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Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> writes: > On Wed, Nov 12, 2014 at 7:03 AM, Ben Finney <ben+python@benfinney.id.au> wrote: > > An ‘assert’ statement in the code will sometimes be active, and > > sometimes be a no-op, for *exactly* the same code under different > > circumstances. That's a trap for the reader, and I'd rather not set > > it. > > This is no worse than other forms of preprocessor magic. That other languages do it doesn't argue in favour of it. It argues, rather, that we should be glad not to have it in our Python code. > Again, not materially different from assert, and plenty of projects > have this. Maybe people just need to understand "assert == DEBUG" and > all's clear? The more things people need to keep in mind when reading my code that isn't stated explicitly in the code, the worse I consider the code to be. Python is a small, clear, expressive language. It has the valuable property that one does not need to keep in mind a lot of reminders of unexpected behaviour; good Python code behaves as it explicitly says it will, with very few implied surprises. To preserve this valuable but fragile property, I recommend treating ‘assert’ as a clever but obfuscatory trick, opposed to that property of Python. So an ‘assert’ statement should, IMO, not remain in the code past a debugging session. -- \ “The entertainment industry calls DRM "security" software, | `\ because it makes them secure from their customers.” —Cory | _o__) Doctorow, 2014-02-05 | Ben Finney
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I love assert Peter Cacioppi <peter.cacioppi@gmail.com> - 2014-11-11 11:40 -0800
Re: I love assert Ben Finney <ben+python@benfinney.id.au> - 2014-11-12 07:03 +1100
Re: I love assert Grant Edwards <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2014-11-11 21:43 +0000
Re: I love assert Ethan Furman <ethan@stoneleaf.us> - 2014-11-11 12:08 -0800
Re: I love assert Rob Gaddi <rgaddi@technologyhighland.invalid> - 2014-11-11 12:20 -0800
Re: I love assert Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> - 2014-11-11 20:34 +0000
Re: I love assert TP <wingusr@gmail.com> - 2014-11-11 12:57 -0800
Re: I love assert Terry Reedy <tjreedy@udel.edu> - 2014-11-11 17:34 -0500
Re: I love assert Ben Finney <ben+python@benfinney.id.au> - 2014-11-12 09:52 +1100
Re: I love assert Tim Chase <python.list@tim.thechases.com> - 2014-11-11 17:03 -0600
Re: I love assert Peter Cacioppi <peter.cacioppi@gmail.com> - 2014-11-11 15:02 -0800
Re: I love assert Ethan Furman <ethan@stoneleaf.us> - 2014-11-11 15:38 -0800
Re: I love assert Dan Stromberg <drsalists@gmail.com> - 2014-11-11 17:56 -0800
Re: I love assert Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2014-11-12 13:21 +1100
Re: I love assert Ben Finney <ben+python@benfinney.id.au> - 2014-11-12 13:35 +1100
Re: I love assert Grant Edwards <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2014-11-12 14:10 +0000
Re: I love assert Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2014-11-12 13:44 +1100
Re: I love assert wxjmfauth@gmail.com - 2014-11-11 23:14 -0800
Re: I love assert Terry Reedy <tjreedy@udel.edu> - 2014-11-12 03:29 -0500
Re: I love assert Anton <anton.schattenfeld@gmail.com> - 2014-11-12 12:53 -0800
Re: I love assert Marko Rauhamaa <marko@pacujo.net> - 2014-11-12 23:41 +0200
Re: I love assert Ethan Furman <ethan@stoneleaf.us> - 2014-11-12 13:52 -0800
Re: I love assert Marko Rauhamaa <marko@pacujo.net> - 2014-11-12 23:56 +0200
Re: I love assert Ian Kelly <ian.g.kelly@gmail.com> - 2014-11-12 15:04 -0700
Re: I love assert Anton <anschatten@gmail.com> - 2014-11-12 14:13 -0800
Re: I love assert Ian Kelly <ian.g.kelly@gmail.com> - 2014-11-12 15:41 -0700
Re: I love assert Anton <anschatten@gmail.com> - 2014-11-12 14:48 -0800
Re: I love assert Marko Rauhamaa <marko@pacujo.net> - 2014-11-13 01:01 +0200
Re: I love assert Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2014-11-15 10:40 +1100
Re: I love assert Marko Rauhamaa <marko@pacujo.net> - 2014-11-15 02:12 +0200
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Re: I love assert Marko Rauhamaa <marko@pacujo.net> - 2014-11-15 03:30 +0200
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Re: I love assert Tim Chase <python.list@tim.thechases.com> - 2014-11-14 20:14 -0600
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Re: I love assert Ian Kelly <ian.g.kelly@gmail.com> - 2014-11-12 16:02 -0700
