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Re: EI mew ;abeling regulations June 20th 2025

From "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid>
Newsgroups comp.mobile.android, misc.phone.mobile.iphone
Subject Re: EI mew ;abeling regulations June 20th 2025
Date 2025-01-14 23:05 +0100
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On 2025-01-14 17:54, R.Wieser wrote:
> Carlos,
> 
>>> Besides, a troll normaly ends with (good-humoured or not) telling/showing
>>> his opponent(s) how they fell for their goading.  Instead arlen here just
>>> "fades away".
>>
>> We would have to discuss types of trolls :-)
>> I'm not an expert on that.
> 
> Luckily(!), neither am I. :-)
> 
>> He claims that he can be found by inspecting his headers and that I'm
>> stupid for not finding him fast. Is that true, is there a header that
>> gives him away, or at least rise the suspicions?
> 
> Not that  I know of.   Although in this case his (chosen by himself)
> "@facts.com" email addy does give a bit of a hint.

Right! That's in the name I use for his filter.

> 
> Furthermore "marion"s first post(!) containing "they're a moron" was enough
> to raise my suspicion, and the complaining about "I figured you out" will
> most likely have been a lighthouse signal to the one who made that remark.

That's true.

> 
> Quite a while ago I asked the same to someone here who said he had
> experience/knowledge with email and newsgroup headers, and even he said he
> could effectivily only make guesses.
> 
> Also, being able to just extract the users identity from the newspost
> headers would no go well with most of people - including arlen here - and
> the newsgroup provider enabeling such a thing would be hemmoraging users
> when that would come out in the open.
> 
> So no, there isn't anything in there from which you can extract a posters
> identity.
> 
> However, there is a (likely) possibility that one of those headers contains
> a random(sh?) number which, if you have access to the newsgroup-servers
> look-up table you could find the number and next to it the identification
> the person used to sign up with.

Yes, of course.

> 
> Than again, IIRC until last year I used an newgroup host which didn't ask
> for a signup, so the trace would end there.
> 
> And do realize that arlen is one of the knights-of-claim-a-lot, meaning that
> he seldom, if ever, supports his claims with verifyable data.

Right.

> 
> There are a few possibilities for his claim :
> 
> 1) He actually is able to do what he says.  Though he's way to eager to show
> off what all he can do, so I think we can forget about that.
> 
> 2) He thinks he noticed a constant or a pattern in those newsgroup-message
> headers contents, and concluded that that identifies him - blightely
> ignoring that even if we would know where that that constant would be
> located in the headers, we would not be able to ascertain who that that
> constant  belongs to.
> 
> 3) He's goading you/us with some "I know something you don't so I'm more
> important than you!".   Which he definitily is the person for.
> 
> Last but not least, I've not heard of anyone being able to do what arlen
> there has been claiming for years now.

Right.

> 
> To recuperate :
> 
>> is there a header that gives him away, or at least rise the suspicions?
> 
> Not to my knowledge.

Ok, so I was not missing anything.

-- 
Cheers, Carlos.

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              Re: EI mew ;abeling regulations June 20th 2025 Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-01-27 10:31 -0800
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                Re: EI mew ;abeling regulations June 20th 2025 "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-01-28 12:38 +0100
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