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Re: JavaFX disappearing in Java 11

From	Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk>
Newsgroups	comp.lang.java.programmer
Subject	Re: JavaFX disappearing in Java 11
Date	2018-03-08 19:28 -0500
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On 3/8/2018 7:23 PM, Arne Vajhøj wrote:
> On 3/8/2018 7:20 PM, Arne Vajhøj wrote:
>> On 3/8/2018 6:57 PM, Daniele Futtorovic wrote:
>>> On 2018-03-08 22:51, Arne Vajhøj wrote:
>>>> On 3/8/2018 3:32 PM, Eric Douglas wrote:
>>>>>                       Do end users need 2 separate installs?
>>>>
>>>> For development: yes. For running: not clear to me.
>>>
>>> I can't imagine they would possibly require an additional install for a
>>> user to run JavaFX apps. Especially not when having to install the JRE
>>> is already a hurdle (to Java-on-the-desktop at least) in many places.
>>>
>>> Note that they're talking about the JDK in that article, not the JRE.
>>> End users don't (need to) install the JDK.
>>
>> Yes. But the same article use the term "module" in a rather
>> misleading way, so I did not want to assume the article
>> was 100% correct regarding it being only JDK.
> 
> But a bit of googling indicate that indeed may be
> only a developer thing.
> 
> https://blogs.oracle.com/java-platform-group/the-future-of-javafx-and-other-java-client-roadmap-updates 
> 
> 
> also says JDK.
> 
> And it says:
> 
> "With the Java Platform Module System in place since Java SE 9, it now 
> more viable to decouple JavaFX from the JDK, in order to make it 
> available as a separate download.  This will make it easier for 
> developers using JavaFX to have more freedom and flexibility with the 
> framework."
> 
> So an Oracle SrDir product management also talking about JDK
> and developers seems to be a good indication that the runtime
> may still be in JRE.

That blog post has a link to:

http://www.oracle.com/technetwork/java/javase/javaclientroadmapupdate2018mar-4414431.pdf

Which has more interesting info:

<quote>
Executive Summary:
* The public availability of Java SE 8 updates from Oracle has been 
extended to January 20191. Moreover, Oracle will continue to provide 
consumers with updates for personal (non-corporate) use of Java SE 8 
through at least the end of 2020.
* Oracle will continue to support Java SE 8 Web Start applications for 
public and personal (non-corporate, non-commercial) use to the same 
dates noted above. Oracle encourages developers relying on these 
deployment options for the delivery of applications to consumers to 
migrate to other solutions.
* Oracle will continue to commercially support Java Web Start on Java SE 
8 for commercial use, or when used in conjunction with Oracle products 
that have a Web Start dependency, through at least March 2025.
* As announced in 2015, Applets will continue to be supported in Java SE 
8 until at least March, 2019, pending continued support by browser 
vendors, after which they may be removed at any time.
* JavaFX new fixes will continue to be supported on Java SE 8 through 
March 2022 and removed from Java SE 11.
* Swing and AWT will continue to be supported on Java SE 8 through at 
least March 2025, and on Java SE 11 (18.9 LTS) through at least 
September 2026.
* Oracle has begun conversations with interested parties in the Java 
ecosystem on the stewardship of JavaFX, Swing and AWT beyond the above 
referenced timeframes.
</quote>

It sounds like the entire Java desktop is going to be separated
out long term.

