Re: Which scripting for embedded automation?

From	Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid>
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Subject	Re: Which scripting for embedded automation?
Date	2015-07-25 10:26 -0700
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rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> writes:
>> Look, if you are doing scripting, then you are doing things like:
>> * Pinging IP addresses (e.g. a gateway) and changing routing tables..
>> * Rotating log or error files depending on their age...
>> * Searching for files of a given type, or date range, and moving them,
>>    or zipping them, or deleting them.
>> Forth has *no* standard way to do any of these things.

> No, but you are kidding me.  It is clear that you have virtually no
> experience with Forth. 

Based on Mark's earlier posts going back for years, he is an
accomplished Forth user and implementer.

> Does a language need a "standard" way to do everything you want to do?

It helps if there's at least a documented way in a given implementation.

> No, none of the things you mention are in the Forth "standard" and
> yet, many apps have been written that do exactly these things.  In
> fact, most are a part of the Forth systems that you would use. 

There's probably some way in gforth to do those things, but looking at
  http://www.complang.tuwien.ac.at/forth/gforth/Docs-html/ 
for example, I don't how to get the timestamp (last modification
time) of a file.  There might be some library in the distro somewhere
for it, but otherwise it means using the C interface.

> But if you check the OP's requirements, he didn't mention any of
> these.

It's a reasonable basic premise that a networked automation controller
should write logs of what it's been doing.  I haven't heard of any
reasonable logging system in Forth.  Logging is a surprisingly
complicated problem and there are lots of competing solutions in other
languages, that all have their good points and drawbacks.  But the basic
requirements are:

- multiple concurrent tasks in the application have to be able to emit
  log messages simultaneously, and these messages get written to the
  same log without getting garbled
- logging should be asynchronous from the application, so if your
  task logs a message it shouldn't have to wait for the log i/o before
  it can keep running
- log messages can at times be emitted faster than the log output
  device can keep up with, so there has to be some buffering
- you need strategies for when there is too much stuff to buffer,
  for when the disk gets full, etc
- you want to be able to log to disk files and also over the network,
  maybe simultaneously
- for logging on disk, you want to automatically rotate log files
  every so often and/or when they reach a specified size
- you need precise control of the log format so you can satisfy the
  formatting requirements of whatever is consuming the logs (that might
  some analytics tool not written by you, or it might even be another
  organization)
- etc. etc. etc.

The docs for the Python standard logging module are here:
  https://docs.python.org/3/library/logging.html

That system is clumsy to use and I'd call it "unpythonic" (not a good
example of idiomatic Python) and I suspect it's patterned after a Java
package, but it does most or all of the stuff above, and the stuff is
not useless bloat.  It really does become necessary from time to time,
so that module replaced earlier, simpler ones that were missing needed
functionality.  

And no it's not always better to start with something simple and
implement what you need as you go along.  Your program is may want to
use 3rd party modules that themselves have to log stuff, so you want a
standardized logging interface that implements everything up front, and
whose availability the different module authors can rely on.

> "such as scan and ping other devices, string like data
> transfer,etc. And there is need of some logic to parse received
> content."

Yes, that sounds like a big pain in Forth.  For example, lots of home
devices (think of your DSL router, but these days even things like
refrigerators) have built-in web servers that show UI's meant to be used
by humans rather than programs.  So if you want to automate those
devices, your script has to scrape the HTML and interact with it.
There's a nice Python library that I use all the time for that:

  http://www.crummy.com/software/BeautifulSoup/bs4/doc/

I can't even imagine what a hassle it would be to do that in Forth.

As an issue not even mentioned, an automation system probably wants to
communicate with several targets concurrently, so some kind of
multitasking is helpful, or else you need asynchronous i/o facilities
and callback pain.  I think Gforth now has preemptive multitasking using
Posix threads, but it's not currently documented.  You might have to
deal with the traditional hazards of low level threaded programming.
Python has multiple concurrency approaches that provide a reasonable
level of safety, and Erlang is even better (independent lighweight
processes that communicate by message passing).

