OT: Munging addresses (was: Re: Check for military time)

From	Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de>
Newsgroups	comp.lang.php
Subject	OT: Munging addresses (was: Re: Check for military time)
Date	2015-11-11 19:18 +0100
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Jerry Stuckle schrieb am 2015-11-11 um 14:05:

> On 11/11/2015 1:46 AM, Arno Welzel wrote:
[...]
>> It's even more rude to use munged addresses.
>>
>> See:
>>
>> <http://www.interhack.net/pubs/munging-harmful/>
>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Address_munging>
>> <https://woozle.org/~neale/papers/reply-to-still-harmful.html>
>>
> 
> Bullshit.  My munging my email address does not harm you or anyone else.

It does. And the reasons are explained above.

>  And all of those posts are based on the first one - which is the

They aren't and all are about different aspects about this topic. But
you are to ignorant to see this and you also seem to ignore RFC2822:

"In all cases, the "From:" field SHOULD NOT contain any mailbox that
does not belong to the author(s) of the message."

And a "munged" address can never by the mailbox of the message author -
it's just an invalid address, nothing else. Even worse - it may be the
mailbox by someone *else*.

> opinion of one person.  Millions of people all over usenet have
> different views.  A vast majority of them don't even use munged
> addresses - they use completely invalid addresses.

When they use the TLD ".invalid" it's way better than "munged" ones
which may be invalid as well since all decent MTAs won't even try to
deliver spam to the TLD ".invalid" which is by definition meant to
construct invalid addresses.

But munged addresses are invalid as well - but the MTA does not know and
will try do deliver the spam. This uses resources and may even cause
NDAs to other people whose addresses got used as sender by the spammer.

And calling people "troll" just because they don't agree with you is
quite childish.

