Re: AltSlashdot becomes Soylentnews.org

From	TrueSatan <true_satan@fastmail.co.uk>
Newsgroups	comp.misc
Subject	Re: AltSlashdot becomes Soylentnews.org
Date	2014-02-11 12:22 +0000
Organization	A noiseless patient Spider
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tdk wrote:

> Oops, sorry. That post seems to have 
got corrupted somehow. Here's what it
> should have said:
> 
> Creating a new site doesn't solve the 
basic problem. The issue is common
> with sites built with user content.
> 
> Typically the TOS of the site say it 
can do whatever it wants with the
> content, and the site owners have an 
incentive to add as much advertising
> & costs as possible. Users can vote 
with their feet and leave, but there
> is an element of 'lock-in' because the 
user's profile, rep and history are
> on the site. The longer the site goes 
on and the more content there is,
> the bigger the lock-in and so the more 
the owners can squeeze the
> user-base. This makes it inevitable 
that the site will add more and more
> burdens on users over time, till a new 
site comes along that is - at first
> - friendlier to users. It happened to 
experts-exchange (replaced with
> stackoverflow), to Geocities, and now 
it's happening to Slashdot.
> 
> Adding a new site with a new owner just 
defers the problem, because the
> same forces apply no matter how 
altruistic the initial owner. The only
> solution that could work would be if 
the site wasrun by an elected
> foundation, but that isn't ideal 
either.
> 
> What's needed is an open platform that 
isn't owned by one site. this is
> what I've proposed with the Communion 
network [1]. This allows many sites
> to share a discussion, if a user 
doesn't like what one site does, they can
> go to another one and continue posting 
in the same thread with the same
> ID, the same reputation etc.
> 
> In order to join the network, a site 
has to accept the licence that stops
> them putting content behind a paywall 
or otherwise locking it in.
> Communion has a user-moderation system 
similar to Slashdot's.
> 
> [1] http://squte.com/communion-network
> 
> regards ~tdk
It all sounds good, and the link you gave 
shows a clearly thought through system 
wioth a good deal of detail to it (you 
obviously put considerable thought and 
effort into it). My positive feelings 
towards the proposal notwithstanding who 
will code this system, support the 
development of the code and when will 
even an early alpha be available?

 In the mean time we have a workable 
system tghat we are using right 
now...there's nothing wrong with having a 
dream, wonderful things can start that 
way, but we also have to keep to 
practical realities that are available at 
this time.

