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Re: EI mew ;abeling regulations June 20th 2025

From Scott <newsgroups@gefion.myzen.co.uk>
Newsgroups uk.telecom.mobile, comp.mobile.android, misc.phone.mobile.iphone
Subject Re: EI mew ;abeling regulations June 20th 2025
Date 2025-01-05 20:44 +0000
Message-ID <klrlnj103vrnks585s4o4e01ptdfgm2bp4@4ax.com> (permalink)
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On 05 Jan 2025 20:19:22 +0000 (GMT), Theo
<theom+news@chiark.greenend.org.uk> wrote:

>In uk.telecom.mobile Scott <newsgroups@gefion.myzen.co.uk> wrote:
>> On Sun, 5 Jan 2025 17:47:44 -0000 (UTC), Tweed
>> <usenet.tweed@gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> >Scott <newsgroups@gefion.myzen.co.uk> wrote:
>> >> On Sun, 5 Jan 2025 17:33:29 -0000 (UTC), Tweed
>> >> <usenet.tweed@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> 
>> >>> Scott <newsgroups@gefion.myzen.co.uk> wrote:
>> >>>> On Sun, 5 Jan 2025 16:45:14 -0000 (UTC), Tweed
>> >>>> <usenet.tweed@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>>> 
>> >>>>> Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> wrote:
>> >>>>>> Pamela wrote:
>> >>>>>> 
>> >>>>>>> Wasn't there also a requirement for the battery to be user replaceable?
>> >>>>>> 
>> >>>>>> Not in effect for a couple of years, I think ...
>> >>>>>> 
>> >>>>> 
>> >>>>> https://environment.ec.europa.eu/news/new-law-more-sustainable-circular-and-safe-batteries-enters-force-2023-08-17_en
>> >>>>> 
>> >>>>> 2027, though I can?t find an exact date. Not just phones either. 
>> >>>> 
>> >>>> Electric vehicles? 
>> >>>> 
>> >>> I don?t think so. Things like power tools, radios, toothbrushes etc. A user
>> >>> replaceable EV battery could be quite a dangerous affair. 
>> >> 
>> >> It might improve the residual value though. 
>> >> 
>> >Unlikely. Batteries are around £2500 per 10kWhr retail judging by the cost
>> >of a house battery. 
>> 
>> Would it not allow an aftermarket for generic batteries instead of
>> being bound by the OEM? I was offered a second hand Zoe at a very low
>> price at one stage but when I realised the battery arrangements (lease
>> from Renault) and the very low range of such a model I dismissed the
>> idea very quickly. 
>
>EV batteries weigh about 200kg.  Consumers aren't going to be changing them
>because they don't have the lifting gear (hydraulic lifts and scissor
>tables).  If you have gear unscrewing them from the bottom of the vehicle is
>not complicated, although could be dangerous without safety precautions.  In
>no world are consumers going to be changing them like they change wiper
>blades.
>
>Batteries are designed to fit the car so you need to swap in an OEM battery
>- just like engines it may theoretically be possible to swap something else,
>but it's a lot of work (mechanically, electrically and software).  There is
>no standard 1.6 engine that'll fit in every car, and batteries are similarly
>bespoke.
>
That puts paid to the idea of having a standard battery for all the
cars and swapping them from underneath at the filling station using a
mechanical arm as was suggested at one time :-)

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