDKs share locations Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2026-08-21 07:51 +0000
                                  Re: Many ad SDKs share locations AJL <noemail@none.com> - 2026-08-21 17:41 +0000
                              Re: Many ad SDKs share locations Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-21 00:40 +0100
                                Re: Many ad SDKs share locations Maria Sophia <mariasophia@comprehension.com> - 2026-08-20 22:43 -0800
                                Re: Many ad SDKs share locations Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2026-08-21 07:59 +0000
                                  Re: Many ad SDKs share locations Maria Sophia <mariasophia@comprehension.com> - 2026-08-22 11:08 -0800
                              Re: Many ad SDKs share locations Maria Sophia <mariasophia@comprehension.com> - 2026-08-20 22:45 -0800
                  Re: Many ad SDKs share locations Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2026-08-20 22:58 +0200
                    Re: Many ad SDKs share locations Maria Sophia <mariasophia@comprehension.com> - 2026-08-20 22:43 -0800
              Re: Many ad SDKs share locations Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-21 00:23 +0100

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#155072

AJL wrote:
>>I can install an ad-supported app and it works fine, just without ads.
> 
>>> And you steal other peoples work. The deal is, that the app is for free,
>>> since the people offering the app get their payment through the apps. If
>>> you don't want to pay, just don't use these apps at all. If you still
>>> use it, you take something without letting people get paid for it.
> 
> I use an Android app called Reading Mode. On virtually any browser or app
>  page it strips off everything but the main text, including the ads. Am I
>  also stealing other people's work?

It's clear you've never taken logic, whereas in my logic classes decades
ago, as an undergraduate, your argument clearly puts forth a non sequitur
based on a false equivalence.

Your basic assumption that intelligent people must be stealing because they
can legally do things that unintelligent people can't do, is absurd.

The developer may have a legitimate business expectation that users will
see ads, but that is not the same thing as establishing that a user has
taken property without permission, which is what stealing ordinarily means.

The simple fact that intelligent people don't ever see ads is not stealing.

It's the same argument Apple religious zealots make all the time.
The fact they can't figure out how to use an app is not stealing.

They hate that they see ads.
I love that I never see ads.

The difference?
Intelligence.

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#155076

On 8/19/26 12:00 AM, Maria Sophia wrote:
>AJL wrote:

>>>I can install an ad-supported app and it works fine, just without ads.

>>>> And you steal other peoples work. The deal is, that the app is for free,
>>>> since the people offering the app get their payment through the apps. If
>>>> you don't want to pay, just don't use these apps at all. If you still
>>>> use it, you take something without letting people get paid for it.
 
>> I use an Android app called Reading Mode. On virtually any browser or app
>>  page it strips off everything but the main text, including the ads. Am I
>>  also stealing other people's work?

>It's clear you've never taken logic,

It's clear you've never taken reading comprehension.
 
Cause I was agreeing with you and disagreeing with the above poster you
 failed to identify. 
(Intelligent use of Usenet requires IDing all the quotes)

> whereas in my logic classes decades
>ago, as an undergraduate, your argument clearly puts forth a non sequitur
>based on a false equivalence.

There's no intelligence education bragging necessary for my argument. The
 obvious answer to my rhetorical question was that I was not stealing by
 using my Reading Mode app to remove the ads anymore than I would be
 stealing by just reading the text and ignoring the ads. A very intelligent
 argument don't you think?

>Your basic assumption that intelligent people must be stealing because they
>can legally do things that unintelligent people can't do, is absurd.

Lots of intelligent Usenet folks download commercial books on the binary
 groups to read. Is that stealing? Course it is. Any intelligent person
 would know that. 

>The developer may have a legitimate business expectation that users will
>see ads, but that is not the same thing as establishing that a user has
>taken property without permission, which is what stealing ordinarily means.

Yup. Intelligence. Intelligence. Intelligence. Gotta admire folks who brag
 about it...

>The simple fact that intelligent people don't ever see ads is not stealing.

Yup. Intelligent folks completely agree with your intelligent arguments.

>It's the same argument Apple religious zealots make all the time.
>The fact they can't figure out how to use an app is not stealing.