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AltSlashdot becomes Soylentnews.org Koen Lefever <koen.lefever@gmail.com> - 2014-02-09 12:20 -0800
  Re: AltSlashdot becomes Soylentnews.org Spalls Hurgenson <spallshurgenson@gmail.com> - 2014-02-10 09:54 -0500
    Re: AltSlashdot becomes Soylentnews.org Koen Lefever <koen.lefever@gmail.com> - 2014-02-10 07:38 -0800
    Re: AltSlashdot becomes Soylentnews.org "q.kontinuum" <achsis_of_elvis@yahoo.com> - 2014-02-11 08:20 +0000
  Re: AltSlashdot becomes Soylentnews.org RS Wood <rsw@therandymon.com> - 2014-02-10 15:37 +0000
    Re: AltSlashdot becomes Soylentnews.org Koen Lefever <koen.lefever@gmail.com> - 2014-02-10 07:42 -0800
    Re: AltSlashdot becomes Soylentnews.org 2phar <none@example.com> - 2014-02-10 10:53 -0500
      Re: AltSlashdot becomes Soylentnews.org RS Wood <rsw@therandymon.com> - 2014-02-10 15:59 +0000
        Re: AltSlashdot becomes Soylentnews.org wjwlsn <ibillwilson@gmail.com> - 2014-02-10 08:44 -0800
          Re: AltSlashdot becomes Soylentnews.org RS Wood <rsw@therandymon.com> - 2014-02-10 19:46 +0000
      Re: AltSlashdot becomes Soylentnews.org Bill McGonigle <bill+usenet+2014@mcgonigle.us> - 2014-02-10 13:07 -0500
        Re: AltSlashdot becomes Soylentnews.org Koen Lefever <koen.lefever@gmail.com> - 2014-02-10 11:05 -0800
  Re: AltSlashdot becomes Soylentnews.org "tdk" <forum.tdk@squte.com> - 2014-02-11 04:24 +0424
    Re: AltSlashdot becomes Soylentnews.org John Brownalt <deconfliction@filteredperception.org> - 2014-02-11 11:36 +0000
      Re: AltSlashdot becomes Soylentnews.org "tdk" <forum.tdk@squte.com> - 2014-02-11 11:01 +1101
        Re: AltSlashdot becomes Soylentnews.org wjwlsn <ibillwilson@gmail.com> - 2014-02-11 10:30 -0800
          Re: AltSlashdot becomes Soylentnews.org 2phar <none@example.com> - 2014-02-11 14:26 -0500
            Re: AltSlashdot becomes Soylentnews.org wjwlsn <ibillwilson@gmail.com> - 2014-02-11 13:55 -0800
              Re: AltSlashdot becomes Soylentnews.org "tdk" <forum.tdk@squte.com> - 2014-02-12 06:29 +0629
                Re: AltSlashdot becomes Soylentnews.org wjwlsn <ibillwilson@gmail.com> - 2014-02-12 09:12 -0800
                Re: AltSlashdot becomes Soylentnews.org "tdk" <forum.tdk@squte.com> - 2014-02-12 15:52 +0000
                Re: AltSlashdot becomes Soylentnews.org "wjwlsn" <ibillwilson@gmail.com> - 2014-02-12 17:56 +0000
                Re: AltSlashdot becomes Soylentnews.org "tdk" <forum.tdk@squte.com> - 2014-02-14 04:42 +0442
                Re: AltSlashdot becomes Soylentnews.org "tdk" <forum.tdk@squte.com> - 2014-02-14 07:11 +0711
                Re: AltSlashdot becomes Soylentnews.org True Satan <true_satan@fastmail.co.uk> - 2014-02-14 13:27 +0000
                Re: AltSlashdot becomes Soylentnews.org "tdk" <forum.tdk@squte.com> - 2014-02-14 08:33 +0833
                Re: AltSlashdot becomes Soylentnews.org "q.kontinuum" <achsis_of_elvis@yahoo.com> - 2014-02-15 12:19 +0100
                Re: AltSlashdot becomes Soylentnews.org "tdk" <forum.tdk@squte.com> - 2014-02-15 13:26 +1326
                Re: AltSlashdot becomes Soylentnews.org "tdk" <forum.tdk@squte.com> - 2014-02-15 13:49 +1349
                Re: AltSlashdot becomes Soylentnews.org "q.kontinuum" <achsis_of_elvis@yahoo.co.uk> - 2014-02-15 22:07 +0100
                Re: AltSlashdot becomes Soylentnews.org "tdk" <forum.tdk@squte.com> - 2014-02-16 05:51 +0551
                Re: AltSlashdot becomes Soylentnews.org "q.kontinuum" <achsis_of_elvis@yahoo.co.uk> - 2014-02-16 15:18 +0100
                Re: AltSlashdot becomes Soylentnews.org "tdk" <forum.tdk@squte.com> - 2014-02-17 06:07 +0607
                Re: AltSlashdot becomes Soylentnews.org 2phar <usenet9918@schartz.net> - 2014-02-12 19:03 -0500
                Re: AltSlashdot becomes Soylentnews.org "tdk" <forum.tdk@squte.com> - 2014-02-13 04:45 +0445
          Re: AltSlashdot becomes Soylentnews.org "tdk" <forum.tdk@squte.com> - 2014-02-12 04:44 +0444
          Re: AltSlashdot becomes Soylentnews.org Oregonian Haruspex <bob_davis_retired@yahoo.com> - 2014-02-12 11:24 +0000
          Re: AltSlashdot becomes Soylentnews.org "tdk" <forum.tdk@squte.com> - 2014-02-12 09:24 +0924
    Re: AltSlashdot becomes Soylentnews.org "tdk" <forum.tdk@squte.com> - 2014-02-11 05:48 +0548
      Re: AltSlashdot becomes Soylentnews.org TrueSatan <true_satan@fastmail.co.uk> - 2014-02-11 12:22 +0000
        Re: AltSlashdot becomes Soylentnews.org "tdk" <forum.tdk@squte.com> - 2014-02-12 04:00 +0400
          Re: AltSlashdot becomes Soylentnews.org Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> - 2014-03-16 12:51 +0100
  Re: AltSlashdot becomes Soylentnews.org Koen Lefever <koen.lefever@gmail.com> - 2014-02-16 18:04 -0800
    Re: AltSlashdot becomes Soylentnews.org Oregonian Haruspex <bob_davis_retired@yahoo.com> - 2014-02-17 00:02 -0800
    Re: AltSlashdot becomes Soylentnews.org "q.kontinuum" <achsis_of_elvis@yahoo.co.uk> - 2014-02-17 09:08 +0100
    Re: AltSlashdot becomes Soylentnews.org Spalls Hurgenson <spallshurgenson@gmail.com> - 2014-02-17 09:56 -0500
      Re: AltSlashdot becomes Soylentnews.org RS Wood <rsw@therandymon.com> - 2014-02-17 16:27 +0000
        Re: AltSlashdot becomes Soylentnews.org Spalls Hurgenson <spallshurgenson@gmail.com> - 2014-02-18 09:38 -0500

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