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Re: Ideas behind programming language syntax choices?

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Date 2018-10-07 09:57 -0700
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Subject Re: Ideas behind programming language syntax choices?
From Jonas Thörnvall <jonas.thornvall@gmail.com>

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Den fredag 5 oktober 2018 kl. 19:17:22 UTC+2 skrev John G Harris:
> On Thu, 4 Oct 2018 05:43:15 -0700 (PDT), Jonas Thörnvall
> <jonas.thornvall@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>   <snip>
> >Well you are certainly lost on me that is exactly my point, when you want to delete, insert or update an array element you use the index.
> >
> >Not a parameter to the method.
> 
> 
> var a = new Array();
> 
> a[3] = 5;      // Insert element 3
LoL that is no insert into a filled array that is an update... see below

> 
> a[3] = 7;      // Update element 3

LoL that does actually update the array, no need for splice.

> a[3] = null;   // Nullify element 3

LoL no that does not remove the index you will have alot of empty slots with that approach not nice at all having a case with null elements in your array.

> 
> 
> What's the problem ?
> 
>   John

The problem is to "insert and delete" elements in an array the idiots that made up javascript came up with the halfbaked idiot phrase splice that use the index as a paramterer to insert and delete.

var months = ['Jan', 'March', 'April', 'June'];
months.splice(1, 0, 'Feb');
// inserts at 1st index position
console.log(months);
// expected output: Array ['Jan', 'Feb', 'March', 'April', 'June']

months.splice(4, 1, 'May');
// replaces 1 element at 4th index
console.log(months);
// expected output: Array ['Jan', 'Feb', 'March', 'April', 'May']

months.splice(index, 1);
//deletes element at index

I told them the syntax is idiotic not readable.... because you can't see what is going on reading it.

a.splice(3, 5, "splish", "splosh"); //WTF try read that and come up with what that syntax is supposed to do by reading it.

Compare with something that is "symantically coherent", and that  a normal brain would come up with.

a[3].delete(5).insert("splish,"splosh"); 
I mean anyone who knows what an array is will immediately see what is going on.

Parameter forking readable "would not think so".... Of course it works but it looks like shit and is confusing when reading code.
Today i spliced myself.

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