All the Apple owning folks I know seem intelligent enough. But I haven't met
 any of your intelligent religious zealots yet. If they can't figure out
 your intelligent logic I can see where you would think they are not
 intelligent. 

>They hate that they see ads.
>I love that I never see ads.

>The difference?

>Intelligence.

Aghhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh...  8-O

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#155129

AJL wrote:
>>It's clear you've never taken logic,
> 
> It's clear you've never taken reading comprehension.

Hi AJL,

My mistake. I apologize. I will always admit when/if I'm wrong.
Thanks for pointing it out.

I see now, only after looking back, that I confused you with Arno!
My bad.

It may have been Arno who was arguing that it's "stealing" to set up a
phone so that it doesn't show ads, not you. My bad. Mea culpa. 

I apologize to you for wrongly impugning your honor & good intentions. 

> Cause I was agreeing with you and disagreeing with the above poster you
>  failed to identify. 
> (Intelligent use of Usenet requires IDing all the quotes)

I apologize if/when I screw up. I kind'a checked out'ta this thread when I
decided to invest in writing an app to archive the homescreen APKs instead.

>> whereas in my logic classes decades
>>ago, as an undergraduate, your argument clearly puts forth a non sequitur
>>based on a false equivalence.
> 
> There's no intelligence education bragging necessary for my argument. The
>  obvious answer to my rhetorical question was that I was not stealing by
>  using my Reading Mode app to remove the ads anymore than I would be
>  stealing by just reading the text and ignoring the ads. A very intelligent
>  argument don't you think?

I again apologize that I didn't get that you were agreeing in that the way
the law and morals and basic human interaction works is the developer can
certainly "hope" that people will see ads that will enrich his bottom line.

As you're well aware, I contribute code myself, but I don't try to make
money off of my efforts (Lord knows, I should probably try maybe).

In my case, my phone "accidentally" lost the ability to display ads simply
because I removed everything I could think of that wasn't needed long ago.

That had the side effect of making it impossible for an ad to show up.

>>Your basic assumption that intelligent people must be stealing because they
>>can legally do things that unintelligent people can't do, is absurd.
> 
> Lots of intelligent Usenet folks download commercial books on the binary
>  groups to read. Is that stealing? Course it is. Any intelligent person
>  would know that. 

Again, I apologize for confusing you with Arno. Mea culpa. My bad.

The Apple folks are always maintaining that if you do anything that Apple
doesn't want you to do, then it's stealing from Apple, which kind'a is
where I was responding from. 

The Apple religious nutcases are far worse than any of the Android nutcases
are, in terms of proclaiming what is stealing, that's fer' sure.

To them, just watching YouTube sans ads is "stealing", in their opinion.

>>The developer may have a legitimate business expectation that users will
>>see ads, but that is not the same thing as establishing that a user has
>>taken property without permission, which is what stealing ordinarily means.
> 
> Yup. Intelligence. Intelligence. Intelligence. Gotta admire folks who brag
>  about it...

Good point. I've always been far more intelligent than most people are. 
But, of course, there are always those who are far more intelligent than I.

>>The simple fact that intelligent people don't ever see ads is not stealing.
> 
> Yup. Intelligent folks completely agree with your intelligent arguments.

Actually, you were agreeing, which I didn't pick up upon, so that makes me
stupid, although in my defense, I was getting tired of the idiotic
discussion that Android sd card was "obsolete", although I don't remember
who made that absurd assessment, but it was perhaps likely one of the
trolls (maybe Jeorg or s|b, but I don't recall which troll it may have
been).

>>It's the same argument Apple religious zealots make all the time.
>>The fact they can't figure out how to use an app is not stealing.
> 
> All the Apple owning folks I know seem intelligent enough. But I haven't met
>  any of your intelligent religious zealots yet. If they can't figure out
>  your intelligent logic I can see where you would think they are not
>  intelligent. 

Between just you and me, anyone who believes anything Apple marketing tells
them to believe is an idiot. All the Apple religious zealots are parrots.

> 
>>They hate that they see ads.
>>I love that I never see ads.
> 
>>The difference?
> 
>>Intelligence.
> 
> Aghhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh...  8-O

In the case of sd card, anyone saying they're "obsolete" certainly lacks
the ability to make logical assessments, don't you think?

