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| From | Ben Finney <ben+python@benfinney.id.au> |
|---|---|
| Subject | Re: I love assert |
| Date | 2014-11-12 07:03 +1100 |
| References | <96c138e4-ab95-4e5f-a0c8-e696b5a926bb@googlegroups.com> |
| Newsgroups | comp.lang.python |
| Message-ID | <mailman.15687.1415736251.18130.python-list@python.org> (permalink) |
Peter Cacioppi <peter.cacioppi@gmail.com> writes: > I get the impression that most Pythonistas aren't as habituated with > assert statements as I am. Is that just a misimpression on my part? If > not, is there a good reason to assert less with Python than other > languages? I don't know about comparisons like “use less with Python than other languages”. But I can explain why I don't use ‘assert’ much. > As far as I can tell, Python supports assert perfectly well. When run > with the optimization flagging, the asserts are truly removed. Exactly. I prefer the code I write to have as few surprises as possible. A reader familiar with Python should be able to read it and know what it does; ideally, even if that reader doesn't recall every detail of how Python operates. An ‘assert’ statement in the code will sometimes be active, and sometimes be a no-op, for *exactly* the same code under different circumstances. That's a trap for the reader, and I'd rather not set it. > I think one needs to take care with some basic assert coding - it's > not a substitute for unit tests, it doesn't absolve you of normal > exception responsibilities, and, most of all, it should be used for > passive inspection and not action. But given these guidelines, I still > find it very useful as "active comments". It's fine for debugging code while developing. But, in my opinion, it should never stay there, and should be removed before committing to VCS. -- \ “True greatness is measured by how much freedom you give to | `\ others, not by how much you can coerce others to do what you | _o__) want.” —Larry Wall | Ben Finney
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I love assert Peter Cacioppi <peter.cacioppi@gmail.com> - 2014-11-11 11:40 -0800
Re: I love assert Ben Finney <ben+python@benfinney.id.au> - 2014-11-12 07:03 +1100
Re: I love assert Grant Edwards <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2014-11-11 21:43 +0000
Re: I love assert Ethan Furman <ethan@stoneleaf.us> - 2014-11-11 12:08 -0800
Re: I love assert Rob Gaddi <rgaddi@technologyhighland.invalid> - 2014-11-11 12:20 -0800
Re: I love assert Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> - 2014-11-11 20:34 +0000
Re: I love assert TP <wingusr@gmail.com> - 2014-11-11 12:57 -0800
Re: I love assert Terry Reedy <tjreedy@udel.edu> - 2014-11-11 17:34 -0500
Re: I love assert Ben Finney <ben+python@benfinney.id.au> - 2014-11-12 09:52 +1100
Re: I love assert Tim Chase <python.list@tim.thechases.com> - 2014-11-11 17:03 -0600
Re: I love assert Peter Cacioppi <peter.cacioppi@gmail.com> - 2014-11-11 15:02 -0800
Re: I love assert Ethan Furman <ethan@stoneleaf.us> - 2014-11-11 15:38 -0800
Re: I love assert Dan Stromberg <drsalists@gmail.com> - 2014-11-11 17:56 -0800
Re: I love assert Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2014-11-12 13:21 +1100
Re: I love assert Ben Finney <ben+python@benfinney.id.au> - 2014-11-12 13:35 +1100
Re: I love assert Grant Edwards <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2014-11-12 14:10 +0000
Re: I love assert Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2014-11-12 13:44 +1100
Re: I love assert wxjmfauth@gmail.com - 2014-11-11 23:14 -0800
Re: I love assert Terry Reedy <tjreedy@udel.edu> - 2014-11-12 03:29 -0500
Re: I love assert Anton <anton.schattenfeld@gmail.com> - 2014-11-12 12:53 -0800
Re: I love assert Marko Rauhamaa <marko@pacujo.net> - 2014-11-12 23:41 +0200
Re: I love assert Ethan Furman <ethan@stoneleaf.us> - 2014-11-12 13:52 -0800
Re: I love assert Marko Rauhamaa <marko@pacujo.net> - 2014-11-12 23:56 +0200
Re: I love assert Ian Kelly <ian.g.kelly@gmail.com> - 2014-11-12 15:04 -0700
Re: I love assert Anton <anschatten@gmail.com> - 2014-11-12 14:13 -0800
Re: I love assert Ian Kelly <ian.g.kelly@gmail.com> - 2014-11-12 15:41 -0700
Re: I love assert Anton <anschatten@gmail.com> - 2014-11-12 14:48 -0800
Re: I love assert Marko Rauhamaa <marko@pacujo.net> - 2014-11-13 01:01 +0200
Re: I love assert Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2014-11-15 10:40 +1100
Re: I love assert Marko Rauhamaa <marko@pacujo.net> - 2014-11-15 02:12 +0200
Re: I love assert Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2014-11-15 12:04 +1100
Re: I love assert Marko Rauhamaa <marko@pacujo.net> - 2014-11-15 03:30 +0200
Re: I love assert Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2014-11-15 12:48 +1100
Re: I love assert Tim Chase <python.list@tim.thechases.com> - 2014-11-14 20:14 -0600
