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Re: Which scripting for embedded automation?

From Bernd Linsel <bl1@gmx.com>
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Subject Re: Which scripting for embedded automation?
Date 2015-07-28 19:22 +0200
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Am 27.07.2015 um 20:02 schrieb hughaguilar96@gmail.com:
> On Sunday, July 26, 2015 at 10:29:59 PM UTC-7, Rod Pemberton wrote:
>> C captures the essence of all generic microprocessors.

Nope. C works fine on machines with huge register sets, a hardware call 
stack, and a frame pointer. You're even better off if it supports 
indexed register-indirect addressing modes.

I wouldn't call that a "generic microprocessor". Look at the (vain) 
efforts to implement C on the 1980's common processors (8080/5, 8086, 
...). Motorolas 68K was the first part decently usable for C.

>> Forth,
>> instead, usually attempts to impose it's own virtual machine.

Forth runs perfectly on stack machines, e.g. RTX 2000. You should read 
Philip J. Koopman, Jr's publications:
http://users.ece.cmu.edu/~koopman/stack_computers/

 >> So,
>> in that regard, it would actually suit Forth to be more C like.
>> Even Hugh is having difficulty adding functionality to Forth
>> without recreating C functionality.  He's done so twice with
>> projects even though he riles against C-like memory allocation for
>> Forth.  Anton doesn't even bother attempting to hide from C.
>
> [snip]
>
> Another thing: most of the micro-processors of 20-30 years ago were
> CISC and had instructions provided specifically to support C (the
> 65c816 and MC6808 both had indexing addressing into the return-stack,
> for example) --- they weren't "generic microprocessors" but were in
> fact C-engines (as compared to processors such as the MiniForth or
> the Novix that were Forth-engines)

yep

> --- nowadays we have RISC
> processors such as the ARM that are much more generic in design, and
> hence are reasonable targets for C or Forth or any other language.

After having implemented several Forth VMs and native compilers on MIPS 
and ARM embedded systems, I may remark that Forth on RISC machines tends 
to be rather clumsy, regarding load delay slots, missing diplaced 
indirect addressing, and so on.
You have to optimize very carefully if you want to have a stall-free 
running Forth on a RISC.
(Not even to mention cache thrashing and similar effects that nowadays 
also CISC processors suffer from if you're mixing code and data).

An optimizing native compiler gains of course performance of a large 
register set, if you analyze the data flow on the stack and map it on 
the registers, eliminating nearly all DUPs, SWAPs, DROPs etc (with the 
exception that the stack/register mapping must be consistent on all 
junction points).

RISC is in my opinion just muscles without the brain; raw force without 
any sophistication. If directed (programmed) accurately, you may achieve 
great performance -- if not, you can fail epically.

>
> I think that it is uncool that people should talk about me in threads
> that I'm not involved in, especially if they make up stuff that isn't
> true. I wasn't even going to read this thread because I agree with
> Mark that Forth is a bad choice as a scripting language (the
> MiniForth was used in motion-control of a laser-etcher and competed
> well against the competitor's 68K system written in C, which is a lot
> different than trying to compete against Python as described in this
> thread) --- I only read the thread because I was bored, but then I
> find the usual cast of idiots talking about me and saying that I'm
> "recreating C functionality" (that's not true; I compared LOTD to C
> in my document showing how different they were; if anything, I'm
> recreating Factor functionality).
>

--
Regards
Bernd

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  Re: Which scripting for embedded automation? Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2015-07-24 10:15 -0700
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                Re: Which scripting for embedded automation? "WJ" <w_a_x_man@yahoo.com> - 2015-08-10 22:52 +0000
                Re: Which scripting for embedded automation? "Rod Pemberton" <boo@fasdfrewar.cdm> - 2015-07-26 17:11 -0400
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