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  AltSlashdot becomes Soylentnews.org Koen Lefever <koen.lefever@gmail.com> - 2014-02-09 12:20 -0800
    Re: AltSlashdot becomes Soylentnews.org Spalls Hurgenson <spallshurgenson@gmail.com> - 2014-02-10 09:54 -0500
      Re: AltSlashdot becomes Soylentnews.org Koen Lefever <koen.lefever@gmail.com> - 2014-02-10 07:38 -0800
      Re: AltSlashdot becomes Soylentnews.org "q.kontinuum" <achsis_of_elvis@yahoo.com> - 2014-02-11 08:20 +0000
    Re: AltSlashdot becomes Soylentnews.org RS Wood <rsw@therandymon.com> - 2014-02-10 15:37 +0000
      Re: AltSlashdot becomes Soylentnews.org Koen Lefever <koen.lefever@gmail.com> - 2014-02-10 07:42 -0800
      Re: AltSlashdot becomes Soylentnews.org 2phar <none@example.com> - 2014-02-10 10:53 -0500
        Re: AltSlashdot becomes Soylentnews.org RS Wood <rsw@therandymon.com> - 2014-02-10 15:59 +0000
          Re: AltSlashdot becomes Soylentnews.org wjwlsn <ibillwilson@gmail.com> - 2014-02-10 08:44 -0800
            Re: AltSlashdot becomes Soylentnews.org RS Wood <rsw@therandymon.com> - 2014-02-10 19:46 +0000
        Re: AltSlashdot becomes Soylentnews.org Bill McGonigle <bill+usenet+2014@mcgonigle.us> - 2014-02-10 13:07 -0500
          Re: AltSlashdot becomes Soylentnews.org Koen Lefever <koen.lefever@gmail.com> - 2014-02-10 11:05 -0800
    Re: AltSlashdot becomes Soylentnews.org "tdk" <forum.tdk@squte.com> - 2014-02-11 04:24 +0424
      Re: AltSlashdot becomes Soylentnews.org John Brownalt <deconfliction@filteredperception.org> - 2014-02-11 11:36 +0000
        Re: AltSlashdot becomes Soylentnews.org "tdk" <forum.tdk@squte.com> - 2014-02-11 11:01 +1101
          Re: AltSlashdot becomes Soylentnews.org wjwlsn <ibillwilson@gmail.com> - 2014-02-11 10:30 -0800
            Re: AltSlashdot becomes Soylentnews.org 2phar <none@example.com> - 2014-02-11 14:26 -0500
              Re: AltSlashdot becomes Soylentnews.org wjwlsn <ibillwilson@gmail.com> - 2014-02-11 13:55 -0800
                Re: AltSlashdot becomes Soylentnews.org "tdk" <forum.tdk@squte.com> - 2014-02-12 06:29 +0629
                  Re: AltSlashdot becomes Soylentnews.org wjwlsn <ibillwilson@gmail.com> - 2014-02-12 09:12 -0800
                    Re: AltSlashdot becomes Soylentnews.org "tdk" <forum.tdk@squte.com> - 2014-02-12 15:52 +0000
                      Re: AltSlashdot becomes Soylentnews.org "wjwlsn" <ibillwilson@gmail.com> - 2014-02-12 17:56 +0000
                        Re: AltSlashdot becomes Soylentnews.org "tdk" <forum.tdk@squte.com> - 2014-02-14 04:42 +0442
                          Re: AltSlashdot becomes Soylentnews.org "tdk" <forum.tdk@squte.com> - 2014-02-14 07:11 +0711
                          Re: AltSlashdot becomes Soylentnews.org True Satan <true_satan@fastmail.co.uk> - 2014-02-14 13:27 +0000
                            Re: AltSlashdot becomes Soylentnews.org "tdk" <forum.tdk@squte.com> - 2014-02-14 08:33 +0833
                          Re: AltSlashdot becomes Soylentnews.org "q.kontinuum" <achsis_of_elvis@yahoo.com> - 2014-02-15 12:19 +0100
                            Re: AltSlashdot becomes Soylentnews.org "tdk" <forum.tdk@squte.com> - 2014-02-15 13:26 +1326
                              Re: AltSlashdot becomes Soylentnews.org "tdk" <forum.tdk@squte.com> - 2014-02-15 13:49 +1349
                              Re: AltSlashdot becomes Soylentnews.org "q.kontinuum" <achsis_of_elvis@yahoo.co.uk> - 2014-02-15 22:07 +0100
                            Re: AltSlashdot becomes Soylentnews.org "tdk" <forum.tdk@squte.com> - 2014-02-16 05:51 +0551
                              Re: AltSlashdot becomes Soylentnews.org "q.kontinuum" <achsis_of_elvis@yahoo.co.uk> - 2014-02-16 15:18 +0100
                                Re: AltSlashdot becomes Soylentnews.org "tdk" <forum.tdk@squte.com> - 2014-02-17 06:07 +0607
                      Re: AltSlashdot becomes Soylentnews.org 2phar <usenet9918@schartz.net> - 2014-02-12 19:03 -0500
                        Re: AltSlashdot becomes Soylentnews.org "tdk" <forum.tdk@squte.com> - 2014-02-13 04:45 +0445
            Re: AltSlashdot becomes Soylentnews.org "tdk" <forum.tdk@squte.com> - 2014-02-12 04:44 +0444
            Re: AltSlashdot becomes Soylentnews.org Oregonian Haruspex <bob_davis_retired@yahoo.com> - 2014-02-12 11:24 +0000
            Re: AltSlashdot becomes Soylentnews.org "tdk" <forum.tdk@squte.com> - 2014-02-12 09:24 +0924
      Re: AltSlashdot becomes Soylentnews.org "tdk" <forum.tdk@squte.com> - 2014-02-11 05:48 +0548
        Re: AltSlashdot becomes Soylentnews.org TrueSatan <true_satan@fastmail.co.uk> - 2014-02-11 12:22 +0000
          Re: AltSlashdot becomes Soylentnews.org "tdk" <forum.tdk@squte.com> - 2014-02-12 04:00 +0400
            Re: AltSlashdot becomes Soylentnews.org Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> - 2014-03-16 12:51 +0100
    Re: AltSlashdot becomes Soylentnews.org Koen Lefever <koen.lefever@gmail.com> - 2014-02-16 18:04 -0800
      Re: AltSlashdot becomes Soylentnews.org Oregonian Haruspex <bob_davis_retired@yahoo.com> - 2014-02-17 00:02 -0800
      Re: AltSlashdot becomes Soylentnews.org "q.kontinuum" <achsis_of_elvis@yahoo.co.uk> - 2014-02-17 09:08 +0100
      Re: AltSlashdot becomes Soylentnews.org Spalls Hurgenson <spallshurgenson@gmail.com> - 2014-02-17 09:56 -0500
        Re: AltSlashdot becomes Soylentnews.org RS Wood <rsw@therandymon.com> - 2014-02-17 16:27 +0000
          Re: AltSlashdot becomes Soylentnews.org Spalls Hurgenson <spallshurgenson@gmail.com> - 2014-02-18 09:38 -0500