Anyway, if I was so smart, I wouldn't have bothered to argue with them.
So that makes me stupid. :)

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#155133

Maria Sophia said:

>Between just you and me, anyone who believes anything Apple marketing tells
>them to believe is an idiot. All the Apple religious zealots are parrots.

Dunno about marketing but the 3 Apple devices (2 tablets: mini and biggie,
 watch, and phone) that live in my house have always worked just fine. And
 that's good cause when they need adjusting the owner has to consult a grand
 or great-grandkid as I'm useless... 

>In the case of sd card, anyone saying they're "obsolete" certainly lacks
>the ability to make logical assessments, don't you think?

Yes. I use SD cards to sideload my stored apks to my new tablet toys and
 also for my music when a tablet doesn't have enough internal memory for my
 2K+ songs. Surprisingly this Chromebook I'm posting with doesn't even have
 an SD slot. Guess ACER thinks they're getting obsolete? But I just use an
 adapter when necessary. No biggie...

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#155137

AJL wrote:
>>Between just you and me, anyone who believes anything Apple marketing tells
>>them to believe is an idiot. All the Apple religious zealots are parrots.
> 
> Dunno about marketing but the 3 Apple devices (2 tablets: mini and biggie,
>  watch, and phone) that live in my house have always worked just fine. And
>  that's good cause when they need adjusting the owner has to consult a grand
>  or great-grandkid as I'm useless... 

It's hard for me to respond that "Apple devices work just fine", because I
too have Apple devices & fer' sure they can't do half of what Android does.

As far as anyone on the Apple newsgroups has ever been able to figure out
over the years, there's only a single thing iOS does that Android can't.

Worse (much worse), I can make a list of things iOS can't do that will go
on seemingly forever, where anyone who says iOS does what he needs it to do
isn't lying - but they are telling me they don't do all that much with it.

>>In the case of sd card, anyone saying they're "obsolete" certainly lacks
>>the ability to make logical assessments, don't you think?
> 
> Yes. I use SD cards to sideload my stored apks to my new tablet toys and
>  also for my music when a tablet doesn't have enough internal memory for my
>  2K+ songs. Surprisingly this Chromebook I'm posting with doesn't even have
>  an SD slot. Guess ACER thinks they're getting obsolete? But I just use an
>  adapter when necessary. No biggie...

Like you, I use the sd card to offload my "data" such as the WhatsApp
videos of the grandkids, which I copy from internal storage to sd storage.

I don't remember who said sd tech was obsolete though, but, in reality,
anyone saying something that absurd clearly doesn't understand what it is.

There's a reason more than half of all current/new Android phones have it.
More importantly to your ACER point, there is a reason some don't have it.

IMHO, the only reason to remove sd functionality is to force people to be
so desperate as to feel the need to buy all the missing functionality back.

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#155141

On 8/20/26 9:44 AM, Maria Sophia wrote:
>AJL wrote:

>Between just you and me, anyone who believes anything Apple marketing tells
>them to believe is an idiot. All the Apple religious zealots are parrots.

>> Dunno about marketing but the 4 Apple devices (2 tablets: mini and biggie,
>> watch, and phone) that live in my house have always worked just fine.

>It's hard for me to respond that "Apple devices work just fine", because I
>too have Apple devices & fer' sure they can't do half of what Android does.

It depends on the user's needs. The user in my house is satisfied.

>As far as anyone on the Apple newsgroups has ever been able to figure out
>over the years, there's only a single thing iOS does that Android can't.

Don't know, don't care. Your Apple Android wars just don't interest me.

>Like you, I use the sd card to offload my "data" such as the WhatsApp
>videos of the grandkids, which I copy from internal storage to sd storage.

Lately I just download stuff from my Google Drive. It's much easier. To
 insert an SD card in this tablet I'm posting with I have to first remove my
 plastic cover, find an extraction pin, pop out the holder, stick the card
 in the holder - a major PITA with my fumble fingers, and then insert the
 holder. After that I have to reverse the process. Yuk. Thanks Google for
 making downloading things so much easier.

>IMHO, the only reason to remove sd functionality is to force people to be
>so desperate as to feel the need to buy all the missing functionality back.

No big deal for me. I haven't needed it on my phone for years. And on the
 Chromebook adapters are easy to use. And of course Google Drive is even
 easier to use (if you have the time of course)...

