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Waste of time Java (not JavaScript) for Web (Was: Why forrays into web 2.0 are slow)

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Hi,

There was a lot of distraction with Java
Appelts, which are now dead. And probably
some people tried even JavaFX standalone
for better graphics:

 > In Autumn 2019 I began developing a new desktop
 > GUI for REDUCE called Run-REDUCE, written in
 > Java, which I continue to work on sporadically.
 > After writing a prototype using the Swing
 > graphics library I switched to JavaFX.
https://sites.google.com/site/fjwcentaur/home

But the web version looks fun. No need to
install a Java runtime and a now separate JavaFX
package. Or fetch some installer that gives you

both togethe with the application. Just take a
browser and a local HTTPs server:

 > Typeset mathematics is output using LaTeX
 > code generated by the REDUCE tmprint package
 > and rendered by the MathJax JavaScript library,
 > which is also used elsewhere on the REDUCE web site.
 >
 > Plotting is provided by Gnuplot compiled to
 > WebAssembly using Emscripten, based on work
 > by CD Clark III. The code to call Web Gnuplot
 > from Web REDUCE is based on work by Hermann Rolfes.

https://reduce-algebra.sourceforge.io/web-reduce/about.php?start

Bye

Mild Shock schrieb:
> Hi,
> 
> Interstingly JavaScript appeared already in 1995.
> But it was mostoften totally ingnored as a means
> for web 2.0, i.e. to include activity in a web site,
> 
> I guess the reason was speed, before Chrome V8
> it was perceived as slow. Also with Chrome V8 people
> shyed away because of transpilation effort.
> 
> What was winning more people was probably WASM,
> here an example of REDUCE for the web:
> 
> Web REDUCE consists of a graphical user interface
> (GUI) implemented using HTML, CSS and JavaScript
> that runs a Wasm (WebAssembly) version of the
> REDUCE engine developed by Arthur Norman and Avery Laird
> https://reduce-algebra.sourceforge.io/web-reduce/about.php?start
> 
> I think it showed up in 2020.
> 
> Bye
> 
> Mild Shock schrieb:
>> Hi,
>>
>> Concerning notebooks, here is a Franz Lisp thingy
>> but not yet notebooks, a couple of document windows:
>>
>> GI/S: A Graphical User Interface
>> For Symbolic Computation Systelns
>> Douglas A. Young and Paul S. Wang
>> https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0747717187800135
>>
>> But notebooks are more tidy, aren't they? I basically
>> wish for a combination of both. Like a feature for
>>
>> selecting an output cell and detach it from the notebook
>> into a separate window. This would be swell!
>>
>> YouTube took a while to provide this for their videos,
>> mostlikely some notebooks can do that already.
>>
>> Bye
>>
>> P.S: The hardware spec of the GI/S host:
>> Although every attempt was made to keep the design of the
>> GI/S as device independent as possible, the choice of the
>> Tektronix 4404 naturally influenced the final design. The
>> 4404 is equipped with 1.9 Megabytes of RAM, a 40 Megabyte
>> hard disk, and uses a 68000 based CPU running a Unix-like
>> operating system. The monochrome bitmapped graphics display
>> provides 480 by 640 pixels resolution on a 9.5 inch by 7.0
>> inch screen. The 4404 supports Franz Lisp [Foderaro, 1981],
>> Version 42, which adds flavors, packages, objects,
>> and other enhancements to Franz Lisp.
>>
>> Mild Shock schrieb:
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> Maybe there is a strategy involved delaying
>>> a start up and patents, until some stuff becomes hot.
>>>
>>> Or delaying stuff until the required hardware
>>> becomes affordable to everybody. Not an issue
>>>
>>> for ChatGPT since it is anyway client server.
>>> But you find GUIs for math symbolic systems
>>>
>>> basically derived from REDUCE in the dozens!
>>>
>>>  > The development of REDUCE was started in 1963 by
>>>  > Anthony C. Hearn; since then, many scientists from
>>>  > all over the world have contributed to its development.
>>>  > REDUCE was open-sourced in December 2008 and is
>>>  > available for free under a modified BSD license
>>>  > on SourceForge. Previously it had cost $695.
>>>  > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reduce_%28computer_algebra_system%29
>>>
>>> Bye
>>>
>>> Julio Di Egidio schrieb:
>>>> On 15/06/2025 04:04, Mild Shock wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> So they came up with a patent already in 2012:
>>>>
>>>> << The conceptual step of converting an abstract
>>>> representation (design or specification) of a software
>>>> system, into a more concrete representation in the form
>>>> of program code. >>
>>>>
>>>> "Already" in 2012?  That's the most ridiculous as well
>>>> as the least original "invention" I have ever seen...
>>>>
>>>> -Julio
>>>>
>>>
>>
> 

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