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Re: JavaFX disappearing in Java 11

From	Daniele Futtorovic <da.futt.news@laposte.net>
Newsgroups	comp.lang.java.programmer
Subject	Re: JavaFX disappearing in Java 11
Date	2018-03-10 09:50 +0100
Organization	A noiseless patient Spider
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On 2018-03-10 03:07, Silvio wrote:
>> JavaFX runtime being removed from JRE - has that been
>> stated anywhere?
>>
> Nowhere, other than JDK has always been a superset of JRE.

That's like saying the Java developers are a superset of the Java users.
A tenuous proposition.

> Why on earth would they drop it from the JDK and leave it in the JRE?

Allegedly, because they're moving to a more structured release schedule
for the JDK. Cf. <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x7pkWlost64>.

Yeah, I don't see why in itself that would be a pertinent reason to
remove JavaFX from the JDK, either. That's clearly a spin. It's a fair
bet that going forward, Oracle is going to focus on where they make
their biggest returns with Java, namely server and associated web-y
techs, and focus less, and eventually not at all, on the desktop.

But to conclude from that that JavaFX itself is going to disappear, or
that desktop GUIs altogether are a thing of the past, is going too far.
Browser-based apps are not a panacea. They offer a huge advantage in
that they strongly impose MVC separations, which overall improves
applications' flexibility and potential reach -- especially as can be
more agnostic regarding where and over which transports they run, which
has been a consistent development in recent years. But they also have
inherent drawbacks -- overhead, third-party dependence and security come
to mind. To illustrate, if you use a desktop app for your online
banking, you have to trust your OS and your bank. If you use a
browser-based app, you have to trust your OS, your bank /and/ the
browser (recent developments have shown that one has to include the
hardware manufacturer in that list). I for one wouldn't be surprised if,
once the current trends have run their course and imposed more stringent
standards of application structuring, there'd eventually be some extent
of a move away from the browser.

You mention elsewhere in the thread that M$ is moving away from desktop
apps. Well, yeah, they've moved away from making apps _themselves_. Good
thing too; M$ is an OS manufacturer. They've only ever made apps in
order to sell their OS -- whether they realised it or not. At the same
time, as part of making their OS, they've invested lots of efforts into
enabling /others/ to make desktop apps for their desktop OS. And they've
been very successful at it: creating desktop apps for Windoze was and is
easy and accessible to everyone. That's more than can be said of Apple,
for instance.

Lastly, I believe there's some extent of professional bias at play here.
As Java devs, we might be led to believe that all app development is on
the 'net, because that's the jobs we get offered. I wonder whether for
instance a Python dev might have a radically different take on the matter.

-- 
DF.