Arne

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JavaFX disappearing in Java 11 Chris Riesbeck <Chris.Riesbeck@gmail.com> - 2018-03-08 13:10 -0600
  Re: JavaFX disappearing in Java 11 Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2018-03-08 14:15 -0500
    Re: JavaFX disappearing in Java 11 Richard Maher <maher_rjSPAMLESS@hotmail.com> - 2018-03-09 08:30 +0800
      Re: JavaFX disappearing in Java 11 Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2018-03-08 19:37 -0500
        Re: JavaFX disappearing in Java 11 Richard Maher <maher_rjSPAMLESS@hotmail.com> - 2018-03-09 11:09 +0800
        Re: JavaFX disappearing in Java 11 Eric Douglas <e.d.programmer@gmail.com> - 2018-03-09 05:19 -0800
          Re: JavaFX disappearing in Java 11 Silvio <silvio@internet.com> - 2018-03-10 00:02 +0100
            Re: JavaFX disappearing in Java 11 Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2018-03-09 19:28 -0500
              Re: JavaFX disappearing in Java 11 Silvio <silvio@internet.com> - 2018-03-10 03:12 +0100
                Re: JavaFX disappearing in Java 11 Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2018-03-09 21:28 -0500
                Re: JavaFX disappearing in Java 11 Richard Maher <maher_rjSPAMLESS@hotmail.com> - 2018-03-10 21:41 +0800
                Re: JavaFX disappearing in Java 11 Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2018-03-10 21:09 -0500
                Re: JavaFX disappearing in Java 11 Richard Maher <maher_rjSPAMLESS@hotmail.com> - 2018-03-11 10:46 +0800
                Re: JavaFX disappearing in Java 11 Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2018-03-10 22:39 -0500
          Re: JavaFX disappearing in Java 11 Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2018-03-09 19:23 -0500
      Re: JavaFX disappearing in Java 11 Ricardo Palomares Martinez <rpm.NOADS@proyectonave.es> - 2018-03-10 19:20 +0100
        Re: JavaFX disappearing in Java 11 Richard Maher <maher_rjSPAMLESS@hotmail.com> - 2018-03-11 10:49 +0800
          Re: JavaFX disappearing in Java 11 Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net> - 2018-03-12 15:36 -0700
  Re: JavaFX disappearing in Java 11 Eric Douglas <e.d.programmer@gmail.com> - 2018-03-08 11:49 -0800
    Re: JavaFX disappearing in Java 11 Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2018-03-08 15:00 -0500
      Re: JavaFX disappearing in Java 11 Eric Douglas <e.d.programmer@gmail.com> - 2018-03-08 12:32 -0800
        Re: JavaFX disappearing in Java 11 Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2018-03-08 16:51 -0500
          Re: JavaFX disappearing in Java 11 Daniele Futtorovic <da.futt.news@laposte.net> - 2018-03-09 00:57 +0100
            Re: JavaFX disappearing in Java 11 Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2018-03-08 19:20 -0500
              Re: JavaFX disappearing in Java 11 Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2018-03-08 19:23 -0500
                Re: JavaFX disappearing in Java 11 Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2018-03-08 19:28 -0500
              Re: JavaFX disappearing in Java 11 Martin Gregorie <martin@mydomain.invalid> - 2018-03-09 08:44 +0000
            Re: JavaFX disappearing in Java 11 Silvio <silvio@internet.com> - 2018-03-10 00:03 +0100
              Re: JavaFX disappearing in Java 11 Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2018-03-09 19:20 -0500
                Re: JavaFX disappearing in Java 11 Silvio <silvio@internet.com> - 2018-03-10 03:07 +0100
                Re: JavaFX disappearing in Java 11 Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2018-03-09 21:32 -0500
                Re: JavaFX disappearing in Java 11 Daniele Futtorovic <da.futt.news@laposte.net> - 2018-03-10 09:50 +0100
                Re: JavaFX disappearing in Java 11 Silvio <silvio@internet.com> - 2018-03-10 16:39 +0100
                Re: JavaFX disappearing in Java 11 Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2018-03-10 21:06 -0500
                Re: JavaFX disappearing in Java 11 Eric Douglas <e.d.programmer@gmail.com> - 2018-03-12 06:50 -0700