> Wow!  You clearly have some issues with programming languages.
> Perhaps you should put down the keyboard and walk away?

I'm not trying to insult you since I know you're a strong implementer in
some areas, but I suspect you haven't done a lot of internet
programming.  It's not like MCU programming where you're in control of
everything.  There's much more interoperating with external services
written by other people and whose crufty requirements you have to deal
with, more weird formats to parse, concurrency is required rather often,
for non-stop systems you need code upgrade and failover mechanisms
(Erlang again has the best story for this: you can upgrade your app
without interrupting its existing network connections), etc.

Forth (and for similar reason C) work nicely when the data fits
naturally into cells (machine words).  For variable sized data like
strings, Forth has some features that can be used with a bit of
headache.  For more complicated data like HTML documents that are
manipulated as tree structure, you're really better off with a garbage
collected language.

You might give Python a try sometime.  There's lots of intro material:

  https://wiki.python.org/moin/BeginnersGuide/Programmers

I got started with the official tutorial, current version here:

  https://docs.python.org/3/tutorial/index.html

You might want to look at section 3 (intro to the language) first.  The
earlier sections are stuff like invocation instructions.

Here is a set of Forth solutions for the first 25 Euler problems:

  http://www.fourtheye.org/cgi-bin/language.pl?language=forth

The same guy also did solutions in various other languages, so you can
compare their complexity:

  http://www.fourtheye.org/projecteulertable.html

(his Python solutions are a bit clunky in my opinion, and warning, some
of them might only work in Python 2 since in Python 3 they changed some
stuff).

Here are Haskell solutions: 

  https://wiki.haskell.org/Euler_problems

Lots of the time it should be able to write Python code that's fairly
similar to the Haskell code.

