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Re: Check for military time

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Subject Re: Check for military time
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Erwin Moller schrieb am 2015-11-04 um 15:18:

> On 11/2/2015 6:57 PM, Arno Welzel wrote:
>  > Erwin Moller schrieb am 2015-11-02 um 13:51:
[...]
>  >> 2) Change the language, violate the logical assumption that each
>  >> opening tag should be accompanied by a closing tag.
>  >>
>  >>
>  >> It is beyond my understanding how anyone can opt for the second
>  >> option.
>  >
>  > You will do this, when you first had to spend hours in finding bugs
>  > in a system which consist of hundreds of files and some problem shows
>  > up caused by unintentional whitespaces.
> 
> No, that would not change my mind.
> I know how hard it can be to find bugs, especially on a huge codebase.
> I feel your pain.
> But cure is worse than the pain.

No - the cure is an official recommendation, as already mentioned
several times:

<http://php.net/manual/en/language.basic-syntax.phptags.php>

> The reason I make such a fuzz about this is this:
> Where does this kind of "improvements" end?

It is not an "improvement" - it's just part of the language PHP and
totally valid.

> Do you think it is acceptable if all calls to a method or function that 
> cannot be found will be replaced (by the language) by the one that 
> closely resembles the spelling used in the code because sometimes people 
> mistype the name of the function, or are confused by camelCase/CamelCase?

No. And you start to mix up things which have nothing to do with each other.

> Do you think it is acceptable if programmers leave out the closing curly 
> bracket in conditional statement, because they "forget sometimes" to 
> close it, and you have spend hours finding the problem?

No. And this also has nothing to do with the topic.

And as you introduced it - that's my response for this ;-)

<https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/slippery-slope>

> Really, sometimes you just have to draw a line, and demand a certain 
> mastery of the job. If people cannot deliver, they should go elsewhere.

I don't think this applies here.

>  >> What is even more flabberghasting is the fact many people are willing to
>  >> defend that crazy decision.
>  >
>  > As already mentioned by T. Lahn:
>  >
>  > <http://www.php-fig.org/psr/psr-2/>
>  >
>  > Cite:
>  >
>  > "The closing ?> tag MUST be omitted from files containing only PHP."
>  >
> 
> I choose to respond with:
> 
> https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/appeal-to-authority

Wrong.

I explained why I believe that it makes sense to omit closing tags in
PHP scripts to avoid an unintentional whitespace without - and my
argument was NOT that one should do just it, because some authority says
to do so! But since some people say that omitting a closing tag at the
end of a PHP script is just a dirty workaround I referred to
<http://php.net/manual/en/language.basic-syntax.phptags.php> and
<http://www.php-fig.org/psr/psr-2/> to show that *others* recommend this
as well - including the staff of PHP itself.


-- 
Arno Welzel
http://arnowelzel.de
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                Re: Check for military time Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2015-11-11 07:50 +0100
                Re: Check for military time Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2015-11-11 08:06 -0500
                Re: Check for military time Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2015-11-11 15:15 +0100
                Re: Check for military time Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2015-11-11 09:21 -0500
                Re: Check for military time Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2015-11-11 17:46 +0100
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                Re: Check for military time Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2015-11-11 08:05 -0500
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                Re: OT: Munging addresses Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2015-11-11 15:16 -0500
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