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Cecil Bayona <cbayona@cbayona.com> writes:
> I found several sources of documentation on eForth, enough to
> be dangerous maybe, but better than a sharp stick in the eye. I have
> several sources of documentation on eForth from C H Ting.

Bill Muench's site is down but you can probably find his eforth pages in
the wayback machine.  IIRC there was eforth itself, a metacompiler for
eforth, and a juiced-up version of eforth with more optimizations than
the stripped down version.  Ting's version was different in that it was
bootstrapped from x86 assembly code, which he felt was easier for Forth
newbies to understand.  Jeff Fox has some discussion of this idea on his
site someplace.  I found the original eforth code to be quite readable,
but it is a very minimal Forth that uses a lot of clever tricks to be
tiny.  

There is a C conversion here that is also simple:

 http://chiselapp.com/user/tehologist/repository/compc/home

Mostly I don't understand quite what you're trying to do.  Gforth is
reasonably fast and well documented, and it has plenty of creature
comforts (at least in the language implementation).  So I'd probably use
it if the target machine is powerful enough for it.  For smaller targets
there's lots of other choices such as FlashForth, Mecrisp, CamelForth,
etc. etc. in addition to eForth.  Plus of course there are the
commercial implementations, that have real compilers, good support,
etc., at the expense of actual $$$$.  And then there are variants like
oForth and 8th, that are more machine hungry than traditional Forth, but
that can make life easier in various ways.

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