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Re: Check for military time

From Matthew Carter <m@ahungry.com>
Newsgroups comp.lang.php
Subject Re: Check for military time
Date 2015-10-29 21:44 -0400
Organization Ahungry (http://ahungry.com)
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Erwin Moller <erwinmollerusenet@xs4all.nl> writes:

> On 10/28/2015 4:29 AM, Jerry Stuckle wrote:
>>
>> YOU don't see any problem.  Good programmers do.
>>
>> Just wait until you run into a problem because of it.  Your tune will
>> change.  And I'm not the only one who feels this way.
>>
>
> Seconded.
> Always use the closing tag.
>
> <opinionated>
> If you get into trouble because you produce output after the closing
> tag, get another job.
> If that is over your head, you should change jobs, not the programming
> language (or usage of it).
> It isn't that hard.
> This advice from php.net is ridiculous.
>
> This reminds me a lot of the curly bracket in conditional statements.
> Some seem to think omitting them is alright for single statements.
> It is, of course, not alright to omit them.
> </opinionated>
>
> Regards,
> Erwin Moller

Other than a feeling of self righteousness, what is gained again?

Tell me, in these two sample files, which is easier to debug if the
aforementioned use cases occurred that cause an error when the file is
included by another file making use of header responses:

------------------File One (no closing tag, misplaced HTML)-----------
<?php

function add($a, $b) {
    return $a + $b;
}

<h1>This is my great page of addition!</h1>

------------------File Two (closing tag, extra space)-----------------
<?php

function add($a, $b) {
    return $a + $b;
}

?>


Assuming both were included/required in another file, which one would
the majority of programmers have an easier time pinpointing the error
with?  (hint: the one where the PHP error reporting would tell you
exactly where the faulty HTML was originating, NOT the file that was
outputting some whitespace before a header call - that error would send
you to the header() call line, not the bad file with trailing space).

There have been 0 good reasons for including a closing tag (it's just too
bad we can't actually have a '.phpdef' file type or something that
simulates a 100% PHP only file, without dropping in and out of tags and
just avoids the use of the <?php ?> nonsense entirely).

