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Re: JavaFX disappearing in Java 11

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On 13-Mar-18 12:10 AM, Eric Douglas wrote:
> On Monday, March 12, 2018 at 11:41:11 AM UTC-4, Richard Maher wrote:
>>> 
>>> Web "deployment" is relatively simple.  If you can write code
>>> that will run in any browser, it will run on any device, a PC, a
>>> Mac, an Android tablet or phone, an iOS tablet or phone, or a
>>> Linux machine (though I think the percentage of users running
>>> Linux as the client is relatively small).  They should already
>>> have a web browser and should not have to install anything.
>>> Probably the most annoying part of coding is adjusting the look
>>> for various screen sizes.
>> 
>> IMHO Only for tiny devices such as watches. Linear scalability for 
>> phones/tablets, and desktops works. God bless CSS display: flex; et
>> al.
>> 
> You do have to write different code to allow different screen sizes.

Bollocks! No you don't! OK your CSS will have some: -

	
	@media only screen
	and (min-device-width : 320px)
	and (max-device-width : 480px) {
		body {
			font-size: 8px;
		}
		div.wrapper
		{
			font-size: 8px;
		}		
		div.polo
		{
			font-size: 8px;
		}		
		div.textHolder
		{
			font-size: 16px;
		}
		div#alarm
		{
			font-size: 8px;
		}
		div#radar
		{
			font-size: 8px;
		}
		div#speaker
		{
			font-size: 8px;
		}
	}

Size everything else with EMs.

And your header may have some of these: -

	<link rel="apple-touch-startup-image"
		  media="(device-width: 320px)"
		  href="icon1-320x460.png">

But different layout for mobile/tablet/desktop is only one option not a
requirement.


> For instance pull up www.philadelphiaeagles.com.  If I open this in
> my desktop browser it does look horrible if I shrink my window too
> small.  If  I open this in my iPhone it is a completely different
> site. (it redirects from www. to m.)  My company's web site was
> horrible on mobile for a long time.  They've outsourced that to a
> company that is rewriting it so the mobile looks better now, just
> loads slow as I believe the image file sizes are too big.

Again, especially with new larger mobiles, scaling of well designed GUIs 
works great.

> 
>>> 
>>> Java deployment over the web using webstart is almost as simple,
>>> and cleaner because you don't have to worry about a browser
>>> window and should get a consistent look and feel,
>> 
>> Please educate yourself about the the display property in Web App 
>> manifests.
>> 
> I don't know about that, or where I could find a good example of a
> web app site, just that any site I view in the browser (ie safari on
> my phone) still has the URL bar at the top and navigation buttons at
> the bottom.

That is because you are happy to wallow in your ignorance. First thing 
off the web: -
https://deanhume.com/home/blogpost/5-awesome-progressive-web-apps-worth-exploring/10153

> 
>>> but it does require a JRE install and only works on Windows, Mac
>>> OS, or Linux.
>> 
>> Who is installing a JRE on their client these days??? That Oracle 
>> Dickhead who made Applets so difficult to activate should be shot!
>> 
> Applets are dead, we're talking webstart.

Webstart is also dead.

> 
>>> 
>>> App store deployment is cleaner for mobile as again you're
>>> running standalone, not inside some browser window.  It does
>>> require an install, and does allow you to prompt for permission
>>> to do things you can't do in a browser.
>> 
>> I like that simple permissions model but, quite rightly, some point
>> out that asking for all permissions up from without any context as
>> to what they will be used for leads the user to make an uninformed
>> decision as useless as "Do you agree to the Ts and Cs?".
>> 
>> For better or worse the Web has opted for only asking for
>> Geolocation access when it is needed or only asking for microphone
>> access after the user has clicked a button for record.
>> 
>> I'm not suffering from conviction either way.
>> 
>> BTW There's not much left that you "can't do in a browser".
>> Background Geolocation a notable exception due to a whole cabal of
>> reasons. Cheif among them Jerk bloody Archibald.
> 
> There have been some apps overusing the prompt, requesting permission
> to do things like access the camera they shouldn't need to do.
> Agreed it's probably a better model if it can ask permissions in the
> middle of an app if you click the 'snap a photo' button then it asks
> do you want to give this app permission to the camera and it gives
> you the 3 choices 1) yes right now, 2) no, or 3) yes and never ask
> again for this app. I know one thing I've heard doesn't work well in
> web code is accessing the client file system.

Possibly, I've never done it.
> 

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    Re: JavaFX disappearing in Java 11 Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2018-03-08 15:00 -0500
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                Re: JavaFX disappearing in Java 11 Eric Douglas <e.d.programmer@gmail.com> - 2018-03-12 06:50 -0700
                Re: JavaFX disappearing in Java 11 Richard Maher <maher_rjSPAMLESS@hotmail.com> - 2018-03-12 23:41 +0800
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                Re: JavaFX disappearing in Java 11 Eric Douglas <e.d.programmer@gmail.com> - 2018-03-14 05:03 -0700
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