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#155161

AJL wrote:
>>It's hard for me to respond that "Apple devices work just fine", because I
>>too have Apple devices & fer' sure they can't do half of what Android does.
> 
> It depends on the user's needs. The user in my house is satisfied.

Hi AJL,

I actually disagree with you on that, but I fully understand why you
"think" they're happy, and, even, they think they're happy.

Isn't that weird? It is, to me.
They can't do much, but, oddly, they think they can.

Why?
Heh heh heh....

It interests me how otherwise smart people believe the marketing BS.

For example, they're not satisfied. And you might ask me how I know that.
I know it because I've asked key questions of hundreds of Apple users.

Yup. Even in the Costco line, I ask people about their iPhone's.
At the gas station, I ask them about gas, but in lines, it's the iPhone.

None of them can do much with that iPhone, because it can't be done.
What they REALLY do, is "just give up", when they want to do something.

I get it that you won't believe me that they "just give up". 
But you haven't studied it like I have, either.

Anyway, 

>>As far as anyone on the Apple newsgroups has ever been able to figure out
>>over the years, there's only a single thing iOS does that Android can't.
> 
> Don't know, don't care. Your Apple Android wars just don't interest me.

You've got it wrong. Very wrong. What interests me about Apple is that
almost everyone who buys an Apple product BELIEVING the marketing, is an
idiot, and yes, these may be otherwise some very smart people.

Yet, if they believe the marketing, then the fact is they're idiots.
That's what interests me.

How otherwise intelligent people believe the BS that Apple spews.
Note: Google/Motorola/Samsung/Microsoft/etc., spew marketing too.

It interests me how otherwise smart people believe the marketing BS.

> 
>>Like you, I use the sd card to offload my "data" such as the WhatsApp
>>videos of the grandkids, which I copy from internal storage to sd storage.
> 
> Lately I just download stuff from my Google Drive. It's much easier. To
>  insert an SD card in this tablet I'm posting with I have to first remove my
>  plastic cover, find an extraction pin, pop out the holder, stick the card
>  in the holder - a major PITA with my fumble fingers, and then insert the
>  holder. After that I have to reverse the process. Yuk. Thanks Google for
>  making downloading things so much easier.

I don't disagree that the highly marketed solutions are EASY to use.
They're designed to push you down a slide that they chose for you.

You don't even have to think about coming up with a solution.
They give you a ready-made solution that works if you follow it.

And, for which you pay for.

>>IMHO, the only reason to remove sd functionality is to force people to be
>>so desperate as to feel the need to buy all the missing functionality back.
> 
> No big deal for me. I haven't needed it on my phone for years. And on the
>  Chromebook adapters are easy to use. And of course Google Drive is even
>  easier to use (if you have the time of course)...

What always amazes me is how well Marketing works on people... 

I understand that you "don't need it" for years, but I can't tell if you
yet understand "why" you don't need it. (Hint: You paid to get it back.)

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#155172

Maria Sophia wrote:
>AJL wrote:

>It's hard for me to respond that "Apple devices work just fine", because I
>too have Apple devices & fer' sure they can't do half of what Android does.
 
>> It depends on the user's needs. The user in my house is satisfied.

>I actually disagree with you on that, but I fully understand why you
>"think" they're happy, and, even, they think they're happy.

Been with the Apple owner in my house 64 years now. Couple of rules: Happy
 wife, happy life, and if she ain't happy nobody's happy. She likes Apple
 stuff...I ain't arguing...

>> Lately I just download stuff from my Google Drive. Thanks Google for
>> making downloading things so much easier.

>I don't disagree that the highly marketed solutions are EASY to use.

I can't remember the last time I saw a Google ad on any of my stuff other
 than in the Play Store and even most of those are from the app authors.

>They're designed to push you down a slide that they chose for you.

Now my Amazon tablets did have ads on the lock screen. You could pay to keep
 them off but I kinda liked them as they were geared toward me. Cmon Google
 decorate my lock screen...

>> No big deal for me. I haven't needed it [SD card] on my phone for years. And on the
>> Chromebook adapters are easy to use. And of course Google Drive is even
>>  easier to use (if you have the download time of course)...

