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  Death of the SIM card Shadow <Sh@dow.br> - 2015-07-20 10:59 -0300
    Re: Death of the SIM card RS Wood <rsw@therandymon.com> - 2015-07-20 17:53 +0300
      Re: Death of the SIM card Marko Rauhamaa <marko@pacujo.net> - 2015-07-20 18:09 +0300
      Re: Death of the SIM card Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2015-07-20 20:47 +0000
        Re: Death of the SIM card mm0fmf <none@mailinator.com> - 2015-07-20 23:17 +0100

#8175 — Death of the SIM card

http://gizmodo.com/the-death-of-the-sim-card-is-nigh-1718508752

A report from the Financial Times yesterday afternoon brought news
that both Samsung and Apple are close to agreeing on a common
architecture standard for an electronic SIM card that would replace
physical SIMs completely. It would allow you to change your carrier
without having to switch cards at all "an ability that would
fundamentally change how consumers sign up to mobile operators," as
the FT puts it.

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#8176

On 2015-07-20 16:59:45 +0300, Shadow said:

> http://gizmodo.com/the-death-of-the-sim-card-is-nigh-1718508752
> 
> A report from the Financial Times yesterday afternoon brought news
> that both Samsung and Apple are close to agreeing on a common
> architecture standard for an electronic SIM card that would replace
> physical SIMs completely. It would allow you to change your carrier
> without having to switch cards at all "an ability that would
> fundamentally change how consumers sign up to mobile operators," as
> the FT puts it.

Hmmm.  Got to think about this one for a moment.  Usually they portray 
these advances as benefits to the consumer when they're really benefits 
to the corporation.  I don't find SIM cards /that/ inconvenient, after 
all, and where I live the bulk of the population has bought dual-SIM 
phones that already do a nice job of balancing work and home life.  Is 
this really an effort to improve the user experience, or do electronic 
SIMs offer more benefits to the networks and device manufacturers?

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#8179

RS Wood <rsw@therandymon.com>:

> On 2015-07-20 16:59:45 +0300, Shadow said:
>
>> http://gizmodo.com/the-death-of-the-sim-card-is-nigh-1718508752
>>
>> A report from the Financial Times yesterday afternoon brought news
>> that both Samsung and Apple are close to agreeing on a common
>> architecture standard for an electronic SIM card that would replace
>> physical SIMs completely. It would allow you to change your carrier
>> without having to switch cards at all "an ability that would
>> fundamentally change how consumers sign up to mobile operators," as
>> the FT puts it.
>
> Hmmm.  Got to think about this one for a moment.  Usually they portray
> these advances as benefits to the consumer when they're really benefits
> to the corporation.  I don't find SIM cards /that/ inconvenient, after
> all, and where I live the bulk of the population has bought dual-SIM
> phones that already do a nice job of balancing work and home life.  Is
> this really an effort to improve the user experience, or do electronic
> SIMs offer more benefits to the networks and device manufacturers?

Maybe the mobile ecosystem overlords are ready to start trivializing the
network operators. The operators simply provide connectivity to the
networks and offer their packages in the appstores. You can switch
operators every day or become a regular subscriber.

I am all for the operators becoming commodity bitpipe suppliers.

However, we then have the ecosystem overlords that you are stuck with
once you buy a mobile device. There is no business in hardware anymore.
However, owning a major ecosystem makes everybody in the world work for
you as you get a handsome share of every transaction of every kind.

At some point the regulators must step in to trivialize the ecosystems
the same way. You should be allowed to use a number of competing
ecosystems regardless of the device you buy.


Marko

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#8190

On 2015-07-20, RS Wood <rsw@therandymon.com> wrote:
> On 2015-07-20 16:59:45 +0300, Shadow said:
>
>> http://gizmodo.com/the-death-of-the-sim-card-is-nigh-1718508752
>> 
>> A report from the Financial Times yesterday afternoon brought news
>> that both Samsung and Apple are close to agreeing on a common
>> architecture standard for an electronic SIM card that would replace
>> physical SIMs completely. It would allow you to change your carrier
>> without having to switch cards at all "an ability that would
>> fundamentally change how consumers sign up to mobile operators," as
>> the FT puts it.
>
> Hmmm.  Got to think about this one for a moment.  Usually they portray 
> these advances as benefits to the consumer when they're really benefits 
> to the corporation.  I don't find SIM cards /that/ inconvenient, after 
> all, and where I live the bulk of the population has bought dual-SIM 
> phones that already do a nice job of balancing work and home life.  Is 
> this really an effort to improve the user experience, or do electronic 
> SIMs offer more benefits to the networks and device manufacturers?

The device manufacturers want to take away the control that the MNOs
have - I can't imagine Apple much like having someone else in
their walled garden.


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#8191

On 20/07/2015 21:47, Huge wrote:
> On 2015-07-20, RS Wood <rsw@therandymon.com> wrote:
>> On 2015-07-20 16:59:45 +0300, Shadow said:
>>
>>> http://gizmodo.com/the-death-of-the-sim-card-is-nigh-1718508752
>>>
>>> A report from the Financial Times yesterday afternoon brought news
>>> that both Samsung and Apple are close to agreeing on a common
>>> architecture standard for an electronic SIM card that would replace
>>> physical SIMs completely. It would allow you to change your carrier
>>> without having to switch cards at all "an ability that would
>>> fundamentally change how consumers sign up to mobile operators," as
>>> the FT puts it.
>>
>> Hmmm.  Got to think about this one for a moment.  Usually they portray
>> these advances as benefits to the consumer when they're really benefits
>> to the corporation.  I don't find SIM cards /that/ inconvenient, after
>> all, and where I live the bulk of the population has bought dual-SIM
>> phones that already do a nice job of balancing work and home life.  Is
>> this really an effort to improve the user experience, or do electronic
>> SIMs offer more benefits to the networks and device manufacturers?
>
> The device manufacturers want to take away the control that the MNOs
> have - I can't imagine Apple much like having someone else in
> their walled garden.
>
>
+1

If I have an unlocked phone I can put any SIM into it and use it. If I 
have a virtual SIM in my phone I need to someone's permission to change 
it and you can be damn sure that, with time, issues will arrive that 
make it difficult to impossible to get the virtual SIM changed.

Why? Because Apple!

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