Re: Ideas behind programming language syntax choices?

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Date	2018-09-23 18:06 -0700
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Subject	Re: Ideas behind programming language syntax choices?
From	Jonas Thörnvall <jonas.thornvall@gmail.com>

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Den måndag 24 september 2018 kl. 02:02:10 UTC+2 skrev Jonas Thörnvall:
> Den måndag 24 september 2018 kl. 01:56:53 UTC+2 skrev Jonas Thörnvall:
> > Den måndag 24 september 2018 kl. 01:52:17 UTC+2 skrev Jonas Thörnvall:
> > > Den måndag 24 september 2018 kl. 00:33:55 UTC+2 skrev Silvio:
> > > > On 22-09-18 06:53, Jonas Thörnvall wrote:
> > > > > Often i find it a bit backward reading code, so i wonder a bit about the reason behind choices done in programming languages.
> > > > > 
> > > > > Why
> > > > > track[recTrack].midiMess.splice(trackevent,1);
> > > > > and not
> > > > > track[recTrack].midiMess[trackevent].splice(1);
> > > > > 
> > > > > Isn't the later more readable, maybe it is just a personal preference?
> > > > > But if you replace the indexname with just the index, the former make no sense if you do not know the parameter order.
> > > > > 
> > > > > But the later is still readable right out of the box?
> > > > > Well i could be wrong but i find the later more intuitive.
> > > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > Programming language syntax is just a way of writing down programming 
> > > > semantics. Since you do not grasp the latter at all it is hard to 
> > > > explain the former to you.
> > > > The syntactic alternative you propose is an expression of completely 
> > > > different semantics.
> > > > 
> > > > Elsewhere in this thread you boast about your own high IQ versus the low 
> > > > IQ of people you do not understand. I am sure you will also not 
> > > > understand what I said above and cope with that by calling me stupid. 
> > > > The world must be a strange and hostile place for you.
> > > 
> > > I do get that they try to keep the language minimalistic and do not want to reserve words.
> > > 
> > > But one can questoin why use splice? who the fuck come up with that???
> > > Why not
> > > track[tracknr].midiMess[trackEvent].delete({time:instime,data0:144,data1:insnote,data2:insvel}); 
> > > 
> > > and
> > > track[tracknr].midiMess[trackEvent].insert({time:instime,data0:144,data1:insnote,data2:insvel}); 
> > > 
> > > Well i can tell you why they are anal ENTP fucks that feel smart, when they come up with splice which make the readability dependent of that you know the parameters.
> > > 
> > > "Yeah feel smart.. but it is utterly stupid"
> > > Did they think they were saving something?
> > 
> > Yeah it is methods on the elements you morons...
> 
> You see you can't go wrong with element methods like
> arr[muppets].insert():
> arr[muppets].delete();
> 
> No the stupid fucks want to be pioneering, by remove the index, replace "the real method names" with an akronym and throw in the index as a parameter and "call it array methods"
> 
> You stupid fucks should not work with webdevelopment at all, go back to your blip blop cave.

Yeah they can throw out the array methods splice and slice altogether from language and replace it with element methods, so one do not have to guess howto use them.

arr[muppets].delete(4);
arr[muppets].insert(4,"A",7,"C",11);
arr[muppets].swap(muppets); 
arr[muppets].swap(muppets+-x);
arr[muppets].calc(sqrt(arr(muppets)+3);