>What always amazes me is how well Marketing works on people... 

I don't need a trailer on my car either cause it carries all I need. No
 marketing involved...

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#155199

AJL wrote:
>>I actually disagree with you on that, but I fully understand why you
>>"think" they're happy, and, even, they think they're happy.
> 
> Been with the Apple owner in my house 64 years now. Couple of rules: Happy
>  wife, happy life, and if she ain't happy nobody's happy. She likes Apple
>  stuff...I ain't arguing...

I understand, where the best part is happy children 'cuz then I get to see
the grandchildren (and even one great grandchild!) every day I want to!

You may be aware that I dabbled in MARKETING professionally, where I'm
always amazed at the brilliant sway of Apple marketing over people.

Apple owners, by and large, are bamboozled like the Emperor's New Clothes.

They're happy.
Like he was happy.

>>> Lately I just download stuff from my Google Drive. Thanks Google for
>>> making downloading things so much easier.
> 
>>I don't disagree that the highly marketed solutions are EASY to use.
> 
> I can't remember the last time I saw a Google ad on any of my stuff other
>  than in the Play Store and even most of those are from the app authors.

You may be a bit less happy when you find out what Google is doing at this
very moment to make sideloading even apps from the play store miserable.
 <https://i.postimg.cc/4dj6YnZw/photo-2026-08-22-10-07-15.jpg>

Details will follow in... 
 From: Maria Sophia <mariasophia@comprehension.com>
 Newsgroups: comp.mobile.android
 Subject: PSA: Have you run into Google's newest APK sideloading protections yet?
 Date: Sat, 22 Aug 2026 10:27:48 -0800
 Message-ID: <116cpn3$1etb$1@nnrp.usenet.blueworldhosting.com>

I'm not sure if it's worth fleshing out that thread though, as most people
likely haven't run into that problem, so it may not be worth the effort.
 
>>They're designed to push you down a slide that they chose for you.
> 
> Now my Amazon tablets did have ads on the lock screen. You could pay to keep
>  them off but I kinda liked them as they were geared toward me. Cmon Google
>  decorate my lock screen...

I don't have a lock screen, per se (it's just a clock) but I get it that
sometimes, if the ad lowers the price, I might even buy the object. Maybe.

A few times, for example, I bought Windows S laptops as gifts, but I was
lucky that Microsoft made it easy to convert them to Windows 10 Home.

But being Windows S saved fifty bucks on each Costco laptop.

They should have charged me the fifty bucks when I converted them to Home!

Come to think of it, I think it was Arno who claimed if we did anything
that didn't make money for them, that it was "stealing", so the question
becomes did I "steal" from Microsoft by buying a Windows S laptop at Costco
which was fifty bucks cheaper BECAUSE it was Windows S and not Windows
Home?

>>> No big deal for me. I haven't needed it [SD card] on my phone for years. And on the
>>> Chromebook adapters are easy to use. And of course Google Drive is even
>>>  easier to use (if you have the download time of course)...
> 
>>What always amazes me is how well Marketing works on people... 
> 
> I don't need a trailer on my car either cause it carries all I need. No
>  marketing involved...

What amazes me is people think they didn't pay for the extra internal
storage in their car trunk, specifically so that they could "erroneously"
claim they don't need the extra trailer. 

My point is what you said is a direct parrot of what Marketing told you to
say.

Which means... marketing worked on you.

Otherwise, you would have said it quite differently.

That's a perfect example of how people think the way marketing taught them
to think, and I rebel against that. 

It's why I dislike religions, and why I ask everyone at the gas pump why
they're putting premium into a Honda Accord. 

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#155208

On 8/22/26 12:04 PM, Maria Sophia wrote:
>AJL wrote

>You may be a bit less happy when you find out what Google is doing at this
>very moment to make sideloading even apps from the play store miserable.
> <https://i.postimg.cc/4dj6YnZw/photo-2026-08-22-10-07-15.jpg>

Won't bother me. Likely just you geeks. Google can do no wrong... ;)

>>Now my Amazon tablets did have ads on the lock screen. You could pay to keep
>>them off but I kinda liked them as they were geared toward me. Cmon Google
>>decorate my lock screen...

