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Re: JavaFX disappearing in Java 11

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Date	2018-03-12 09:10 -0700
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Subject	Re: JavaFX disappearing in Java 11
From	Eric Douglas <e.d.programmer@gmail.com>

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On Monday, March 12, 2018 at 11:41:11 AM UTC-4, Richard Maher wrote:
> > 
> > Web "deployment" is relatively simple.  If you can write code that
> > will run in any browser, it will run on any device, a PC, a Mac, an
> > Android tablet or phone, an iOS tablet or phone, or a Linux machine
> > (though I think the percentage of users running Linux as the client
> > is relatively small).  They should already have a web browser and
> > should not have to install anything.  Probably the most annoying part
> > of coding is adjusting the look for various screen sizes.
> 
> IMHO Only for tiny devices such as watches. Linear scalability for 
> phones/tablets, and desktops works. God bless CSS display: flex; et al.
> 
You do have to write different code to allow different screen sizes.
For instance pull up www.philadelphiaeagles.com.  If I open this in my desktop browser it does look horrible if I shrink my window too small.  If  I open this in my iPhone it is a completely different site. (it redirects from www. to m.)  My company's web site was horrible on mobile for a long time.  They've outsourced that to a company that is rewriting it so the mobile looks better now, just loads slow as I believe the image file sizes are too big.

> > 
> > Java deployment over the web using webstart is almost as simple, and
> > cleaner because you don't have to worry about a browser window and
> > should get a consistent look and feel, 
> 
> Please educate yourself about the the display property in Web App 
> manifests.
> 
I don't know about that, or where I could find a good example of a web app site, just that any site I view in the browser (ie safari on my phone) still has the URL bar at the top and navigation buttons at the bottom.

> > but it does require a JRE
> > install and only works on Windows, Mac OS, or Linux.
> 
> Who is installing a JRE on their client these days??? That Oracle 
> Dickhead who made Applets so difficult to activate should be shot!
> 
Applets are dead, we're talking webstart.

> > 
> > App store deployment is cleaner for mobile as again you're running
> > standalone, not inside some browser window.  It does require an
> > install, and does allow you to prompt for permission to do things you
> > can't do in a browser.  
> 
> I like that simple permissions model but, quite rightly, some point out 
> that asking for all permissions up from without any context as to what 
> they will be used for leads the user to make an uninformed decision as 
> useless as "Do you agree to the Ts and Cs?".
> 
> For better or worse the Web has opted for only asking for Geolocation 
> access when it is needed or only asking for microphone access after the 
> user has clicked a button for record.
> 
> I'm not suffering from conviction either way.
> 
> BTW There's not much left that you "can't do in a browser". Background 
> Geolocation a notable exception due to a whole cabal of reasons. Cheif 
> among them Jerk bloody Archibald.

There have been some apps overusing the prompt, requesting permission to do things like access the camera they shouldn't need to do.  Agreed it's probably a better model if it can ask permissions in the middle of an app if you click the 'snap a photo' button then it asks do you want to give this app permission to the camera and it gives you the 3 choices 1) yes right now, 2) no, or 3) yes and never ask again for this app.
I know one thing I've heard doesn't work well in web code is accessing the client file system.