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Re: Which scripting for embedded automation? rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2015-07-24 12:19 -0400
  Re: Which scripting for embedded automation? Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2015-07-24 10:15 -0700
    Re: Which scripting for embedded automation? foxaudioresearch@gmail.com - 2015-07-24 10:32 -0700
    Re: Which scripting for embedded automation? "WJ" <w_a_x_man@yahoo.com> - 2015-07-24 23:06 +0000
      Re: Which scripting for embedded automation? Don Y <this@is.not.me.com> - 2015-07-24 17:00 -0700
        Re: Which scripting for embedded automation? rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2015-07-24 20:52 -0400
          Re: Which scripting for embedded automation? Mark Wills <markwills1970@gmail.com> - 2015-07-25 01:28 -0700
            Re: Which scripting for embedded automation? josv@planet.nl - 2015-07-25 07:15 -0700
            Re: Which scripting for embedded automation? rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2015-07-25 10:19 -0400
              Re: Which scripting for embedded automation? Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2015-07-25 10:26 -0700
              Re: Which scripting for embedded automation? Mark Wills <markwills1970@gmail.com> - 2015-07-27 00:42 -0700
                Re: Which scripting for embedded automation? "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> - 2015-07-26 22:07 -1000
                Re: Which scripting for embedded automation? Mark Wills <markwills1970@gmail.com> - 2015-07-27 01:44 -0700
                Re: Which scripting for embedded automation? foxaudioresearch@gmail.com - 2015-07-27 05:57 -0700
                Re: Which scripting for embedded automation? "Alex McDonald" <blog@rivadpm.com> - 2015-07-27 14:02 +0100
                Re: Which scripting for embedded automation? foxaudioresearch@gmail.com - 2015-07-27 08:41 -0700
                Re: Which scripting for embedded automation? Julian Fondren <julian.fondren@gmail.com> - 2015-07-27 08:36 -0700
            Re: Which scripting for embedded automation? rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2015-07-25 10:20 -0400
              Re: Which scripting for embedded automation? glidedog@gmail.com - 2015-07-26 04:01 -0700
                Re: Which scripting for embedded automation? "Alex McDonald" <blog@rivadpm.com> - 2015-07-26 18:53 +0100
                Re: Which scripting for embedded automation? Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2015-07-26 11:18 -0700
                Re: Which scripting for embedded automation? "Alex McDonald" <blog@rivadpm.com> - 2015-07-26 20:25 +0100
                Re: Which scripting for embedded automation? anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2015-07-27 07:36 +0000
                Re: Which scripting for embedded automation? Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2015-07-27 01:12 -0700
                Re: Which scripting for embedded automation? anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2015-07-27 10:02 +0000
                Re: Which scripting for embedded automation? "Alex McDonald" <blog@rivadpm.com> - 2015-07-27 13:44 +0100
                Re: Which scripting for embedded automation? anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2015-07-27 15:15 +0000
                Re: Which scripting for embedded automation? glidedog@gmail.com - 2015-07-27 04:52 -0700
                Re: Which scripting for embedded automation? "Alex McDonald" <blog@rivadpm.com> - 2015-07-27 14:01 +0100
                Re: Which scripting for embedded automation? glidedog@gmail.com - 2015-07-27 06:16 -0700
                Re: Which scripting for embedded automation? "Alex McDonald" <blog@rivadpm.com> - 2015-07-27 14:33 +0100
                Re: Which scripting for embedded automation? "Alex McDonald" <blog@rivadpm.com> - 2015-07-27 14:34 +0100
                Re: Which scripting for embedded automation? Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2015-07-27 10:47 -0700
                Re: Which scripting for embedded automation? "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> - 2015-07-27 08:12 -1000
                Re: Which scripting for embedded automation? Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2015-07-27 11:24 -0700
                Re: Which scripting for embedded automation? "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> - 2015-07-27 08:41 -1000
                Re: Which scripting for embedded automation? Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2015-07-27 12:49 -0700
                Re: Which scripting for embedded automation? Julian Fondren <julian.fondren@gmail.com> - 2015-07-27 14:38 -0700
                Re: Which scripting for embedded automation? "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> - 2015-07-27 12:02 -1000
                Re: Which scripting for embedded automation? hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2015-07-27 11:16 -0700
                Re: Which scripting for embedded automation? "Alex McDonald" <blog@rivadpm.com> - 2015-07-27 20:11 +0100
                Re: Which scripting for embedded automation? anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2015-07-27 13:50 +0000
                Re: Which scripting for embedded automation? glidedog@gmail.com - 2015-07-27 08:56 -0700