>I don't have a lock screen, per se (it's just a clock) but I get it that
>sometimes, if the ad lowers the price, I might even buy the object. Maybe.

I keep all my devices locked when not in use. If I'm away when the burglary
 happens it may be several hours before I know my stuff is gone and plenty
 of time for the perp to burglarize me a second time by going through my
 online stuff. Happened to my neighbor. And in an earlier life I took
 thousands of such reports. Stuff like that helps to build one's paranoia...

>>I don't need a trailer on my car either cause it carries all I need. No
>>marketing involved...

>What amazes me is people think they didn't pay for the extra internal
>storage in their car trunk, specifically so that they could "erroneously"
>claim they don't need the extra trailer. 

Let me rephrase.

I bought a car/phone with a trailer hitch/slot but I've never needed to use
 it in 7 years so when I replace the car/phone I'll likely be happy with one
 that doesn't have a trailer hitch/slot.

That analogy any better?

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#155143

AJL <noemail@none.com> wrote:
[...]
> Yes. I use SD car ds to sideload my stored apks to my new tablet toys

  If this is for an Android-to-Android transfer, you might want to have
a look at Android's 'Quick Share' sharing facility (previously
Samsung-only, now part of Android). Quick Share handles transfers of
files and folders via Internet, i.e. local Wi-Fi or mobile data.

  A certain poster will be pleased to know that Quick Share also has
Apple AirDrop functionality, so the Walled Garden has yet another hole
in it.

>								       and
>  also for my music when a tablet doesn't have enough internal memory for my
>  2K+ songs. Surprisingly this Chromebook I'm posting with doesn't even have
>  an SD slot. Guess ACER thinks they're getting obsolete? But I just use an
>  adapter when necessary. No biggie...

  You mean you can even use SD-cards on devices which do not have a
SD-slot!? Technology never seizes to amaze me!

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#155145

On 8/20/26 11:30 AM, Frank Slootweg wrote:
>AJL <noemail@none.com> wrote:

>>I use SD cards to sideload my stored apks to my new tablet toys

>If this is for an Android-to-Android transfer, you might want to have
>a look at Android's 'Quick Share'

I've always loaded any apks I wanted on a case by case basis. Using a card
 for this WAS easy until my latest 2 toys with their convoluted slots. But
 since most of my long saved apks are for earlier versions of Android and
 fast becoming obsolete (like Groundhog) I think I'll just get out of the
 apk business altogether and just use the (gasp) Play Store. But thanks.

>>Surprisingly this Chromebook I'm posting with doesn't even have
>>an SD slot. Guess ACER thinks they're getting obsolete? But I just use an adapter.

>You mean you can even use SD-cards on devices which do not have a
>SD-slot!? Technology never seizes to amaze me!

And some sarcasm also never ceases to amaze me...  ;)

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#155159

AJL wrote:
>>If this is for an Android-to-Android transfer, you might want to have
>>a look at Android's 'Quick Share'
> 
> I've always loaded any apks I wanted on a case by case basis. Using a card
>  for this WAS easy until my latest 2 toys with their convoluted slots. But
>  since most of my long saved apks are for earlier versions of Android and
>  fast becoming obsolete (like Groundhog) I think I'll just get out of the
>  apk business altogether and just use the (gasp) Play Store. But thanks.

I like your balanced attitude, and I again apologize for confusing you with
Arno, who decidedly so, does not have a balanced attitude about things.

You're easygoing, like I am.
If you ever have a problem installing packages, let us know.

We've invested likely hundreds of threads, over the years, on solving that.

As you must know, I have over a thousand packages installed on my Android
phone right now, and probably, oh, I don't know, five thousand APKs saved.

Overall, I don't seem to have much of a problem getting older APKs to work.
But I'm on Android 13, and on Samsung, so, maybe that's why the difference?

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#155171

On 8/20/26 11:45 PM, Maria Sophia wrote:
>AJL wrote:

>>  since most of my long saved apks are for earlier versions of Android and
>>  fast becoming obsolete (like Groundhog) I think I'll just get out of the
>>  apk business altogether and just use the (gasp) Play Store.

>Overall, I don't seem to have much of a problem getting older APKs to work.
>But I'm on Android 13, and on Samsung, so, maybe that's why the difference?