Re: I love assert Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2014-11-15 13:16 +1100
Re: I love assert albert@spenarnc.xs4all.nl (Albert van der Horst) - 2014-11-29 17:35 +0000
Re: I love assert Ian Kelly <ian.g.kelly@gmail.com> - 2014-11-12 16:02 -0700
Re: I love assert Anton <anschatten@gmail.com> - 2014-11-12 15:43 -0800
Re: I love assert Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2014-11-13 10:10 +1100
Re: I love assert Marko Rauhamaa <marko@pacujo.net> - 2014-11-13 01:23 +0200
Re: I love assert Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2014-11-13 10:27 +1100
Re: I love assert Marko Rauhamaa <marko@pacujo.net> - 2014-11-13 01:31 +0200
Re: I love assert Ethan Furman <ethan@stoneleaf.us> - 2014-11-12 14:47 -0800
Re: I love assert Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2014-11-14 22:37 +1100
Re: I love assert Ian Kelly <ian.g.kelly@gmail.com> - 2014-11-14 09:40 -0700
Re: I love assert Ian Kelly <ian.g.kelly@gmail.com> - 2014-11-12 15:07 -0700
Re: I love assert Marko Rauhamaa <marko@pacujo.net> - 2014-11-13 00:47 +0200
Re: I love assert Ethan Furman <ethan@stoneleaf.us> - 2014-11-12 14:56 -0800
Re: I love assert Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2014-11-13 09:58 +1100
Re: I love assert Ian Kelly <ian.g.kelly@gmail.com> - 2014-11-12 16:05 -0700
Re: I love assert Marko Rauhamaa <marko@pacujo.net> - 2014-11-13 01:12 +0200
Re: I love assert Lie Ryan <lie.1296@gmail.com> - 2014-11-14 01:09 +1100
Re: I love assert Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2014-11-14 22:33 +1100
Re: I love assert Ethan Furman <ethan@stoneleaf.us> - 2014-11-14 10:18 -0800
Re: I love assert Marko Rauhamaa <marko@pacujo.net> - 2014-11-14 21:12 +0200
Re: I love assert Ethan Furman <ethan@stoneleaf.us> - 2014-11-14 12:41 -0800
Re: I love assert Marko Rauhamaa <marko@pacujo.net> - 2014-11-14 22:50 +0200
Re: I love assert Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2014-11-15 13:58 +1100
Re: I love assert Ethan Furman <ethan@stoneleaf.us> - 2014-11-14 20:09 -0800
Re: I love assert Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2014-11-17 13:09 +1100
Re: I love assert Ethan Furman <ethan@stoneleaf.us> - 2014-11-16 19:25 -0800
Re: I love assert Anton <anschatten@gmail.com> - 2014-11-12 14:00 -0800
Re: I love assert Anton <anschatten@gmail.com> - 2014-11-12 14:04 -0800
Re: I love assert Marko Rauhamaa <marko@pacujo.net> - 2014-11-13 00:34 +0200
Re: I love assert Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2014-11-13 09:43 +1100
Re: I love assert Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2014-11-14 22:15 +1100
Re: I love assert Richard Riehle <rriehle@itu.edu> - 2014-11-14 14:09 -0800
Decorators (was: Re: I love assert) Marko Rauhamaa <marko@pacujo.net> - 2014-11-15 00:18 +0200
Re: Decorators Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> - 2014-11-14 22:37 +0000
Re: Decorators Marko Rauhamaa <marko@pacujo.net> - 2014-11-15 00:47 +0200
Re: Decorators (was: Re: I love assert) Richard Riehle <rriehle@itu.edu> - 2014-11-14 18:19 -0800
Re: Decorators (was: Re: I love assert) Mayank Tripathi <oquanox@gmail.com> - 2014-11-15 02:36 +0000
Re: Decorators (was: Re: I love assert) Tim Chase <python.list@tim.thechases.com> - 2014-11-14 20:30 -0600
Re: Decorators Marko Rauhamaa <marko@pacujo.net> - 2014-11-15 09:00 +0200
Re: Decorators Grant Edwards <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2014-11-15 15:32 +0000
Re: Decorators (was: Re: I love assert) Richard Riehle <rriehle@itu.edu> - 2014-11-14 23:42 -0800
Re: Decorators Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> - 2014-11-15 13:12 +0000
Re: Decorators Marko Rauhamaa <marko@pacujo.net> - 2014-11-15 15:24 +0200
Re: Decorators Terry Reedy <tjreedy@udel.edu> - 2014-11-15 15:28 -0500
Re: Decorators (was: Re: I love assert) Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2014-11-16 02:39 +1100
Re: I love assert TP <wingusr@gmail.com> - 2014-11-27 01:22 -0800
Re: I love assert alister <alister.nospam.ware@ntlworld.com> - 2014-11-27 09:59 +0000
Re: I love assert Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2014-11-29 12:30 +1100
Re: I love assert MRAB <python@mrabarnett.plus.com> - 2014-11-29 02:56 +0000
Re: I love assert Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2014-11-29 20:31 +1100
Re: I love assert Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2014-11-29 21:40 +1100
Re: I love assert MRAB <python@mrabarnett.plus.com> - 2014-11-29 19:49 +0000
Re: I love assert Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2014-11-29 14:02 +1100
Re: I love assert Ethan Furman <ethan@stoneleaf.us> - 2014-11-29 14:33 -0800
Re: I love assert Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2014-11-30 19:18 +1100
Re: I love assert Ethan Furman <ethan@stoneleaf.us> - 2014-11-30 11:34 -0800
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