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| From | Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> |
|---|---|
| Newsgroups | comp.lang.php |
| Subject | Re: Check for military time |
| Date | 2015-10-30 20:08 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <5633C02A.60502@arnowelzel.de> (permalink) |
| References | (8 earlier) <8737wvd78w.fsf@ahungry.com> <n0pfa8$ckm$1@dont-email.me> <5631e20e$0$23743$e4fe514c@news.xs4all.nl> <87y4elb05f.fsf@ahungry.com> <n0ukt5$tbe$1@dont-email.me> |
Jerry Stuckle schrieb am 2015-10-30 um 03:35:
> On 10/29/2015 9:44 PM, Matthew Carter wrote:
>> Erwin Moller <erwinmollerusenet@xs4all.nl> writes:
>>
>>> On 10/28/2015 4:29 AM, Jerry Stuckle wrote:
>>>>
>>>> YOU don't see any problem. Good programmers do.
>>>>
>>>> Just wait until you run into a problem because of it. Your tune will
>>>> change. And I'm not the only one who feels this way.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Seconded.
>>> Always use the closing tag.
>>>
>>> <opinionated>
>>> If you get into trouble because you produce output after the closing
>>> tag, get another job.
>>> If that is over your head, you should change jobs, not the programming
>>> language (or usage of it).
>>> It isn't that hard.
>>> This advice from php.net is ridiculous.
>>>
>>> This reminds me a lot of the curly bracket in conditional statements.
>>> Some seem to think omitting them is alright for single statements.
>>> It is, of course, not alright to omit them.
>>> </opinionated>
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> Erwin Moller
>>
>> Other than a feeling of self righteousness, what is gained again?
>>
>> Tell me, in these two sample files, which is easier to debug if the
>> aforementioned use cases occurred that cause an error when the file is
>> included by another file making use of header responses:
>>
>> ------------------File One (no closing tag, misplaced HTML)-----------
>> <?php
>>
>> function add($a, $b) {
>> return $a + $b;
>> }
>>
>> <h1>This is my great page of addition!</h1>
>>
>> ------------------File Two (closing tag, extra space)-----------------
>> <?php
>>
>> function add($a, $b) {
>> return $a + $b;
>> }
>>
>> ?>
>>
>>
>> Assuming both were included/required in another file, which one would
>> the majority of programmers have an easier time pinpointing the error
>> with? (hint: the one where the PHP error reporting would tell you
>> exactly where the faulty HTML was originating, NOT the file that was
>> outputting some whitespace before a header call - that error would send
>> you to the header() call line, not the bad file with trailing space).
>>
>> There have been 0 good reasons for including a closing tag (it's just too
>> bad we can't actually have a '.phpdef' file type or something that
>> simulates a 100% PHP only file, without dropping in and out of tags and
>> just avoids the use of the <?php ?> nonsense entirely).
>>
>
> Proper coding techniques and it wouldn't happen in the first place.
>
> But to answer your question - the problem is your test can cause a fatal
> error, potentially displaying internal information to a user. This
> information could be used to hack the system.
Therefore one
1) will TEST stuff BEFORE it goes to the production system
2) configures the production system in a way that it will NEVER display
ANY error to the user
Do you really want to tell us you don't know that?
> But I know you will dismiss any reason given, so go ahead and make a
> fool of yourself. You've obviously never worked on a multi-programmer
> project with coding conventions.
And you seem to never have worked on real production systems. And yes -
omitting closing tags *can* be a coding convention within the team as well.