Re: I love assert Anton <anschatten@gmail.com> - 2014-11-12 15:43 -0800
Re: I love assert Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2014-11-13 10:10 +1100
Re: I love assert Marko Rauhamaa <marko@pacujo.net> - 2014-11-13 01:23 +0200
Re: I love assert Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2014-11-13 10:27 +1100
Re: I love assert Marko Rauhamaa <marko@pacujo.net> - 2014-11-13 01:31 +0200
Re: I love assert Ethan Furman <ethan@stoneleaf.us> - 2014-11-12 14:47 -0800
Re: I love assert Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2014-11-14 22:37 +1100
Re: I love assert Ian Kelly <ian.g.kelly@gmail.com> - 2014-11-14 09:40 -0700
Re: I love assert Ian Kelly <ian.g.kelly@gmail.com> - 2014-11-12 15:07 -0700
Re: I love assert Marko Rauhamaa <marko@pacujo.net> - 2014-11-13 00:47 +0200
Re: I love assert Ethan Furman <ethan@stoneleaf.us> - 2014-11-12 14:56 -0800
Re: I love assert Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2014-11-13 09:58 +1100
Re: I love assert Ian Kelly <ian.g.kelly@gmail.com> - 2014-11-12 16:05 -0700
Re: I love assert Marko Rauhamaa <marko@pacujo.net> - 2014-11-13 01:12 +0200
Re: I love assert Lie Ryan <lie.1296@gmail.com> - 2014-11-14 01:09 +1100
Re: I love assert Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2014-11-14 22:33 +1100
Re: I love assert Ethan Furman <ethan@stoneleaf.us> - 2014-11-14 10:18 -0800
Re: I love assert Marko Rauhamaa <marko@pacujo.net> - 2014-11-14 21:12 +0200
Re: I love assert Ethan Furman <ethan@stoneleaf.us> - 2014-11-14 12:41 -0800
Re: I love assert Marko Rauhamaa <marko@pacujo.net> - 2014-11-14 22:50 +0200
Re: I love assert Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2014-11-15 13:58 +1100
Re: I love assert Ethan Furman <ethan@stoneleaf.us> - 2014-11-14 20:09 -0800
Re: I love assert Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2014-11-17 13:09 +1100
Re: I love assert Ethan Furman <ethan@stoneleaf.us> - 2014-11-16 19:25 -0800
Re: I love assert Anton <anschatten@gmail.com> - 2014-11-12 14:00 -0800
Re: I love assert Anton <anschatten@gmail.com> - 2014-11-12 14:04 -0800
Re: I love assert Marko Rauhamaa <marko@pacujo.net> - 2014-11-13 00:34 +0200
Re: I love assert Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2014-11-13 09:43 +1100
Re: I love assert Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2014-11-14 22:15 +1100
Re: I love assert Richard Riehle <rriehle@itu.edu> - 2014-11-14 14:09 -0800
Decorators (was: Re: I love assert) Marko Rauhamaa <marko@pacujo.net> - 2014-11-15 00:18 +0200
Re: Decorators Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> - 2014-11-14 22:37 +0000
Re: Decorators Marko Rauhamaa <marko@pacujo.net> - 2014-11-15 00:47 +0200
Re: Decorators (was: Re: I love assert) Richard Riehle <rriehle@itu.edu> - 2014-11-14 18:19 -0800
Re: Decorators (was: Re: I love assert) Mayank Tripathi <oquanox@gmail.com> - 2014-11-15 02:36 +0000
Re: Decorators (was: Re: I love assert) Tim Chase <python.list@tim.thechases.com> - 2014-11-14 20:30 -0600
Re: Decorators Marko Rauhamaa <marko@pacujo.net> - 2014-11-15 09:00 +0200
Re: Decorators Grant Edwards <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2014-11-15 15:32 +0000
Re: Decorators (was: Re: I love assert) Richard Riehle <rriehle@itu.edu> - 2014-11-14 23:42 -0800
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Re: Decorators Terry Reedy <tjreedy@udel.edu> - 2014-11-15 15:28 -0500
Re: Decorators (was: Re: I love assert) Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2014-11-16 02:39 +1100
Re: I love assert TP <wingusr@gmail.com> - 2014-11-27 01:22 -0800
Re: I love assert alister <alister.nospam.ware@ntlworld.com> - 2014-11-27 09:59 +0000
Re: I love assert Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2014-11-29 12:30 +1100
Re: I love assert MRAB <python@mrabarnett.plus.com> - 2014-11-29 02:56 +0000
Re: I love assert Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2014-11-29 20:31 +1100
Re: I love assert Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2014-11-29 21:40 +1100
Re: I love assert MRAB <python@mrabarnett.plus.com> - 2014-11-29 19:49 +0000
Re: I love assert Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2014-11-29 14:02 +1100
Re: I love assert Ethan Furman <ethan@stoneleaf.us> - 2014-11-29 14:33 -0800
Re: I love assert Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2014-11-30 19:18 +1100
Re: I love assert Ethan Furman <ethan@stoneleaf.us> - 2014-11-30 11:34 -0800
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