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Ideas behind programming language syntax choices? Jonas Thörnvall <jonas.thornvall@gmail.com> - 2018-09-21 21:53 -0700
  Re: Ideas behind programming language syntax choices? Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-09-22 15:17 +0200
    Re: Ideas behind programming language syntax choices? Jonas Thörnvall <jonas.thornvall@gmail.com> - 2018-09-22 10:23 -0700
    Re: Ideas behind programming language syntax choices? Jonas Thörnvall <jonas.thornvall@gmail.com> - 2018-09-22 10:31 -0700
      Re: Ideas behind programming language syntax choices? Jonas Thörnvall <jonas.thornvall@gmail.com> - 2018-09-22 10:39 -0700
        Re: Ideas behind programming language syntax choices? Jonas Thörnvall <jonas.thornvall@gmail.com> - 2018-09-22 11:20 -0700
    Re: Ideas behind programming language syntax choices? Jonas Thörnvall <jonas.thornvall@gmail.com> - 2018-09-22 15:21 -0700
      Re: Ideas behind programming language syntax choices? Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-09-23 09:14 +0200
        Re: Ideas behind programming language syntax choices? Jonas Thörnvall <jonas.thornvall@gmail.com> - 2018-09-23 00:23 -0700
          Re: Ideas behind programming language syntax choices? Maik Koenig <usenetspam@maikkoenig.de> - 2018-09-24 00:56 +0200
  Re: Ideas behind programming language syntax choices? Silvio <silvio@internet.com> - 2018-09-24 00:33 +0200
    Re: Ideas behind programming language syntax choices? Jonas Thörnvall <jonas.thornvall@gmail.com> - 2018-09-23 16:07 -0700
    Re: Ideas behind programming language syntax choices? Jonas Thörnvall <jonas.thornvall@gmail.com> - 2018-09-23 16:13 -0700
    Re: Ideas behind programming language syntax choices? Jonas Thörnvall <jonas.thornvall@gmail.com> - 2018-09-23 16:24 -0700
      Re: Ideas behind programming language syntax choices? Jonas Thörnvall <jonas.thornvall@gmail.com> - 2018-09-23 16:37 -0700
      Re: Ideas behind programming language syntax choices? John G Harris <niam@jghnorth.org.uk.invalid> - 2018-09-25 19:52 +0100
        Re: Ideas behind programming language syntax choices? Jonas Thörnvall <jonas.thornvall@gmail.com> - 2018-09-25 12:15 -0700
          Re: Ideas behind programming language syntax choices? Jonas Thörnvall <jonas.thornvall@gmail.com> - 2018-09-25 12:35 -0700
            Re: Ideas behind programming language syntax choices? John G Harris <niam@jghnorth.org.uk.invalid> - 2018-09-26 18:31 +0100
              Re: Ideas behind programming language syntax choices? Jonas Thörnvall <jonas.thornvall@gmail.com> - 2018-09-26 11:28 -0700
                Re: Ideas behind programming language syntax choices? John G Harris <niam@jghnorth.org.uk.invalid> - 2018-09-27 10:49 +0100
                Re: Ideas behind programming language syntax choices? Jonas Thörnvall <jonas.thornvall@gmail.com> - 2018-09-27 03:38 -0700
                Re: Ideas behind programming language syntax choices? John G Harris <niam@jghnorth.org.uk.invalid> - 2018-09-27 19:42 +0100
                Re: Ideas behind programming language syntax choices? Jonas Thörnvall <jonas.thornvall@gmail.com> - 2018-09-27 14:44 -0700
                Re: Ideas behind programming language syntax choices? Jonas Thörnvall <jonas.thornvall@gmail.com> - 2018-09-27 14:48 -0700
                Re: Ideas behind programming language syntax choices? Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-09-28 21:04 +0200
                Re: Ideas behind programming language syntax choices? Jonas Thörnvall <jonas.thornvall@gmail.com> - 2018-10-02 12:47 -0700
                Re: Ideas behind programming language syntax choices? John G Harris <niam@jghnorth.org.uk.invalid> - 2018-10-03 18:19 +0100
                Re: Ideas behind programming language syntax choices? Jonas Thörnvall <jonas.thornvall@gmail.com> - 2018-10-04 05:43 -0700
                Re: Ideas behind programming language syntax choices? John G Harris <niam@jghnorth.org.uk.invalid> - 2018-10-05 18:17 +0100
                Re: Ideas behind programming language syntax choices? "Evertjan." <exxjxw.hannivoort@inter.nl.net> - 2018-10-05 22:37 +0200
                Re: Ideas behind programming language syntax choices? John G Harris <niam@jghnorth.org.uk.invalid> - 2018-10-06 14:30 +0100
