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Re: Why I dislike systemd

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Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net>:

> Maybe I mis-read the question, but the question seemed to be about "my
> new service". How does the distro know anything about a user developed
> service. If the question is about postfix, the distro does the service
> file.

Well, there's a double standard. That's for sure. In particular, it
isn't clear what is meant to be the division of labor between the
sysadmin, the distro and the developer. It's not spelled out.

Could the sysadmin replace the distro-provided systemd files? Should
they? Should the developer be prepared for the sysadmin to override the
developer's settings? These issues should be spelled out in the
developer's guide as well as the sysadmin's guide.

> Without reading the man page, I'm going to guess the space in a
> command would be backslashed.
>
> Now I read the command line section and it doesn't seem specific on
> the backslash, but I still think it will work. They do mention if you
> desire all the features of a shell command line you can get them by
> doing soemthing like:
>
>            ExecStart=/bin/sh -c 'dmesg | tac'

Unfortunately, they didn't provide a precise spec. The bit they did
provide was messy including all kinds of backslashing, quoting and
double dollar signs. It would have been helpful to provide an algorithm
(a python program, perhaps) that quotes an arbitrary argv[] onto the
ExecStart line.

What's more, the ExecStart escaping is not applicable to all settings.
So each setting is parsed differently.

(You really can't do it from the man page alone. I've fought my way
through much of this stuff putting together a product.)


Marko

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Why I dislike systemd Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2015-06-15 10:04 +0000
  Re: Why I dislike systemd Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2015-06-15 11:17 +0000
  Re: Why I dislike systemd Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2015-06-15 09:46 -0400
    Re: Why I dislike systemd RS Wood <rsw@therandymon.com> - 2015-06-15 17:24 +0300
      Re: Why I dislike systemd Marko Rauhamaa <marko@pacujo.net> - 2015-06-15 18:45 +0300
        Re: Why I dislike systemd Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2015-06-15 12:33 -0400
          Re: Why I dislike systemd Marko Rauhamaa <marko@pacujo.net> - 2015-06-15 21:16 +0300
            Re: Why I dislike systemd Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2015-06-15 15:19 -0400
              Re: Why I dislike systemd Marko Rauhamaa <marko@pacujo.net> - 2015-06-15 23:11 +0300
                Re: Why I dislike systemd Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2015-06-15 16:53 -0400
                Re: Why I dislike systemd Marko Rauhamaa <marko@pacujo.net> - 2015-06-16 00:14 +0300
                Re: Why I dislike systemd Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2015-06-15 21:02 -0400
                Re: Why I dislike systemd Marko Rauhamaa <marko@pacujo.net> - 2015-06-16 07:48 +0300
                Re: Why I dislike systemd Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2015-06-16 11:08 -0400
        Re: Why I dislike systemd Richard Kettlewell <rjk@greenend.org.uk> - 2015-06-15 19:20 +0100
        Re: Why I dislike systemd Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> - 2015-06-15 16:19 -0300
      Re: Why I dislike systemd Richard Kettlewell <rjk@greenend.org.uk> - 2015-06-15 20:13 +0100
    Re: Why I dislike systemd Bob Eager <news0005@eager.cx> - 2015-06-15 15:50 +0000
      Re: Why I dislike systemd Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2015-06-15 12:14 -0400
      Re: Why I dislike systemd Richard Kettlewell <rjk@greenend.org.uk> - 2015-06-15 17:18 +0100

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