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JavaFX disappearing in Java 11 Chris Riesbeck <Chris.Riesbeck@gmail.com> - 2018-03-08 13:10 -0600
  Re: JavaFX disappearing in Java 11 Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2018-03-08 14:15 -0500
    Re: JavaFX disappearing in Java 11 Richard Maher <maher_rjSPAMLESS@hotmail.com> - 2018-03-09 08:30 +0800
      Re: JavaFX disappearing in Java 11 Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2018-03-08 19:37 -0500
        Re: JavaFX disappearing in Java 11 Richard Maher <maher_rjSPAMLESS@hotmail.com> - 2018-03-09 11:09 +0800
        Re: JavaFX disappearing in Java 11 Eric Douglas <e.d.programmer@gmail.com> - 2018-03-09 05:19 -0800
          Re: JavaFX disappearing in Java 11 Silvio <silvio@internet.com> - 2018-03-10 00:02 +0100
            Re: JavaFX disappearing in Java 11 Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2018-03-09 19:28 -0500
              Re: JavaFX disappearing in Java 11 Silvio <silvio@internet.com> - 2018-03-10 03:12 +0100
                Re: JavaFX disappearing in Java 11 Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2018-03-09 21:28 -0500
                Re: JavaFX disappearing in Java 11 Richard Maher <maher_rjSPAMLESS@hotmail.com> - 2018-03-10 21:41 +0800
                Re: JavaFX disappearing in Java 11 Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2018-03-10 21:09 -0500
                Re: JavaFX disappearing in Java 11 Richard Maher <maher_rjSPAMLESS@hotmail.com> - 2018-03-11 10:46 +0800
                Re: JavaFX disappearing in Java 11 Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2018-03-10 22:39 -0500
          Re: JavaFX disappearing in Java 11 Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2018-03-09 19:23 -0500
      Re: JavaFX disappearing in Java 11 Ricardo Palomares Martinez <rpm.NOADS@proyectonave.es> - 2018-03-10 19:20 +0100
        Re: JavaFX disappearing in Java 11 Richard Maher <maher_rjSPAMLESS@hotmail.com> - 2018-03-11 10:49 +0800
          Re: JavaFX disappearing in Java 11 Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net> - 2018-03-12 15:36 -0700
  Re: JavaFX disappearing in Java 11 Eric Douglas <e.d.programmer@gmail.com> - 2018-03-08 11:49 -0800
    Re: JavaFX disappearing in Java 11 Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2018-03-08 15:00 -0500
      Re: JavaFX disappearing in Java 11 Eric Douglas <e.d.programmer@gmail.com> - 2018-03-08 12:32 -0800
        Re: JavaFX disappearing in Java 11 Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2018-03-08 16:51 -0500
          Re: JavaFX disappearing in Java 11 Daniele Futtorovic <da.futt.news@laposte.net> - 2018-03-09 00:57 +0100
            Re: JavaFX disappearing in Java 11 Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2018-03-08 19:20 -0500
              Re: JavaFX disappearing in Java 11 Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2018-03-08 19:23 -0500
                Re: JavaFX disappearing in Java 11 Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2018-03-08 19:28 -0500
              Re: JavaFX disappearing in Java 11 Martin Gregorie <martin@mydomain.invalid> - 2018-03-09 08:44 +0000
            Re: JavaFX disappearing in Java 11 Silvio <silvio@internet.com> - 2018-03-10 00:03 +0100
              Re: JavaFX disappearing in Java 11 Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2018-03-09 19:20 -0500
                Re: JavaFX disappearing in Java 11 Silvio <silvio@internet.com> - 2018-03-10 03:07 +0100
                Re: JavaFX disappearing in Java 11 Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2018-03-09 21:32 -0500
                Re: JavaFX disappearing in Java 11 Daniele Futtorovic <da.futt.news@laposte.net> - 2018-03-10 09:50 +0100
                Re: JavaFX disappearing in Java 11 Silvio <silvio@internet.com> - 2018-03-10 16:39 +0100
                Re: JavaFX disappearing in Java 11 Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2018-03-10 21:06 -0500
                Re: JavaFX disappearing in Java 11 Eric Douglas <e.d.programmer@gmail.com> - 2018-03-12 06:50 -0700