                Re: Which scripting for embedded automation? Doug Hoffman <glidedog@gmail.com> - 2015-08-09 09:32 -0400
                Re: Which scripting for embedded automation? "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> - 2015-08-09 16:30 -1000
                Re: Which scripting for embedded automation? hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2015-08-09 22:56 -0700
                Re: Which scripting for embedded automation? anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2015-08-10 08:53 +0000
                Re: Which scripting for embedded automation? "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> - 2015-08-10 08:28 -1000
                Re: Which scripting for embedded automation? anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2015-08-11 15:17 +0000
                Re: Which scripting for embedded automation? hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2015-08-10 14:14 -0700
                Re: Which scripting for embedded automation? hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2015-08-10 16:29 -0700
                Re: Which scripting for embedded automation? Mark Wills <markwills1970@gmail.com> - 2015-08-11 01:44 -0700
                Re: Which scripting for embedded automation? "Alex McDonald" <blog@rivadpm.com> - 2015-08-11 11:09 +0100
                Re: Which scripting for embedded automation? rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2015-08-11 11:03 -0400
                Re: Which scripting for embedded automation? Mark Wills <markwills1970@gmail.com> - 2015-08-11 08:08 -0700
                Re: Which scripting for embedded automation? "Alex McDonald" <blog@rivadpm.com> - 2015-08-11 17:21 +0100
                Re: Which scripting for embedded automation? hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2015-08-11 22:05 -0700
                Re: Which scripting for embedded automation? Mark Wills <markwills1970@gmail.com> - 2015-08-12 05:50 -0700
                Re: Which scripting for embedded automation? "Alex McDonald" <blog@rivadpm.com> - 2015-08-12 18:02 +0100
                Re: Which scripting for embedded automation? Mark Wills <markwills1970@gmail.com> - 2015-08-12 05:51 -0700
                Re: Which scripting for embedded automation? mhx@iae.nl - 2015-08-12 10:18 -0700
                Re: Which scripting for embedded automation? mhx@iae.nl - 2015-08-13 10:37 -0700
                Re: Which scripting for embedded automation? anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2015-08-14 12:13 +0000
                Re: Which scripting for embedded automation? Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2015-08-14 21:30 +0200
                Re: Which scripting for embedded automation? hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2015-08-14 13:05 -0700
                Re: Which scripting for embedded automation? anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2015-08-15 16:57 +0000
                Re: Which scripting for embedded automation? Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2015-08-16 00:12 +0200
                Re: Which scripting for embedded automation? anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2015-08-16 09:44 +0000
                Re: Which scripting for embedded automation? Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2015-08-17 00:06 +0200
                Re: Which scripting for embedded automation? anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2015-08-18 09:13 +0000
                Re: Which scripting for embedded automation? hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2015-08-18 09:02 -0700
                Re: Which scripting for embedded automation? "Alex McDonald" <blog@rivadpm.com> - 2015-08-19 00:02 +0100
                Re: Which scripting for embedded automation? "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> - 2015-08-18 14:20 -1000
                Re: Which scripting for embedded automation? Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2015-08-19 03:12 +0200
                Re: Which scripting for embedded automation? mhx@iae.nl - 2015-08-14 13:09 -0700
                Re: Which scripting for embedded automation? hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2015-08-14 13:43 -0700
                Re: Which scripting for embedded automation? anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2015-08-15 17:10 +0000
                Re: Which scripting for embedded automation? hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2015-08-12 21:16 -0700
                Re: Which scripting for embedded automation? hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2015-08-12 21:31 -0700
                Re: Which scripting for embedded automation? hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2015-08-12 21:39 -0700
                Re: Which scripting for embedded automation? hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2015-08-13 13:43 -0700
                Re: Which scripting for embedded automation? "Alex McDonald" <blog@rivadpm.com> - 2015-08-13 10:55 +0100
                Re: Which scripting for embedded automation? hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2015-08-14 12:06 -0700
                Re: Which scripting for embedded automation? Alex McDonald <blog@rivadpm.com> - 2015-08-14 18:33 -0700
                Re: Which scripting for embedded automation? hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2015-08-15 19:33 -0700