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#330

I have set the email on the account wjwlsn to the one you're using here, and 
sent a password reset email. So you should be able to log in. I also had to 
change the email on wjwlsn_94460 because you can't have two accounts with the 
same email. 

I set it up so accounts are created from usenet postings but with the account 
email blank. This is just to stop random usenet posters getting spam emails if 
people used the contact form on squte or reset their password, but I might 
have to rethink that if enough people want to 'claim' their userid. 

In theory it updates the UI once an hour from usenet, but sometimes there are 
problems with the script and I have to restart it. 

regards ~tdk 
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#342

> I have set the email on the account wjwlsn to the one you're using here, and 
sent a password reset email. So you should be able to log in. I also had to 
change the email on wjwlsn_94460 because you can't have two accounts with the 
same email. I set it up so accounts are created from usenet postings but with 
the account email blank. This is just to stop random usenet posters getting 
spam emails if people used the contact form on squte or reset their password, 
but I might have to rethink that if enough people want to 'claim' their 
userid. In theory it updates the UI once an hour from usenet, but sometimes 
there are problems with the script and I have to restart it. regards ~TDK 

Awesome, thank you much. I was able to get it set up the way I want it. Now 
I'm posting this from s'qute. I do have one suggestion... the post voting 
buttons are pretty small, and in a slightly awkward spot. This is probably 
fine when using a mouse, but I'm quite frequently using a big fat thumb on a 
touchscreen interface; this is problematic. Would it be much trouble to make 
the buttons bigger, separate them from each other a little bit, and move them 
away from the original poster's userid? 