                Re: JavaFX disappearing in Java 11 Richard Maher <maher_rjSPAMLESS@hotmail.com> - 2018-03-12 23:41 +0800
                Re: JavaFX disappearing in Java 11 Eric Douglas <e.d.programmer@gmail.com> - 2018-03-12 09:10 -0700
                Re: JavaFX disappearing in Java 11 Richard Maher <maher_rjSPAMLESS@hotmail.com> - 2018-03-13 07:33 +0800
                Re: JavaFX disappearing in Java 11 Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2018-03-12 20:15 -0400
                Re: JavaFX disappearing in Java 11 Eric Douglas <e.d.programmer@gmail.com> - 2018-03-13 05:46 -0700
                Re: JavaFX disappearing in Java 11 Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2018-03-13 09:55 -0400
                Re: JavaFX disappearing in Java 11 Eric Douglas <e.d.programmer@gmail.com> - 2018-03-13 06:42 -0700
                Re: JavaFX disappearing in Java 11 Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2018-03-13 09:50 -0400
                Re: JavaFX disappearing in Java 11 Eric Douglas <e.d.programmer@gmail.com> - 2018-03-13 06:57 -0700
                Re: JavaFX disappearing in Java 11 Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2018-03-13 10:08 -0400
                Re: JavaFX disappearing in Java 11 Eric Douglas <e.d.programmer@gmail.com> - 2018-03-13 07:58 -0700
                Re: JavaFX disappearing in Java 11 Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2018-03-15 12:23 -0400
                Re: JavaFX disappearing in Java 11 Silvio <silvio@internet.com> - 2018-03-13 02:28 +0100
                Re: JavaFX disappearing in Java 11 Martin Gregorie <martin@mydomain.invalid> - 2018-03-13 11:39 +0000
                Re: JavaFX disappearing in Java 11 Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2018-03-13 07:54 -0400
                Re: JavaFX disappearing in Java 11 Martin Gregorie <martin@mydomain.invalid> - 2018-03-13 12:45 +0000
                Re: JavaFX disappearing in Java 11 Eric Douglas <e.d.programmer@gmail.com> - 2018-03-13 05:42 -0700
                Re: JavaFX disappearing in Java 11 Daniele Futtorovic <da.futt.news@laposte.net> - 2018-03-13 23:27 +0100
                Re: JavaFX disappearing in Java 11 Richard Maher <maher_rjSPAMLESS@hotmail.com> - 2018-03-14 08:35 +0800
                Re: JavaFX disappearing in Java 11 Eric Douglas <e.d.programmer@gmail.com> - 2018-03-14 05:03 -0700
                Re: JavaFX disappearing in Java 11 Eric Douglas <e.d.programmer@gmail.com> - 2018-03-14 05:08 -0700
                Re: JavaFX disappearing in Java 11 Daniele Futtorovic <da.futt.news@laposte.net> - 2018-03-15 11:50 +0100
                Re: JavaFX disappearing in Java 11 Eric Douglas <e.d.programmer@gmail.com> - 2018-03-15 05:47 -0700
                Re: JavaFX disappearing in Java 11 Martin Gregorie <martin@mydomain.invalid> - 2018-03-15 12:28 +0000
                Re: JavaFX disappearing in Java 11 Eric Douglas <e.d.programmer@gmail.com> - 2018-03-14 12:08 -0700
                Re: JavaFX disappearing in Java 11 Daniele Futtorovic <da.futt.news@laposte.net> - 2018-03-13 00:58 +0100
                Re: JavaFX disappearing in Java 11 Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2018-03-12 20:02 -0400
                Re: JavaFX disappearing in Java 11 Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2018-03-10 21:03 -0500
                Re: JavaFX disappearing in Java 11 Eric Douglas <e.d.programmer@gmail.com> - 2018-03-12 05:45 -0700
                Re: JavaFX disappearing in Java 11 Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2018-03-12 20:07 -0400
            Re: JavaFX disappearing in Java 11 Uniqua Lykerd <uniqualykerd@protonmail.com> - 2018-03-29 21:22 -0400
              Re: JavaFX disappearing in Java 11 Daniele Futtorovic <da.futt.news@laposte.net> - 2018-03-30 04:37 +0200
  Re: JavaFX disappearing in Java 11 Gianluca Bonetti <gianluca.bonetti@gmail.com> - 2018-03-11 09:59 -0700
    Re: JavaFX disappearing in Java 11 Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2018-03-12 20:17 -0400

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