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Re: Which scripting for embedded automation?

From Bernd Linsel <bl1@gmx.com>
Newsgroups comp.lang.forth
Subject Re: Which scripting for embedded automation?
Date 2015-07-30 02:01 +0200
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On 29/07/2015 19:09, Anton Ertl wrote:
 >
 > Sorry, you lost me here.  The first part seems to point out that
 > source-based inlining is, in general, incorrect; of course that is the
 > case, and not just because of the state of the dictionary, but also
 > because of other state.  It's not clear to me what the second part is
 > about.  You can read more about how to do inlining in
 >
[snip]
thank you, I know most of your publications regarding Forth.

I suppose I didn't express it clearly. Of course is source-based 
inlining wrong. I wanted to point out that on the other side, compiled 
and fully optimized native machine code isn't suitable for inlining 
either. You have to keep an intermediate representation, e.g. the 
classic threaded Forth compilation result, otherwise you cannot benefit 
from eliminating junction points entering and leaving the inlined word.

 >>>> RISC is in my opinion just muscles without the brain; raw force 
without
 >>>> any sophistication.
 >>>
 >>> The idea in RISC originally was that you design the architecture
 >>> together with the compiler (or at least with a view to what compilers
 >>> can do and actually do); so I guess the brains are then in the 
compiler.
 >>
 >> Okay, but they designed mostly C-compilers, not Forths.
 >
 > More like Pascal compilers AFAIK.  Anyway, RISCs work nicely for
 > Forth.
 >
 >> And today it is common sense that the end-of-80s' goal of leaving the
 >> hard job of optimizing to the compiler has failed, or at least, hasn't
 >> been reached until today.
 >
 > Concerning the typical RISC features, it has succeeded.  However, some
 > of the features, in particular architectural delay slots, were found
 > to be inappropriate for subsequent hardware generations.  Having many
 > registers and a load/store architecture is still beneficial, although
 > the advantage of RISCs has dwindled as more transistors became
 > available.  Where transistors are still an issue (e.g., for power
 > reasons), RISCs (in the form of ARM) still prevails.
 >
That's actually true.

 >>>> If directed (programmed) accurately, you may achieve
 >>>> great performance -- if not, you can fail epically.
 >>>
 >>> Actually, the RISC-specific performance issues like branch or load
 >>> delay slots cannot produce epic wins or epic fails; the numbers I
 >>> remember are on the order of 10%.
 >>
 >> My own experience was at about 50%, when placed at the most crucial
 >> positions in a Forth interpreter: NEXT, DOCOL, SEMI-S.
 >
 > When you do it by hand, it's pretty easy to get close to optimal
 > performance for these.  And when you let GCC at it (as we did in
 > Gforth), it was also pretty easy.
 >

You haven't apparently seen what I've already encountered, what some 
vendors call e.g. 'MIPS R4000 targeting compiler'. Could probably work 
for a DLX, but never in the 'real world' (and yes, they accounted for 
jump delays, generally stuffing a NOP in).

 >>> By contrast, avoiding cache misses can have a much bigger effect, but
 >>> caches are not RISC-specific.  Indeed, the problem with mixing code
 >>> and data is, in a way, CISC-specific; not because of RISC design
 >>> principles, but because separate I and D caches were introduced at
 >>> about the same time as RISCs, so RISC architectures were designed for
 >>> them (and required that software synchronizes the caches explicitly),
 >>> whereas older (CISC) architectures did the synchonization in hardware,
 >>> sometimes more often than necessary, at a steep cost.
 >>
 >> Mixing code and data is just as well expensive on RISCs, because cache
 >> synchronization always takes its time, regardless whether initiated from
 >> software or hardware.
 >
 > Just because you have code close to data, you don't need to
 > synchronize the caches.  So on architectures that require software
 > synchronization, you only synchronize when you first generate the
 > code, but not later.  In contrast, on architectures with hardware
 > synchronization, the hardware synchronizes whenever there is a write
 > to (on some hardware even a read from) a cache line followed by a code
 > execution from the same cache line (but different bytes).  And that
 > has led to a slowdown by a factor of 8 of bigForth compared to Gforth
 > on one benchmark.
 >
OK, but the simpler approach is just separating code and data. When 
doing embedded stuff in Flash EEPROM, its almost always required anyway.

--
Best regards,
Bernd Linsel

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    Re: Which scripting for embedded automation? rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2015-11-29 02:45 -0500
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