-- 
Arno Welzel
http://arnowelzel.de
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Check for military time Derek Turner <frderek@suremail.je> - 2015-10-20 18:57 +0000
  Re: Check for military time Derek Turner <frderek@suremail.je> - 2015-10-20 19:00 +0000
    Re: Check for military time Richard Yates <richard@yatesguitar.com> - 2015-10-20 21:35 -0700
      Re: Check for military time Lew Pitcher <lew.pitcher@digitalfreehold.ca> - 2015-10-21 16:12 -0400
        Re: Check for military time Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2015-10-21 22:38 -0400
          Re: Check for military time Lew Pitcher <lew.pitcher@digitalfreehold.ca> - 2015-10-22 10:43 -0400
            Re: Check for military time Lew Pitcher <lew.pitcher@digitalfreehold.ca> - 2015-10-22 10:48 -0400
            Re: Check for military time Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2015-10-22 17:20 +0200
            Re: Check for military time Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2015-10-22 12:19 -0400
            Re: Check for military time "Peter H. Coffin" <hellsop@ninehells.com> - 2015-10-22 15:32 -0500
              Re: Check for military time Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2015-10-22 23:08 +0200
                Re: Check for military time Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2015-10-22 20:19 -0400
                Re: Check for military time Matthew Carter <m@ahungry.com> - 2015-10-22 22:07 -0400
                Re: Check for military time "Beauregard T. Shagnasty" <a.nony.mous@example.invalid> - 2015-10-23 02:26 +0000
              Re: Check for military time Lew Pitcher <lew.pitcher@digitalfreehold.ca> - 2015-10-22 17:13 -0400
                Re: Check for military time Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2015-10-22 22:57 +0100
                Re: Check for military time Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2015-10-22 20:22 -0400
                Re: Check for military time Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2015-10-23 09:19 +0100
                Re: Check for military time Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2015-10-23 09:32 -0400
                Re: Check for military time Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2015-10-23 15:43 +0100
                Re: Check for military time Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2015-10-23 11:11 -0400
                Re: Check for military time gordonb.nwjln@burditt.org (Gordon Burditt) - 2015-10-23 12:36 -0500
                Re: Check for military time Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2015-10-23 13:40 -0400
                Re: Check for military time Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2015-10-23 18:54 +0100
                Re: Check for military time Norman Peelman <npeelman@cfl.rr.com> - 2015-10-23 22:44 -0400
                Re: Check for military time Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2015-10-24 10:32 +0100
                Re: Check for military time Derek Turner <frderek@suremail.je> - 2015-10-24 11:41 +0000
                Re: Check for military time Norman Peelman <npeelman@cfl.rr.com> - 2015-10-24 15:15 -0400
                Re: Check for military time Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2015-10-22 20:21 -0400
                Re: Check for military time Lew Pitcher <lew.pitcher@digitalfreehold.ca> - 2015-10-22 20:38 -0400
                Re: Check for military time Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2015-10-22 20:47 -0400
              Re: Check for military time gordonb.90ylr@burditt.org (Gordon Burditt) - 2015-10-22 18:21 -0500
                Re: Check for military time Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2015-10-22 20:23 -0400
            Re: Check for military time gordonb.c5zx1@burditt.org (Gordon Burditt) - 2015-10-22 17:40 -0500
        Re: Check for military time Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2015-10-22 11:12 +0200
          Re: Check for military time Lew Pitcher <lew.pitcher@digitalfreehold.ca> - 2015-10-22 11:06 -0400
            Re: Check for military time Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2015-10-22 17:18 +0200
        Re: Check for military time Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2015-10-22 13:17 -0400
  Re: Check for military time Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2015-10-21 13:55 +0200
    Re: Check for military time "M. Strobel" <strobel@example.com> - 2015-10-21 20:56 +0200
      Re: Check for military time Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2015-10-21 16:48 -0400
  Re: Check for military time Stephan Elinghaus <221015.6.seli@spamgourmet.com> - 2015-10-22 13:16 +0200
    Re: Check for military time Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2015-10-22 15:11 +0200
      Re: Check for military time Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2015-10-22 10:23 -0400
        Re: Check for military time Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2015-10-27 14:10 +0100
          Re: Check for military time Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2015-10-27 09:25 -0400
            Re: Check for military time Jørn Andersen <jorn@jorna.dk> - 2015-10-27 15:19 +0100
              Re: Check for military time Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2015-10-27 10:41 -0400
                Re: Check for military time Matthew Carter <m@ahungry.com> - 2015-10-27 23:03 -0400
                Re: Check for military time Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2015-10-27 23:29 -0400
                Re: Check for military time Erwin Moller <erwinmollerusenet@xs4all.nl> - 2015-10-29 10:08 +0100
                Re: Check for military time Matthew Carter <m@ahungry.com> - 2015-10-29 21:44 -0400
                Re: Check for military time Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2015-10-29 22:35 -0400
                Re: Check for military time Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2015-10-30 20:08 +0100
                Re: Check for military time Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2015-10-30 16:22 -0400
                Re: Check for military time Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2015-11-01 11:58 +0100
                Re: Check for military time Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2015-11-01 08:27 -0500
                Re: Check for military time Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2015-11-01 14:36 +0100
                Re: Check for military time Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2015-11-01 09:05 -0500
                Re: Check for military time Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2015-11-01 16:51 +0100
                Re: Check for military time Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2015-11-01 11:09 -0500
                Re: Check for military time Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2015-10-30 22:33 +0100
                Re: Check for military time Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2015-10-30 20:01 -0400
                Re: Check for military time Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2015-11-03 19:51 +0100
                Re: Check for military time Erwin Moller <erwinmollerusenet@xs4all.nl> - 2015-11-02 13:51 +0100
