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Re: Which scripting for embedded automation?

From Bernd Linsel <bl1@gmx.com>
Newsgroups comp.lang.forth
Subject Re: Which scripting for embedded automation?
Date 2015-07-29 18:24 +0200
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Am 29.07.2015 um 12:28 schrieb Anton Ertl:> Bernd Linsel <bl1@gmx.com> 
writes:
 >> After having implemented several Forth VMs and native compilers on MIPS
 >> and ARM embedded systems, I may remark that Forth on RISC machines tends
 >> to be rather clumsy, regarding load delay slots, missing diplaced
 >> indirect addressing, and so on.
 >> You have to optimize very carefully if you want to have a stall-free
 >> running Forth on a RISC.
 >> (Not even to mention cache thrashing and similar effects that nowadays
 >> also CISC processors suffer from if you're mixing code and data).
 >>
 >> An optimizing native compiler gains of course performance of a large
 >> register set, if you analyze the data flow on the stack and map it on
 >> the registers, eliminating nearly all DUPs, SWAPs, DROPs etc (with the
 >> exception that the stack/register mapping must be consistent on all
 >> junction points).
 >
 > Inlining is also important, because otherwise calls and returns are
 > the most frequent control-flow operation and, more importantly the
 > most common register allocation boundary, which makes the large
 > register set and all the sophistication you mention above much less
 > effective; alternatively, interprocedural register allocation, but
 > that is harder and probably less effective.

It's not just inlining, it's better to recompile (constraining the 
dictionary to its state at definition time of the 'inlined' word, 
otherwise you would produce "evaluate-macros"), because only then 
junction points are eliminated and the stack/register mapping at compile 
time unfolds its full power.

So you save the efforts for indeed mostly not very effective and complex 
interprocedural register allocation, and achieve nice performance though.

 >> RISC is in my opinion just muscles without the brain; raw force without
 >> any sophistication.
 >
 > The idea in RISC originally was that you design the architecture
 > together with the compiler (or at least with a view to what compilers
 > can do and actually do); so I guess the brains are then in the compiler.

Okay, but they designed mostly C-compilers, not Forths.

And today it is common sense that the end-of-80s' goal of leaving the 
hard job of optimizing to the compiler has failed, or at least, hasn't 
been reached until today. But in the meantime we have undoubtedly 
learned a lot about compilation, program and data flow analysis, and 
code generation.

 >> If directed (programmed) accurately, you may achieve
 >> great performance -- if not, you can fail epically.
 >
 > Actually, the RISC-specific performance issues like branch or load
 > delay slots cannot produce epic wins or epic fails; the numbers I
 > remember are on the order of 10%.

My own experience was at about 50%, when placed at the most crucial 
positions in a Forth interpreter: NEXT, DOCOL, SEMI-S.

 > Other things, like good register allocation, is also important on
 > CISCs.  And combining several Forth words into instructions may be
 > more important on CISCs than on RISCs; e.g. "cells + @ +" can (and
 > probably should) be combined into one instruction on IA-32 and AMD64,
 > whereas translating each word into one instruction does not miss any
 > optimization opportunity on MIPS.
 >
 > By contrast, avoiding cache misses can have a much bigger effect, but
 > caches are not RISC-specific.  Indeed, the problem with mixing code
 > and data is, in a way, CISC-specific; not because of RISC design
 > principles, but because separate I and D caches were introduced at
 > about the same time as RISCs, so RISC architectures were designed for
 > them (and required that software synchronizes the caches explicitly),
 > whereas older (CISC) architectures did the synchonization in hardware,
 > sometimes more often than necessary, at a steep cost.

Mixing code and data is just as well expensive on RISCs, because cache 
synchronization always takes its time, regardless whether initiated from 
software or hardware. Doing it from software may be a bit more 
effective, because the programmer knows best when it is appropriate and 
needed.
In both cases the programmer is responsible for avoiding thrashing effects.

 > The overall design principle of general-purpose hardware has been to
 > make the common case fast.  Another design principle is to make some
 > case very fast, and to leave it to software to make that case common;
 > this design principle is most common in supercomputing, but
 > occasionally hardware designers try to apply it elsewhere, mostly
 > unsuccessfully (e.g., IA-64 and the Cell architecture in PS3).
 >
 > - anton
 >
--
Best regards,
Bernd Linsel

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    Re: Which scripting for embedded automation? rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2015-11-29 02:45 -0500
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