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Re: esp8266 eForth and it's development software

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On 3/7/2017 3:23 AM, Mark Wills wrote:
> On Monday, 6 March 2017 22:56:22 UTC, Rod Pemberton  wrote:
>> On Mon, 6 Mar 2017 12:28:46 -0600
>> Cecil Bayona <cbayona@cbayona.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On 3/6/2017 3:45 AM, Mark Wills wrote:
>>
>>> I just had a good laugh, I looked through my bookshelf to see what
>>> books I have on C programming, one book, Kernighan and Ritchie's "The
>>> C Programming Language". I have tons of books on various programming
>>> subjects such as data structures, sorting, and other programming task
>>> but they are not C books Other books on languages such as MatLab,
>>> Delphi, Prolog, .Net Languages such as C#, VB.NET, PHP, and other
>>> languages including Forth, but one book on C, "The Book" on C, the
>>> language reference by the creators of C.
>>>
>>> It says something about C, how simple it is, that one book was all I
>>> felt I ever needed. But the language is a bear when you have pointer
>>> errors because anything is basically allowed, now you have lint to
>>> find unassigned pointers and such.
>>
>> I beg to differ.  "THE Book" on C is *NOT* Kernighan and Ritchie's "The
>> C Programming Language."  That's only an introduction to C.  Far and
>> away the absolute best book on C that exists is "C: A Reference Manual"
>> by Samuel P. Harbison and Guy L. Steele, Jr. of Tartan Laboratories.
>> It's truly the only book on C you'll ever need.  Another good book is
>> "The Standard C Library" by P.J. Plauger.  These are the only two books
>> in my library of C books that were worth the money.  They are the only
>> two that I've consistently used for a few decades now.  If you ask on
>> comp.lang.c, they'll tell you that you need "C Unleashed" since a bunch
>> of the people who posted to the Usenet group circa year 2000 wrote it,
>> such as Richard Heathfield, Lawrence Kirby, and something like 15
>> others.  Personally, I wouldn't suggest anyone spend money on this book
>> either.
>>
>>
>> Rod Pemberton
>> --
>> All it takes for humanity to conquer the world's toughest problems
>> is to hope, to believe, to share, and to do, in cooperation.
>
> Yes. I found the K&R book too terse when I read it (very early 90s). I was just
> learning C, there was no internet (that I or anyone I knew had access to)
> and I was pretty much on my own. In those days you went to the library to
> find stuff out.
>
> It kind of left me with a bad feeling when it comes to C. That and some
> horrifically complicated C code that I once got involved with
> that was written by a black-belt ninja C guru type bloke. We would pontificate
> if he deliberately wrote obtuse C code when he wasn't in the room. It was
> was really hard to follow, and he was an obnoxious bastard. Everyone was
> afraid to ask him anything for fear of ridicule. It the was pointer syntax
> that I always struggled with in C. Everything else seemed quite nice.
> Simple pointers are okay, pointers to structs etc, yeah I was okay with that. It was when you started to get into double indirection (pointers to pointers) that it got tricky!
>
My first experience with C was to write my own version of a C compiler, 
a difficult thing when you don't have a working C compiler, the initial 
code was written in PL/M and once enough of it started working translate 
that to C and self compile from then on. Quite a convoluted project, but 
I was young and had lots of energy, I also had AMD floating point chip 
to do floating point eventually. I was a recursive decent compiler and 
was pretty complete a couple of years later including a peephole 
optimizer, I wish I had kept the source. Much later Borland came up with 
a decent C compiler and that pretty much stopped further development on it.

I bought two more books to round out the library a hardbound copy of "C: 
A Reference Manual" and Plauger's Library book as an eBook. That is it 
for now, one hardbound book and eleven eBooks with about half no on C 
but on programming subjects, twelve books for around $70 shortly I will 
do the same for C++ but not on such a large scale maybe two to four 
books, I never have been a great fan of C++. At the time I looked at it 
it was hard to read compared to C and it generated not so fast code with 
it's emphasis on object oriented code.

I started creating a project to convert the eForth Arduino based VM to 
C, lots of errors but I had to quit as major storms were moving in with 
heavy thunderstorms and a Tornado Watch in effect.