-- 
Matthew Carter (m@ahungry.com)
http://ahungry.com

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Check for military time Derek Turner <frderek@suremail.je> - 2015-10-20 18:57 +0000
  Re: Check for military time Derek Turner <frderek@suremail.je> - 2015-10-20 19:00 +0000
    Re: Check for military time Richard Yates <richard@yatesguitar.com> - 2015-10-20 21:35 -0700
      Re: Check for military time Lew Pitcher <lew.pitcher@digitalfreehold.ca> - 2015-10-21 16:12 -0400
        Re: Check for military time Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2015-10-21 22:38 -0400
          Re: Check for military time Lew Pitcher <lew.pitcher@digitalfreehold.ca> - 2015-10-22 10:43 -0400
            Re: Check for military time Lew Pitcher <lew.pitcher@digitalfreehold.ca> - 2015-10-22 10:48 -0400
            Re: Check for military time Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2015-10-22 17:20 +0200
            Re: Check for military time Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2015-10-22 12:19 -0400
            Re: Check for military time "Peter H. Coffin" <hellsop@ninehells.com> - 2015-10-22 15:32 -0500
              Re: Check for military time Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2015-10-22 23:08 +0200
                Re: Check for military time Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2015-10-22 20:19 -0400
                Re: Check for military time Matthew Carter <m@ahungry.com> - 2015-10-22 22:07 -0400
                Re: Check for military time "Beauregard T. Shagnasty" <a.nony.mous@example.invalid> - 2015-10-23 02:26 +0000
              Re: Check for military time Lew Pitcher <lew.pitcher@digitalfreehold.ca> - 2015-10-22 17:13 -0400
                Re: Check for military time Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2015-10-22 22:57 +0100
                Re: Check for military time Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2015-10-22 20:22 -0400
                Re: Check for military time Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2015-10-23 09:19 +0100
                Re: Check for military time Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2015-10-23 09:32 -0400
                Re: Check for military time Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2015-10-23 15:43 +0100
                Re: Check for military time Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2015-10-23 11:11 -0400
                Re: Check for military time gordonb.nwjln@burditt.org (Gordon Burditt) - 2015-10-23 12:36 -0500
                Re: Check for military time Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2015-10-23 13:40 -0400
                Re: Check for military time Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2015-10-23 18:54 +0100
                Re: Check for military time Norman Peelman <npeelman@cfl.rr.com> - 2015-10-23 22:44 -0400
                Re: Check for military time Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2015-10-24 10:32 +0100
                Re: Check for military time Derek Turner <frderek@suremail.je> - 2015-10-24 11:41 +0000
                Re: Check for military time Norman Peelman <npeelman@cfl.rr.com> - 2015-10-24 15:15 -0400
                Re: Check for military time Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2015-10-22 20:21 -0400
                Re: Check for military time Lew Pitcher <lew.pitcher@digitalfreehold.ca> - 2015-10-22 20:38 -0400
                Re: Check for military time Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2015-10-22 20:47 -0400
              Re: Check for military time gordonb.90ylr@burditt.org (Gordon Burditt) - 2015-10-22 18:21 -0500
                Re: Check for military time Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2015-10-22 20:23 -0400
            Re: Check for military time gordonb.c5zx1@burditt.org (Gordon Burditt) - 2015-10-22 17:40 -0500
        Re: Check for military time Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2015-10-22 11:12 +0200
          Re: Check for military time Lew Pitcher <lew.pitcher@digitalfreehold.ca> - 2015-10-22 11:06 -0400
            Re: Check for military time Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2015-10-22 17:18 +0200
        Re: Check for military time Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2015-10-22 13:17 -0400
  Re: Check for military time Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2015-10-21 13:55 +0200
    Re: Check for military time "M. Strobel" <strobel@example.com> - 2015-10-21 20:56 +0200
      Re: Check for military time Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2015-10-21 16:48 -0400
  Re: Check for military time Stephan Elinghaus <221015.6.seli@spamgourmet.com> - 2015-10-22 13:16 +0200
    Re: Check for military time Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2015-10-22 15:11 +0200
      Re: Check for military time Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2015-10-22 10:23 -0400
        Re: Check for military time Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2015-10-27 14:10 +0100
          Re: Check for military time Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2015-10-27 09:25 -0400
            Re: Check for military time Jørn Andersen <jorn@jorna.dk> - 2015-10-27 15:19 +0100
              Re: Check for military time Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2015-10-27 10:41 -0400
                Re: Check for military time Matthew Carter <m@ahungry.com> - 2015-10-27 23:03 -0400
                Re: Check for military time Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2015-10-27 23:29 -0400
                Re: Check for military time Erwin Moller <erwinmollerusenet@xs4all.nl> - 2015-10-29 10:08 +0100
                Re: Check for military time Matthew Carter <m@ahungry.com> - 2015-10-29 21:44 -0400
                Re: Check for military time Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2015-10-29 22:35 -0400
                Re: Check for military time Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2015-10-30 20:08 +0100
                Re: Check for military time Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2015-10-30 16:22 -0400
                Re: Check for military time Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2015-11-01 11:58 +0100
                Re: Check for military time Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2015-11-01 08:27 -0500
                Re: Check for military time Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2015-11-01 14:36 +0100
                Re: Check for military time Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2015-11-01 09:05 -0500
                Re: Check for military time Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2015-11-01 16:51 +0100
                Re: Check for military time Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2015-11-01 11:09 -0500
                Re: Check for military time Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2015-10-30 22:33 +0100
                Re: Check for military time Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2015-10-30 20:01 -0400
                Re: Check for military time Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2015-11-03 19:51 +0100
                Re: Check for military time Erwin Moller <erwinmollerusenet@xs4all.nl> - 2015-11-02 13:51 +0100