Perhaps. But I've found less need for them over time. I'm mainly a news
 junkie and my current stuff like Dolphin with Java off, Firefox with
 extension help, etc. makes most sites palitable. Then for non-browser news
 apps Play Store apps like Reader Mode can reduce most busy articles to
 text. 

The other problem is the increased security on my current tablets refuse to
 load my old apks and current online apks like the newsreader that was
 recently suggested to me here. I suppose that is a good thing since I also
 do sensitive bank and investment stuff on this one...

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#155197

AJL wrote:
> The other problem is the increased security on my current tablets refuse to
>  load my old apks and current online apks

On that topic, I'd bet nobody but maybe Andy Burns on this newsgroup is
aware of what Google is doing to make it ever harder to sideload apps.
 <https://i.postimg.cc/4dj6YnZw/photo-2026-08-22-10-07-15.jpg>

It used to be, for example, that using Aurora to scrape the Google Play
repository was fine, as the app is *exactly* the same app either way.
 a. Same app
 b. Same hash
 c. Same everything

But wait... there's more.
 <https://i.postimg.cc/LXGtJhR1/shizushell-installer.jpg>

When you install an app via Aurora, unless you set some switches, it gets:
 Installer = Aurora Store <com.aurora.store>
 Actual installer = Aurora Store <com.aurora.store>

But when you install the exact same app (same hash!) via Google Play store:
 Installer = Google Play Store <com.android.vending>
 Actual installer = Google Play Store <com.android.vending>

Up until recently nobody cared what the internal metadata said about who
installed an app, but Google is making it harder and harder every day for
that installer to NOT be com.android.vending (which is the Google Play
Store app).

Luckily, for now, there are workarounds, but it's a never ending battle
as the last thing Google wants it to NOT be just like Apple is in terms of
locking down the device so that everything has to come from the App Store.

It's a topic of its own how to defeat Google's new sideloading protections.
 Newsgroups: comp.mobile.android
 Subject: PSA: Have you run into Google's newest APK sideloading protections yet?
 Date: Sat, 22 Aug 2026 10:27:48 -0800
 Message-ID: <116cpn3$1etb$1@nnrp.usenet.blueworldhosting.com>

>  I'm mainly a news
>  junkie and my current stuff like Dolphin with Java off, Firefox with
>  extension help, etc. makes most sites palitable. Then for non-browser news
>  apps Play Store apps like Reader Mode can reduce most busy articles to
>  text. 

What sites do you like to get your news? 

I get my news on Windows via a web browser that is more than two feet tall,
but I don't like clutter and things like news.google.com won't run on my PC 
(because of the vpn and other privacy stuff).

I also require my news to be balanced, just like I am, which means Fox news
is out of the question, as is MSNBC, or Al Jazeira for that matter.

I get news from, for example, the 'lite' sites, such as:
 <https://lite.cnn.com/>
 <https://text.npr.org/>
 <https://www.nbcnews.com/>
 <https://abcnews.com/International>
 <https://time.com/section/world/>
 etc.

I get my world news overseas from one site per country, e.g., being from
Germany myself, I get most of my related news from DW, but there are others
 <https://www.dw.com/en/top-stories/s-9097> Germany
 <https://www.euronews.com/news/international> EU
 <https://www.upi.com/Top_News/World-News/> UPI
 <https://www.bbc.com/news/world> BBC
 etc.

What lite sites do you prefer to get your news from?
Note the "lite" sites work great on Android but I read 'em on Windows.

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#155203

On 8/22/26 11:29 AM, Maria Sophia wrote:
>AJL wrote:

>>I'm mainly a news junkie 

>What sites do you like to get your news? 

Android Apps: Smartnews, Flipboard. Browser: Mostly local radio & TV sites
 which of course have national and world news. And The Register for tech
 stuff. I also have a (gasp) paid subscription to my local AZ Republic and
 read it using its Android app which shows either a photo copy of the paper
 edition and quite readable on this tablet or a text version. My favorite
 part? The funnies of course...

>I get my news on Windows via a web browser 

I mainly use the Android browsers Dolphin (Java off) and Firefox (with
 extensions). Then of course I have the installed Android Reading Mode app
 which reduces most everything to text (or voice) and works with both apps
 and browsers.