                Re: Which scripting for embedded automation? hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2015-08-23 16:59 -0700
                Re: Which scripting for embedded automation? hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2015-08-13 15:52 -0700
                Re: Which scripting for embedded automation? anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2015-08-10 08:43 +0000
                Re: Which scripting for embedded automation? glidedog@gmail.com - 2015-07-27 06:04 -0700
                Re: Which scripting for embedded automation? Julian Fondren <ayrnieu@gmail.com> - 2015-07-26 13:49 -0700
                Re: Which scripting for embedded automation? "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> - 2015-07-26 14:56 -1000
                Re: Which scripting for embedded automation? rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2015-07-26 14:20 -0400
                Re: Which scripting for embedded automation? Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2015-07-26 17:29 -0700
                Re: Which scripting for embedded automation? "WJ" <w_a_x_man@yahoo.com> - 2015-08-10 22:52 +0000
                Re: Which scripting for embedded automation? "Rod Pemberton" <boo@fasdfrewar.cdm> - 2015-07-26 17:11 -0400
                Re: Which scripting for embedded automation? "Alex McDonald" <blog@rivadpm.com> - 2015-07-26 22:38 +0100
                Re: Which scripting for embedded automation? "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> - 2015-07-26 15:07 -1000
                Re: Which scripting for embedded automation? "Rod Pemberton" <boo@fasdfrewar.cdm> - 2015-07-26 21:26 -0400
                Re: Which scripting for embedded automation? "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> - 2015-07-26 16:49 -1000
                Re: Which scripting for embedded automation? "Rod Pemberton" <boo@fasdfrewar.cdm> - 2015-07-27 01:30 -0400
                Re: Which scripting for embedded automation? "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> - 2015-07-26 22:19 -1000
                Re: Which scripting for embedded automation? "Rod Pemberton" <boo@fasdfrewar.cdm> - 2015-07-27 19:31 -0400
                Re: Which scripting for embedded automation? Julian Fondren <julian.fondren@gmail.com> - 2015-07-27 16:44 -0700
                Re: Which scripting for embedded automation? "Rod Pemberton" <boo@fasdfrewar.cdm> - 2015-07-27 20:32 -0400
                Re: Which scripting for embedded automation? Bernd Linsel <bl1@gmx.com> - 2015-07-28 18:57 +0200
                Re: Which scripting for embedded automation? "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> - 2015-07-27 22:03 -1000
                Re: Which scripting for embedded automation? stephen@mpeforth.com (Stephen Pelc) - 2015-07-27 09:12 +0000
                Re: Which scripting for embedded automation? hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2015-07-27 11:02 -0700
                Re: Which scripting for embedded automation? rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2015-07-27 14:14 -0400
                Re: Which scripting for embedded automation? "Alex McDonald" <blog@rivadpm.com> - 2015-07-27 20:17 +0100
                Re: Which scripting for embedded automation? "Rod Pemberton" <boo@fasdfrewar.cdm> - 2015-07-27 19:33 -0400
                Re: Which scripting for embedded automation? "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> - 2015-07-27 22:05 -1000
                Re: Which scripting for embedded automation? "Alex McDonald" <blog@rivadpm.com> - 2015-07-28 12:47 +0100
                Re: Which scripting for embedded automation? "Rod Pemberton" <boo@fasdfrewar.cdm> - 2015-07-28 23:52 -0400
                Re: Which scripting for embedded automation? awegel@arcor.de (Alexander Wegel) - 2015-07-29 12:24 +0200
                Re: Which scripting for embedded automation? "Rod Pemberton" <boo@fasdfrewar.cdm> - 2015-07-27 19:32 -0400
                Re: Which scripting for embedded automation? Bernd Linsel <bl1@gmx.com> - 2015-07-28 19:22 +0200
                Re: Which scripting for embedded automation? Walter Banks <walter@bytecraft.com> - 2015-07-28 15:46 -0400
                Re: Which scripting for embedded automation? "Rod Pemberton" <boo@fasdfrewar.cdm> - 2015-07-28 23:47 -0400
                Re: Which scripting for embedded automation? anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2015-07-29 07:22 +0000
                Re: Which scripting for embedded automation? Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2015-07-29 00:48 -0700
                Re: Which scripting for embedded automation? anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2015-07-29 10:15 +0000
                Re: Which scripting for embedded automation? Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2015-07-31 11:34 -0700
                Re: Which scripting for embedded automation? anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2015-08-04 09:21 +0000
                Re: Which scripting for embedded automation? Walter Banks <walter@bytecraft.com> - 2015-07-29 13:27 -0400
                Re: Which scripting for embedded automation? "Rod Pemberton" <boo@fasdfrewar.cdm> - 2015-07-29 18:53 -0400
                Re: Which scripting for embedded automation? anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2015-07-30 12:40 +0000
