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Re: No more free JRE - Java is dead?

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On Saturday, July 14, 2018 at 2:01:43 PM UTC-4, Arne Vajhøj wrote:
> First of all there does not seem to be any indication that
> Oracle has changed the rules fundamentally compared
> to SUN. General purpose usage is free - embedded usage
> is for pay. Support of free is limited time wise - support
> of for pay is very long term. Some details has changed over
> the years, but nothing fundamental.
> 
> And I am not so sure that making all production usage
> for pay would have been a wise move. C++, C#/.NET, PHP
> etc. are all free at runtime. If Java had meant
> pay at runtime, then Java would have been at a commercial
> disadvantage.
> 
> Arne

I have wondered if we write a system for company use that is versatile enough that other companies would want it would it be worthwhile to sell software.  Most languages are free now, so if they want to charge for their software just for our in house application, which was a free platform when we started using it then we're just stuck on one version?  Then we're like crap why didn't we use C#?

I just installed the latest, Java 8 update 181 and a message pops up:
Important Information about Oracle Java SE Roadmap
Changes are coming which will impact your access to future releases of Java SE from Oracle.
Corporate users will be impacted as soon as Jannuary 2019.
These changes do not affec the version you are about to install.
For additional guidance please follow the link below.
https://www.java.com/en/download/release_notice.jsp

This release notice does specify Java 8.  If I'm reading it right this is nothing new, this is just saying they're killing version 8, then if you want any support or updates for 8 you have to pay them.  Java 9 and 10 are out now if you want to start converting code and testing this new modular stuff, as I expect 11 will work the same.  While 8 is dead by January for free public use, 11 is supposed to be out this September.  Along with this change it seems they're going to stop installing Java on every client.  The new JDK should allow you to build your own runtime that doesn't require anything pre-installed.

The release notice also says Open JDK is also managed by Oracle, and they are working to make it interchangeable with Java SE.  Along with this they say they also want to make their tools free which were previously only available with paid subscriptions, such as Java Flight Recorder.

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No more free JRE - Java is dead? slawek <x.y@org.org> - 2018-06-27 09:29 +0200
  Re: No more free JRE - Java is dead? Martin Gregorie <martin@mydomain.invalid> - 2018-06-27 12:00 +0000
  Re: No more free JRE - Java is dead? Eric Douglas <e.d.programmer@gmail.com> - 2018-06-27 08:24 -0700
  Re: No more free JRE - Java is dead? Marcel Mueller <news.5.maazl@spamgourmet.org> - 2018-06-27 20:07 +0200
    Re: No more free JRE - Java is dead? Eric Douglas <e.d.programmer@gmail.com> - 2018-06-27 12:24 -0700
      Re: No more free JRE - Java is dead? Marcel Mueller <news.5.maazl@spamgourmet.org> - 2018-06-27 21:50 +0200
        Re: No more free JRE - Java is dead? Eric Douglas <e.d.programmer@gmail.com> - 2018-06-27 13:35 -0700
      Re: No more free JRE - Java is dead? Martin Gregorie <martin@mydomain.invalid> - 2018-06-27 20:38 +0000
        Re: No more free JRE - Java is dead? Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2018-06-27 20:14 -0400
          Re: No more free JRE - Java is dead? Martin Gregorie <martin@mydomain.invalid> - 2018-06-28 19:40 +0000
            Re: No more free JRE - Java is dead? Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2018-06-28 18:32 -0400
              Re: No more free JRE - Java is dead? Martin Gregorie <martin@mydomain.invalid> - 2018-06-28 23:15 +0000
  Re: No more free JRE - Java is dead? Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2018-06-27 20:09 -0400
    Re: No more free JRE - Java is dead? Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2018-06-27 21:07 -0400
  Re: No more free JRE - Java is dead? Haddock <ffm2002@web.de> - 2018-07-11 23:31 -0700
    Re: No more free JRE - Java is dead? Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2018-07-14 14:01 -0400
      Re: No more free JRE - Java is dead? Eric Douglas <e.d.programmer@gmail.com> - 2018-07-20 05:51 -0700
        Re: No more free JRE - Java is dead? Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2018-07-20 21:43 -0400
    Re: No more free JRE - Java is dead? Jukka Lahtinen <jtfjdehf@hotmail.com.invalid> - 2018-07-15 14:04 +0300

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