                Re: Ideas behind programming language syntax choices? Jonas Thörnvall <jonas.thornvall@gmail.com> - 2018-10-07 09:57 -0700
                Re: Ideas behind programming language syntax choices? "Evertjan." <exxjxw.hannivoort@inter.nl.net> - 2018-10-07 23:08 +0200
                Re: Ideas behind programming language syntax choices? John G Harris <niam@jghnorth.org.uk.invalid> - 2018-10-08 19:43 +0100
                Re: Ideas behind programming language syntax choices? Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-10-06 18:04 +0200
                Re: Ideas behind programming language syntax choices? John G Harris <niam@jghnorth.org.uk.invalid> - 2018-10-07 10:14 +0100
                Re: Ideas behind programming language syntax choices? Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-10-07 15:15 +0200
                Re: Ideas behind programming language syntax choices? John G Harris <niam@jghnorth.org.uk.invalid> - 2018-10-09 10:38 +0100
                Re: Ideas behind programming language syntax choices? dr.s.lartius@gmail.com - 2018-10-09 08:27 -0700
                Re: Ideas behind programming language syntax choices? John G Harris <niam@jghnorth.org.uk.invalid> - 2018-10-09 19:12 +0100
    Re: Ideas behind programming language syntax choices? Jonas Thörnvall <jonas.thornvall@gmail.com> - 2018-09-23 16:52 -0700
      Re: Ideas behind programming language syntax choices? Jonas Thörnvall <jonas.thornvall@gmail.com> - 2018-09-23 16:56 -0700
        Re: Ideas behind programming language syntax choices? Jonas Thörnvall <jonas.thornvall@gmail.com> - 2018-09-23 17:02 -0700
          Re: Ideas behind programming language syntax choices? Jonas Thörnvall <jonas.thornvall@gmail.com> - 2018-09-23 18:06 -0700
            Re: Ideas behind programming language syntax choices? Silvio <silvio@internet.com> - 2018-09-24 23:51 +0200
              Re: Ideas behind programming language syntax choices? Jonas Thörnvall <jonas.thornvall@gmail.com> - 2018-09-25 01:58 -0700
                Re: Ideas behind programming language syntax choices? Jonas Thörnvall <jonas.thornvall@gmail.com> - 2018-09-25 02:25 -0700
              Re: Ideas behind programming language syntax choices? Jonas Thörnvall <jonas.thornvall@gmail.com> - 2018-09-25 02:51 -0700
                Re: Ideas behind programming language syntax choices? Silvio <silvio@internet.com> - 2018-09-25 19:41 +0200
                Re: Ideas behind programming language syntax choices? Jonas Thörnvall <jonas.thornvall@gmail.com> - 2018-09-25 11:22 -0700
                Re: Ideas behind programming language syntax choices? Jonas Thörnvall <jonas.thornvall@gmail.com> - 2018-09-25 11:42 -0700
                Re: Ideas behind programming language syntax choices? Silvio <silvio@internet.com> - 2018-09-25 21:47 +0200
                Re: Ideas behind programming language syntax choices? Jonas Thörnvall <jonas.thornvall@gmail.com> - 2018-09-25 14:24 -0700
                Re: Ideas behind programming language syntax choices? "Evertjan." <exxjxw.hannivoort@inter.nl.net> - 2018-09-25 23:37 +0200
                Re: Ideas behind programming language syntax choices? Jonas Thörnvall <jonas.thornvall@gmail.com> - 2018-09-25 14:46 -0700
                Re: Ideas behind programming language syntax choices? "Evertjan." <exxjxw.hannivoort@inter.nl.net> - 2018-09-26 10:52 +0200
                Re: Ideas behind programming language syntax choices? Silvio <silvio@internet.com> - 2018-09-26 00:06 +0200
                Re: Ideas behind programming language syntax choices? Jonas Thörnvall <jonas.thornvall@gmail.com> - 2018-09-25 15:55 -0700
                Re: Ideas behind programming language syntax choices? "Evertjan." <exxjxw.hannivoort@inter.nl.net> - 2018-09-26 10:58 +0200
                Re: Ideas behind programming language syntax choices? Jonas Thörnvall <jonas.thornvall@gmail.com> - 2018-09-26 02:48 -0700
                Re: Ideas behind programming language syntax choices? "Evertjan." <exxjxw.hannivoort@inter.nl.net> - 2018-09-26 12:30 +0200
                Re: Ideas behind programming language syntax choices? Jonas Thörnvall <jonas.thornvall@gmail.com> - 2018-09-26 04:45 -0700
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