Also, I have a feeling that more than enough people will want to claim their 
userids, so an easier way for users to do it themselves will probably save you 
a lot of effort in the long run. 

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#396

Hi wjwlsn

Thanks for the feedback.

I have updated the code so users account emails are the same as in their usenet 
posts.

In practice this means there is now a procedure to 'claim' your account on squte.com:

1. find your posts on squte.com and copy the user-name it has created for you. <br\>
2. click the 'Request new password' link on the login form at the top right.<br\>
3. paste the user-name in (/not/ your email) and click 'Email password'.<br\>
4. follow the instructions in the email you'll get.<br\>

If this doesn't work or you have used a munged email in your posts you'll still 
have to contact me.<br\>

The button size issue is next on my todo list, I'll keep you updated.

Incidentally you can use simple html in your post eg <br\> / etc. Squte.com will 
try to do a translation to plaintext when posting to usenet, and it looks better 
on the site.

regards
~tdk
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#409

I got the slashes the wrong way round in my html - how ironic in a thread about 
/. 


The voting buttons are now larger and on the right. Unfortunately there isn't a 
separate site for mobile, so things like this are a bit of a compromise.

regards
~tdk
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#410

FAO tdk

 You are probably aware of this anyhow but in case it slipped your mind...

"This profile has been automatically created by squte from usenet 
postings. The existence of this user profile does not imply the user has 
created an account on squte.com. See squte.com/usenet_user_profile for 
details."

The mentioned squte.com/usenet_user_profile is a link that returns a 404 
message...maybe the link is mangled or you haven't created the page yet.

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#412

> You are probably aware of this anyhow but in case it slipped your mind... 

Thanks for reminding me, it was on my todo list but there are a few bugs with the 
site so I hadn't gotten round to doing it yet.

The page is up now so the link should work.

regards


~tdk
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#431

On 2014-02-14, tdk <forum.tdk@squte.com> wrote:
>

First of all, I like the idea for the website, and would like to use it once 
in a while (especially on my phone - I didn't find any decent usenet client for
smartphones. Maybe it is a problem of Windows Phone availability. Is any good
one available for Android available?)

But I hit some snags when I tried to claim my account.

> 1. find your posts on squte.com and copy the user-name it has created for you. <br\>

My username here is q.kontinuum. My account-link ends on "q-kontinuum".
My username for login seems to be "q kontinuum". This is all a bit confusing :-)

My home IP address was apparently blocked as supposedly belonging to a block
used for spamming. To unblock, a real name was required. Is there a deeper 
sense in it? Would a spammer likely give a real name / how would you check this?
I want to stay pseudonymous. I used a different internet connection instead of 
giving my real name.

> 2. click the 'Request new password' link on the login form at the top right.<br\>

I did this. With "q kontinuum" I got a message that I should get the password mailed
now. Unfortunately I did not yet receive a password, but I'm not sure as well
if you have the correct mail address. I messed up my client configuration and had
an invalid mail address configured for some hours. However, the posts assigned to
"q kontinuum" were posted with the correct address (unless I overlooked a typo)

Nevertheless, can you set the mail to achsis_of_elvis@yahoo.com? I can offer to 
post an identification message on /.org.

> 3. paste the user-name in (/not/ your email) and click 'Email password'.<br\>
> 4. follow the instructions in the email you'll get.<br\>

btw: Any chance you would work together with soylentnews? Or is the code base
too different?

Br,
Elvis

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#441

>  Is any good one available for Android ?
There weren't when I checked about a year ago. There is a good ssh client for android, 
so you can always ssh to a box with slrn installed.

> My username here is q.kontinuum. My account-link ends on "q-kontinuum". My username 
> for login seems to be "q kontinuum". This is all a bit confusing :-) 

Usernames can't have special characters in them, because nyms are often links and 
most users wouldn't know that %35%37 was the same person as "#%".

