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Why forrays into web 2.0 are slow (Was: Best of both worlds / Franz Lisp GI/S)

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Hi,

Interstingly JavaScript appeared already in 1995.
But it was mostoften totally ingnored as a means
for web 2.0, i.e. to include activity in a web site,

I guess the reason was speed, before Chrome V8
it was perceived as slow. Also with Chrome V8 people
shyed away because of transpilation effort.

What was winning more people was probably WASM,
here an example of REDUCE for the web:

Web REDUCE consists of a graphical user interface
(GUI) implemented using HTML, CSS and JavaScript
that runs a Wasm (WebAssembly) version of the
REDUCE engine developed by Arthur Norman and Avery Laird
https://reduce-algebra.sourceforge.io/web-reduce/about.php?start

I think it showed up in 2020.

Bye

Mild Shock schrieb:
> Hi,
> 
> Concerning notebooks, here is a Franz Lisp thingy
> but not yet notebooks, a couple of document windows:
> 
> GI/S: A Graphical User Interface
> For Symbolic Computation Systelns
> Douglas A. Young and Paul S. Wang
> https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0747717187800135
> 
> But notebooks are more tidy, aren't they? I basically
> wish for a combination of both. Like a feature for
> 
> selecting an output cell and detach it from the notebook
> into a separate window. This would be swell!
> 
> YouTube took a while to provide this for their videos,
> mostlikely some notebooks can do that already.
> 
> Bye
> 
> P.S: The hardware spec of the GI/S host:
> Although every attempt was made to keep the design of the
> GI/S as device independent as possible, the choice of the
> Tektronix 4404 naturally influenced the final design. The
> 4404 is equipped with 1.9 Megabytes of RAM, a 40 Megabyte
> hard disk, and uses a 68000 based CPU running a Unix-like
> operating system. The monochrome bitmapped graphics display
> provides 480 by 640 pixels resolution on a 9.5 inch by 7.0
> inch screen. The 4404 supports Franz Lisp [Foderaro, 1981],
> Version 42, which adds flavors, packages, objects,
> and other enhancements to Franz Lisp.
> 
> Mild Shock schrieb:
>> Hi,
>>
>> Maybe there is a strategy involved delaying
>> a start up and patents, until some stuff becomes hot.
>>
>> Or delaying stuff until the required hardware
>> becomes affordable to everybody. Not an issue
>>
>> for ChatGPT since it is anyway client server.
>> But you find GUIs for math symbolic systems
>>
>> basically derived from REDUCE in the dozens!
>>
>>  > The development of REDUCE was started in 1963 by
>>  > Anthony C. Hearn; since then, many scientists from
>>  > all over the world have contributed to its development.
>>  > REDUCE was open-sourced in December 2008 and is
>>  > available for free under a modified BSD license
>>  > on SourceForge. Previously it had cost $695.
>>  > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reduce_%28computer_algebra_system%29
>>
>> Bye
>>
>> Julio Di Egidio schrieb:
>>> On 15/06/2025 04:04, Mild Shock wrote:
>>>
>>>> So they came up with a patent already in 2012:
>>>
>>> << The conceptual step of converting an abstract
>>> representation (design or specification) of a software
>>> system, into a more concrete representation in the form
>>> of program code. >>
>>>
>>> "Already" in 2012?  That's the most ridiculous as well
>>> as the least original "invention" I have ever seen...
>>>
>>> -Julio
>>>
>>
> 

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