                Re: Which scripting for embedded automation? "Rod Pemberton" <boo@fasdfrewar.cdm> - 2015-07-30 22:15 -0400
                Re: Which scripting for embedded automation? Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2015-07-30 21:51 -0700
                Re: Which scripting for embedded automation? anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2015-07-31 10:32 +0000
                Re: Which scripting for embedded automation? David Thompson <dave.thompson2@verizon.net> - 2015-08-16 02:31 -0400
                Re: Which scripting for embedded automation? anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2015-08-16 09:53 +0000
                Re: Which scripting for embedded automation? Bernd Linsel <bl1@gmx.com> - 2015-07-29 17:50 +0200
                Re: Which scripting for embedded automation? anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2015-07-30 13:14 +0000
                Re: Which scripting for embedded automation? anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2015-07-29 10:28 +0000
                Re: Which scripting for embedded automation? Bernd Linsel <bl1@gmx.com> - 2015-07-29 18:24 +0200
                Re: Which scripting for embedded automation? anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2015-07-29 17:09 +0000
                Re: Which scripting for embedded automation? Bernd Linsel <bl1@gmx.com> - 2015-07-30 02:01 +0200
                Re: Which scripting for embedded automation? hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2015-07-29 17:58 -0700
                Re: Which scripting for embedded automation? "Rod Pemberton" <boo@fasdfrewar.cdm> - 2015-07-30 21:26 -0400
                Re: Which scripting for embedded automation? Raimond Dragomir <raimond.dragomir@gmail.com> - 2015-07-31 00:06 -0700
                Re: Which scripting for embedded automation? Hannu Vuolasaho <vuokkosetae@gmail.com> - 2015-07-31 13:35 +0300
                Re: Which scripting for embedded automation? Mikael Nordman <oh2aun@gmail.com> - 2015-08-01 01:12 -0700
                Re: Which scripting for embedded automation? hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2015-07-31 15:05 -0700
                Re: Which scripting for embedded automation? anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2015-07-30 12:03 +0000
                Re: Which scripting for embedded automation? Matthias Koch <matthias.koch@hot.uni-hannover.de> - 2015-11-02 16:29 +0100
                Re: Which scripting for embedded automation? Matthias Koch <matthias.koch@hot.uni-hannover.de> - 2015-11-02 16:58 +0100
                Re: Which scripting for embedded automation? anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2015-11-02 15:43 +0000
                Re: Which scripting for embedded automation? Matthias Koch <matthias.koch@hot.uni-hannover.de> - 2015-11-02 18:24 +0100
                Re: Which scripting for embedded automation? Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2015-11-02 20:09 +0100
                Re: Which scripting for embedded automation? anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2015-11-03 12:07 +0000
                Re: Which scripting for embedded automation? Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2015-11-03 22:22 +0100
                Re: Which scripting for embedded automation? anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2015-11-04 09:47 +0000
                Re: Which scripting for embedded automation? Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2015-11-04 14:59 +0100
                Re: Which scripting for embedded automation? anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2015-11-04 14:13 +0000
                Re: Which scripting for embedded automation? Albert van der Horst <albert@spenarnc.xs4all.nl> - 2015-11-02 20:29 +0000
                Re: Which scripting for embedded automation? Matthias Koch <matthias.koch@hot.uni-hannover.de> - 2015-11-05 12:02 +0100
                Re: Which scripting for embedded automation? Matthias Koch <matthias.koch@hot.uni-hannover.de> - 2015-11-05 15:57 +0100
                Re: Which scripting for embedded automation? Walter Banks <walter@bytecraft.com> - 2015-07-28 15:32 -0400
                Re: Which scripting for embedded automation? hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2015-07-29 16:35 -0700
                Re: Which scripting for embedded automation? Walter Banks <walter@bytecraft.com> - 2015-08-01 22:50 -0400
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                Re: Which scripting for embedded automation? humptydumpty <ouatubi@gmail.com> - 2015-07-27 01:46 -0700
                Re: Which scripting for embedded automation? anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2015-07-27 07:54 +0000
                Re: Which scripting for embedded automation? humptydumpty <ouatubi@gmail.com> - 2015-07-27 22:42 -0700
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                Re: Which scripting for embedded automation? humptydumpty <ouatubi@gmail.com> - 2015-07-28 05:28 -0700
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                Re: Which scripting for embedded automation? humptydumpty <ouatubi@gmail.com> - 2015-07-28 05:49 -0700
                Re: Which scripting for embedded automation? rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2015-07-28 14:14 -0400
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