>I also require my news to be balanced, just like I am, which means Fox news
>is out of the question, as is MSNBC, or Al Jazeira for that matter.

I read them all...

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#155165

AJL <noemail@none.com> wrote:
> On 8/20/26 11:30 AM, Frank Slootweg wrote:
[...]
> >You mean you can even use SD-cards on devices which do not have a
> >SD-slot!? Technology never seizes to amaze me!
> 
> And some sarcasm also never ceases to amaze me...  ;)

  But that Google Translate did not spot my spelling error, does amaze
me. (It looked 'weird' when I typed it, so I fed it to Google Translate.
But hey, if Google says it's OK, it must be OK! NOT!)

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#155173

On 8/21/26 12:51 AM, Frank Slootweg wrote:
>AJL <noemail@none.com> wrote:
>> On 8/20/26 11:30 AM, Frank Slootweg wrote:

>>>You mean you can even use SD-cards on devices which do not have a
>>>SD-slot!? Technology never seizes to amaze me!

>>And some sarcasm also never ceases to amaze me...  ;)

>But that Google Translate did not spot my spelling error, does amaze
>me. (It looked 'weird' when I typed it, so I fed it to Google Translate.
>But hey, if Google says it's OK, it must be OK! NOT!)

We screw up all the time. And it's not just Google. No biggie. If you didn't
 catch my last screw up I listed my current 4 toys and called them 3. IMO
 what I said about Usenet language cops that make fun of those mistakes is
 true. They ARE being ASSHOLES. I just tried to be funny by ending this with
 "cary on" but this tablet won't let me and kept correcting the spelling
 mistake. I just cunt win. Hey it accepted "cunt". Wonder why...  8-O

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#155156

On 2026-08-20, Frank Slootweg wrote:

> AJL <noemail@none.com> wrote:
> [...]
>> Yes. I use SD car ds to sideload my stored apks to my new tablet toys
>
>   If this is for an Android-to-Android transfer, you might want to have
> a look at Android's 'Quick Share' sharing facility (previously
> Samsung-only, now part of Android). Quick Share handles transfers of
> files and folders via Internet, i.e. local Wi-Fi or mobile data.
>
>   A certain poster will be pleased to know that Quick Share also has
> Apple AirDrop functionality, so the Walled Garden has yet another hole
> in it.

What I've found on Android (also not well labeled, I guess, given that
it didn't present itself as an Android feature, and could well be a less
trustable preinstalled third-party app...), was something that did not
compare to Samsung's own wifi-based transfer, as "Quick Share" seemed to
require Bluetooth? I may have overlooked something, for sure...

(At the same time, Android 15 couldn't accept a file transfer over
Bluetooth proper!?)

>>  and
>>  also for my music when a tablet doesn't have enough internal memory for my
>>  2K+ songs. Surprisingly this Chromebook I'm posting with doesn't even have
>>  an SD slot. Guess ACER thinks they're getting obsolete? But I just use an
>>  adapter when necessary. No biggie...
>
>   You mean you can even use SD-cards on devices which do not have a
> SD-slot!? Technology never seizes to amaze me!

-- 
Nuno Silva

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#155158

Nuno Silva wrote:
> What I've found on Android (also not well labeled, I guess, given that
> it didn't present itself as an Android feature, and could well be a less
> trustable preinstalled third-party app...), was something that did not
> compare to Samsung's own wifi-based transfer, as "Quick Share" seemed to
> require Bluetooth? I may have overlooked something, for sure...
> 
> (At the same time, Android 15 couldn't accept a file transfer over
> Bluetooth proper!?)

Hi Nuno,

Let us know if there's anything you can't get on or off Android as we've
attacked that problem a billion times, over the years, in this Android ng.

I have iOS and Android devices, and I have little to no trouble getting
anything on or off Android (except, in the newer Android versions, if it's
in protected storage), but I do run into brick walls with getting things
onto and off of iOS, unless they're just media.

There are many solutions we've discussed on the iOS newsgroups, one of
which is localsend, but if you're on Windows, iOS natively does SMB better
than Android does.

In fact, after years of asking on the iOS groups what does iOS do that
Android doesn't, that's the only thing iOS does, that Android can't do.

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