The space character is an exception because nyms often have spaces in them and most 
people (geeks anyway) should know that %20 is a space.

So Usenet nyms get characters that can't be in urls replaced with a space. This 
is on purpose.

I don't know why your profile link is squte.com/~q-kontinuum. I'd expect it to 
be squte.com/~q%20kontinuum, so it looks like a bug.
Its the same for squte.com/~true-satan, squte.com/~oregonian-haruspex etc.

> To unblock, a real name was required.

You don't have to give your real name, but type the actual string "real name". 
The captcha has to be confusing enough to trick bots.


 I've changed it now.

>  Unfortunately I did not yet receive a password,

The log shows several emails sent to achsis_of_elvis@yahoo.com. Are they in your 
spam folder? Or is there another address you could use?

> Any chance you would work together with soylentnews?

That needs a longer reply than I've time for now, I'll answer later if that's 
OK.

regards

~tdk
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#443

> Usernames can't have special characters in them, because nyms are often links and 
> most users wouldn't know that %35%37 was the same person as "#%".

> The space character is an exception because nyms often have spaces in them and most 
> people (geeks anyway) should know that %20 is a space.

Sorry, ignore all this. I'm talking rubbish. 
I forgot I updated the rules a while ago, nyms /can/ have some special characters 
like '.' in. I forgot to update the code that "cleans up" usenet nyms at the same 
time, so this is a bug.

Also "#%" is url encoded as %23%25. doh.

I suggest after you log in, you change your nym to "q.kontinuum", which you can 
do on your profile page.

cheers
~tdk




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#451

On 2014-02-15, tdk <forum.tdk@squte.com> wrote:
> The log shows several emails sent to achsis_of_elvis@yahoo.com. Are they in your 
> spam folder? Or is there another address you could use?

Aehm... This is a bit embarressing for me now... I usually don't use the yahoo 
mail address at all (it was created as a thow-away address years ago for
some forum.

In short: I got it still wrong. I tested it with my regular mail account, 
and the address is achsis_of_elvis@yahoo.co.uk (corrected in my news reader 
as well now.)

Thanks for the explanations (Yes, I read your followup on your post as well.)
Could you please change my mail address on squte.com for me?

Br,
Elvis

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#455

> btw: Any chance you would work together with soylentnews? Or is the code base too 
> different?

Well, from a technical point of view there are big differences.
soylentnews.org is slashcode, which is perl running directly on the DB. squte.com 
is in php on top of a high level framework (Drupal).

When I first set up squte.com as a slashdot look-a-like, I tried to use slashcode 
but found it a mess (see [2]). I switched to drupal with the slashcoments module 
[1].

I think a single dev could easily get a slashclone stable in a couple of days using 
slashcomments. Instead, soylentnews claim they have 30 devs, they've been fighting 
slashcode for a week, and still only have an alpha site.

The problems with slashcode must of already been fixed by the other slashdot clones, 
barrapunto.com, kuro5hin.org, etc. so the easiest fix would be to ask those sites 
for a snapshot of their code. But they haven't even contacted these sites, suggesting 
NIH syndrome.

Of course if they really just wanted to have a slashdot alternative - and didn't 
care who was running it - they could just redirect their domain to "www.kuro5hin.org/section/tech" 
and that's it. Problem solved.

There are even bigger idealogical differences. 

My vision for squte.com is to avoid the trap of 'community' sites that are actually 
owned by a business.

If you contribute to these sites you may think you are giving to the community, 
actually you are just donating IP to an entity that has a legal duty to it's shareholders 
to exploit it for maximum profit. The second it becomes more profitable to make 
the site less community-friendly, or put it behind a paywall, it will happen. 

IOW switching from slashdot to soylentnews doesn�t solve the basic problem.

Personally I will only contribute to a 'community site' if either all content 
is duplicated on Usenet (or a similar archived, open, network) or there is some 
guarantee they won't change the site against the users wishes.

soylentnews could have the site run by an elected foundation, instead it seems to 
be a friend-of-a-friend network of favouritism.     