-- 
Cecil - k5nwa

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esp8266 eForth and it's development software Cecil Bayona <cbayona@cbayona.com> - 2017-03-01 15:18 -0600
  Re: esp8266 eForth and it's development software David Schultz <abuse@127.0.0.1> - 2017-03-01 15:29 -0600
    Re: esp8266 eForth and it's development software Cecil Bayona <cbayona@cbayona.com> - 2017-03-01 17:16 -0600
      Re: esp8266 eForth and it's development software David Schultz <abuse@127.0.0.1> - 2017-03-01 17:51 -0600
        Re: esp8266 eForth and it's development software Cecil Bayona <cbayona@cbayona.com> - 2017-03-01 18:36 -0600
          Re: esp8266 eForth and it's development software Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2017-03-01 16:53 -0800
            Re: esp8266 eForth and it's development software Cecil Bayona <cbayona@cbayona.com> - 2017-03-01 19:28 -0600
              Re: esp8266 eForth and it's development software Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2017-03-01 17:56 -0800
                Re: esp8266 eForth and it's development software Cecil Bayona <cbayona@cbayona.com> - 2017-03-01 20:53 -0600
                Re: esp8266 eForth and it's development software Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2017-03-01 18:57 -0800
                Re: esp8266 eForth and it's development software Cecil Bayona <cbayona@cbayona.com> - 2017-03-01 21:17 -0600
                Re: esp8266 eForth and it's development software David Schultz <abuse@127.0.0.1> - 2017-03-01 21:38 -0600
                Re: esp8266 eForth and it's development software Cecil Bayona <cbayona@cbayona.com> - 2017-03-01 22:02 -0600
                Re: esp8266 eForth and it's development software Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2017-03-01 19:40 -0800
                Re: esp8266 eForth and it's development software Cecil Bayona <cbayona@cbayona.com> - 2017-03-01 22:44 -0600
  Re: esp8266 eForth and it's development software Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2017-03-01 14:50 -0800
    Re: esp8266 eForth and it's development software Cecil Bayona <cbayona@cbayona.com> - 2017-03-01 17:26 -0600
      Re: esp8266 eForth and it's development software Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2017-03-01 15:41 -0800
      Re: esp8266 eForth and it's development software Cecil Bayona <cbayona@cbayona.com> - 2017-03-01 18:10 -0600
  Re: esp8266 eForth and it's development software Cecil Bayona <cbayona@cbayona.com> - 2017-03-04 20:50 -0600
    Re: esp8266 eForth and it's development software Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2017-03-04 20:10 -0800
      Re: esp8266 eForth and it's development software Cecil Bayona <cbayona@cbayona.com> - 2017-03-04 23:06 -0600
        Re: esp8266 eForth and it's development software Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2017-03-04 21:25 -0800
          Re: esp8266 eForth and it's development software Cecil Bayona <cbayona@cbayona.com> - 2017-03-05 00:47 -0600
            Re: esp8266 eForth and it's development software Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2017-03-05 01:36 -0800
              Re: esp8266 eForth and it's development software Cecil Bayona <cbayona@cbayona.com> - 2017-03-05 17:11 -0600
              Re: esp8266 eForth and it's development software Cecil Bayona <cbayona@cbayona.com> - 2017-03-05 15:43 -0600
            Re: esp8266 eForth and it's development software Mark Wills <markwills1970@gmail.com> - 2017-03-06 01:45 -0800
              Re: esp8266 eForth and it's development software Cecil Bayona <cbayona@cbayona.com> - 2017-03-06 10:44 -0600
              Re: esp8266 eForth and it's development software Cecil Bayona <cbayona@cbayona.com> - 2017-03-06 12:28 -0600
                Re: esp8266 eForth and it's development software Cecil Bayona <cbayona@cbayona.com> - 2017-03-06 16:00 -0600
                Re: esp8266 eForth and it's development software Rod Pemberton <NeedNotReplyHere@xrsevnneqk.cem> - 2017-03-06 17:57 -0500
                Re: esp8266 eForth and it's development software Mark Wills <markwills1970@gmail.com> - 2017-03-07 01:23 -0800
                Re: esp8266 eForth and it's development software albert@cherry.spenarnc.xs4all.nl (Albert van der Horst) - 2017-03-07 12:32 +0100
                Re: esp8266 eForth and it's development software Cecil Bayona <cbayona@cbayona.com> - 2017-03-07 10:39 -0600
  Re: esp8266 eForth and it's development software albert@cherry.spenarnc.xs4all.nl (Albert van der Horst) - 2017-03-06 13:35 +0100
    Re: esp8266 eForth and it's development software Cecil Bayona <cbayona@cbayona.com> - 2017-03-06 10:51 -0600
      Re: esp8266 eForth and it's development software Cecil Bayona <cbayona@cbayona.com> - 2017-03-07 22:33 -0600
        Re: esp8266 eForth and it's development software Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2017-03-07 20:39 -0800
          Re: esp8266 eForth and it's development software Cecil Bayona <cbayona@cbayona.com> - 2017-03-07 23:42 -0600
            Re: esp8266 eForth and it's development software Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2017-03-07 23:44 -0800
              Re: esp8266 eForth and it's development software Cecil Bayona <cbayona@cbayona.com> - 2017-03-08 11:03 -0600
          Re: esp8266 eForth and it's development software albert@cherry.spenarnc.xs4all.nl (Albert van der Horst) - 2017-03-08 12:05 +0100
    Re: esp8266 eForth and it's development software anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2017-03-06 17:09 +0000
      Re: esp8266 eForth and it's development software albert@cherry.spenarnc.xs4all.nl (Albert van der Horst) - 2017-03-07 12:52 +0100

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