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Re: Ideas behind programming language syntax choices?

Newsgroups comp.lang.javascript
Date 2018-09-23 16:07 -0700
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Subject Re: Ideas behind programming language syntax choices?
From Jonas Thörnvall <jonas.thornvall@gmail.com>

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Den måndag 24 september 2018 kl. 00:33:55 UTC+2 skrev Silvio:
> On 22-09-18 06:53, Jonas Thörnvall wrote:
> > Often i find it a bit backward reading code, so i wonder a bit about the reason behind choices done in programming languages.
> > 
> > Why
> > track[recTrack].midiMess.splice(trackevent,1);
> > and not
> > track[recTrack].midiMess[trackevent].splice(1);
> > 
> > Isn't the later more readable, maybe it is just a personal preference?
> > But if you replace the indexname with just the index, the former make no sense if you do not know the parameter order.
> > 
> > But the later is still readable right out of the box?
> > Well i could be wrong but i find the later more intuitive.
> > 
> 
> Programming language syntax is just a way of writing down programming 
> semantics. Since you do not grasp the latter at all it is hard to 
> explain the former to you.
> The syntactic alternative you propose is an expression of completely 
> different semantics.
> 
> Elsewhere in this thread you boast about your own high IQ versus the low 
> IQ of people you do not understand. I am sure you will also not 
> understand what I said above and cope with that by calling me stupid. 
> The world must be a strange and hostile place for you.

Mo syntax and semantics are just models of what actions taken at lowlevel.
But there is rules created from when the primitives was invented.
One of them is that the index is a part of the array to reach an element object, it is not a part of the object even in object oriented languages.
But javascript have methods upon arrays not upon elements, that is why the parameters includes the index but in look fucking weird.

Yes it is semantics but it is weird.

track[tracknr].midiMess.splice(trackEvent,0,{time:instime,data0:144,data1:insnote,data2:insvel});



Below the splice is done upon element, because index is part of the array, it simply a matter of choice of syntax, i claim the one below is much easier to read. "Because the index as parameter to splice will just be a name", you can't see it is the index. But index is already part of the array primitive so why throw into the method.

track[tracknr].midiMess[trackEvent].splice(0,{time:instime,data0:144,data1:insnote,data2:insvel});

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  Re: Ideas behind programming language syntax choices? Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-09-22 15:17 +0200
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