I lurked on ###altslashdot for a while and just heard arguing about who was going 
to be allowed on the alpha site (and so get the lowest ids) - the decision was to 
base it on 'who you know' which led one user to describe soylentnews as "a hacker masonic lodge" 
and quit the project in disgust.

squte.com is an attempt to build a distributed discussion network that combines 
the free, open nature of Usenet with the relevance and interest of slashdot. I don't 
see soylentnews.org helping in this.

regards,
~tdk

[1] "https://drupal.org/project/slashcomments"
[2] "http://www.kuro5hin.org/?op=displaystory&sid=99/12/30/164224"



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#458

On 2014-02-16, tdk <forum.tdk@squte.com> wrote:
> When I first set up squte.com as a slashdot look-a-like, I tried to use slashcode 
> but found it a mess (see [2]). 

That's what I suspected, although I did not check the code myself.

> Of course if they really just wanted to have a slashdot alternative - and didn't 
> care who was running it - they could just redirect their domain to 
> "www.kuro5hin.org/section/tech" 
> and that's it. Problem solved.

I didn't take a closer look, but the last article there seems to be a
long rant on Steve Jobs without any good arguments. So the site (at
least section/tech) seems to be dead for good. (I'm not a Jobs-Fan,
but I think a critical obtuary is not the same as that rant. I didn't
check the policies on that site maybe the last article was just posted
by a troll and swarming it with ex-slashdotters might help.
>
> There are even bigger idealogical differences. 
>
> My vision for squte.com is to avoid the trap of 'community' sites that are actually 
> owned by a business.

Can I ask what are the expenses (besides time/effort) to run squte?
(Well, obviously I can. Will you answer? :-)) Does it break even by
advertisement? (Not interested if you make anything on top, that would
be well deserved for the effort anyway)

> IOW switching from slashdot to soylentnews doesn�t solve the basic problem.
>
> Personally I will only contribute to a 'community site' if either all content 
> is duplicated on Usenet (or a similar archived, open, network) or there is some 
> guarantee they won't change the site against the users wishes.

Would a download link from their database suffice?

> soylentnews could have the site run by an elected foundation, instead it seems to 
> be a friend-of-a-friend network of favouritism.

I suspected something like that, but didn't experience it in their
forums yet. So, I will keep an eye on their site as well and hope
traffic will also grow in this newsgroup.

> squte.com is an attempt to build a distributed discussion network that combines 
> the free, open nature of Usenet with the relevance and interest of slashdot. I don't 
> see soylentnews.org helping in this.

Good luck with that :-)

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#480

> So the site[kuro5hin.org] (at least section/tech) seems to be dead for good.

I used to use kuro5hin a lot, but you're right it looks dead now. My point was 
just that it uses the same code base as slashdot. 

> Can I ask what are the expenses (besides time/effort) to run squte?
The hosting and domain cost 180 USD a year. 

> Does it break even by advertisement? 
No. I only recently turned on google ads, and my expected income is a massive $2 
a year. 

> Would a download link from their database suffice?
This isn't an absolute rule, just a strong preference, e.g. I do post on slashdot 
occasionally.
It's not about saving my own posts (I keep a copy of everything I post anyway), 
but not liking a community to be hijacked.
If a site had an API to get content from it and promised to keep it available, I'd 
be happy with that.
eg Stackoverflow.com licences all user posts under a CC licence, and I'm sure there 
are people scraping it. So if the owners ever broke it some way, a replacement would 
pop up quickly with the some content. The fact that this can happen means stackoverflow 
is unlikely to pull a slashdot beta.


> I suspected something like that, but didn't experience it in their forums yet.
Actually I have to back down from this - serves me right for posting when hung over.
Their wiki was recently updated to imply it's likely to be non-profit and going 
to be run by the community, so I hope it works out that way.


> Good luck with that :-)
thanks.

