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Re: EI mew ;abeling regulations June 20th 2025

From Theo <theom+news@chiark.greenend.org.uk>
Newsgroups uk.telecom.mobile, comp.mobile.android, misc.phone.mobile.iphone
Subject Re: EI mew ;abeling regulations June 20th 2025
Date 2025-01-05 20:19 +0000
Organization University of Cambridge, England
Message-ID <ASw*sPR3z@news.chiark.greenend.org.uk> (permalink)
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In uk.telecom.mobile Scott <newsgroups@gefion.myzen.co.uk> wrote:
> On Sun, 5 Jan 2025 17:47:44 -0000 (UTC), Tweed
> <usenet.tweed@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> >Scott <newsgroups@gefion.myzen.co.uk> wrote:
> >> On Sun, 5 Jan 2025 17:33:29 -0000 (UTC), Tweed
> >> <usenet.tweed@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> 
> >>> Scott <newsgroups@gefion.myzen.co.uk> wrote:
> >>>> On Sun, 5 Jan 2025 16:45:14 -0000 (UTC), Tweed
> >>>> <usenet.tweed@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>> 
> >>>>> Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> wrote:
> >>>>>> Pamela wrote:
> >>>>>> 
> >>>>>>> Wasn't there also a requirement for the battery to be user replaceable?
> >>>>>> 
> >>>>>> Not in effect for a couple of years, I think ...
> >>>>>> 
> >>>>> 
> >>>>> https://environment.ec.europa.eu/news/new-law-more-sustainable-circular-and-safe-batteries-enters-force-2023-08-17_en
> >>>>> 
> >>>>> 2027, though I can?t find an exact date. Not just phones either. 
> >>>> 
> >>>> Electric vehicles? 
> >>>> 
> >>> I don?t think so. Things like power tools, radios, toothbrushes etc. A user
> >>> replaceable EV battery could be quite a dangerous affair. 
> >> 
> >> It might improve the residual value though. 
> >> 
> >Unlikely. Batteries are around £2500 per 10kWhr retail judging by the cost
> >of a house battery. 
> 
> Would it not allow an aftermarket for generic batteries instead of
> being bound by the OEM? I was offered a second hand Zoe at a very low
> price at one stage but when I realised the battery arrangements (lease
> from Renault) and the very low range of such a model I dismissed the
> idea very quickly. 

EV batteries weigh about 200kg.  Consumers aren't going to be changing them
because they don't have the lifting gear (hydraulic lifts and scissor
tables).  If you have gear unscrewing them from the bottom of the vehicle is
not complicated, although could be dangerous without safety precautions.  In
no world are consumers going to be changing them like they change wiper
blades.

Batteries are designed to fit the car so you need to swap in an OEM battery
- just like engines it may theoretically be possible to swap something else,
but it's a lot of work (mechanically, electrically and software).  There is
no standard 1.6 engine that'll fit in every car, and batteries are similarly
bespoke.

Theo

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