--
Arno Welzel
http://arnowelzel.de
http://de-rec-fahrrad.de
http://fahrradzukunft.de
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Re: Check for military time Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2015-10-30 20:08 +0100
Re: Check for military time Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2015-10-30 16:22 -0400
Re: Check for military time Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2015-11-01 11:58 +0100
Re: Check for military time Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2015-11-01 08:27 -0500
Re: Check for military time Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2015-11-01 14:36 +0100
Re: Check for military time Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2015-11-01 09:05 -0500
Re: Check for military time Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2015-11-01 16:51 +0100
Re: Check for military time Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2015-11-01 11:09 -0500
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Re: Check for military time Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2015-10-30 20:01 -0400
Re: Check for military time Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2015-11-03 19:51 +0100
Re: Check for military time Erwin Moller <erwinmollerusenet@xs4all.nl> - 2015-11-02 13:51 +0100
Re: Check for military time Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2015-11-02 18:57 +0100
Re: Check for military time Erwin Moller <erwinmollerusenet@xs4all.nl> - 2015-11-04 15:18 +0100
Re: Check for military time Matthew Carter <m@ahungry.com> - 2015-11-04 21:18 -0500
Re: Check for military time Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2015-11-05 07:51 +0100
Re: Check for military time Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2015-10-30 20:04 +0100
Re: Check for military time Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2015-10-30 16:24 -0400
Re: Check for military time Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2015-11-01 12:06 +0100
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Re: Check for military time Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2015-11-01 14:39 +0100
Re: Check for military time Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2015-11-01 09:07 -0500
Re: Check for military time Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2015-11-01 16:58 +0100
Re: Check for military time Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2015-11-01 11:05 -0500
Re: Check for military time Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2015-11-02 08:14 +0100
Re: Check for military time Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2015-11-02 10:01 -0500
Re: Check for military time Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2015-11-02 17:54 +0100
Re: Check for military time Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2015-11-02 12:50 -0500
Re: Check for military time Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2015-11-02 19:05 +0100
Re: Check for military time Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2015-11-02 18:23 +0000
Re: Check for military time Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2015-11-02 15:23 -0500
Re: Check for military time Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2015-11-02 15:16 -0500
Re: Check for military time Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2015-11-03 05:47 +0100
Re: Check for military time Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2015-11-03 08:47 -0500
Re: Check for military time Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2015-11-04 03:55 +0100
Re: Check for military time Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2015-11-03 22:09 -0500
Re: Check for military time Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2015-11-04 08:49 +0100
Re: Check for military time Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2015-11-04 08:29 -0500
Re: Check for military time Paul Herber <paul@pherber.com> - 2015-11-04 14:14 +0000
Re: Check for military time Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2015-11-04 10:00 -0500
Re: Check for military time Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2015-11-06 13:11 +0100
Re: Check for military time Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2015-11-06 09:45 -0500
Re: Check for military time Matthew Carter <m@ahungry.com> - 2015-11-07 21:50 -0500
Re: Check for military time Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2015-11-07 22:05 -0500
Re: Check for military time gordonb.2zzss@burditt.org (Gordon Burditt) - 2015-11-08 20:50 -0600
Re: Check for military time Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2015-11-09 10:29 +0100
Re: Check for military time gordonb.00syf@burditt.org (Gordon Burditt) - 2015-11-10 23:42 -0600
Re: Check for military time Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2015-11-11 07:46 +0100
Re: Check for military time Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2015-11-11 07:50 +0100
Re: Check for military time Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2015-11-11 08:06 -0500
Re: Check for military time Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2015-11-11 15:15 +0100
Re: Check for military time Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2015-11-11 09:21 -0500
Re: Check for military time Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2015-11-11 17:46 +0100
Re: Check for military time Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2015-11-11 15:12 -0500
Re: Check for military time Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2015-11-11 22:23 +0100
Re: Check for military time Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2015-11-11 17:17 -0500
Re: Check for military time Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2015-11-11 08:05 -0500
OT: Munging addresses (was: Re: Check for military time) Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2015-11-11 19:18 +0100
Re: OT: Munging addresses Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2015-11-11 15:16 -0500
Re: OT: Munging addresses Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2015-11-11 22:29 +0100
Re: OT: Munging addresses Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2015-11-11 17:20 -0500
Re: OT: Munging addresses Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2015-11-12 07:47 +0100
Re: OT: Munging addresses Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2015-11-12 10:15 -0500
Re: OT: Munging addresses Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2015-11-12 17:17 +0100
Re: OT: Munging addresses Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2015-11-12 11:59 -0500
Re: OT: Munging addresses Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2015-11-12 18:51 +0100
Re: OT: Munging addresses Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2015-11-12 14:20 -0500
Re: OT: Munging addresses Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2015-11-12 20:59 +0100
Re: OT: Munging addresses Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2015-11-12 16:54 -0500
Re: OT: Munging addresses Jim Higgins <ILikeMy@Privacy.invalid> - 2015-11-18 16:24 +0000
PHP code section end marker (was: Check for military time) Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2015-10-27 22:58 +0100
Re: Check for military time Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2015-10-30 20:01 +0100
Re: Check for military time Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2015-10-30 16:27 -0400
Re: Check for military time Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2015-11-01 12:12 +0100
Re: Check for military time Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2015-11-01 08:31 -0500
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