~tdk
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#343

On 2/11/2014 7:00 PM, tdk wrote:
>
> I have set the email on the account wjwlsn to the one you're using here,
> and sent a password reset email. So you should be able to log in. I also
> had to change the email on wjwlsn_94460 because you can't have two
> accounts with the same email.
> I set it up so accounts are created from usenet postings but with the
> account email blank. This is just to stop random usenet posters getting
> spam emails if people used the contact form on squte or reset their
> password, but I might have to rethink that if enough people want to
> 'claim' their userid.
> In theory it updates the UI once an hour from usenet, but sometimes
> there are problems with the script and I have to restart it.
> regards ~tdk

hi tdk .. i've been trying to contact you via the site re same. However, 
I'll see if the hourly update works to pick up my adrs from this message 
.. cheers

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#361

Hi 2phar,



I have updated the account email for '2phar' to your email. You should get a password 
reset email soon.



Unfortunately there is no process at the moment for people to claim their Usenet 
accounts apart from asking me.



The best solution is to set up the user account with the email used in their posts. 
Then people can just click the reset password link.


I will work on this next.


This still won't help when people use fake emails in posts, but I can't see any 
easy fix for this.



cheers


~tdk
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#291

Thank you for your flattery, but it still needs polish. 

I've had a site on squte.com since 2007. Originally it was just a crude usenet 
archive. 

About a year ago I completely rebuilt the site. 

Usenet used to be an anarchic, free, intellectual commons full of life and 
debate. but its being replaced by the enclosure[1] of the internet by 
facebook, twitter etc. 

I wanted to help to preserve the spirit of usenet, not just historic posts. 

What is destroying Usenet is spam, trolling and flames, but the Slashdot mod 
system effectively filters out off-topic posts. So I reasoned if you combined 
a Usenet portal with Slashdot Karma you would get the free, anarchic, open, 
energy of usenet with the relevance and interest of Slashdot. 

Initially I tried to bolt my Usenet archive back-end on to slashcode, but I 
found slashcode hard to modify. 

So I changed to using Drupal + the slashcomments module [2]. 

This worked better. I ended up modifying slashcomments so much that I replaced 
it with my own custom code on top of Drupal, although it has a few bits of 
slashcomments still in e.g. the css files. 

If you are coming to squte.com from Slashdot, you might be interested in this 
part of the help page: 



Differences with the 'other place' 

Some users have defected to s'qute from the 'other place'. These are the 
differences. 

Anyone can moderate (vote) at any time. 

There is no 'metamoderation' - karma is based purely on your posting history. 

Moderation applies to stories as well as comments 

There are no 'editors', or everyone is an editor. 

Stories as well as comments may be hidden based on scores. 

The 'karma' algorithm used is more sophisticated (IMHO) giving more relevant 
comments. 

There are only two moderation options 'up' and 'down' instead of funny, 
insightful etc. 

[1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enclosure 

[2] https://drupal.org/project/slashcomments 

~tdk 


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#294

wjwlsn <ibillwilson@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Monday, February 10, 2014 7:00:14 PM UTC-5, tdk wrote:
>> Well you could of course have a web site interface to Usenet that uses a
>> Slashdot-like Karma system to moderate posts <wonder why nobodys thought
>> of that before ;-), and it took me less than 100 years>. But without
>> some way of communicating the moderations to other sites, users are
>> still locked in (tho less than with a forum site). You could add a layer
>> on top of Usenet to send 'mods' around, but Usenet has a lot of inertia
>> - there are hundreds of programs that use it and they would all need to
>> be updated. This is what killed off Usenet II, which was a tiny update
>> in comparison. So I think a new network is the only solution. regards
>> ~tdk -- View this thread at http://squte.com/node/4376#comment-10218
> 
> Holy crap! I'm just starting to scratch the surface at squte, but it
> seems awesome. I've just requested a password, and I'm going to try using
> it instead of Google Groups.
> 
> How long have you been working on this? (Less than 100 years, as you
> said, but could perhaps be a little more precise? And don't say "less than 10 years"!)

I really like this squte site.  Bravo.  To tdk, are you considering
mirroring comments posted to squte back onto Usenet?  I realize there could
be issues there but it would be neat to make it totally bidirectional.

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> I really like this squte site. Bravo. 

Thank you, though it still needs work 

> To tdk, are you considering mirroring comments posted to squte back onto 
Usenet? 