                Re: Check for military time Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2015-11-02 18:57 +0100
                Re: Check for military time Erwin Moller <erwinmollerusenet@xs4all.nl> - 2015-11-04 15:18 +0100
                Re: Check for military time Matthew Carter <m@ahungry.com> - 2015-11-04 21:18 -0500
                Re: Check for military time Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2015-11-05 07:51 +0100
                Re: Check for military time Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2015-10-30 20:04 +0100
                Re: Check for military time Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2015-10-30 16:24 -0400
                Re: Check for military time Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2015-11-01 12:06 +0100
                Re: Check for military time Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2015-11-01 08:30 -0500
                Re: Check for military time Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2015-11-01 14:39 +0100
                Re: Check for military time Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2015-11-01 09:07 -0500
                Re: Check for military time Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2015-11-01 16:58 +0100
                Re: Check for military time Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2015-11-01 11:05 -0500
                Re: Check for military time Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2015-11-02 08:14 +0100
                Re: Check for military time Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2015-11-02 10:01 -0500
                Re: Check for military time Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2015-11-02 17:54 +0100
                Re: Check for military time Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2015-11-02 12:50 -0500
                Re: Check for military time Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2015-11-02 19:05 +0100
                Re: Check for military time Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2015-11-02 18:23 +0000
                Re: Check for military time Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2015-11-02 15:23 -0500
                Re: Check for military time Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2015-11-02 15:16 -0500
                Re: Check for military time Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2015-11-03 05:47 +0100
                Re: Check for military time Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2015-11-03 08:47 -0500
                Re: Check for military time Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2015-11-04 03:55 +0100
                Re: Check for military time Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2015-11-03 22:09 -0500
                Re: Check for military time Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2015-11-04 08:49 +0100
                Re: Check for military time Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2015-11-04 08:29 -0500
                Re: Check for military time Paul Herber <paul@pherber.com> - 2015-11-04 14:14 +0000
                Re: Check for military time Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2015-11-04 10:00 -0500
                Re: Check for military time Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2015-11-06 13:11 +0100
                Re: Check for military time Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2015-11-06 09:45 -0500
                Re: Check for military time Matthew Carter <m@ahungry.com> - 2015-11-07 21:50 -0500
                Re: Check for military time Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2015-11-07 22:05 -0500
                Re: Check for military time gordonb.2zzss@burditt.org (Gordon Burditt) - 2015-11-08 20:50 -0600
                Re: Check for military time Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2015-11-09 10:29 +0100
                Re: Check for military time gordonb.00syf@burditt.org (Gordon Burditt) - 2015-11-10 23:42 -0600
                Re: Check for military time Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2015-11-11 07:46 +0100
                Re: Check for military time Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2015-11-11 07:50 +0100
                Re: Check for military time Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2015-11-11 08:06 -0500
                Re: Check for military time Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2015-11-11 15:15 +0100
                Re: Check for military time Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2015-11-11 09:21 -0500
                Re: Check for military time Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2015-11-11 17:46 +0100
                Re: Check for military time Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2015-11-11 15:12 -0500
                Re: Check for military time Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2015-11-11 22:23 +0100
                Re: Check for military time Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2015-11-11 17:17 -0500
                Re: Check for military time Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2015-11-11 08:05 -0500
                OT: Munging addresses (was: Re: Check for military time) Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2015-11-11 19:18 +0100
                Re: OT: Munging addresses Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2015-11-11 15:16 -0500
                Re: OT: Munging addresses Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2015-11-11 22:29 +0100
                Re: OT: Munging addresses Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2015-11-11 17:20 -0500
                Re: OT: Munging addresses Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2015-11-12 07:47 +0100
                Re: OT: Munging addresses Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2015-11-12 10:15 -0500
                Re: OT: Munging addresses Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2015-11-12 17:17 +0100
                Re: OT: Munging addresses Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2015-11-12 11:59 -0500
                Re: OT: Munging addresses Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2015-11-12 18:51 +0100
                Re: OT: Munging addresses Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2015-11-12 14:20 -0500
                Re: OT: Munging addresses Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2015-11-12 20:59 +0100
                Re: OT: Munging addresses Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2015-11-12 16:54 -0500
                Re: OT: Munging addresses Jim Higgins <ILikeMy@Privacy.invalid> - 2015-11-18 16:24 +0000
              PHP code section end marker (was: Check for military time) Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2015-10-27 22:58 +0100
            Re: Check for military time Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2015-10-30 20:01 +0100
              Re: Check for military time Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2015-10-30 16:27 -0400
                Re: Check for military time Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2015-11-01 12:12 +0100
                Re: Check for military time Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2015-11-01 08:31 -0500

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