                Re: JavaFX disappearing in Java 11 Richard Maher <maher_rjSPAMLESS@hotmail.com> - 2018-03-12 23:41 +0800
                Re: JavaFX disappearing in Java 11 Eric Douglas <e.d.programmer@gmail.com> - 2018-03-12 09:10 -0700
                Re: JavaFX disappearing in Java 11 Richard Maher <maher_rjSPAMLESS@hotmail.com> - 2018-03-13 07:33 +0800
                Re: JavaFX disappearing in Java 11 Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2018-03-12 20:15 -0400
                Re: JavaFX disappearing in Java 11 Eric Douglas <e.d.programmer@gmail.com> - 2018-03-13 05:46 -0700
                Re: JavaFX disappearing in Java 11 Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2018-03-13 09:55 -0400
                Re: JavaFX disappearing in Java 11 Eric Douglas <e.d.programmer@gmail.com> - 2018-03-13 06:42 -0700
                Re: JavaFX disappearing in Java 11 Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2018-03-13 09:50 -0400
                Re: JavaFX disappearing in Java 11 Eric Douglas <e.d.programmer@gmail.com> - 2018-03-13 06:57 -0700
                Re: JavaFX disappearing in Java 11 Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2018-03-13 10:08 -0400
                Re: JavaFX disappearing in Java 11 Eric Douglas <e.d.programmer@gmail.com> - 2018-03-13 07:58 -0700
                Re: JavaFX disappearing in Java 11 Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2018-03-15 12:23 -0400
                Re: JavaFX disappearing in Java 11 Silvio <silvio@internet.com> - 2018-03-13 02:28 +0100
                Re: JavaFX disappearing in Java 11 Martin Gregorie <martin@mydomain.invalid> - 2018-03-13 11:39 +0000
                Re: JavaFX disappearing in Java 11 Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2018-03-13 07:54 -0400
                Re: JavaFX disappearing in Java 11 Martin Gregorie <martin@mydomain.invalid> - 2018-03-13 12:45 +0000
                Re: JavaFX disappearing in Java 11 Eric Douglas <e.d.programmer@gmail.com> - 2018-03-13 05:42 -0700
                Re: JavaFX disappearing in Java 11 Daniele Futtorovic <da.futt.news@laposte.net> - 2018-03-13 23:27 +0100
                Re: JavaFX disappearing in Java 11 Richard Maher <maher_rjSPAMLESS@hotmail.com> - 2018-03-14 08:35 +0800
                Re: JavaFX disappearing in Java 11 Eric Douglas <e.d.programmer@gmail.com> - 2018-03-14 05:03 -0700
                Re: JavaFX disappearing in Java 11 Eric Douglas <e.d.programmer@gmail.com> - 2018-03-14 05:08 -0700
                Re: JavaFX disappearing in Java 11 Daniele Futtorovic <da.futt.news@laposte.net> - 2018-03-15 11:50 +0100
                Re: JavaFX disappearing in Java 11 Eric Douglas <e.d.programmer@gmail.com> - 2018-03-15 05:47 -0700
                Re: JavaFX disappearing in Java 11 Martin Gregorie <martin@mydomain.invalid> - 2018-03-15 12:28 +0000
                Re: JavaFX disappearing in Java 11 Eric Douglas <e.d.programmer@gmail.com> - 2018-03-14 12:08 -0700
                Re: JavaFX disappearing in Java 11 Daniele Futtorovic <da.futt.news@laposte.net> - 2018-03-13 00:58 +0100
                Re: JavaFX disappearing in Java 11 Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2018-03-12 20:02 -0400
                Re: JavaFX disappearing in Java 11 Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2018-03-10 21:03 -0500
                Re: JavaFX disappearing in Java 11 Eric Douglas <e.d.programmer@gmail.com> - 2018-03-12 05:45 -0700
                Re: JavaFX disappearing in Java 11 Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2018-03-12 20:07 -0400
            Re: JavaFX disappearing in Java 11 Uniqua Lykerd <uniqualykerd@protonmail.com> - 2018-03-29 21:22 -0400
              Re: JavaFX disappearing in Java 11 Daniele Futtorovic <da.futt.news@laposte.net> - 2018-03-30 04:37 +0200
  Re: JavaFX disappearing in Java 11 Gianluca Bonetti <gianluca.bonetti@gmail.com> - 2018-03-11 09:59 -0700
    Re: JavaFX disappearing in Java 11 Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2018-03-12 20:17 -0400

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