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JavaFX disappearing in Java 11 Chris Riesbeck <Chris.Riesbeck@gmail.com> - 2018-03-08 13:10 -0600
  Re: JavaFX disappearing in Java 11 Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2018-03-08 14:15 -0500
    Re: JavaFX disappearing in Java 11 Richard Maher <maher_rjSPAMLESS@hotmail.com> - 2018-03-09 08:30 +0800
      Re: JavaFX disappearing in Java 11 Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2018-03-08 19:37 -0500
        Re: JavaFX disappearing in Java 11 Richard Maher <maher_rjSPAMLESS@hotmail.com> - 2018-03-09 11:09 +0800
        Re: JavaFX disappearing in Java 11 Eric Douglas <e.d.programmer@gmail.com> - 2018-03-09 05:19 -0800
          Re: JavaFX disappearing in Java 11 Silvio <silvio@internet.com> - 2018-03-10 00:02 +0100
            Re: JavaFX disappearing in Java 11 Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2018-03-09 19:28 -0500
              Re: JavaFX disappearing in Java 11 Silvio <silvio@internet.com> - 2018-03-10 03:12 +0100
                Re: JavaFX disappearing in Java 11 Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2018-03-09 21:28 -0500
                Re: JavaFX disappearing in Java 11 Richard Maher <maher_rjSPAMLESS@hotmail.com> - 2018-03-10 21:41 +0800
                Re: JavaFX disappearing in Java 11 Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2018-03-10 21:09 -0500
                Re: JavaFX disappearing in Java 11 Richard Maher <maher_rjSPAMLESS@hotmail.com> - 2018-03-11 10:46 +0800
                Re: JavaFX disappearing in Java 11 Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2018-03-10 22:39 -0500
          Re: JavaFX disappearing in Java 11 Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2018-03-09 19:23 -0500
      Re: JavaFX disappearing in Java 11 Ricardo Palomares Martinez <rpm.NOADS@proyectonave.es> - 2018-03-10 19:20 +0100
        Re: JavaFX disappearing in Java 11 Richard Maher <maher_rjSPAMLESS@hotmail.com> - 2018-03-11 10:49 +0800
          Re: JavaFX disappearing in Java 11 Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net> - 2018-03-12 15:36 -0700
  Re: JavaFX disappearing in Java 11 Eric Douglas <e.d.programmer@gmail.com> - 2018-03-08 11:49 -0800
    Re: JavaFX disappearing in Java 11 Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2018-03-08 15:00 -0500
      Re: JavaFX disappearing in Java 11 Eric Douglas <e.d.programmer@gmail.com> - 2018-03-08 12:32 -0800
        Re: JavaFX disappearing in Java 11 Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2018-03-08 16:51 -0500
          Re: JavaFX disappearing in Java 11 Daniele Futtorovic <da.futt.news@laposte.net> - 2018-03-09 00:57 +0100
            Re: JavaFX disappearing in Java 11 Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2018-03-08 19:20 -0500
              Re: JavaFX disappearing in Java 11 Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2018-03-08 19:23 -0500
                Re: JavaFX disappearing in Java 11 Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2018-03-08 19:28 -0500
              Re: JavaFX disappearing in Java 11 Martin Gregorie <martin@mydomain.invalid> - 2018-03-09 08:44 +0000
            Re: JavaFX disappearing in Java 11 Silvio <silvio@internet.com> - 2018-03-10 00:03 +0100
              Re: JavaFX disappearing in Java 11 Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2018-03-09 19:20 -0500
                Re: JavaFX disappearing in Java 11 Silvio <silvio@internet.com> - 2018-03-10 03:07 +0100
                Re: JavaFX disappearing in Java 11 Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2018-03-09 21:32 -0500
                Re: JavaFX disappearing in Java 11 Daniele Futtorovic <da.futt.news@laposte.net> - 2018-03-10 09:50 +0100
                Re: JavaFX disappearing in Java 11 Silvio <silvio@internet.com> - 2018-03-10 16:39 +0100
                Re: JavaFX disappearing in Java 11 Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2018-03-10 21:06 -0500
                Re: JavaFX disappearing in Java 11 Eric Douglas <e.d.programmer@gmail.com> - 2018-03-12 06:50 -0700
                Re: JavaFX disappearing in Java 11 Richard Maher <maher_rjSPAMLESS@hotmail.com> - 2018-03-12 23:41 +0800
                Re: JavaFX disappearing in Java 11 Eric Douglas <e.d.programmer@gmail.com> - 2018-03-12 09:10 -0700
                Re: JavaFX disappearing in Java 11 Richard Maher <maher_rjSPAMLESS@hotmail.com> - 2018-03-13 07:33 +0800
                Re: JavaFX disappearing in Java 11 Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2018-03-12 20:15 -0400
                Re: JavaFX disappearing in Java 11 Eric Douglas <e.d.programmer@gmail.com> - 2018-03-13 05:46 -0700
                Re: JavaFX disappearing in Java 11 Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2018-03-13 09:55 -0400
                Re: JavaFX disappearing in Java 11 Eric Douglas <e.d.programmer@gmail.com> - 2018-03-13 06:42 -0700
                Re: JavaFX disappearing in Java 11 Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2018-03-13 09:50 -0400
                Re: JavaFX disappearing in Java 11 Eric Douglas <e.d.programmer@gmail.com> - 2018-03-13 06:57 -0700
                Re: JavaFX disappearing in Java 11 Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2018-03-13 10:08 -0400
                Re: JavaFX disappearing in Java 11 Eric Douglas <e.d.programmer@gmail.com> - 2018-03-13 07:58 -0700
                Re: JavaFX disappearing in Java 11 Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2018-03-15 12:23 -0400
                Re: JavaFX disappearing in Java 11 Silvio <silvio@internet.com> - 2018-03-13 02:28 +0100
                Re: JavaFX disappearing in Java 11 Martin Gregorie <martin@mydomain.invalid> - 2018-03-13 11:39 +0000
                Re: JavaFX disappearing in Java 11 Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2018-03-13 07:54 -0400
                Re: JavaFX disappearing in Java 11 Martin Gregorie <martin@mydomain.invalid> - 2018-03-13 12:45 +0000
                Re: JavaFX disappearing in Java 11 Eric Douglas <e.d.programmer@gmail.com> - 2018-03-13 05:42 -0700
                Re: JavaFX disappearing in Java 11 Daniele Futtorovic <da.futt.news@laposte.net> - 2018-03-13 23:27 +0100
                Re: JavaFX disappearing in Java 11 Richard Maher <maher_rjSPAMLESS@hotmail.com> - 2018-03-14 08:35 +0800
                Re: JavaFX disappearing in Java 11 Eric Douglas <e.d.programmer@gmail.com> - 2018-03-14 05:03 -0700
                Re: JavaFX disappearing in Java 11 Eric Douglas <e.d.programmer@gmail.com> - 2018-03-14 05:08 -0700
                Re: JavaFX disappearing in Java 11 Daniele Futtorovic <da.futt.news@laposte.net> - 2018-03-15 11:50 +0100
                Re: JavaFX disappearing in Java 11 Eric Douglas <e.d.programmer@gmail.com> - 2018-03-15 05:47 -0700
                Re: JavaFX disappearing in Java 11 Martin Gregorie <martin@mydomain.invalid> - 2018-03-15 12:28 +0000
                Re: JavaFX disappearing in Java 11 Eric Douglas <e.d.programmer@gmail.com> - 2018-03-14 12:08 -0700
                Re: JavaFX disappearing in Java 11 Daniele Futtorovic <da.futt.news@laposte.net> - 2018-03-13 00:58 +0100
                Re: JavaFX disappearing in Java 11 Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2018-03-12 20:02 -0400
                Re: JavaFX disappearing in Java 11 Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2018-03-10 21:03 -0500
                Re: JavaFX disappearing in Java 11 Eric Douglas <e.d.programmer@gmail.com> - 2018-03-12 05:45 -0700
                Re: JavaFX disappearing in Java 11 Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2018-03-12 20:07 -0400
            Re: JavaFX disappearing in Java 11 Uniqua Lykerd <uniqualykerd@protonmail.com> - 2018-03-29 21:22 -0400
              Re: JavaFX disappearing in Java 11 Daniele Futtorovic <da.futt.news@laposte.net> - 2018-03-30 04:37 +0200
  Re: JavaFX disappearing in Java 11 Gianluca Bonetti <gianluca.bonetti@gmail.com> - 2018-03-11 09:59 -0700
    Re: JavaFX disappearing in Java 11 Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2018-03-12 20:17 -0400

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