This is already done. Unlike google groups, you need to set up a Usenet 
account separately. To do this: 

Go to eternal-september [1], and get an account. 

log in to squte.com, click the 'My account' link then the 'News Host' tab. 
Enter these details in: 

Host Name: reader80.eternal-september.org 

Login Name: your e-s username 

Login Password: your e-s password 

Host Port: 80 

Then any comments you make on s'qute are automatically sent to Usenet. 

There are some bugs that are still being fixed, e.g. line wrapping. I'll keep 
people updated with posts on the site, unless people would prefer to discuss 
it here. 


[1] http://www.eternal-september.org/RegisterNewsAccount.php 

~tdk 
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#246

Oops, sorry. That post seems to have got corrupted somehow. Here's what it 
should have said: 

Creating a new site doesn't solve the basic problem. The issue is common with 
sites built with user content. 

Typically the TOS of the site say it can do whatever it wants with the 
content, and the site owners have an incentive to add as much advertising & 
costs as possible. Users can vote with their feet and leave, but there is an 
element of 'lock-in' because the user's profile, rep and history are on the 
site. The longer the site goes on and the more content there is, the bigger 
the lock-in and so the more the owners can squeeze the user-base. This makes 
it inevitable that the site will add more and more burdens on users over time, 
till a new site comes along that is - at first - friendlier to users. It 
happened to experts-exchange (replaced with stackoverflow), to Geocities, and 
now it's happening to Slashdot. 

Adding a new site with a new owner just defers the problem, because the same 
forces apply no matter how altruistic the initial owner. The only solution 
that could work would be if the site wasrun by an elected foundation, but that 
isn't ideal either. 

What's needed is an open platform that isn't owned by one site. this is what 
I've proposed with the Communion network [1]. This allows many sites to share 
a discussion, if a user doesn't like what one site does, they can go to 
another one and continue posting in the same thread with the same ID, the same 
reputation etc. 

In order to join the network, a site has to accept the licence that stops them 
putting content behind a paywall or otherwise locking it in. Communion has a 
user-moderation system similar to Slashdot's. 

[1] http://squte.com/communion-network 

regards ~tdk 
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#248

tdk wrote:

> Oops, sorry. That post seems to have 
got corrupted somehow. Here's what it
> should have said:
> 
> Creating a new site doesn't solve the 
basic problem. The issue is common
> with sites built with user content.
> 
> Typically the TOS of the site say it 
can do whatever it wants with the
> content, and the site owners have an 
incentive to add as much advertising
> & costs as possible. Users can vote 
with their feet and leave, but there
> is an element of 'lock-in' because the 
user's profile, rep and history are
> on the site. The longer the site goes 
on and the more content there is,
> the bigger the lock-in and so the more 
the owners can squeeze the
> user-base. This makes it inevitable 
that the site will add more and more
> burdens on users over time, till a new 
site comes along that is - at first
> - friendlier to users. It happened to 
experts-exchange (replaced with
> stackoverflow), to Geocities, and now 
it's happening to Slashdot.
> 
> Adding a new site with a new owner just 
defers the problem, because the
> same forces apply no matter how 
altruistic the initial owner. The only
> solution that could work would be if 
the site wasrun by an elected
> foundation, but that isn't ideal 
either.
> 
> What's needed is an open platform that 
isn't owned by one site. this is
> what I've proposed with the Communion 
network [1]. This allows many sites
> to share a discussion, if a user 
doesn't like what one site does, they can
> go to another one and continue posting 
in the same thread with the same
> ID, the same reputation etc.
> 
> In order to join the network, a site 
has to accept the licence that stops
> them putting content behind a paywall 
or otherwise locking it in.
> Communion has a user-moderation system 
similar to Slashdot's.
> 
> [1] http://squte.com/communion-network
> 
> regards ~tdk
It all sounds good, and the link you gave 
shows a clearly thought through system 
wioth a good deal of detail to it (you 
obviously put considerable thought and 
effort into it). My positive feelings 
towards the proposal notwithstanding who 
will code this system, support the 
development of the code and when will 
even an early alpha be available?

 In the mean time we have a workable 
system tghat we are using right 
now...there's nothing wrong with having a 
dream, wonderful things can start that 
way, but we also have to keep to 
practical realities that are available at 
this time.

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