                Re: Check for military time Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2015-11-02 18:57 +0100
                Re: Check for military time Erwin Moller <erwinmollerusenet@xs4all.nl> - 2015-11-04 15:18 +0100
                Re: Check for military time Matthew Carter <m@ahungry.com> - 2015-11-04 21:18 -0500
                Re: Check for military time Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2015-11-05 07:51 +0100
                Re: Check for military time Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2015-10-30 20:04 +0100
                Re: Check for military time Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2015-10-30 16:24 -0400
                Re: Check for military time Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2015-11-01 12:06 +0100
                Re: Check for military time Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2015-11-01 08:30 -0500
                Re: Check for military time Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2015-11-01 14:39 +0100
                Re: Check for military time Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2015-11-01 09:07 -0500
                Re: Check for military time Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2015-11-01 16:58 +0100
                Re: Check for military time Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2015-11-01 11:05 -0500
                Re: Check for military time Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2015-11-02 08:14 +0100
                Re: Check for military time Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2015-11-02 10:01 -0500
                Re: Check for military time Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2015-11-02 17:54 +0100
                Re: Check for military time Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2015-11-02 12:50 -0500
                Re: Check for military time Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2015-11-02 19:05 +0100
                Re: Check for military time Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2015-11-02 18:23 +0000
                Re: Check for military time Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2015-11-02 15:23 -0500
                Re: Check for military time Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2015-11-02 15:16 -0500
                Re: Check for military time Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2015-11-03 05:47 +0100
                Re: Check for military time Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2015-11-03 08:47 -0500
                Re: Check for military time Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2015-11-04 03:55 +0100
                Re: Check for military time Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2015-11-03 22:09 -0500
                Re: Check for military time Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2015-11-04 08:49 +0100
                Re: Check for military time Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2015-11-04 08:29 -0500
                Re: Check for military time Paul Herber <paul@pherber.com> - 2015-11-04 14:14 +0000
                Re: Check for military time Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2015-11-04 10:00 -0500
                Re: Check for military time Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2015-11-06 13:11 +0100
                Re: Check for military time Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2015-11-06 09:45 -0500
                Re: Check for military time Matthew Carter <m@ahungry.com> - 2015-11-07 21:50 -0500
                Re: Check for military time Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2015-11-07 22:05 -0500
                Re: Check for military time gordonb.2zzss@burditt.org (Gordon Burditt) - 2015-11-08 20:50 -0600
                Re: Check for military time Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2015-11-09 10:29 +0100
                Re: Check for military time gordonb.00syf@burditt.org (Gordon Burditt) - 2015-11-10 23:42 -0600
                Re: Check for military time Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2015-11-11 07:46 +0100
                Re: Check for military time Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2015-11-11 07:50 +0100
                Re: Check for military time Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2015-11-11 08:06 -0500
                Re: Check for military time Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2015-11-11 15:15 +0100
                Re: Check for military time Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2015-11-11 09:21 -0500
                Re: Check for military time Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2015-11-11 17:46 +0100
                Re: Check for military time Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2015-11-11 15:12 -0500
                Re: Check for military time Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2015-11-11 22:23 +0100
                Re: Check for military time Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2015-11-11 17:17 -0500
                Re: Check for military time Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2015-11-11 08:05 -0500
                OT: Munging addresses (was: Re: Check for military time) Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2015-11-11 19:18 +0100
                Re: OT: Munging addresses Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2015-11-11 15:16 -0500
                Re: OT: Munging addresses Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2015-11-11 22:29 +0100
                Re: OT: Munging addresses Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2015-11-11 17:20 -0500
                Re: OT: Munging addresses Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2015-11-12 07:47 +0100
                Re: OT: Munging addresses Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2015-11-12 10:15 -0500
                Re: OT: Munging addresses Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2015-11-12 17:17 +0100
                Re: OT: Munging addresses Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2015-11-12 11:59 -0500
                Re: OT: Munging addresses Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2015-11-12 18:51 +0100
                Re: OT: Munging addresses Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2015-11-12 14:20 -0500
                Re: OT: Munging addresses Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2015-11-12 20:59 +0100
                Re: OT: Munging addresses Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2015-11-12 16:54 -0500
                Re: OT: Munging addresses Jim Higgins <ILikeMy@Privacy.invalid> - 2015-11-18 16:24 +0000
              PHP code section end marker (was: Check for military time) Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2015-10-27 22:58 +0100
            Re: Check for military time Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2015-10-30 20:01 +0100
              Re: Check for military time Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2015-10-30 16:27 -0400
                Re: Check for military time Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2015-11-01 12:12 +0100
                Re: Check for military time Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2015-11-01 08:31 -0500

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